Poll of the Day > CDC to again recommend everyone mask up in crowded public areas

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Mead 07/28/21 3:20:55 PM #51:	ParanoidObsessive posted... The breaking point usually winds up with people dead and things even worse. I mean that happens either way --- my resting temp can easily be in the 90's -Krazy_Kirby <cite>Mead posted [p:956548610] in CDC to aga... [t:79585453]...</cite> <quote>ParanoidObsessive posted... </cite> <quote>The breaking point usually winds up with people dead and things even worse.</quote> I mean that happens either way </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ParanoidObsessive 07/28/21 3:29:15 PM #52:	Reigning_King posted... http://youtu.be/nctWidPTtwI You're citing Trevor Noah as proof of something. That alone kind of invalidates whatever point you're attempting to make. Reigning_King posted... that's a fact You don't actually seem to understand what that word means. Reigning_King posted... I'm not vaccinated and I ditched my mask a few weeks before that Then you're literally part of the problem, and I no longer give a single solitary shit about your opinions. Die in a fire, and welcome to my ignore list shitlord. --- "Wall of Text'D!" --- oldskoolplayr76 "POwned again." --- blight family <cite>ParanoidObsessive posted [p:956548882] in CDC to aga... [t:79585453]...</cite> <quote><cite>Reigning_King posted...</cite> <quote>http://youtu.be/nctWidPTtwI</quote> You're citing Trevor Noah as proof of something. That alone kind of invalidates whatever point you're attempting to make. <cite>Reigning_King posted...</cite> <quote>that's a fact</quote> You don't actually seem to understand what that word means. <cite>Reigning_King posted...</cite> <quote>I'm not vaccinated and I ditched my mask a few weeks before that</quote> Then you're literally part of the problem, and I no longer give a single solitary shit about your opinions. Die in a fire, and welcome to my ignore list shitlord.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
adjl 07/28/21 3:44:48 PM #53:	Reigning_King posted... I don't disagree with you there. I just think it's hilarious how the same people who were screaming stuff like "Trust the science!" and "The CDC knows more than you ever could, don't rely on your own feelings/thoughts/research and just do whatever they tell you to do!" followed along and hand waved contradictory bullshit like how they said masks weren't needed back when this started, as long as they were making people more frightened, but the second they say something optimistic and in the opposite direction suddenly they're a bunch of heartless idiots who can't be trusted. If they do fully flip flop on this I expect their fanatics turned detractors to flip flop accordingly. Oh, I've always trusted the science. There were questions at one point about whether or not vaccines would prevent people from transmitting the disease without being (noticeably) infected, but the CDC's announcement indicated that that was no longer a concern. That was great news, and I fully trust that that announcement was made based on sound scientific evidence. What I don't trust is people. The CDC was correct to arrive at that conclusion, but because people are stupid, announcing it was a terrible idea. On the day they made that announcement (May 13), approximately 30% of the country was fully vaccinated. Within two weeks, substantially more than 30% of people were going without masks. Even now, less than half the country can claim to have had both shots more than two weeks ago, yet mask requirements have been dropped pretty much country-wide. By and large, the people eschewing masks aren't "trusting" the CDC as a scientific authority. They're treating the CDC's authority as something they can exploit now that it has said something they kind of almost agree with. The people saying the CDC should be trusted now that they're suggesting re-implementing masks didn't distrust them when they said vaccinated people don't need masks, they just recognized that such an announcement was never going to end well because people are idiots. Reigning_King posted... Sub 2% I think you need to play more Fire Emblem games if you think a 1-2% chance of death isn't a problem. It's fairly unlikely, sure, and reasonable risk analysis dictates that it's fine to attack a guy that you have a 90% chance to one-shot and who only has a 15% chance to hit and 3% chance to crit you, but you will have characters die to those odds (0.045%, even less on the 2-RNG system used by some of the games) far more often than common sense would seem to dictate. And that's just a video game. When the consequence is literally dying alone and in excruciating agony, those odds are bloody awful. --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts. <cite>adjl posted [p:956549349] in CDC to aga... [t:79585453]...</cite> <quote>Reigning_King posted... </cite> <quote>I don't disagree with you there. I just think it's hilarious how the same people who were screaming stuff like "Trust the science!" and "The CDC knows more than you ever could, don't rely on your own feelings/thoughts/research and just do whatever they tell you to do!" followed along and hand waved contradictory bullshit like how they said masks weren't needed back when this started, as long as they were making people more frightened, but the second they say something optimistic and in the opposite direction suddenly they're a bunch of heartless idiots who can't be trusted. If they do fully flip flop on this I expect their fanatics turned detractors to flip flop accordingly.</quote> Oh, I've always trusted the science. There were questions at one point about whether or not vaccines would prevent people from transmitting the disease without being (noticeably) infected, but the CDC's announcement indicated that that was no longer a concern. That was great news, and I fully trust that that announcement was made based on sound scientific evidence. What I don't trust is people. The CDC was correct to arrive at that conclusion, but because people are stupid, announcing it was a terrible idea. On the day they made that announcement (May 13), approximately 30% of the country was fully vaccinated. Within two weeks, substantially more than 30% of people were going without masks. Even now, less than half the country can claim to have had both shots more than two weeks ago, yet mask requirements have been dropped pretty much country-wide. By and large, the people eschewing masks aren't "trusting" the CDC as a scientific authority. They're treating the CDC's authority as something they can exploit now that it has said something they kind of almost agree with. The people saying the CDC should be trusted now that they're suggesting re-implementing masks didn't distrust them when they said vaccinated people don't need masks, they just recognized that such an announcement was never going to end well because people are idiots. Reigning_King posted... </cite> <quote>Sub 2%</quote> I think you need to play more Fire Emblem games if you think a 1-2% chance of death isn't a problem. It's fairly unlikely, sure, and reasonable risk analysis dictates that it's fine to attack a guy that you have a 90% chance to one-shot and who only has a 15% chance to hit and 3% chance to crit you, but you will have characters die to those odds (0.045%, even less on the 2-RNG system used by some of the games) far more often than common sense would seem to dictate. And that's just a video game. When the consequence is literally dying alone and in excruciating agony, those odds are bloody awful. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Reigning_King 07/28/21 4:25:08 PM #54:	You can claim that you felt/thought that way adjl and I can't prove you didn't but there were definitely hypocritical nimrods on that side of the issue and that's who I'm laughing at. Also that last part of your post doesn't mean much when that >2% isn't even really >2% and is much lower for most people as I pointed out. <cite>Reigning_King posted [p:956550469] in CDC to aga... [t:79585453]...</cite> <quote>You can claim that you felt/thought that way adjl and I can't prove you didn't but there were definitely hypocritical nimrods on that side of the issue and that's who I'm laughing at. Also that last part of your post doesn't mean much when that >2% isn't even really >2% and is much lower for most people as I pointed out. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Metalsonic66 07/28/21 4:35:51 PM #55:	https://youtu.be/vD3LAaKhYtA --- PSN/Steam ID: Metalsonic_69 Big bombs go kabang. <cite>Metalsonic66 posted [p:956550806] in CDC to aga... [t:79585453]...</cite> <quote>https://youtu.be/vD3LAaKhYtA </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
adjl 07/28/21 4:42:56 PM #56:	Reigning_King posted... You can claim that you felt/thought that way adjl and I can't prove you didn't but there were definitely hypocritical nimrods on that side of the issue and that's who I'm laughing at. You're doing a whole lot more than laughing. You're using their (alleged, since where you don't exactly have the best track record for understanding this subject, I doubt there really is any) hypocrisy as a reason to ignore the CDC's recommendations as though that somehow discredits them. That's never a logical course of action. Reigning_King posted... Also that last part of your post doesn't mean much when that >2% isn't even really >2% and is much lower for most people as I pointed out. adjl posted... you will have characters die to those odds (0.045%, even less on the 2-RNG system used by some of the games) For clarification, the 2-RNG system (used in every game from FE6 on) rolls two RN's for hit chance, then a hit is scored if their average is less than or equal to the displayed hit chance. This means that the chance of missing with 90 hit is actually 1.9% and the chance of hitting with 15 is 4.65%, for a total probability of 0.0027%. But you'll nevertheless eventually end up restarting a chapter because those odds were realized. Imagine if instead of restarting a chapter, you drowned in your own mucus while lying face down in a puddle of diarrhea with several tubes shoved down your throat in a desperate effort to save you while everyone you've ever cared about is forbidden from being anywhere close to you. I dunno about you, but that sounds pretty unpleasant. I'm all for further reducing the odds of that happening by wearing a piece of cloth on my face and taking a sick day or two. --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts. <cite>adjl posted [p:956551028] in CDC to aga... [t:79585453]...</cite> <quote>Reigning_King posted... </cite> <quote>You can claim that you felt/thought that way adjl and I can't prove you didn't but there were definitely hypocritical nimrods on that side of the issue and that's who I'm laughing at.</quote> You're doing a whole lot more than laughing. You're using their (alleged, since where you don't exactly have the best track record for understanding this subject, I doubt there really is any) hypocrisy as a reason to ignore the CDC's recommendations as though that somehow discredits them. That's never a logical course of action. Reigning_King posted... </cite> <quote>Also that last part of your post doesn't mean much when that >2% isn't even really >2% and is much lower for most people as I pointed out.</quote>adjl posted... </cite> <quote>you will have characters die to those odds (0.045%, even less on the 2-RNG system used by some of the games)</quote> For clarification, the 2-RNG system (used in every game from FE6 on) rolls two RN's for hit chance, then a hit is scored if their average is less than or equal to the displayed hit chance. This means that the chance of missing with 90 hit is actually 1.9% and the chance of hitting with 15 is 4.65%, for a total probability of 0.0027%. But you'll nevertheless eventually end up restarting a chapter because those odds were realized. Imagine if instead of restarting a chapter, you drowned in your own mucus while lying face down in a puddle of diarrhea with several tubes shoved down your throat in a desperate effort to save you while everyone you've ever cared about is forbidden from being anywhere close to you. I dunno about you, but that sounds pretty unpleasant. I'm all for further reducing the odds of that happening by wearing a piece of cloth on my face and taking a sick day or two. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RCtheWSBC 07/28/21 4:53:36 PM #57:	I love PO, man. --- https://imgur.com/HZf4bFJ the White-Sounding Black Chick <cite>RCtheWSBC posted [p:956551328] in CDC to aga... [t:79585453]...</cite> <quote>I love PO, man. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Metalsonic66 07/28/21 4:54:34 PM #58:	ParanoidObsessive posted... Die in a fire, and welcome to my ignore list shitlord. Pwn'ddd --- PSN/Steam ID: Metalsonic_69 Big bombs go kabang. <cite>Metalsonic66 posted [p:956551351] in CDC to aga... [t:79585453]...</cite> <quote>ParanoidObsessive posted... </cite> <quote>Die in a fire, and welcome to my ignore list shitlord.</quote>Pwn'ddd </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
adjl 07/28/21 4:58:04 PM #59:	Also yeah, saying "You were all hypocrites to be worried that the CDC's announcement would result in unvaccinated people giving up masks" and then admitting to giving up masks without being vaccinated pretty much revokes your right to call anyone hypocritical. --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts. <cite>adjl posted [p:956551496] in CDC to aga... [t:79585453]...</cite> <quote>Also yeah, saying "You were all hypocrites to be worried that the CDC's announcement would result in unvaccinated people giving up masks" and then admitting to giving up masks without being vaccinated pretty much revokes your right to call anyone hypocritical. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Reigning_King 07/28/21 5:05:01 PM #60:	RCtheWSBC posted... I love PO, man. For telling people to die painful deaths? Oh, they say women find men with dark triad traits like a lack of empathy attractive so I suppose it checks out. More power to you I guess. adjl posted... Also yeah, saying "You were all hypocrites to be worried that the CDC's announcement would result in unvaccinated people giving up masks" and then admitting to giving up masks without being vaccinated pretty much revokes your right to call anyone hypocritical. I literally said the opposite of that. Read adjl, read. Reigning_King posted... I mean I'm not even saying they were wrong to complain... <cite>Reigning_King posted [p:956551727] in CDC to aga... [t:79585453]...</cite> <quote>RCtheWSBC posted... </cite> <quote>I love PO, man.</quote>For telling people to die painful deaths? Oh, they say women find men with dark triad traits like a lack of empathy attractive so I suppose it checks out. More power to you I guess. adjl posted... </cite> <quote>Also yeah, saying "You were all hypocrites to be worried that the CDC's announcement would result in unvaccinated people giving up masks" and then admitting to giving up masks without being vaccinated pretty much revokes your right to call anyone hypocritical.</quote>I literally said the opposite of that. Read adjl, read. Reigning_King posted... </cite> <quote>I mean I'm not even saying they were wrong to complain...</quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PunishedOni 07/28/21 5:10:15 PM #61:	sleepyking is trying to kill everyone because hes an antinatalist --- hi im chelsea ^__^ 'thou shalt not suffer a dentist to live' - chelsea <cite>PunishedOni posted [p:956551892] in CDC to aga... [t:79585453]...</cite> <quote>sleepyking is trying to kill everyone because hes an antinatalist </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
adjl 07/28/21 5:10:28 PM #62:	Reigning_King posted... I literally said the opposite of that. Read adjl, read. Reigning_King posted... they're a bunch of hypocrites. --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts. <cite>adjl posted [p:956551900] in CDC to aga... [t:79585453]...</cite> <quote>Reigning_King posted... </cite> <quote>I literally said the opposite of that. Read adjl, read.</quote>Reigning_King posted... </cite> <quote>they're a bunch of hypocrites.</quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
helIy 07/28/21 5:17:26 PM #63:	ParanoidObsessive posted... Die in a fire, and welcome to my ignore list shitlord. jesus christ po went hard --- but i'm not the villain, despite what you're always preaching call me a traitor, i'm just collecting your victims <cite>helIy posted [p:956552079] in CDC to aga... [t:79585453]...</cite> <quote>ParanoidObsessive posted... </cite> <quote>Die in a fire, and welcome to my ignore list shitlord.</quote>jesus christ po went hard </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Reigning_King 07/28/21 5:17:38 PM #64:	They are hypocrites for saying the CDC was in the wrong and companies should disregard the new mask rules, even if they were right to say that since people like me exist because previously they pretended the CDC was infallible and Fauchi was some galaxy brain messiah and everyone should just do as they were told. Simple enough explanation? <cite>Reigning_King posted [p:956552089] in CDC to aga... [t:79585453]...</cite> <quote>They are hypocrites for saying the CDC was in the wrong and companies should disregard the new mask rules, even if they were right to say that since people like me exist because previously they pretended the CDC was infallible and Fauchi was some galaxy brain messiah and everyone should just do as they were told. Simple enough explanation? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mead 07/28/21 5:19:13 PM #65:	Reigning_King posted... there were definitely hypocritical nimrods on that side of the issue and that's who I'm laughing at. who fucking cares --- my resting temp can easily be in the 90's -Krazy_Kirby <cite>Mead posted [p:956552140] in CDC to aga... [t:79585453]...</cite> <quote>Reigning_King posted... </cite> <quote>there were definitely hypocritical nimrods on that side of the issue and that's who I'm laughing at.</quote> who fucking cares </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
adjl 07/28/21 5:27:56 PM #66:	Reigning_King posted... They are hypocrites for saying the CDC was in the wrong and companies should disregard the new mask rules, Did anyone ever actually say "companies should not allow fully-vaccinated people to go without masks"? Or did they say "companies shouldn't give up on mask requirements entirely because a very small portion of the population is actually fully vaccinated and there's no shortage of unvaccinated assholes that will stop wearing them despite that being a really stupid idea"? Did anyone actually say "the science is wrong," or did they just say "it was wrong to announce this because it will be abused"? Reigning_King posted... because previously they pretended the CDC was infallible and Fauchi was some galaxy brain messiah and everyone should just do as they were told. Did they actually? Or did they just trust that the science was valid because the data was available and could be verified as needed if they thought the CDC's conclusions were mistaken? You seem to be thinking of this in terms of people's attitudes toward the CDC, not in terms of people's attitudes toward empirical reality (and, more specifically, the CDC's measurements thereof). That's dumb. Stop it. --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts. <cite>adjl posted [p:956552413] in CDC to aga... [t:79585453]...</cite> <quote>Reigning_King posted... </cite> <quote>They are hypocrites for saying the CDC was in the wrong and companies should disregard the new mask rules,</quote> Did anyone ever actually say "companies should not allow fully-vaccinated people to go without masks"? Or did they say "companies shouldn't give up on mask requirements entirely because a very small portion of the population is actually fully vaccinated and there's no shortage of unvaccinated assholes that will stop wearing them despite that being a really stupid idea"? Did anyone actually say "the science is wrong," or did they just say "it was wrong to announce this because it will be abused"? Reigning_King posted... </cite> <quote>because previously they pretended the CDC was infallible and Fauchi was some galaxy brain messiah and everyone should just do as they were told.</quote> Did they actually? Or did they just trust that the science was valid because the data was available and could be verified as needed if they thought the CDC's conclusions were mistaken? You seem to be thinking of this in terms of people's attitudes toward the CDC, not in terms of people's attitudes toward empirical reality (and, more specifically, the CDC's measurements thereof). That's dumb. Stop it. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Reigning_King 07/28/21 5:32:45 PM #67:	adjl posted... Did anyone actually say "the science is wrong," or did they just say "it was wrong to announce this because it will be abused"? Literally doesn't matter either way. Both as commiting the sin of questioning the all knowing CDC. adjl posted... Did they actually? Yes. Maybe you were lucky enough to not come across those types of idiots but they definitely existed. <cite>Reigning_King posted [p:956552548] in CDC to aga... [t:79585453]...</cite> <quote>adjl posted... </cite> <quote>Did anyone actually say "the science is wrong," or did they just say "it was wrong to announce this because it will be abused"?</quote>Literally doesn't matter either way. Both as commiting the sin of questioning the all knowing CDC. adjl posted... </cite> <quote>Did they actually?</quote>Yes. Maybe you were lucky enough to not come across those types of idiots but they definitely existed. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Blighboy 07/28/21 5:43:00 PM #68:	helIy posted... jesus christ po went hard He's like 800 years old so everytime he gets covid he dies ten times. --- I have no idea whether or not he's a racist, but apparently there are recordings of him using racial slurs so it's a distinct possibility. <cite>Blighboy posted [p:956552885] in CDC to aga... [t:79585453]...</cite> <quote>helIy posted... </cite> <quote>jesus christ po went hard</quote>He's like 800 years old so everytime he gets covid he dies ten times. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
helIy 07/28/21 5:45:37 PM #69:	Blighboy posted... He's like 800 years old so everytime he gets covid he dies ten times. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KCPwZK8ybVw&pp=sAQA --- but i'm not the villain, despite what you're always preaching call me a traitor, i'm just collecting your victims <cite>helIy posted [p:956552959] in CDC to aga... [t:79585453]...</cite> <quote>Blighboy posted... </cite> <quote>He's like 800 years old so everytime he gets covid he dies ten times.</quote>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KCPwZK8ybVw&pp=sAQA </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
adjl 07/28/21 5:59:21 PM #70:	Reigning_King posted... Literally doesn't matter either way. Sure it does. One questions the CDC's scientific authority, which is central to their very existence. To challenge that is to suggest that they should never be listened to. The other questions a decision they made. Questioning that just means acknowledging that they're human and they may not have considered all aspects of that decision (in this case, the social ramifications of sharing the science). The two differ radically in the extent to which they seek to discredit the CDC. Reigning_King posted... Yes. Maybe you were lucky enough to not come across those types of idiots but they definitely existed. I'm going to need to see several examples. I don't doubt that they exist (given that people exist that hold basically every viewpoint imaginable), but given your track record, I very much doubt that the ones you have seen actually hold the viewpoints you're ascribing to them. I consider it significantly more likely that you're seeing hypocrisy where there is none because you understand very little about any of this (see: accusing the CDC of hypocrisy for changing their position on masks as new evidence emerged to support wearing them). Of course, I could be mistaken in that assumption, but getting me to believe in such a mistake is going to take some convincing. So hop to it. --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts. <cite>adjl posted [p:956553438] in CDC to aga... [t:79585453]...</cite> <quote>Reigning_King posted... </cite> <quote>Literally doesn't matter either way.</quote> Sure it does. One questions the CDC's scientific authority, which is central to their very existence. To challenge that is to suggest that they should never be listened to. The other questions a decision they made. Questioning that just means acknowledging that they're human and they may not have considered all aspects of that decision (in this case, the social ramifications of sharing the science). The two differ radically in the extent to which they seek to discredit the CDC. Reigning_King posted... </cite> <quote>Yes. Maybe you were lucky enough to not come across those types of idiots but they definitely existed.</quote> I'm going to need to see several examples. I don't doubt that they exist (given that people exist that hold basically every viewpoint imaginable), but given your track record, I very much doubt that the ones you have seen actually hold the viewpoints you're ascribing to them. I consider it significantly more likely that you're seeing hypocrisy where there is none because you understand very little about any of this (see: accusing the CDC of hypocrisy for changing their position on masks as new evidence emerged to support wearing them). Of course, I could be mistaken in that assumption, but getting me to believe in such a mistake is going to take some convincing. So hop to it. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Metalsonic66 07/28/21 6:02:11 PM #71:	adjl posted... because you understand very little about any of this Dingdingding --- PSN/Steam ID: Metalsonic_69 Big bombs go kabang. <cite>Metalsonic66 posted [p:956553530] in CDC to aga... [t:79585453]...</cite> <quote>adjl posted... </cite> <quote>because you understand very little about any of this</quote>Dingdingding </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Reigning_King 07/28/21 6:03:19 PM #72:	adjl posted... you understand very little about any of this (see: accusing the CDC of hypocrisy for changing their position on masks as new evidence emerged to support wearing them). Why do you keep bringing up things that never happened? <cite>Reigning_King posted [p:956553559] in CDC to aga... [t:79585453]...</cite> <quote>adjl posted... </cite> <quote>you understand very little about any of this (see: accusing the CDC of hypocrisy for changing their position on masks as new evidence emerged to support wearing them).</quote>Why do you keep bringing up things that never happened? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
adjl 07/28/21 6:04:49 PM #73:	Reigning_King posted... Why do you keep bringing up things that never happened? Reigning_King posted... contradictory bulls* like how they said masks weren't needed back when this started, --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts. <cite>adjl posted [p:956553606] in CDC to aga... [t:79585453]...</cite> <quote>Reigning_King posted... </cite> <quote>Why do you keep bringing up things that never happened?</quote>Reigning_King posted... </cite> <quote>contradictory bulls* like how they said masks weren't needed back when this started,</quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Reigning_King 07/28/21 6:13:42 PM #74:	Contradictory =/= hypothetical Come on dude. <cite>Reigning_King posted [p:956553910] in CDC to aga... [t:79585453]...</cite> <quote>Contradictory =/= hypothetical Come on dude. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zareth 07/28/21 6:15:23 PM #75:	hypocritical not hypothetical --- In my opinion, all slavery is wrong, even the really fancy kind - Mead <cite>Zareth posted [p:956553958] in CDC to aga... [t:79585453]...</cite> <quote>hypocritical not hypothetical </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Metalsonic66 07/28/21 6:19:12 PM #76:	--- PSN/Steam ID: Metalsonic_69 Big bombs go kabang. <cite>Metalsonic66 posted [p:956554086] in CDC to aga... [t:79585453]...</cite> <quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
streamofthesky 07/28/21 6:19:53 PM #77:	The CDC are incompetent morons with blood on their hands. EVERYONE with at least two brain cells to rub together knew what would fucking happen when the CDC announced that starting May 2021 it was Mask Off Dance Off time. Literally had an entire year of selfish morons congregating w/o masks, having parties to intentionally get each other sick for "herd immunity", protesting lockdown and mask mandates, and vehemently refusing to get vaccinated. Gee, I wonder what will happen when the CDC says it's ok to ditch the masks if you're fully vaccinated without requiring verification that you're vaccinated. Just like...use the honor system! I'm sure the millions of people who repeatedly expressed how much contempt they have for public health and safety will cooperate. What could possibly go wrong?! Seriously, the CDC can go fuck themselves and the Biden admin should take a hatchet to their personnel staff and replace them with people that can do their fucking job. Although at this point, even that won't help, the CDC's credibility as an authority is in the toilet. And inb4 "lol, you think you know more than the professionals at the CDC?" ...well, considering they're carefully doing a complete fucking 180 2 months later, yeah. Yeah, I do. <cite>streamofthesky posted [p:956554113] in CDC to aga... [t:79585453]...</cite> <quote>The CDC are incompetent morons with blood on their hands. EVERYONE with at least two brain cells to rub together knew what would fucking happen when the CDC announced that starting May 2021 it was Mask Off Dance Off time. Literally had an entire year of selfish morons congregating w/o masks, having parties to intentionally get each other sick for "herd immunity", protesting lockdown and mask mandates, and vehemently refusing to get vaccinated. Gee, I wonder what will happen when the CDC says it's ok to ditch the masks if you're fully vaccinated without requiring verification that you're vaccinated. Just like...use the honor system! I'm sure the millions of people who repeatedly expressed how much contempt they have for public health and safety will cooperate. What could possibly go wrong?! Seriously, the CDC can go fuck themselves and the Biden admin should take a hatchet to their personnel staff and replace them with people that can do their fucking job. Although at this point, even that won't help, the CDC's credibility as an authority is in the toilet. And inb4 "lol, you think you know more than the professionals at the CDC?" ...well, considering they're carefully doing a complete fucking 180 2 months later, yeah. Yeah, I do. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
adjl 07/28/21 6:20:05 PM #78:	Reigning_King posted... Contradictory =/= hypothetical [sic] Come on dude. In that context, it obviously does, but if it makes you feel any better, the central point of that comment remains completely intact if you substitute "contradicting themselves" for "hypocrisy." --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts. <cite>adjl posted [p:956554118] in CDC to aga... [t:79585453]...</cite> <quote>Reigning_King posted... </cite> <quote>Contradictory =/= hypothetical [sic] Come on dude.</quote> In that context, it obviously does, but if it makes you feel any better, the central point of that comment remains completely intact if you substitute "contradicting themselves" for "hypocrisy." </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Reigning_King 07/28/21 6:40:01 PM #79:	adjl posted... In that context, it obviously does, but if it makes you feel any better, the central point of that comment remains completely intact if you substitute "contradicting themselves" for "hypocrisy." It doesn't though, your understanding of context is either really bad or you're fishing for statements I've made that can be misconstrued. Zareth posted... hypocritical not hypothetical This is you. https://youtu.be/LiYqTcaq_Zo <cite>Reigning_King posted [p:956554815] in CDC to aga... [t:79585453]...</cite> <quote> adjl posted... </cite> <quote>In that context, it obviously does, but if it makes you feel any better, the central point of that comment remains completely intact if you substitute "contradicting themselves" for "hypocrisy."</quote>It doesn't though, your understanding of context is either really bad or you're fishing for statements I've made that can be misconstrued. Zareth posted... </cite> <quote>hypocritical not hypothetical</quote>This is you. https://youtu.be/LiYqTcaq_Zo </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
adjl 07/28/21 6:56:55 PM #80:	Reigning_King posted... It doesn't though, your understanding of context is either really bad or you're fishing for statements I've made that can be misconstrued. Sure it does. The central point is that you accusing the CDC of contradicting themselves because they changed their position according to new evidence indicates you don't understand the situation. That's no less true if we instead say that you accusing the CDC of hypocrisy because they changed their position according to new evidence indicates you don't understand the situation. --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts. <cite>adjl posted [p:956555368] in CDC to aga... [t:79585453]...</cite> <quote>Reigning_King posted... </cite> <quote>It doesn't though, your understanding of context is either really bad or you're fishing for statements I've made that can be misconstrued.</quote> Sure it does. The central point is that you accusing the CDC of contradicting themselves because they changed their position according to new evidence indicates you don't understand the situation. That's no less true if we instead say that you accusing the CDC of hypocrisy because they changed their position according to new evidence indicates you don't understand the situation. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Reigning_King 07/28/21 7:23:05 PM #81:	adjl posted... Sure it does. The central point is that you accusing the CDC of contradicting themselves because they changed their position according to new evidence indicates you don't understand the situation. That's no less true if we instead say that you accusing the CDC of hypocrisy because they changed their position according to new evidence indicates you don't understand the situation. I wasn't even talking about them being the hypocrites in the first place. You keep going deeper into this bizarre hole you've dug looking for a "gotcha" when you aren't even digging in the right field because of an initial misunderstanding on your part. I already elaborated on your mistake once so don't ask me to again and just reread the topic from the top. <cite>Reigning_King posted [p:956556187] in CDC to aga... [t:79585453]...</cite> <quote>adjl posted... </cite> <quote>Sure it does. The central point is that you accusing the CDC of contradicting themselves because they changed their position according to new evidence indicates you don't understand the situation. That's no less true if we instead say that you accusing the CDC of hypocrisy because they changed their position according to new evidence indicates you don't understand the situation.</quote>I wasn't even talking about them being the hypocrites in the first place. You keep going deeper into this bizarre hole you've dug looking for a "gotcha" when you aren't even digging in the right field because of an initial misunderstanding on your part. I already elaborated on your mistake once so don't ask me to again and just reread the topic from the top. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Clench281 07/28/21 7:31:12 PM #82:	Reigning_King posted... I wasn't even talking about them being the hypocrites in the first place. You keep going deeper into this bizarre hole you've dug looking for a "gotcha" when you aren't even digging in the right field because of an initial misunderstanding on your part. I already elaborated on your mistake once so don't ask me to again and just reread the topic from the top. Communication is a two way street And you suck at it --- Take me for what I am -- who I was meant to be. And if you give a damn, take me baby, or leave me. <cite>Clench281 posted [p:956556465] in CDC to aga... [t:79585453]...</cite> <quote>Reigning_King posted... </cite> <quote>I wasn't even talking about them being the hypocrites in the first place. You keep going deeper into this bizarre hole you've dug looking for a "gotcha" when you aren't even digging in the right field because of an initial misunderstanding on your part. I already elaborated on your mistake once so don't ask me to again and just reread the topic from the top.</quote> Communication is a two way street And you suck at it </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Metalsonic66 07/28/21 7:34:33 PM #83:	--- PSN/Steam ID: Metalsonic_69 Big bombs go kabang. <cite>Metalsonic66 posted [p:956556561] in CDC to aga... [t:79585453]...</cite> <quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
adjl 07/28/21 7:40:18 PM #84:	Reigning_King posted... I wasn't even talking about them being the hypocrites in the first place. You're talking about people being hypocrites for listening to the CDC both before and after they changed their mind. Getting from there to directly calling the CDC hypocrites is pretty simple, thanks to the transitive property, but that is in fact irrelevant. The central point (again) is that you think it's hypocritical or contradictory to continue listening to the CDC after they changed their mind in response to new evidence, which is a blatant misunderstanding of how science (and recommendations made from it) works. --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts. <cite>adjl posted [p:956556722] in CDC to aga... [t:79585453]...</cite> <quote>Reigning_King posted... </cite> <quote>I wasn't even talking about them being the hypocrites in the first place.</quote> You're talking about people being hypocrites for listening to the CDC both before and after they changed their mind. Getting from there to directly calling the CDC hypocrites is pretty simple, thanks to the transitive property, but that is in fact irrelevant. The central point (again) is that you think it's hypocritical or contradictory to continue listening to the CDC after they changed their mind in response to new evidence, which is a blatant misunderstanding of how science (and recommendations made from it) works. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Reigning_King 07/28/21 7:47:56 PM #85:	You were this close to getting it. I'll leave it to you as homework if you want. <cite>Reigning_King posted [p:956556939] in CDC to aga... [t:79585453]...</cite> <quote>You were this close to getting it. I'll leave it to you as homework if you want. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Clench281 07/28/21 7:51:04 PM #86:	Reigning_King posted... You were this close to getting it. I'll leave it to you as homework if you want. No one needs homework assigned by the high school science dropout, thanks --- Take me for what I am -- who I was meant to be. And if you give a damn, take me baby, or leave me. <cite>Clench281 posted [p:956557031] in CDC to aga... [t:79585453]...</cite> <quote>Reigning_King posted... </cite> <quote>You were this close to getting it. I'll leave it to you as homework if you want.</quote> No one needs homework assigned by the high school science dropout, thanks </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ParanoidObsessive 07/28/21 8:06:06 PM #87:	RCtheWSBC posted... I love PO, man. I love you too, Jen's sidepiece. --- "Wall of Text'D!" --- oldskoolplayr76 "POwned again." --- blight family <cite>ParanoidObsessive posted [p:956557469] in CDC to aga... [t:79585453]...</cite> <quote><cite>RCtheWSBC posted...</cite> <quote>I love PO, man.</quote> I love you too, Jen's sidepiece.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
adjl 07/29/21 8:01:34 AM #88:	Reigning_King posted... You were this close to getting it. I'll leave it to you as homework if you want. If what you've said isn't what you mean, feel free to clarify, but I very much doubt anything you say can convince me that you understand the situation. --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts. <cite>adjl posted [p:956570544] in CDC to aga... [t:79585453]...</cite> <quote>Reigning_King posted... </cite> <quote>You were this close to getting it. I'll leave it to you as homework if you want.</quote> If what you've said isn't what you mean, feel free to clarify, but I very much doubt anything you say can convince me that you understand the situation. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RCtheWSBC 07/29/21 9:46:58 AM #89:	ParanoidObsessive posted... I love you too, Jen's sidepiece. hehehe. If only she were as into women as I am, I could have been promoted to entre years ago. --- https://imgur.com/HZf4bFJ the White-Sounding Black Chick <cite>RCtheWSBC posted [p:956572639] in CDC to aga... [t:79585453]...</cite> <quote>ParanoidObsessive posted... </cite> <quote>I love you too, Jen's sidepiece.</quote>hehehe. If only she were as into women as I am, I could have been promoted to entre years ago. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Krazy_Kirby 07/29/21 12:55:58 PM #90:	I don't bother going to stores/businesses that require masks anymore. other stores don't, they can get my business. --- Kill From The Shadows. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idiot <cite>Krazy_Kirby posted [p:956577914] in CDC to aga... [t:79585453]...</cite> <quote>I don't bother going to stores/businesses that require masks anymore. other stores don't, they can get my business.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
adjl 07/29/21 5:11:03 PM #91:	Krazy_Kirby posted... I don't bother going to stores/businesses that require masks anymore. other stores don't, they can get my business. Thank you for being part of the problem. --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts. <cite>adjl posted [p:956585878] in CDC to aga... [t:79585453]...</cite> <quote>Krazy_Kirby posted... </cite> <quote>I don't bother going to stores/businesses that require masks anymore. other stores don't, they can get my business.</quote> Thank you for being part of the problem. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Clench281 07/30/21 3:30:35 PM #92:	Newest findings from CDC confirm vaccinated individuals still susceptible to contracting symptomatic cases of covid and exhibiting high viral load, though still having protection from severe symptoms/hospitalization. The findings mean unvaccinated people are at extreme risk in large gatherings even when most people are vaccinated (To be fair you might expect higher rate of transmission during things like "bear week" when compared to other large social gatherings) --- Take me for what I am -- who I was meant to be. And if you give a damn, take me baby, or leave me. <cite>Clench281 posted [p:956616253] in CDC to aga... [t:79585453]...</cite> <quote>Newest findings from CDC confirm vaccinated individuals still susceptible to contracting symptomatic cases of covid and exhibiting high viral load, though still having protection from severe symptoms/hospitalization. The findings mean unvaccinated people are at extreme risk in large gatherings even when most people are vaccinated (To be fair you might expect higher rate of transmission during things like "bear week" when compared to other large social gatherings) </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
adjl 07/30/21 3:36:18 PM #93:	What? The Covid vaccine is behaving like every other vaccine in history? I am shock and a Paul. --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts. <cite>adjl posted [p:956616395] in CDC to aga... [t:79585453]...</cite> <quote>What? The Covid vaccine is behaving like every other vaccine in history? I am shock and a Paul. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Clench281 07/30/21 3:46:25 PM #94:	(in before potd armchair epidemiologists question the value of a vaccine if it only reduces mortality by 99%) --- Take me for what I am -- who I was meant to be. And if you give a damn, take me baby, or leave me. <cite>Clench281 posted [p:956616658] in CDC to aga... [t:79585453]...</cite> <quote>(in before potd armchair epidemiologists question the value of a vaccine if it only reduces mortality by 99%) </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Krazy_Kirby 07/30/21 3:54:05 PM #95:	adjl posted... What? The Covid vaccine is behaving like every other vaccine in history? I am shock and a Paul. lol --- Kill From The Shadows. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idiot <cite>Krazy_Kirby posted [p:956616876] in CDC to aga... [t:79585453]...</cite> <quote>adjl posted...</cite> <quote>What? The Covid vaccine is behaving like every other vaccine in history? I am shock and a Paul. </quote> lol</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
adjl 07/30/21 3:56:43 PM #96:	I'm glad you appreciated that. --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts. <cite>adjl posted [p:956616962] in CDC to aga... [t:79585453]...</cite> <quote>I'm glad you appreciated that. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OhhhJa 07/30/21 3:57:02 PM #97:	With over 50 percent of the country being vaccinated, I find it hard to believe the vaccine is really all that effective with the recent surge we've had. Herd immunity has historically been around 70% vaccination and we're not that far from that figure <cite>OhhhJa posted [p:956616970] in CDC to aga... [t:79585453]...</cite> <quote>With over 50 percent of the country being vaccinated, I find it hard to believe the vaccine is really all that effective with the recent surge we've had. Herd immunity has historically been around 70% vaccination and we're not that far from that figure </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Clench281 07/30/21 4:02:22 PM #98:	OhhhJa posted... With over 50 percent of the country being vaccinated, I find it hard to believe the vaccine is really all that effective with the recent surge we've had. Herd immunity has historically been around 70% vaccination and we're not that far from that figure It's demonstrably quite effective at reducing the occurrence of hospitalization and death from the Delta variant (varied, 90-99% depending on population looked at) based on vaccination status amongst those with severe covid, and likely highly effective at even preventing many symptomatic cases in day to day life (88% in a recent test-negative case-control study, though expectedly less effective when zooming in on a population from a large social gathering, e.g. today's CDC post regarding the "bear week" and other events in MA). Your opinion on the matter is irrelevant. Edited to correct and clarify --- Take me for what I am -- who I was meant to be. And if you give a damn, take me baby, or leave me. <cite>Clench281 posted [p:956617123] in CDC to aga... [t:79585453]...</cite> <quote>OhhhJa posted... </cite> <quote>With over 50 percent of the country being vaccinated, I find it hard to believe the vaccine is really all that effective with the recent surge we've had. Herd immunity has historically been around 70% vaccination and we're not that far from that figure</quote> It's demonstrably quite effective at reducing the occurrence of hospitalization and death from the Delta variant (varied, 90-99% depending on population looked at) based on vaccination status amongst those with severe covid, and likely highly effective at even preventing many symptomatic cases in day to day life (88% in a recent test-negative case-control study, though expectedly less effective when zooming in on a population from a large social gathering, e.g. today's CDC post regarding the "bear week" and other events in MA). Your opinion on the matter is irrelevant. Edited to correct and clarify </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OhhhJa 07/30/21 4:03:26 PM #99:	Clench281 posted... It's demonstrably 88% effective at reducing the occurrence of hospitalization and death from the Delta variant, as confirmed by recent test-negative case-control studies. Your opinion on the matter is irrelevant. My opinion is no less relevant than yours <cite>OhhhJa posted [p:956617163] in CDC to aga... [t:79585453]...</cite> <quote>Clench281 posted... </cite> <quote>It's demonstrably 88% effective at reducing the occurrence of hospitalization and death from the Delta variant, as confirmed by recent test-negative case-control studies. Your opinion on the matter is irrelevant.</quote>My opinion is no less relevant than yours </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Clench281 07/30/21 4:07:46 PM #100:	OhhhJa posted... My opinion is no less relevant than yours First, I don't care what people think about my opinion here because it's not my opinion. I'm referring to work done by experts. Second, even if the above weren't true, in all likelihood your scientific opinion is worth less than mine. --- Take me for what I am -- who I was meant to be. And if you give a damn, take me baby, or leave me. <cite>Clench281 posted [p:956617276] in CDC to aga... [t:79585453]...</cite> <quote>OhhhJa posted... </cite> <quote>My opinion is no less relevant than yours</quote> First, I don't care what people think about my opinion here because it's not my opinion. I'm referring to work done by experts. Second, even if the above weren't true, in all likelihood your scientific opinion is worth less than mine. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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