Poll of the Day > 65% of Democrats support VACCINE PASSPORTS for Gyms, Restaurants and Theatres!!!

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Zeus 08/12/21 1:49:53 PM #51:	65% of Democrats support VACCINE PASSPORTS for Gyms, Restaurants and Theatres!!! I'm part of the 35% of Democrats with enough sense to be anti-fascist. These policies represent some very troubling trends, and very likely will be used as precedent for even more horrific legislation. While I understand that there are many Democrats -- and likely some Republicans -- who greet tyranny with thunderous applause, I'll never get behind that nonsense. helIy posted... so do you show your id when they ask you when buying alcohol or weed You're basically suggesting that you'd have to be drunk or stoned to go along with this, tbh. Otherwise it's probably your thinnest, most trollish justification in a very long time. adjl posted... It's requiring you to show evidence that you are qualified to access that service. There's no reasonable justification for "qualifying" people to enter a store. The best justification for somebody needing to be "qualified" to use a basic service involving food would be immigration status (because citizenship is literally a right to participate with a nation), and I know that you'd never in a million years support that policy, which makes your wholehearted support for this measure more than a little eyebrow raising. helIy posted... a vaccination record isn't private health information ...it literally is, considering that the health information isn't made available to the public. In fact, no facet of a person's health is generally just made available to the public. helIy posted... moreover, the same argument could be used for: your id shows your private residence, your birthday, your height, weight, eye color, ect. it shows far more personal private information than a card that says you have been vaccinated for x. Almost none of that is personal, private information. Addresses are a matter of public record, birth notices are a matter of public record, and your physical features can be seen by literally anybody who you'd hand your ID to. Do you know what they can't see and what isn't widely available? Your medical history. --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| There are precious few at ease / With moral ambiguities / So we act as though they don't exist. <cite>Zeus posted [p:957020266] in 65% of Dem... [t:79606891]...</cite> <quote><quote>65% of Democrats support VACCINE PASSPORTS for Gyms, Restaurants and Theatres!!!</quote> I'm part of the 35% of Democrats with enough sense to be anti-fascist. These policies represent some very troubling trends, and very likely will be used as precedent for even more horrific legislation. While I understand that there are many Democrats -- and likely some Republicans -- who greet tyranny with thunderous applause, I'll never get behind that nonsense. helIy posted... </cite> <quote>so do you show your id when they ask you when buying alcohol or weed</quote> You're basically suggesting that you'd have to be drunk or stoned to go along with this, tbh. Otherwise it's probably your thinnest, most trollish justification in a very long time. adjl posted... </cite> <quote>It's requiring you to show evidence that you are qualified to access that service.</quote> There's no reasonable justification for "qualifying" people to enter a store. The best justification for somebody needing to be "qualified" to use a basic service involving food would be immigration status (because citizenship is literally a right to participate with a nation), and I know that you'd never in a million years support that policy, which makes your wholehearted support for this measure more than a little eyebrow raising. helIy posted... </cite> <quote>a vaccination record isn't private health information</quote> ...it literally is, considering that the health information isn't made available to the public. In fact, no facet of a person's health is generally just made available to the public. helIy posted... </cite> <quote>moreover, the same argument could be used for: your id shows your private residence, your birthday, your height, weight, eye color, ect. it shows far more personal private information than a card that says you have been vaccinated for x.</quote> Almost none of that is personal, private information. Addresses are a matter of public record, birth notices are a matter of public record, and your physical features can be seen by literally anybody who you'd hand your ID to. Do you know what they can't see and what isn't widely available? Your medical history. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
helIy 08/12/21 1:56:30 PM #52:	Zeus posted... You're basically suggesting that you'd have to be drunk or stoned to go along with this, tbh. his username is weedandbeer you moron you know what, i'm just gonna block you again i'm tired of dealing with your dumbassery again --- but i'm not the villain, despite what you're always preaching call me a traitor, i'm just collecting your victims <cite>helIy posted [p:957020509] in 65% of Dem... [t:79606891]...</cite> <quote>Zeus posted... </cite> <quote>You're basically suggesting that you'd have to be drunk or stoned to go along with this, tbh.</quote>his username is weedandbeer you moron you know what, i'm just gonna block you again i'm tired of dealing with your dumbassery again </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mead 08/12/21 1:58:14 PM #53:	Does Zeus think you have to be drunk or stoned before they will let you buy beer or weed --- my resting temp can easily be in the 90's -Krazy_Kirby <cite>Mead posted [p:957020559] in 65% of Dem... [t:79606891]...</cite> <quote>Does Zeus think you have to be drunk or stoned before they will let you buy beer or weed </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Conner4REAL 08/12/21 2:13:04 PM #54:	Vaccine passport =/= restricted access based on vaccination status. all it does is create a more standardized and (probably) reliable Means for an individual to provide proof of vaccination status. for access and restrictions that should be up to the individual business owners no shirt no shoes no vaccine, no service. its the owners business they should chose how to operate without state interference. --- "I pet my dog I don't eat it" ~ Lemone <cite>Conner4REAL posted [p:957021036] in 65% of Dem... [t:79606891]...</cite> <quote>Vaccine passport =/= restricted access based on vaccination status. all it does is create a more standardized and (probably) reliable Means for an individual to provide proof of vaccination status. for access and restrictions that should be up to the individual business owners no shirt no shoes no vaccine, no service. its the owners business they should chose how to operate without state interference. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mead 08/12/21 2:26:44 PM #55:	Conner4REAL posted... its the owners business they should chose how to operate without state interference. no, freedom should go away if it hurts conservatives feelings that is called socialism and bernie sanders karl marx --- my resting temp can easily be in the 90's -Krazy_Kirby <cite>Mead posted [p:957021474] in 65% of Dem... [t:79606891]...</cite> <quote>Conner4REAL posted... </cite> <quote>its the owners business they should chose how to operate without state interference.</quote> no, freedom should go away if it hurts conservatives feelings that is called socialism and bernie sanders karl marx </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Clench281 08/12/21 2:48:20 PM #56:	Mead posted... Corned beef can be good but if I have a brisket Im gonna slow smoke it all day, not boil it lol Mmm smoked brisket is so good. Gimme them burnt ends --- Take me for what I am -- who I was meant to be. And if you give a damn, take me baby, or leave me. <cite>Clench281 posted [p:957022130] in 65% of Dem... [t:79606891]...</cite> <quote>Mead posted... </cite> <quote>Corned beef can be good but if I have a brisket Im gonna slow smoke it all day, not boil it lol</quote> Mmm smoked brisket is so good. Gimme them burnt ends </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SunWuKung420 08/12/21 4:24:22 PM #57:	adjl posted... If memory serves, he'd done a corned beef pizza for St Patrick's day. It did actually sound good, and his approach to it makes sense (as does using a brisket for it), but his insistence that he wasn't taking considerable liberties with the concept of "corned beef" was very much classic Sunny. Clearly, none of you have ever purchased commercial grade uncooked corned beef. It's no longer sold with salt corns. There is no reason for it. It's just a cut of brisket sold with a brining/seasoning kit. --- My theme song - https://youtu.be/uYjM-BuE3Cs <cite>SunWuKung420 posted [p:957024915] in 65% of Dem... [t:79606891]...</cite> <quote>adjl posted... </cite> <quote>If memory serves, he'd done a corned beef pizza for St Patrick's day. It did actually sound good, and his approach to it makes sense (as does using a brisket for it), but his insistence that he wasn't taking considerable liberties with the concept of "corned beef" was very much classic Sunny.</quote>Clearly, none of you have ever purchased commercial grade uncooked corned beef. It's no longer sold with salt corns. There is no reason for it. It's just a cut of brisket sold with a brining/seasoning kit. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Clench281 08/12/21 4:26:07 PM #58:	Clench281 posted... Mmm smoked brisket is so good. Gimme them burnt ends Also unlike most ppl I actually prefer the dry (lean) brisket more than the fatty pieces, the combo of texture works better with bbq sauce imo --- Take me for what I am -- who I was meant to be. And if you give a damn, take me baby, or leave me. <cite>Clench281 posted [p:957024978] in 65% of Dem... [t:79606891]...</cite> <quote>Clench281 posted... </cite> <quote>Mmm smoked brisket is so good. Gimme them burnt ends</quote> Also unlike most ppl I actually prefer the dry (lean) brisket more than the fatty pieces, the combo of texture works better with bbq sauce imo </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
helIy 08/12/21 4:30:37 PM #59:	Conner4REAL posted... its the owners business they should chose how to operate without state interference. ironically, that's exactly what conservatives fight for the ability for businesses to make their own rules but now that it's working against them, it's bad --- but i'm not the villain, despite what you're always preaching call me a traitor, i'm just collecting your victims <cite>helIy posted [p:957025120] in 65% of Dem... [t:79606891]...</cite> <quote>Conner4REAL posted... </cite> <quote>its the owners business they should chose how to operate without state interference.</quote>ironically, that's exactly what conservatives fight for the ability for businesses to make their own rules but now that it's working against them, it's bad </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
helIy 08/12/21 4:31:39 PM #60:	SunWuKung420 posted... It's just a cut of brisket sold with a brining/seasoning kit. yes it's sold with salt corns. because that's what corned beef is. --- but i'm not the villain, despite what you're always preaching call me a traitor, i'm just collecting your victims <cite>helIy posted [p:957025151] in 65% of Dem... [t:79606891]...</cite> <quote>SunWuKung420 posted... </cite> <quote>It's just a cut of brisket sold with a brining/seasoning kit.</quote>yes it's sold with salt corns. because that's what corned beef is. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Clench281 08/12/21 4:34:23 PM #61:	helIy posted... ironically, that's exactly what conservatives fight for the ability for businesses to make their own rules but now that it's working against them, it's bad because it never really is or was about "small government" or localities making their own rules. That's just the disingenuous facade for the real goal, which is maintaining the status quo. --- Take me for what I am -- who I was meant to be. And if you give a damn, take me baby, or leave me. <cite>Clench281 posted [p:957025235] in 65% of Dem... [t:79606891]...</cite> <quote>helIy posted... </cite> <quote>ironically, that's exactly what conservatives fight for the ability for businesses to make their own rules but now that it's working against them, it's bad</quote> because it never really is or was about "small government" or localities making their own rules. That's just the disingenuous facade for the real goal, which is maintaining the status quo. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
helIy 08/12/21 4:36:11 PM #62:	and also because it's usually select businesses discriminating on minorities --- but i'm not the villain, despite what you're always preaching call me a traitor, i'm just collecting your victims <cite>helIy posted [p:957025300] in 65% of Dem... [t:79606891]...</cite> <quote>and also because it's usually select businesses discriminating on minorities </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SunWuKung420 08/12/21 4:42:26 PM #63:	helIy posted... yes it's sold with salt corns. because that's what corned beef is. You still love being wrong. Just because you read it on wikipaedia. --- My theme song - https://youtu.be/uYjM-BuE3Cs <cite>SunWuKung420 posted [p:957025507] in 65% of Dem... [t:79606891]...</cite> <quote>helIy posted... </cite> <quote>yes it's sold with salt corns. because that's what corned beef is.</quote>You still love being wrong. Just because you read it on wikipaedia. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
adjl 08/12/21 5:28:45 PM #64:	Zeus posted... There's no reasonable justification for "qualifying" people to enter a store. There's a goddamn pandemic, and a whole bunch of people have chosen not to participate in fixing the problem. If there's ever going to be reasonable justification to qualify people to enter stores, this is it. Zeus posted... The best justification for somebody needing to be "qualified" to use a basic service involving food would be immigration status And now we're using public health measures as precedent for outright racism/xenophobia. I must say that I actually didn't see that coming. Congratulations, you've found a rare opportunity to out-Zeus yourself. Conner4REAL posted... Vaccine passport =/= restricted access based on vaccination status. all it does is create a more standardized and (probably) reliable Means for an individual to provide proof of vaccination status. for access and restrictions that should be up to the individual business owners no shirt no shoes no vaccine, no service. its the owners business they should chose how to operate without state interference. As nice an idea as that is, it's pretty useless as an infection control strategy. Individual businesses tend to have their own success as a priority, not public health. Realistically, any business that does demand masks and/or vaccines when their competitors do not is going to suffer quite significantly. We've already seen this with the relaxation of mask mandates: Very few individual businesses kept them up once others decided that "the 30% of the population that's fully vaccinated doesn't need masks" meant "nobody needs masks." Without a uniform mandate, any business that does try to contribute to overcoming this pandemic is going to be at a considerable disadvantage compared to those that don't. Mandates level the playing field and ensure that measures are actually taken, which is the only way to actually fix the problem. That's very much at odds with the ideal of giving people freedom to operate as they wish, but that's always come with the caveat of "provided they don't hurt anyone," and in a pandemic situation, operating against public health recommendations hurts people. There is, unfortunately, no way around that. --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts. <cite>adjl posted [p:957026991] in 65% of Dem... [t:79606891]...</cite> <quote>Zeus posted... </cite> <quote>There's no reasonable justification for "qualifying" people to enter a store.</quote> There's a goddamn pandemic, and a whole bunch of people have chosen not to participate in fixing the problem. If there's ever going to be reasonable justification to qualify people to enter stores, this is it. Zeus posted... </cite> <quote>The best justification for somebody needing to be "qualified" to use a basic service involving food would be immigration status</quote> And now we're using public health measures as precedent for outright racism/xenophobia. I must say that I actually didn't see that coming. Congratulations, you've found a rare opportunity to out-Zeus yourself. Conner4REAL posted... </cite> <quote>Vaccine passport =/= restricted access based on vaccination status. all it does is create a more standardized and (probably) reliable Means for an individual to provide proof of vaccination status. for access and restrictions that should be up to the individual business owners no shirt no shoes no vaccine, no service. its the owners business they should chose how to operate without state interference.</quote> As nice an idea as that is, it's pretty useless as an infection control strategy. Individual businesses tend to have their own success as a priority, not public health. Realistically, any business that does demand masks and/or vaccines when their competitors do not is going to suffer quite significantly. We've already seen this with the relaxation of mask mandates: Very few individual businesses kept them up once others decided that "the 30% of the population that's fully vaccinated doesn't need masks" meant "nobody needs masks." Without a uniform mandate, any business that does try to contribute to overcoming this pandemic is going to be at a considerable disadvantage compared to those that don't. Mandates level the playing field and ensure that measures are actually taken, which is the only way to actually fix the problem. That's very much at odds with the ideal of giving people freedom to operate as they wish, but that's always come with the caveat of "provided they don't hurt anyone," and in a pandemic situation, operating against public health recommendations hurts people. There is, unfortunately, no way around that. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
helIy 08/12/21 5:36:17 PM #65:	ive made it before you dumbass --- my delusion is better than facing the truth about me <cite>helIy posted [p:957027215] in 65% of Dem... [t:79606891]...</cite> <quote>ive made it before you dumbass </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
blu 08/12/21 5:40:01 PM #66:	helIy posted... a vaccination record isn't private health information Its definitely PHI covered by HIPAA <cite>blu posted [p:957027320] in 65% of Dem... [t:79606891]...</cite> <quote>helIy posted... </cite> <quote>a vaccination record isn't private health information</quote> Its definitely PHI covered by HIPAA </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
adjl 08/12/21 7:59:10 PM #67:	blu posted... Its definitely PHI covered by HIPAA It is, but requesting it does not violate HIPAA, nor is it sensitive enough information that one should feel hesitant to tell somebody they're vaccinated, if asked. --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts. <cite>adjl posted [p:957031232] in 65% of Dem... [t:79606891]...</cite> <quote>blu posted... </cite> <quote>Its definitely PHI covered by HIPAA</quote> It is, but requesting it does not violate HIPAA, nor is it sensitive enough information that one should feel hesitant to tell somebody they're vaccinated, if asked. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Arcturusisnow 08/12/21 11:07:15 PM #68:	BEERandWEED posted... Umm, requiring papers isn't better. 1/6 what? Oh, he blocked me for disagreeing. Is mead another "woke" snowflake? I've barely interacted with the person. Oh another dumbass. I guess you believe that the people that assaulted the capital in an act of insurrection were guilty of nothing and are quite nice people once you get to know them. <cite>Arcturusisnow posted [p:957036429] in 65% of Dem... [t:79606891]...</cite> <quote>BEERandWEED posted... </cite> <quote>Umm, requiring papers isn't better. 1/6 what? Oh, he blocked me for disagreeing. Is mead another "woke" snowflake? I've barely interacted with the person.</quote>Oh another dumbass. I guess you believe that the people that assaulted the capital in an act of insurrection were guilty of nothing and are quite nice people once you get to know them. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Arcturusisnow 08/12/21 11:12:30 PM #69:	SunWuKung420 posted... The fact you keep calling it "murder" shows how entrenched in a false rhetoric you truly are. Even vaccinated people can still transmit covid. Lol And transmitting it to another vaccinated means jack and shit. If you are unvaccinated then it is your own stupid fault. The vaccine is fucking FREE! How stupid do you have to be to say no to something with absolutely no cost and only benefits whatsoever? <cite>Arcturusisnow posted [p:957036539] in 65% of Dem... [t:79606891]...</cite> <quote>SunWuKung420 posted... </cite> <quote>The fact you keep calling it "murder" shows how entrenched in a false rhetoric you truly are. Even vaccinated people can still transmit covid. Lol</quote>And transmitting it to another vaccinated means jack and shit. If you are unvaccinated then it is your own stupid fault. The vaccine is fucking FREE! How stupid do you have to be to say no to something with absolutely no cost and only benefits whatsoever? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BEERandWEED 08/12/21 11:14:14 PM #70:	Who is arcturusisnow? Weird attack. Mead? <cite>BEERandWEED posted [p:957036581] in 65% of Dem... [t:79606891]...</cite> <quote>Who is arcturusisnow? Weird attack. Mead? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Arcturusisnow 08/12/21 11:14:31 PM #71:	SunWuKung420 posted... All of those willing to give up rights for the illusion of safety is sad. And all of those that quote stupid sayings that don't amount to hill of beans in this context deserve to be locked up for eternity with their brethren. <cite>Arcturusisnow posted [p:957036592] in 65% of Dem... [t:79606891]...</cite> <quote>SunWuKung420 posted... </cite> <quote>All of those willing to give up rights for the illusion of safety is sad.</quote>And all of those that quote stupid sayings that don't amount to hill of beans in this context deserve to be locked up for eternity with their brethren. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Poll of the Day > 65% of Democrats support VACCINE PASSPORTS for Gyms, Restaurants and Theatres!!! (+) Yeah! (+)

Poll of the Day > 65% of Democrats support VACCINE PASSPORTS for Gyms, Restaurants and Theatres!!!