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StifledSilence posted...

Now here's a caricature of a film snob if I've ever seen one.

If your major reference point is a director jerking himself off for two hours with bright seizure colors, National Geographic homages, obnoxious beeping, dumb spooky music, multiple plays of the Blue Danube, slow moving EVERYTHING, and total nonsense that only the most up-their-own-ass types think evokes a deep, thoughtful message, then I will happily accept any and all condescension you have to offer.

tbh from that "review" it sounds like you just don't enjoy cinema...

your favorite movies are probably for the most part safe, digestible movies with lots of exposition and hand-holding to explain the plot and character motivations instead of using visuals to express ideas or feelings. there is no space in your heart for ambiguity. if a scene doesn't propel the plot forward or have some dramatic peak you get easily bored. you can't just watch extraneous stuff that adds to the world or characters. you can't even enjoy seeing henry fonda clodhopping out on the dance floor.

i feel bad for you.

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Zithers posted...

there is nothing wrong with 2001 tbh, definitely in contention for greatest movie ever made

caught a 70mm print of it as my first movie back in the theaters, pretty transporting

Yeah, 2001 is incredible and a textbook example of how a film expresses story, information, and themes visually. And when compared to the book it's easy to see everything film can do that just the written word can't.


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i mean ultimately you can bitch as much as you want but you didnt submit a ranking

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StifledSilence posted...

Now here's a caricature of a film snob if I've ever seen one.

If your major reference point is a director jerking himself off for two hours with bright seizure colors, National Geographic homages, obnoxious beeping, dumb spooky music, multiple plays of the Blue Danube, slow moving EVERYTHING, and total nonsense that only the most up-their-own-ass types think evokes a deep, thoughtful message, then I will happily accept any and all condescension you have to offer.

Honestly the only reason 2001 isn't a top 5 movie for me is you could probably shave off up to 20 minutes from the film.

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Zithers posted...

tbh from that "review" it sounds like you just don't enjoy 2001: A Space Odyssey...

Correct.
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Went to my aunts funeral today. Dunno if Im feeling up to doing one today. Definitely will be back tomorrow.
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Sorry for your loss, man.

B8's collective terrible opinions can always wait.

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Sorry for your loss Stifled, take it easy.

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Yikes. Sorry Stifled.

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Thank you, everyone. Yesterday was pretty rough. But today I have returned feeling much better as we say goodbye to my #30.

#24. High Noon 143 points

Inviso 6
KBM 7
Johnbobb 18
CoolCly 26
Pokewars 26
Karo - 30
Stifled 30

Very poor plot synopsis:
Dude ruins his wedding day by killing a bunch of outlaws in order to protect a town full of ungrateful turds.

Why it was included:
Similar to The Searchers earlier in the list, High Noon is a highly regarded western. It will make many, if not all critic lists for best western films. Even the title itself is often used to describe duels and showdowns in regard to the wild west or media about it. Its a well known example of the classic veteran cop/sheriff/federal agent/etc is about to retire, but is dragged back into the fold for one more mission tale. Think about how many of your favorite action heroes have used this trope over the years. High Noon was a big inspiration to all of those and deserves a spot on this list. Additionally, if you like Die Hard, this was the movie John and Hans were having a chat about in regards to who Grace Kelly rides off into the sunset with. That was Gary Cooper, asshole.

What Stifled thinks:
As iconic as this film is, however, High Noon was an easy last place for me. Wild Wild West is a fucking train wreck (literally, in fact!) and Shane has one of the most annoying characters in any movie Ive ever seen, but both of those movies were interesting and even enjoyable in a lot of ways. In fact, I would gladly watch the other 29 movies on this list again at some point, but I would only rewatch High Noon begrudgingly. It does the one thing I find to be absolutely criminal in a movie: it was relentlessly boring. Its a double shame because I actually really liked the setup at the beginning. The villains are presented as the baddest motherfuckers around and this poor shmuck that just got married comes out of retirement because he feels he is the only one that can defeat them. Thats really cool! And with the short runtime I thought for sure this would be a fucking barn burner (literally, in fact!).

But my goshmost of this flick is filled with extremely slow-paced downtime and unlikeable characters. The entire town is selfish, cowardly scum. This isnt a new thing either, most western film townspeople are like that. But this group isnt even interesting. Im struggling to remember ANYONE outside of the annoying deputy and Kanes ex-girlfriend. The snails pace at which Kane tries to assemble a posse takes any urgency out of the villains eventual arrival. It plays out like he has an eternity to waste even though he doesnt. This is unfortunate because it erases all of the anticipation the beginning of the film built up. The eventual end battle actually is pretty great, but even that doesnt elevate High Noon over the other films on this list because they too have great action sequences. High Noon ended up being a huge disappointment for me, which is a damn shame. If it had a middle to match the beginning and the end, it would have easily lived up to its reputation in my eyes.
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Inviso: This was a fascinating character story, using time as a means of amping up the tension as the movie goes on. A small-town marshal is literally getting ready to leave with his new bride, when word comes down that a criminal, who he put away is out on a pardon, and is likely looking to get revenge. The marshal only has until noon to get ready to take on a whole gang, and you just know youre in for an explosive final showdown. Throughout the film, the marshal (who is beloved and respected, mind you), is trying to gather a posse to help even the odds against the gang, but hes shut down at every turn. Its a portrait of bravery that the marshal is the only man (aside from a 14-year-old boy) willing to stand against the gang, as all others find reasons to hide, or avoid responsibility. Meanwhile, youve got minor character stories like that of the arrogant deputy, the marshals new bride and his old flame. It all ends well for the marshal, as he takes out the gang with help from only his pacifist wife, and that final shot of him abandoning his badge with disdain for the towns cowardice is just powerful. Its a great ending, knowing that town is going to have to deal with the fallout of their fear.

KBM: Gary Cooper goes around trying to assemble a team... and fails. Then he has to do everything himself. The result is one of the most gripping, tense climaxes on a list full of solid climaxes, as the clock slowly ticks to noon. The editing in that sequence alone is just stunning as it is in the whole film, but particularly in that third act. It's not easy to pull off the story in real time thing (see: the bad seasons of 24 for further details), but when you DO pull it off, it's a thing of beauty (see: the good seasons of 24). This pulls it off, and THEN some.

Johnbobb: "*copied from a paper I did for ""Film and American Society"" in college*

Ill be the first to admit that Ive never been a big fan of westerns. I can appreciate the exploration of racism in The Searchers or the thematic backdrop of No Country for Old Men, but they typically dont tend to be the types of films I flock to, and I cant say that High Noon is really the exception. The film has some deeper themes that can be interesting to examine, even if the film itself isnt thrilling.

The film released around the time of the Red Scare, when screenwriter Carl Foreman was accused of being a Communist. High Noon was meant to be the response of Foreman and director Fred Zinneman to McCarthyism. The film revolves around ex-marshal Will Kane as he tries to gather together a group to take down Frank Miller, a notable outlaw that Will Kane put away, and his gang as they ride to town. However, nobody in the town is willing to help them (despite the fact that all the men in the town could easily take down Franks four men) because theyre all afraid to take a chance getting themselves hurt or in danger. This is largely similar to the state of Hollywood during McCarthyism, with few being willing to step up against Communist accusers out of fear of being accused themselves. Foreman explained, I used a western background to tell the story of a community corrupted by fear, with the implications I hoped would be obvious to almost everyone who saw the film, at least in America.

A few things held High Noon back. There are only two female characters in the film: the pure, white Quaker woman and the more fiery, exotic Hispanic woman. Grace Kellys character especially didnt really set any new standards. However, at the time, viewers were more concerned with the films surprising lack of other western tropes, such as horse chases, wide, open scenery and more aggressive gunfights. "

CoolCly: I respect premise of this movie. A man who has everything to live for by walking away feels he has to come back for one last showdown or else hell feel like he walked away from everything he stands for. But he comes to find that in the town hes doing this for, nobody else is willing to stand with him. He has to stand alone.
One of my favourite parts is the guy whos totally willing and able and signs up at the start, but at the end when he finds out theres nobody else, he plays the whoa whoa this isnt what I signed up for card. A fair weather ally, to be sure, but his position is pretty understandable.

I didnt enjoy watching this movie much though. I didnt think the lead actor was that engaging, and since we are watching him run down the real time clock to noon, that hurts things a lot. Ryan Gosling as the deputy was a bit of a miss. I like the idea that he doesnt have the selflessness and courage to be the marshall, which is why Will wont recommend him for the position. If you dont know why, then I cant explain it to you. This is echoed by his girlfriend (who I liked a lot), who thinks hes pathetic for not standing by Will in this hour of need. She also thinks that if he doesnt understand why she thinks less of him for this, then she cant explain it to him. Theres something here that I like, but the fact that nobody actually even *tries* to explain this to Ryan Gosling feels a bit empty, and his fist fight in the stables with Will didnt feel like it resolved anything for me.

The showdown at the end was pretty lackluster. Every single time McCree has ever uttered the words High Noon resulted in a cooler action sequence than this did. Big miss here, when the entire movie is building up to this show downI have heard that the film received a lot of criticism for the wife saving Will from one of the gunmen by shooting him herself, as if that makes him less of a man. That makes me respect this film more those critics were dumb as hell.

Overall, this is a good premise, and I respect it for some things, but I wouldnt recommend this movie to anybody except for if they are doing a deep dive into old movies / westerns.

3.5/10

Poke: A very slow film, building up to the showdown at the allotted time, but then the climax fizzled out on us. And a lot of it didnt even make sense. All he has to do is leave the town and avoid others getting involved in what is solely about him. But sure, endanger the rest of the town.

Karo: So theres this marshal who is retiring due to getting married, except that an outlaw who he put behind bars just got out of prison, so this pretentious asshole runs off and leaves his new wife in order to go kick some ass because his masculinity felt threatened.
Let me get this straight, no matter how the story tries to portray it a such this has nothing to do with 'doing the right thing', the town doesnt even WANT the marshal back. The outlaw is only going to cause a scene in the town BECAUSE of the marshal. All he had to do was go away for the town to live happily ever after.
As for the marshal's new wife, she just is pretty much subhuman in the eyes of both her husband and the writers. Her feelings do not matter, her religious beliefs do not matter, cause oh no she's a bad wife because she doesnt do everything Marshal McDouchenozzle asks without question. So this all leads to her having to murder someone thereby violating the most sacred tenets of her Quakerism, and all is now right with the world because her husband got to have his little testosterone-infused gunfight and they ride off into the sunset apparently still in love for some reason. Jesus fucking christ.
I know that there will always be some sexism in the portrayal of the dated gender roles of the era, but this is like a movie adaptation of the Proud Boys creed.
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OUTLIER

Poke 77
CoolCly 52
Inviso 48
KBM 44
Johnbobb 32
Karo 24
Stifled 16

Inviso and KBM roll into town to get revenge on Poke. The townspeople Johnbobb, Karo, and Stifled all abandon Poke in his time of need, but Pokes new bride CoolCly manages to save him at the end. They ride off into the outlier sunset together.
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Very much boo. You guys just can't appreciate the beautiful cinematography of the film.

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I don't love High Noon but it's definitely a classic I didn't expect to see drop already

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Johnbobb killing it with the write-ups this project.

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do you guys have letterboxd

if so please post

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#23. El Mariachi 142 points

KBM 12
Stifled 16
Inviso - 18
Johnbobb 19
Karo 22
CoolCly 27
Pokewars 28

Very poor plot synopsis:
The misadventures of a guy that carries around a guitar that somehow isnt a white, 22 year old college student starting a band. Also guns. Lots of guns.

Why it was included:
Around ten years ago, I saw the Mariachi Trilogy for the first time. You wont find these three films make any greatest westerns of all time lists, but I feel like these movies have two things in spades. Firstly, plenty of heart. El Mariachi was made on the tiniest of film budgets, but it was clearly a passion project for Robert Rodriguez. Like the film or not, you can certainly feel that as you watch. Secondly, the three movies are westerns where Hispanic characters are the focus and not a joke. The first in particular is the least Americanized of the bunch, outside of the dubbing. As I watched these with my mother, grandmother, and grandfather, it was clear to me that they were unlike any westerns I had ever seen. The sheer variety secured their inclusion on the list.

What Stifled thinks:
I dont think its too much of a spoiler to say I adore this trilogy of movies. The first differs from the other two in the presentation of the hero. Before we shift over to BADASS ANTONIO, our hero is presented as a fellow that is in over his head. Dude just wants to be a mariachi, get paid, and get laid. Never in his wildest dreams did he imagine hed be taking on organized crime over a misunderstanding. His guitar case with a guitar accidentally gets swapped out for a guitar case full of GUNZ. Its incredibly simple and executed so well. This could honestly be a superhero movie setup with how its presented. If Peter Parker was gifted a guitar case full of guns instead of radioactive spider powers, it would be comparable to this. The tragic ending is more brutal than you might expect, but it builds up the next entry in the series so well. If I had to nitpick about something, Id say Mariachi took the saying get gud scrub to heart a bit too much. Dude was a really good shot almost immediately. But then again, we dont watch these kinds of movies for realism now do we?
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KBM: Of all the movies on this list, El Mariachi is the one that feels the least fair to rank alongside 3-hour Sergio Leone Spaghetti Western epics and other bona fide classics of the genre. At a mere 81 minutes and shot on a budget of $7,000 (a Guinness record holder for being the least expensive movie ever to gross over $1m at the box office!), it's in an entirely different category of film than the rest of these. That all being said, given the limitations Robert Rodriguez was working under, this movie is kind of a triumph. It's a very intelligently-made movie framed almost like a professional production, and surprisingly well-acted for what it is. It's honestly kind of a shame that Carlos Gallardo didn't continue playing the eponymous mariachi, as he's basically the perfect everyman here (though I love Antonio Banderas, so it's not like it was a problem either). He really does sell being just a guy who accidentally stumbles into the crazy drug war stuff. This is even one of those rare occasions where I feel like voice-over narration actually adds to a movie, as it grants us a lot of insight into his character, motivations, and family history. (Also, free coconuts!)

Inviso: Much like I did during the Kung Fu list, Ive gotta give credit to a movie that comes across as SO bad and SO cheaply made that it loops back around to being hilarious, even if that hilarity is unintentional. The actors were so BAD at acting, and there were these bizarre editing choices that randomly turned into fast forwarded comedy bits. Even the plot itself was bizarrely nonsensical. It all kicks off with a guy getting a phone call in jail, because despite being in jail, hes still able to run a business, complete with a desk and telephone. It turns out the guys old partner is trying to have him killed, and even sends hired goons to do it. But apparently, the prisoner can freely leave his cell whenever he wants? Anyway, the prisoner decides to exact revenge, and does so by means of a guitar case filled with weapons. Naturally, this gets him mixed up with an actual mariachi player, whos hunted in the prisoners stead. All of this is complete nonsense, and were the film competently made, I dont think I would have enjoyed the inanity of the plot as much as I did. So bravo in that regard.

Johnbobb: I accidentally watched this after Desperado because I didn't realize they were part of the same trilogy (in no small part due to the different main actor) but I was pleasantly surprised to see much better characterization for the titular hero than he received in the later films. It's hardly a perfectly-crafted film, as Rodriguez was largely still starting out as a director, but somehow it's even better for it, as the whole thing has a visceral, gritty feel.

Karo: The story of a reject mariachi singer who gets confused with a murderer and accidentally defeats a quartet of armed assassins simultaneously because lol.
But we don't stop there, as more people want him dead and this untrained gary sue with an aimbot one-shot kills everyone accommodated by plot points that would be old hat in a children's cartoon. Oh man they are gonna get their similar looking guitar cases mixed up! Who would have ever seen that coming.
The director made this on a shoestring budget and for some reason got a lot of attention from hollywood for his efforts. He took advantage of this grand opportunity to give the world the unparalleled cinematic masterpiece that is Spy Kids 3D: Game Over.
Though there might be some interesting camerawork, the story is unbelievable and uninteresting and you could do a lot better than this overblown student film from an overrated director.

CoolCly: I don't quite understand why this is in the list. This is a modern Mexican crime movie. Setting it in Mexico doesn't really make this a western.
Best part of the movie was the guy jamming out on the keyboard as if hes a full band, and the yellow Ford truck near the end with the Batman vanity plate.
I find both the villain in white and the villain in black to be lame and not believable as dangerous or scary at all. These guys, along with all of the cronies, feel like bad porn actors. Like, BAD porn actors.
What a stupid movie. I'm not sure why it's in this list. I didn't sign up to watch a mexican crime drama shot by a first year film student with amateur male porn actors. I signed up to watch westerns.
Whats even worse is that this doesnt even fit as prequel for the later movies, since they just retcon things like having other mariachi bros with guns anyways.
3/10

Poke: Shortwhich is a big plus as I only had to endure it for so long. Obviously low-budget films can be good, but this was just not my cup of tea.
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OUTLIER

Poke 82
CoolCly 56
KBM 55
Inviso 53
Johnbobb 36
Karo 25
Stifled 23

With a guitar case full of GUNZ, Poke shoots his way through to keep the lead. Robert Rodriguez consults with Cly, Inviso, and KBM on how to make Pokes life more tragic in the sequel. Johnbobb suggests recasting Poke altogether. Karo and Stifled, however, wonder when theyll bring in a popular white actor to liven things up.
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Still a handful of stuff that's concerning to not have dropped yet

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alright im gonna make an educated guess on the top 5 based on your narrow views of what a movie can and should be. you all strike me as surface level film bros who are into nolan or villeneuve or fincher at best and at worst are big fans of the mcu and middle brow oscar bait. so here goes:

the good the bad and the ugly - cinephile or normie, everyone loves this movie so i gotta use it
3:10 to yuma - film bros love this for some reason, possibly because it is dull and self serious
tombstone - anonymously directed and full of quips, which seems right up your alley
django unchained - banking on you guys at least enjoying tarantino, don't seem like the types who would accuse him of being unoriginal, could be wrong tho

conflicted on if fifth should be bone tomahawk or blazing saddles... maybe another dollars trilogy movie. tomahawk has the "slow burn" and the gore but blazing saddles has the laughs. not sure you guys know enough about pop culture and the history of westerns to enjoy saddles enough though. probably don't like the ending of the movie too. however liking GBU so much means you could also like the other leone's... hmm... gonna go with tomahawk.

excited to see how i do!

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I predict you say people who don't like Rick and Morty don't have a high enough IQ to understand it

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Man, a human being using "normie" in actual conversation. You'd think you wouldn't want to undermine your falsified cinema snob persona with an undercurrent of chicken tendie-inspired never-saw-a-proper-noun-that-I-didn't-avoid-capping pseudo-criticism. It's classic Brideshead Revisted, if by Brideshead you mean Lasa's obsession with Truffaut's Law.

I mean, sure, some of these opinions come across like Stifled's kid hacked his account, but Christ, there has to be something more meaningful in life than imagining your opinions about movies that only serve to bring in tourism to Monument Valley are better than someone else's opinions about movies that only serve to bring in tourism to Monument Valley. I think the only thing worse than having bad opinions is to deliver them late. Due date was listed on the board for what? At least longer than it takes to finish Zack Snyder's Justice League. You had time to sign up. I mean, clearly, judging by the sheer volume of posts here that make LMS' deluge of Episode VIII posts look like the Cliff's Notes version of Old Man and the Sea.

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hell yeah scarlet back in a gauntlet ranking topic

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Johnbobb posted...

I predict you say people who don't like Rick and Morty don't have a high enough IQ to understand it

have never seen an episode of rick and morty. watching tv (and a cartoon at that)... lmao!

scarletspeed7 posted...

Man, a human being using "normie" in actual conversation. You'd think you wouldn't want to undermine your falsified cinema snob persona with an undercurrent of chicken tendie-inspired never-saw-a-proper-noun-that-I-didn't-avoid-capping pseudo-criticism. It's classic Brideshead Revisted, if by Brideshead you mean Lasa's obsession with Truffaut's Law.

I mean, sure, some of these opinions come across like Stifled's kid hacked his account, but Christ, there has to be something more meaningful in life than imagining your opinions about movies that only serve to bring in tourism to Monument Valley are better than someone else's opinions about movies that only serve to bring in tourism to Monument Valley. I think the only thing worse than having bad opinions is to deliver them late. Due date was listed on the board for what? At least longer than it takes to finish Zack Snyder's Justice League. You had time to sign up. I mean, clearly, judging by the sheer volume of posts here that make LMS' deluge of Episode VIII posts look like the Cliff's Notes version of Old Man and the Sea.

you know, people keep bringing up the rankings, as if that's really what's drawing my ire here. although i guess you guys missing the point shouldn't surprise me, because you are doing it over and over for various movies... no, it's because these guys clearly have a rigid view of what a movie is, and lack the imagination to enjoy something that veers off your checklist of what makes a good movie. the numbers don't matter. this could just be a general "what movie did you last watch?" thread and i would still find you all to be profoundly upsetting.

johnbobb btw don't be shy about posting your lb i won't criticize you too hard ;)

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Zithers posted...

you know, people keep bringing up the rankings

Except I didn't bring up the numbers, bucko. What infuriates you as that you have a rigid view of what an opinion is, and if it's not yours, by God, someone needs to proselytize the good news of Sidney Lumet's Making Movies from your 2014 Film Criticism 201 class - not 101, of course, you made it all the way to the sophomore level of learning how to properly watch a movie, so step aside filmgoers!

The irony of your lambasting their "rigid" view is that you reveal you have an even MORE rigid view! It's like combating hunger by feeding people Soylent Green. Oh, look, there I go - referencing a middle brow movie like I'm real people or something equally as disgusting. Gosh, wasn't this board so much better before the plebeians were allow internet access?

The point being, you tried espousing your beliefs. No one cared. You tried again. No one cared. At what point do you stop peddling Christianity to the cannibals and take the L you so desperately want to avoid?

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i think you implied i care about rankings here, uh... bucko... ?

Due date was listed on the board for what? At least longer than it takes to finish Zack Snyder's Justice League. You had time to sign up.

as far as wanting them to share my opinion - that isn't true actually! i don't even like the searchers lol! i do however roll my eyes when people think it is an endorsement of racism. and someone said high noon didn't make sense because the town would have been happy if gary cooper just left... ? really? keep in mind this is another movie i don't really care to go to bat for. almost seems like willful misreadings. i get it though - they don't want their poorly thought out reviews to be criticized :(

at least their big bro or whoever you are is here to protect them though. they certainly can't do it for themselves xD

ps. isn't gamefaqs a specialized social media website?

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I hesitate to explain everything over again since you seem to have difficulty with your second language here, but man, you want to talk about willful misreadings, quoting your own post would do the trick.

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Can you all shut up
thanks

very confused rn as i don't see where i quoted myself and also you've apparently edited your post five times, which is some big time freak shit.

anyhoo looking forward to peering into the minds of people who don't like movies talk about old movies. big dream of mine to get more people to do this but this topic is making me think it may be a mistake. thankfully irl experience have been much more positive than what is happening here.

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yeah, the debating in this topic is pretty reminiscent of my infamous truffaut's law debate that took place a few years ago. though i will note that particularly inviso and karo went after me FAR harder than they're going after zithers here, which i find interesting because i was being far less belligerent (at least scarlet is finally throwing some shade now). though i didn't give him credit at the time, i think profdeadpool probably had the most reasonable take in that debate:

Who said this was an objective criticism of the movies list rather than opinion rankings exactly? I think a lot more time would have been needed to do only objective criticism of all 40.

I think you just had the wrong expectations for what this topic was Lasa.

correct me if i'm wrong but i think that's pretty much what's going on in this topic with zithers's posts as well. yeah, these writeups suck for the most part, but holding them to the standards of professional movie reviews (especially ones by nouvelle vague directors!) is a bit silly. you're obviously going to be continuously frustrated and annoyed if you're doing that because these are not in-depth reviews, nor do i think they're intended to be.

however, i will also note that in another gauntlet crew movie ranking topic, wicklebee got completely vituperated because several of his writeups were essentially just "i disliked this movie because i hated the sex scenes." so that does contradict the argument i'm making above. if the writeups in this topic are not in-depth reviews but just short, first impression blurbs, that's fine, but then don't go bash someone else because you don't like THEIR first impressions.

that's not to say i liked wickle's writeups - they were terrible. but i'd personally rather read a million "eww sex scenes" writeups by wickle than one "lol this movie is nothing but kubrick masturbating" writeup on 2001 by karo.

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I didn't say there was anything wrong with preferring newer movies, just that I'm not keen on that slant.

I remember not being very keen on Desperado so yikes at that still being left. Good action, visuals, and acting but story and characters were paper-thin.

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Zithers posted...

anyhoo looking forward to peering into the minds of people who don't like movies

Im not sure why you keep saying this. No one here would take the time to keep participating in movie topics if they hated movies. Disagreeing with lofty ideals of a film snob is not equal to hating movies. Its one thing to dislike our opinions, but these dumb blanket statements are what draw the ire to you.
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Hint for next drop:

This movie features at least one spanking.
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StifledSilence posted...

Hint for next drop:

This movie features at least one spanking.

The fact that this applies to multiple movies on this list says a lot

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StifledSilence posted...

Im not sure why you keep saying this. No one here would take the time to keep participating in movie topics if they hated movies. Disagreeing with lofty ideals of a film snob is not equal to hating movies. Its one thing to dislike our opinions, but these dumb blanket statements are what draw the ire to you.

i dont think you like movies on account of the posts youve made in this topic. pretty simple.

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Zithers posted...

very confused rn as i don't see where i quoted myself and also you've apparently edited your post five times, which is some big time freak shit.

As someone with no particular film-buff credentials who has been silently following along with this topic, and who probably should have participated in it (but didn't due to my indifference to the genre and general lack of motivation), this post in particular is enough to make me break my silence.

I have of course found all your posts peculiar coming from someone who claims to value the discourse of cinema to the point of championing a whole board devoted to it. However, I don't think you've ever been quite so blatant about what are seemingly your real intentions: to gatekeep any signs of unorthodoxy, any evidence that one has carefully considered their points on a level beyond wishing to fit in with a certain snobby, culturally literate crowd. To refer to using a function that exists on this website to truly think about what one is saying and how others might interpret that as "some big time freak shit" really reveals all about your apparent obsession with appearances and in-groups to the detriment of maturity, consideration, and actual discussion.

And for the record, not everyone can or should be expected to apply perfect standards of cultural/historical relativism to any given film in order to be allowed to have opinions on it. By definition, that's not how the phrase 'opinion' works - the same phrase this very topic is all about.

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Zithers posted...

i dont think you like movies on account of the posts youve made in this topic. pretty simple.

I think you dont like movies based on the posts youve made in this topic. You just like acting smug and superior to people by pretending to give a shit about cinema.

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Zithers posted...

very confused rn as i don't see where i quoted myself

scarlet meant that if you wanted to discuss willful misreadings, you should quote your own post (because he thought you were willfully misreading what he said in that post)

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you guys are wasting too much time on zithers, just respond to him with "hoes mad" and be done with it

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MetalmindStats posted...

As someone with no particular film-buff credentials who has been silently following along with this topic, and who probably should have participated in it (but didn't due to my indifference to the genre and general lack of motivation), this post in particular is enough to make me break my silence.

I have of course found all your posts peculiar coming from someone who claims to value the discourse of cinema to the point of championing a whole board devoted to it. However, I don't think you've ever been quite so blatant about what are seemingly your real intentions: to gatekeep any signs of unorthodoxy, any evidence that one has carefully considered their points on a level beyond wishing to fit in with a certain snobby, culturally literate crowd. To refer to using a function that exists on this website to truly think about what one is saying and how others might interpret that as "some big time freak shit" really reveals all about your apparent obsession with appearances and in-groups to the detriment of maturity, consideration, and actual discussion.

And for the record, not everyone can or should be expected to apply perfect standards of cultural/historical relativism to any given film in order to be allowed to have opinions on it. By definition, that's not how the phrase 'opinion' works - the same phrase this very topic is all about.

you can have opinions. just some opinions are very poorly thought out, sometimes even deserving of ridicule. also i've already said i don't even care for some of the "classics" that have dropped, just dumb that these guys don't really know how to read movies. gives me second hand embarrassment. also editing your post five times is definitely some big time freak shit. just go with your gut, man. i can take the hit about the dead private board.

Espeon posted...

I think you dont like movies based on the posts youve made in this topic. You just like acting smug and superior to people by pretending to give a shit about cinema.

not really sure what the purpose of pretending to care about "cinema" is. what good would that do me in the long run? liking old or obscure movies doesn't exactly give me any social capital. i just like watching them lol.

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Much like someone who feels the desperate need to creep on someone else's social media profiles to find some sense of dignity in their paper-thin personality built on movie opinions, clicking through the edits on a post is the hallmark of a person that desperately needs to find a sense of superiority where none can be found. As bad as some of these movie opinions are, "big time freak shit" might be the most singularly cringe-inducing phrase ever posted in one of these topics, and Poke couldn't remember who played Mushu.

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Now I'm editing these posts just for the fun of it.

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I agree with about half of those edits

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scarletspeed7 posted...

and Poke couldn't remember who played Mushu.

XD never gets old.


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scarletspeed7 posted...

Much like someone who feels the desperate need to creep on someone else's social media profiles to find some sense of dignity in their paper-thin personality built on movie opinions, clicking through the edits on a post is the hallmark of a person that desperately needs to find a sense of superiority where none can be found. As bad as some of these movie opinions are, "big time freak shit" might be the most singularly cringe-inducing phrase ever posted in one of these topics, and Poke couldn't remember who played Mushu.

i mean, i refreshed the page and saw your post shrink considerably. only reason i clicked. otherwise i never would have noticed lmao.

scarletspeed7 posted...

Now I'm editing these posts just for the fun of it.

yeah... yeah i'm sure you're having fun with that. BTFS.

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i frequently check edits on posts >_>

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i just assume edits are fixing typos. which i don't have much interest in seeing if i'm being quite honest.

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