Poll of the Day > California soon to have no more bacon due to people voting with their feelings.

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https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/food/2021/08/01/california-bacon-ban-state-enforce-animal-welfare-proposition/5447260001/

This is hilarious to me because its a prime example of people from a certain political party not educating themselves on what they are actually voting on and its consequences and instead basing their decisions on knee jerk emotional responses. Hope everyone in California enjoys not having any bacon or paying more than double what it currently costs starting next year.

tbh, these laws effectively subsidize big businesses by effectively removing competition from smaller farms.

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And since California probably exports a ton of pork currently and won't soon.... congrats, the McRib no longer exists

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Lokarin posted...

And since California probably exports a ton of pork currently and won't soon.... congrats, the McRib no longer exists

lolwut? If you bothered to read the article, you'd know they consume far more than they produce. Their local production meets maybe a fifth of their demand (actually, I think I need to re-read it myself to see if their local production upgraded already, because that might be an added issue)

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Zeus posted...

lolwut? If you bothered to read the article, you'd know they consume far more than they produce. Their local production meets maybe a fifth of their demand (actually, I think I need to re-read it myself to see if their local production upgraded already, because that might be an added issue)

And the McRib isn't "meat".

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California being California

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reason posted...

And the McRib isn't "meat".

So it's all soy?
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That's some good looking bacon.

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never going to ban bacon
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Revelation34 posted...

So it's all soy?

For people who don't know, the McRib is basically a pork version of a chicken mcnugget

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Revelation34 posted...

So it's all soy?

Think smaller, and more legs.

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Lokarin posted...

For people who don't know, the McRib is basically a pork version of a chicken mcnugget

It's a delicious way to minimize food waste?

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ya totally legit and def not a sensationalist clickbait headline

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Lokarin posted...

For people who don't know, the McRib is basically a pork version of a chicken mcnugget

So, meat.

If it's not practical to raise pigs humanely, should we have bacon?

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Is it premature to say that this is the cause of the $4.88 price tag on the $2.86 bacon I usually buy that I saw last week? :(

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Direct democracy is a mistake.

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adjl posted...

If it's not practical to raise pigs humanely, should we have bacon?

Yeah, what's the problem here? California didn't ban bacon. Corporations refused to be responsible.

But conservatives are dishonest.

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Lokarin posted...

For people who don't know, the McRib is basically a pork version of a chicken mcnugget

I was being sarcastic. By definition it's meat.

adjl posted...

If it's not practical to raise pigs humanely, should we have bacon?

Yes.
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Article is misleading af but yeah if pig farms cant meet guidelines chosen by the public then yeah they should close down rather than put a bunch of animals through unnecessary abuse and destroying the environment in the process

Bacon is okay sometimes but honestly half the time its so freaking salty that you cant taste anything else. Even if it went away entirely which it obviously isnt going to in the state, I wouldnt really miss it.

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Revelation34 posted...

Yes.

Why?

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do u believe everything you read in headlines lmao. this is blatant fake news. i wish it was true tho, meat is horrible

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Side note: How is voting on the basis of "I want higher standards for animal welfare" any more an example of "voting with their feelings" than voting on the basis of "I like bacon"?

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adjl posted...

Side note: How is voting on the basis of "I want higher standards for animal welfare" any more an example of "voting with their feelings" than voting on the basis of "I like bacon"?

I'm confused because isn't every vote based on your feelings..? You are voting for what the rules of your society should be. Those decisions are based on you weighing the importance of perceived value.

Which is just a more verbose way of saying "voting with your feelings."

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Ban all bacon.

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Reminder that pigs are far more intelligent than dogs.

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Clench281 posted...

I'm confused because isn't every vote based on your feelings..? You are voting for what the rules of your society should be. Those decisions are based on you weighing the importance of perceived value.

Which is just a more verbose way of saying "voting with your feelings."

You gotta remember that many men who ascribe to the values of Shapiros and Petersons are devoid of any emotion and only make decisions based on logic and factual information.

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Clench281 posted...

I'm confused because isn't every vote based on your feelings..? You are voting for what the rules of your society should be. Those decisions are based on you weighing the importance of perceived value.

Which is just a more verbose way of saying "voting with your feelings."

Which means "voting with your feelings" is just a dog-whistle for "voting for something I don't want," in a transparent effort to pretend that people that disagree with TC haven't put any thought or consideration into their positions?

On a scale from 1 to HOLY CRAP, I am at least a 4 right now.

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People who bitch about voting with your feelings are exactly the same people who support police in the face of overwhelming evidence that they don't do shit to stop crime.

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https://www.reddit.com/r/wallstreetbets/comments/ow5nx0/once_in_a_lifetime_hog_future_opportunity_in/
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op are you alright you seem really angry about stuff you dont understand a lot lol

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adjl posted...

If it's not practical to raise pigs humanely, should we have bacon?

Im going to say yes because its delicious

Mead posted...

Even if it went away entirely which it obviously isnt going to in the state, I wouldnt really miss it.

I would. I eat it most days. Sometimes, more than once a day Breakfast could be ruined. And some of the different cheeseburgers I get. Subs, too
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LinkPizza posted...

Im going to say yes because its delicious

I would. I eat it most days. Sometimes, more than once a day Breakfast could be ruined. And some of the different cheeseburgers I get. Subs, too

Now your comments about how impossibly difficult it is to get sub-15% body fat are making more sense

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Clench281 posted...

Now your comments about how impossibly difficult it is to get sub-15% body fat are making more sense

I never said it was impossible. I said it was bad Which it is

And it was 10%, IIRC But 15% isnt that good, either
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Sounds to me like the people who voted for it don't want there to be pork in their state if getting it means putting animals in horrific conditions. In which case, they got exactly what they wanted.

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Meh, I don't care if you hang the pigs from the ceiling if it makes my pork cheaper.

Yeah I'm selfish but everything in this life costs too much already. An 800 square foot house shouldn't cost $140,000. Finding affordable housing right now is ridiculous and anything I can find is in the ghetto.

Glad this is just California one more thing to drive up the cost of living over there LOL

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deoxxys posted...

Meh, I don't care if you hang the pigs from the ceiling if it makes my pork cheaper.

Yeah I'm selfish but everything in this life costs too much already. An 800 square foot house shouldn't cost $140,000. Finding affordable housing right now is ridiculous and anything I can find is in the ghetto.

Glad this is just California one more thing to drive up the cost of living over there LOL

California is expensive because rich assholes have bought up all the housing and then made it illegal to build more. In other words: selfishness.

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adjl posted...

If it's not practical to raise pigs humanely, should we have bacon?

yes
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I mean... the people overwhelmingly wanted pigs raised in more humane conditions and they're going to get pigs raised in more humane conditions.

What's the problem here?

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Lokarin posted...

the McRib no longer exists

Then these truly are the darkest of days

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It's real easy to support an effort when it doesn't affect you.

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darkknight109 posted...

I mean... the people overwhelmingly wanted pigs raised in more humane conditions and they're going to get pigs raised in more humane conditions.

What's the problem here?

people like TC are against democracy

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It still sucks if the price raises for the people who voted against it
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LinkPizza posted...

It still sucks if the price raises for the people who voted against it

yeah that does suck, but thats just how things go sometimes

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darkknight109 posted...

I mean... the people overwhelmingly wanted pigs raised in more humane conditions and they're going to get pigs raised in more humane conditions.

What's the problem here?

No they're not. If it costs too much to upgrade then they'll just export it elsewhere.
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Revelation34 posted...

No they're not. If it costs too much to upgrade then they'll just export it elsewhere.

California is responsible for 15% of all pork consumption in the entire US, which is actually higher than their share of the population.

Pork producers are not going to ignore a market of that size and even if they were, nowhere else is going to suddenly increase their pork consumption by enough to offset the difference - just carving out California from the pork market would result in a glut of supply, price drops, and herds being culled as producers are suddenly unable to find buyers for their hogs. So yes, they will upgrade; it will take time to do so and they will pass on the costs to consumers, but none of that is unexpected or untenable.

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darkknight109 posted...

California is responsible for 15% of all pork consumption in the entire US, which is actually higher than their share of the population.

Pork producers are not going to ignore a market of that size and even if they were, nowhere else is going to suddenly increase their pork consumption by enough to offset the difference - just carving out California from the pork market would result in a glut of supply, price drops, and herds being culled as producers are suddenly unable to find buyers for their hogs. So yes, they will upgrade; it will take time to do so and they will pass on the costs to consumers, but none of that is unexpected or untenable.

https://apnews.com/article/lifestyle-business-health-california-coronavirus-pandemic-5ebe70407fcd94ef712c16410f32c4b1

"In Iowa, which raises about one-third of the nations hogs, farmer Dwight Mogler estimates the changes would cost him $3 million and allow room for 250 pigs in a space that now holds 300."
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$3 million is a rounding error to a lot of those pig farmers

the people have spoken

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Revelation34 posted...

https://apnews.com/article/lifestyle-business-health-california-coronavirus-pandemic-5ebe70407fcd94ef712c16410f32c4b1

"In Iowa, which raises about one-third of the nations hogs, farmer Dwight Mogler estimates the changes would cost him $3 million and allow room for 250 pigs in a space that now holds 300."

Which, in turn, means the price of pork products can be expected to increase by ~20% to compensate for the lost production capacity. That's enough to cut down on the amount people are going to be buying, certainly, but it's hardly "California has no more bacon," and it's not such a prohibitive loss as to warrant cutting out California's market entirely.

The fact that so few pig farmers have hit the targets is less a matter of those targets being unattainable and more a matter of them deciding it was hard and hoping the law would be changed before coming into effect.

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