Poll of the Day > CDC to again recommend everyone mask up in crowded public areas

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All because of people who 1) choose to not get vaccinated, and 2) disobey business requests, i.e. going without masks while unvaccinated




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And suddenly all of the people who threw them under the bus will be back to demanding everyone follow them without question.

Reigning_King posted...

And suddenly all of the people who threw them under the bus will be back to demanding everyone follow them without question.

why are you so fucking obnoxious in every topic

go away

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Mead posted...

why are you so fucking obnoxious in every topic

go away

When ppl have nothing of value to contribute and have no sense of fulfillment they fall back on seeking negative attention

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Mead posted...

why are you so fucking obnoxious in every topic

go away

"They hated him because he spoke the truth."

If you don't like me put me on ignore.

Clench281 posted...

When ppl have nothing of value to contribute and have no sense of fulfillment they fall back on seeking negative attention

He has the exact same posting style as a (supposedly) conservative race baiting troll on Politics board. Right down to bringing up his own race as some kind of gotcha or legitimacy for his shitty viewpoints. Either it's an alt, copycat or random dumbass. Given how small this place is though I'm betting on one of the first two.

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MeteoricBurst posted...

He has the exact same posting style as a (supposedly) conservative race baiting troll on Politics board. Right down to bringing up his own race as some kind of gotcha or legitimacy for his shitty viewpoints. Either it's an alt, copycat or random dumbass. Given how small this place is though I'm betting on one of the first two.

Absolutely obsessed aren't you? No need to derail the thread with your personal vendetta.

Should have never gotten rid of the suggestion in the first place.

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Judgmenl posted...

Should have never gotten rid of the suggestion in the first place.

yes it should have been obvious that ppl selfish enough to avoid vaccination would also be selfish enough to lie / pretend to be vaccinated to get out of wearing a mask.

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It's almost as if they should never have said it was okay to stop requiring masks in the first place.

Who could possibly have foreseen such an outcome?

Only a truly brilliant and somewhat sexy stud of a man could have predicted that a poorly-worded statement issued by people who seem to lack anything resembling a grasp of sociology was going to backfire spectacularly. If only such a glorious specimen of manhood had said something at the time (and not been ignored).
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Reigning_King posted...

"They hated him because he spoke the truth."

If you don't like me put me on ignore.

I dont dislike you, but you dont need to be roaming topics looking for dumb arguments

there is already more than enough of that

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Reigning_King posted...

"They hated him because he spoke the truth."

They also hated the guy who smeared feces all over himself and ran around bumping into people while screaming.

Being hated or mocked doesn't automatically make you a misunderstood visionary. Sometimes it just means you're a dumb asshole.
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Mead posted...

I dont dislike you, but you dont need to be roaming topics looking for dumb arguments

there is already more than enough of that

...Fine. I'll leave you all to it.

Someone let the CDC know they can suck my balls.

BlackScythe0 posted...

Someone let the CDC know they can suck my balls.

you can tell them, Im sure theyre on twitter

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Mead posted...

you can tell them, Im sure theyre on twitter

Their Twitter content is great

https://mobile.twitter.com/cdcgov/status/1411052116165152772

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Mead posted...

you can tell them, Im sure theyre on twitter

I'm not

No thanks. I took the risk of the injection and now im going to embrace not suffocating my lungs and heart while i workout at the gym. I lost a year and a half worth of muscle mass. its taken me about 2 months and im just barely getting back to where i was.

great now Minnesota numbers are increasing again. People didnt do their part and now the kids are being put at risk. It wont be long until the masks return here.

teddy241 posted...

No thanks.

I dont think it works like that

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im out. y'all did this. i cant afford to lose my muscles again.

now theres gonna be a run on toilet paper, home fitness equipment, Switch OLED despite the limited technical increase from the regular switch, computer monitors and cars

make me
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teddy241 posted...

i cant afford to lose my muscles again

I am the most likely person to be sympathetic with your concern but I don't see any reason to worry with gyms remaining open and available, but maybe requiring you to wear a mask


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teddy241 posted...

im out. y'all did this. i cant afford to lose my muscles again.

now theres gonna be a run on toilet paper, home fitness equipment, Switch OLED despite the limited technical increase from the regular switch, computer monitors and cars

They just want you to wear a mask, not bunker down and avoid all contact with strangers

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teddy241 posted...

No thanks. I took the risk of the injection and now im going to embrace not suffocating my lungs and heart while i workout at the gym. I lost a year and a half worth of muscle mass. its taken me about 2 months and im just barely getting back to where i was.

Lol. Im sure it was a devastating loss. And you can work out in a mask, I did it for months.

Krazy_Kirby posted...

make me

we accept your terms

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I never stopped wearing my mask outside even after I got my two modernas lol

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They need to release another Animal Crossing I guess

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Nice, now I can hide my face again.

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ParanoidObsessive posted...

Only a truly brilliant and somewhat sexy stud of a man could have predicted that a poorly-worded statement issued by people who seem to lack anything resembling a grasp of sociology was going to backfire spectacularly. If only such a glorious specimen of manhood had said something at the time (and not been ignored).

I tried, but alas, people were too intimidated by my unfathomable genius and sexual magnetism.

teddy241 posted...

now im going to embrace not suffocating my lungs and heart while i workout at the gym.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/11/201105112934.htm

Masks do nothing to limit oxygen intake. You can work out just fine with one on. Any sense that you can't is all in your head.

Reigning_King posted...

And suddenly all of the people who threw them under the bus will be back to demanding everyone follow them without question.

Why do you think this is a matter of politics and not empirical reality?

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Metalsonic66 posted...

They need to release another Animal Crossing I guess

we accept your terms

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adjl posted...

Why do you think this is a matter of politics and not empirical reality?

I don't disagree with you there. I just think it's hilarious how the same people who were screaming stuff like "Trust the science!" and "The CDC knows more than you ever could, don't rely on your own feelings/thoughts/research and just do whatever they tell you to do!" followed along and hand waved contradictory bullshit like how they said masks weren't needed back when this started, as long as they were making people more frightened, but the second they say something optimistic and in the opposite direction suddenly they're a bunch of heartless idiots who can't be trusted. If they do fully flip flop on this I expect their fanatics turned detractors to flip flop accordingly.

Reigning_King posted...

I don't disagree with you there. I just think it's hilarious how the same people who were screaming stuff like "Trust the science!" and "The CDC knows more than you ever could, don't rely on your own feelings/thoughts/research and just do whatever they tell you to do!" followed along and hand waved contradictory bullshit like how they said masks weren't needed back when this started, as long as they were making people more frightened, but the second they say something optimistic and in the opposite direction suddenly they're a bunch of heartless idoits who can't be trusted. If they do fully flip flop on this I expect their fanatics turned detractors to flip flop accordingly.

I think youre over generalizing but youre right. There is some level of hypocrisy that has taken place for some. These are strange times. But I think it is clear that the only way we can actually start to get this country back on the right track is by most of us agreeing to work together towards common goals.

Things will never get any better while people are split down the middle like this. If we find out things about covid in the future then we have to react to that information even if it proved that what we are doing now is the wrong approach.


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Mead posted...

Things will never get any better while people are split down the middle like this.

The problem is, that split doesn't just apply to Covid - and it's never going away because neither side is really willing to understand or compromise with the other, and the Internet only exacerbates and radicalizes extreme positions. No one's ever really going to listen to or accept the other's position when everyone views everyone else who disagrees with them as "the enemy", and dismisses them out of hand.

The split is likely to continue getting much, much worse over the next few decades, not better.

People blamed Trump for causing the divide (and the hostility), but it was already growing long before that. The blowback of the last five years was more a symptom than a cause.
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Reigning_King posted...

I don't disagree with you there. I just think it's hilarious how the same people who were screaming stuff like "Trust the science!" and "The CDC knows more than you ever could, don't rely on your own feelings/thoughts/research and just do whatever they tell you to do!" followed along and hand waved contradictory bullshit like how they said masks weren't needed back when this started, as long as they were making people more frightened, but the second they say something optimistic and in the opposite direction suddenly they're a bunch of heartless idiots who can't be trusted. If they do fully flip flop on this I expect their fanatics turned detractors to flip flop accordingly.

Imagine thinking "taking new information into account and adjusting accordingly" is "flip-flopping"

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Clench281 posted...

Imagine thinking "taking new information into account and adjusting accordingly" is "flip-flopping"

You just described the conservative hivemindset to a T.

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Fact 1: "Masks don't work" was stated in the context of preventing you from catching covid. Common masks being used by most people are relatively ineffective at preventing one from inhaling viral particles. Standard surgical masks are mostly intended to prevent a care provider from spewing pathogens onto a patient. When care providers are dealing with patients that have serious communicable disease, additional equipment is needed (including face shields and respirators). All of this information was known long before covid.

Fact 2: wearing a mask can result in increased likelihood of contracting disease when not done properly. Mishandling your mask by touching the inside surface (bad) with your fingers (the most likely things to touch contaminated surfaces); touching your face accidentally (again with dirty fingers) while trying to place, adjust, or remove your mask similarly can increase transmission. Ideal solution is to wash your hands before handling your mask and only touching the ear loops. This was all known long before covid.

Fact 3. People with covid symptoms were explicitly told to self quarantine if they had any symptoms. People with covid symptoms should NOT be out in public except for testing or receiving medical care, and they were instructed to wear a mask when going to the doctor to reduce the chances they would spread it to health care providers.

Fact 4. Before late March/early April, it was thought that covid was spread by people with symptoms.

With these observations in mind, it is clear why surgical/cloth masks were not recommended for asymptomatic people out in public. Note that it wasn't "we recommend (asymptomatic) people don't wear masks," it was "we do not recommend (asymptomatic people) wear masks." If you do not see the difference, try reading that again. If you think backlash against masks is bad now, imagine if it was recommended that everyone wear masks regardless of symptoms before there was evidence it was necessary.

Which brings us to ...

Fact 5. Starting in late March, it became evident that people with asymptomatic and mild covid were major drivers of spread. At this point, there was a rationale for universal masking in public: because you may be spreading covid while entirely unaware of it. While not that effective at preventing you from inhaling viral particles, surgical and cloth masks do catch a great quantity of them trying to escape your body while breathing, talking, and sneezing.


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Reigning_King posted...

I don't disagree with you there. I just think it's hilarious how the same people who were screaming stuff like "Trust the science!" and "The CDC knows more than you ever could, don't rely on your own feelings/thoughts/research and just do whatever they tell you to do!" followed along and hand waved contradictory bullshit like how they said masks weren't needed back when this started, as long as they were making people more frightened, but the second they say something optimistic and in the opposite direction suddenly they're a bunch of heartless idiots who can't be trusted. If they do fully flip flop on this I expect their fanatics turned detractors to flip flop accordingly.

They change their guidance based the situation. Cases are on the rise again because of anti mask and anti vaccine nutjobs. Whatever contradiction you think you see doesn't exist.

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Important detail to add. The CDC recommendations are for areas with high transmission risk (COVID hot spots) while indoors in public places. If your county has a low case load / high vaccination rate, masks are not recommended to be required for vaccinated people.

The CDC is not exploring the idea of recommending that all vaccinated people wear masks indoors no matter where they live or how much the virus is circulating in their community.

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ParanoidObsessive posted...

The split is likely to continue getting much, much worse over the next few decades, not better.

Everything has its breaking point.

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Mead posted...

Everything has its breaking point.

The breaking point usually winds up with people dead and things even worse.
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Reigning_King posted...

I just think it's hilarious how the same people who were screaming stuff like "Trust the science!" and "The CDC knows more than you ever could, don't rely on your own feelings/thoughts/research and just do whatever they tell you to do!" followed along and hand waved contradictory bullshit like how they said masks weren't needed back when this started, as long as they were making people more frightened, but the second they say something optimistic and in the opposite direction suddenly they're a bunch of heartless idiots who can't be trusted.

Except that's not really the case at all, and most of the people complaining aren't really complaining for the reasons you're implying.

It's more a case of...


The CDC: Okay, the research suggests people won't need to wear masks if they're vaccinated.

Idiots: Hey, did you hear that? Everybody can take their masks off now!

The CDC: No, that's not what we said.

Idiots: Everybody can take their masks off! Woo! Party!

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Idiots: Hey, wait, why are the infection numbers going up?

The CDC: Because you didn't actually listen to what we said. Also, everyone should probably start wearing masks again because you're all fuck-ups.

Idiots: Waaah! The CDC are evil and stupid!


It also doesn't help when the US can't even get to 70% immunized to at least get something resembling herd immunity because stupids gotta stupid.

But hey, I'm sure everyone will happily take personal responsibility and the blame for not getting vaccinated once we end up with a resistant strain and we wind up going back into another year-long lockdown, though. Everyone will obviously treat it with seriousness and the respect that it deserves, and will in no way blame literally everyone other than the people who are actually responsible for being fuck-ups. Or demand for it to end early because they're tired of being cooped up or having to be inconvenienced in any way.
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At this point we basically have another recurring disease like the flu at this point right? It is going to be endemic.

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teddy241 posted...

i cant afford to lose my muscles again.

'my muscles are more important than immune-compromised people's lives'
toxic masculinity in action

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DrPrimemaster posted...

At this point we basically have another recurring disease like the flu at this point right? It is going to be endemic.

Which would be fine if it wasn't something that had such a high fatality rate and multiple long-term severe side-effects.

The only real hope at this point is that it'll eventually mutate down into something less virulent (which is how viruses usually evolve long-term), but that doesn't really help in the short-term at all.
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Imagine how bad it will be when we get a pandemic that we can't easily vaccinate against

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ParanoidObsessive posted...

Except that's not really the case at all, and most of the people complaining aren't really complaining for the reasons you're implying.

lol, nice alternative history of something that happened like three months ago.
https://youtu.be/nctWidPTtwI

Plenty of people who claimed they were to be listened to without question before got their panties in a bunch and started questioning them for this "horrible" choice, that's a fact. I mean I'm not even saying they were wrong to complain, I'm not vaccinated and I ditched my mask a few weeks before that even and haven't worn one in public since so the whiners were correct but it just goes to show their orginal point about the CDC was always bullshit and that they're a bunch of hypocrites.

Reigning_King posted...

alternative history

the irony

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ParanoidObsessive posted...

Which would be fine if it wasn't something that had such a high fatality rate

Sub 2% and only if you disregard the vast number of cases that go undetected because they're asymptomatic or have very mild symptoms as well as disregard that 80% of fatalities have preexisting conditions meaning the covid in concert with other illnesses is what kills them not just the covid, as well as disregard both the artificial and situational bloat in that number from various sources.

Read up on the Black plague or something.

Reigning_King posted...

I can't read

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