Board 8 > Is there any Smash DLC character that won't disappoint the Internet?

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Lopen
07/14/21 7:13:17 PM
#51:


StealThisSheen posted...
The story with Jin had been that he was trying to suppress it, while Kazuya did not. Kazuya's is definitely the more iconic look of the two, though, as he's the old purple Devil people remember.

Sounds like Kazuya is Akuma and Jin is Ryu here

So if you want notoriety Ryu you go Heihachi
Story Ryu you go Jin
Fandom Ryu you go Kazuya

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ctesjbuvf
07/14/21 7:19:17 PM
#52:


Lopen posted...
Fair enough but I don't think the argument is very good if you're throwing Kazamas into "the family" because you're further diluting the pool of main character candidates

Though for what it's worth as a casual Tekken observer Jin seemed like a better choice than Kazuya for Devil geners. He had the Devil side character first and had that side mode in Tekken 4 or 5 IIRC where Kazuya didn't, right? Also always associated him as closer to the "main Tekken guy"

The first two games was basically Kazuya vs. Heihachi. Jin was introduced in Tekken 3 which was the only one where Kazuya was absent. Heihachi is the only one of them to be playable in every game (Paul, Nina and Yoshimitsu are too though). Kazuya returned in 4 again and it was about all three of them in 4-6 (and other family members or part-family members). Jin might have been the bigger poster boy in that time. 7 returned to being Kazuya vs. Heihachi again.

I suppose with Tekken 3 probably being the biggest one, Jin might look like the main Tekken guy, but he was completely absent in the original two games and not relevant at all in the latest one either, which are again all about the other two candidates. Smash picks tend to be about original or latest versions and Kazuya specifically is the main guy in Tekken 1 and 7 (it's Heihachi in 2). Jin might have been that in 3-5 (it's probably Lars in 6), but Kazuya was at least still very relevant then which is not true the other way around.

This is a longer post than I intended. Point is that if you've followed the games, Kazuya and Heihachi make a lot more sense, and then Kazuya had the devil gene so he won.

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StealThisSheen
07/14/21 7:25:21 PM
#53:


Yeah, at the end of the day, the story basically started with Kazuya and ended with Kazuya, and now he's primed to be the big deal of the next one since He killed Heihachi off

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KamikazePotato
07/14/21 7:29:17 PM
#54:


Honestly this topic was ended on the second post

Dante would have been the most universally-well-received character that pissed off the least amount of people. Now it's probably Crash, I guess?

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StartTheMachine
07/14/21 7:31:02 PM
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Master Chief is my most wanted and I can't imagine him not getting a very warm reception. Microsoft needs some real representation, because neither Banjo nor Steve feel like Microsoft properties at all (with the former being beloved for his N64 games and the latter's game being available on everything known to man).

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TomNook
07/14/21 8:03:58 PM
#56:


KamikazePotato posted...
Dante would have been the most universally-well-received character that pissed off the least amount of people. Now it's probably Crash, I guess?
Dante got shit on all the time because people hate Bayonetta, and they keep calling him Male Bayonetta.

Crash is one of the most hated because people call him "Banjo without the bird" and Banjo is already one of the lowest scoring DLC characters in most polls ( I honestly have no idea why people hate Banjo these days...I thought he was pretty harmless before he entered Smash).

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HeroDelTiempo17
07/14/21 8:24:57 PM
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There's still no Sony reps, right? It'll never happen because I don't expect them to play ball, but it's for exactly that reason that I don't think we'd see many complaints if Kratos, Nathan Drake, or Ratchet showed up. Outside of the few remaining console war fighrers.

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KamikazePotato
07/14/21 8:27:22 PM
#58:


TomNook posted...
Dante got shit on all the time because people hate Bayonetta, and they keep calling him Male Bayonetta.

Crash is one of the most hated because people call him "Banjo without the bird" and Banjo is already one of the lowest scoring DLC characters in most polls ( I honestly have no idea why people hate Banjo these days...I thought he was pretty harmless before he entered Smash).
Yeah neither of these are true. I frequent Smash forums/reddits way too much and have seen comments along these lines maybe once or twice over the span of years

Banjo is relatively disliked now because of his gameplay, not the character itself

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StartTheMachine
07/14/21 8:53:03 PM
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HeroDelTiempo17 posted...
There's still no Sony reps, right? It'll never happen because I don't expect them to play ball, but it's for exactly that reason that I don't think we'd see many complaints if Kratos, Nathan Drake, or Ratchet showed up. Outside of the few remaining console war fighrers.

Snake, Cloud, and Sephiroth all feel so much more like Sony reps than Banjo and Steve feel like Microsoft reps. To me, they 100% are Sony reps. This is why I want Chief

That and Halo music

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Waluigi1
07/14/21 8:59:40 PM
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HashtagSEP posted...
The problem is half the roster is only "why" because everybody has different wants and anybody that isn't one of those wants becomes a "why." That's why there's no real choices that wouldn't disappoint "the internet," because people are always going to be disappointed if they don't get exactly who they want.

It could have literally been Sora, Master Chief, Crash, Dante, Goku, whoever else are the popular choices and people'd still complain if they didn't get their Geno or their KOSMOS or their Shantae or whoever they personally wanted, and as we know complainers are obviously the loudest and so it'd still give the impression of "the internet is disappointed."
All of this.

There is no right answer, people are gonna be upset no matter what.

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NominateMoogles
07/14/21 9:07:53 PM
#62:


Waluigi1 posted...
All of this.

There is no right answer, people are gonna be upset no matter what.


there is a right answer.

Its Goku. Anyone who complains about Goku is the same who would have complained for Cloud or Sonic, legitimately just doing it to be contrary. You go out with one of the most famous characters period in all of fiction, no one is complaining.
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KamikazePotato
07/14/21 9:11:46 PM
#63:


NominateMoogles posted...
there is a right answer.

Its Goku. Anyone who complains about Goku is the same who would have complained for Cloud or Sonic, legitimately just doing it to be contrary. You go out with one of the most famous characters period in all of fiction, no one is complaining.
Most of the polls I've seen on message boards have the majority of people not wanting Goku in. Are they everyone? No. But there's a large contingent of people out there that only want video game characters in Smash, and that alone DQs Goku from being the best consensus pick.

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Waluigi1
07/14/21 9:28:59 PM
#64:


NominateMoogles posted...
there is a right answer.

Its Goku. Anyone who complains about Goku is the same who would have complained for Cloud or Sonic, legitimately just doing it to be contrary. You go out with one of the most famous characters period in all of fiction, no one is complaining.
I really hope this is just a joke.

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MoogleKupo141
07/14/21 9:30:34 PM
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aside from the not originating in a game thing, I just think Goku is boring. I dont even want to play as Goku in actual DBZ games, so like... no thanks.
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NominateMoogles
07/14/21 9:39:47 PM
#66:


MoogleKupo141 posted...
aside from the not originating in a game thing, I just think Goku is boring. I dont even want to play as Goku in actual DBZ games, so like... no thanks.


he can be boring. But hes the DB character who would get in obviously. Like MegaMan X is 1,000 times the character MegaMan is, but MM was always getting the nod.

Vegeta or Trunks would be the best (bonus points for Trunks having a sword) but Goku would get the nod everytime
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paperwarior
07/14/21 9:43:53 PM
#67:


Really the discourse in certain places online, including our local Ultimate board, is so stupid that there is no consensus about anything.

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Accel_R8
07/15/21 1:09:26 AM
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Yeah, would love 2B. She's certainly become an iconic character from the more modern times, she's collabbing with a lot of other games already.

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ninkendo
07/15/21 1:33:19 AM
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Nanis23
07/15/21 2:02:10 AM
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I like 2B and would be happy with her in
But is she universally known? wouldn't people prefer a more mainstream character?

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ChaosTonyV4
07/15/21 2:04:35 AM
#72:


Ezio Auditore

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UF8
07/15/21 3:02:29 AM
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i think rhythm heaven wrestler could've been well-received if incineroar didn't fill the niche he could've had (wrestler would be slower and probably have more i-frames though which doesn't help)

paper mario is still one of the ones i want most and it's a shame the fanbase is awful now and there are enough marios for it to disappoint people anyway (even if he'd play quite differently)

that topic series a while back made me realise i want a metal slug rep but that's just me

phoenix would probably honestly disappoint unless he played basically the same way as his umvc3 version but if he did he'd automatically be my top pick really (at least ultimate is roughly fast enough to justify making him play like that)

still difficult to look past the likes of dante or hayabusa or alucard (even with other cv reps). shame they all got confirmed not

there are also so many franchises under companies like bandai namco or capcom or sega or konami etc that could've had a slot that i honestly hope another crossover fighter comes to fruition in the future (whether as a new subseries in namco's x series or otherwise)
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UF8
07/15/21 3:08:29 AM
#75:


also i still hate that one fake leak that had mach rider because damn it mach rider would've ruled
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Nanis23
07/15/21 3:28:05 AM
#76:


UltimaterializerX posted...
Who cares? 2B has an incredibly high Q rating.
I read that as "high IQ" and suddenly dreaded the idea of Pickle Rick in Smash

Thanksfully he isn't a video game character

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voltch
07/15/21 3:37:43 AM
#77:


Saber Artoria would likely be well received in Japan.
Given the obscene numbers Fate pulls in it's more mainstream than a lot of franchises that made it in to Smash already.

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UF8
07/15/21 4:55:31 AM
#78:


if we strictly think popular in japan then i think reimu should be the first choice now tbh

would be one hell of a left field thing to end on too
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Paratroopa1
07/15/21 5:09:52 AM
#79:


In order to minimize the number of haters, it has to be someone who:

  • Well liked, not obscure or niche
  • Video game character
  • Japanese
  • Not a sword user
  • Not a fighting game character
  • Not a 'waifu'
  • Not already a common player in the Smash culture war
  • Not already deconfirmed
The only characters who I can really think of who fit this criteria are one of the RE protags (Jill, Chris, Leon) or Black Mage. The list is getting really small at this point!
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Nanis23
07/15/21 5:26:12 AM
#80:


Paratroopa1 posted...
RE protags (Jill, Chris, Leon)
Fuck protags
Give me Wesker

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KamikazePotato
07/15/21 5:37:33 AM
#81:


Paratroopa1 posted...
In order to minimize the number of haters, it has to be someone who:

* Well liked, not obscure or niche
* Video game character
* Japanese
* Not a sword user
* Not a fighting game character
* Not a 'waifu'
* Not already a common player in the Smash culture war
* Not already deconfirmed
The only characters who I can really think of who fit this criteria are one of the RE protags (Jill, Chris, Leon) or Black Mage. The list is getting really small at this point!
I don't think it necessarily has to follow every rule. Sephiroth was the 2nd-most accepted Smash DLC pick outside of Banjo, just because he's Sephiroth.

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voltch
07/15/21 5:58:31 AM
#82:


Paratroopa1 posted...
In order to minimize the number of haters, it has to be someone who:

* Well liked, not obscure or niche
* Video game character
* Japanese
* Not a sword user
* Not a fighting game character
* Not a 'waifu'
* Not already a common player in the Smash culture war
* Not already deconfirmed
The only characters who I can really think of who fit this criteria are one of the RE protags (Jill, Chris, Leon) or Black Mage. The list is getting really small at this point!

Isn't that just Kiryu?

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ChichiriMuyo
07/15/21 6:02:06 AM
#83:


Gengar

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Nanis23
07/15/21 6:28:33 AM
#84:


ChichiriMuyo posted...
Gengar
"Another Pokemon?"

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voltch
07/15/21 6:33:18 AM
#85:


We don't have a Galar rep, so if each FE entry gets 1 Rep then wheres Cinderace?

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MZero
07/15/21 6:38:39 AM
#86:


Tidus

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Waluigi1
07/15/21 11:28:35 AM
#87:


The chances of the final character being a Pokmon are extremely high. I can only imagine how mad the internet would get.

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andylt
07/15/21 11:44:33 AM
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The Smash fanbase is insatiable. If it's another JRPG protag, swordsguy or fighting game character people will be furious. If it's first party people will consider it a waste. A portion of the fanbase is at the point where if it's not one of their personally beloved niche picks like Geno/Isaac/Shantae they will be unsatisfied, and of course many people will be unhappy if it is one of those.

The big third party mascots would be divisive too. This is the last character and people have their own stake in this now, it's as if people don't even want to be surprised anymore! Of course it's not entirely the fanbase's fault, Smash Bros absolutely encourages all this ridiculous hype. Satisfying the most people would mean being a large third party character who is already on the radar of fans but different enough from the others that have been added and with a wide enough base that they're recognisable, so... yeah I dunno. They've set themselves up for disappointment, here.

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Lopen
07/15/21 11:45:48 AM
#89:


andylt posted...
Satisfying the most people would mean being a large third party character who is already on the radar of fans but different enough from the others that have been added and with a wide enough base that they're recognisable, so... yeah I dunno. They've set themselves up for disappointment, here.

All roads lead to Master Chief

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swordz9
07/15/21 11:49:14 AM
#90:


Doom Guy?
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NominateMoogles
07/15/21 11:54:20 AM
#91:


andylt posted...
The Smash fanbase is insatiable. If it's another JRPG protag, swordsguy or fighting game character people will be furious. If it's first party people will consider it a waste. A portion of the fanbase is at the point where if it's not one of their personally beloved niche picks like Geno/Isaac/Shantae they will be unsatisfied, and of course many people will be unhappy if it is one of those.

The big third party mascots would be divisive too. This is the last character and people have their own stake in this now, it's as if people don't even want to be surprised anymore! Of course it's not entirely the fanbase's fault, Smash Bros absolutely encourages all this ridiculous hype. Satisfying the most people would mean being a large third party character who is already on the radar of fans but different enough from the others that have been added and with a wide enough base that they're recognisable, so... yeah I dunno. They've set themselves up for disappointment, here.

Bird Studios/Shueisha
One of the most recognizable designs in the world
Not remotely like anyone.
One of the 20 biggest media properties in the world. (#2 in Japan, only to Pokemon)

Dragon, Dragon, Rock the Dragon!

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Waluigi1
07/15/21 11:57:57 AM
#92:


Who is NominateMoogles anyway?

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andylt
07/15/21 11:59:19 AM
#93:


I feel like Chief would still be divisive. I think he'd be cool but I guess some think MS already has their rep with Banjo+Steve or they just don't like him. Doomguy is a good shout.

Waluigi1 posted...
Who is NominateMoogles anyway?
MWC


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swordz9
07/15/21 11:59:41 AM
#94:


Waluigi1 posted...
Who is NominateMoogles anyway?

You couldnt immediately tell its MWC?
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NominateMoogles
07/15/21 12:02:24 PM
#95:


Waluigi1 posted...
Who is NominateMoogles anyway?


A guy who realistically only has one thing left he cares about on B8.

That is nominating all the FF VI Moogles for SMFFFC. Feel free to join me next year and all subsequent years. I estimate it will take 7 years to get them all in.
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KamikazePotato
07/15/21 12:04:47 PM
#96:


Doomguy would be good but I don't think he's Japanese enough to be on Sakurai's radar

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voltch
07/15/21 12:12:27 PM
#97:


We don't have a SpikeChunsoft or Koei Tecmo rep do we.

Monokuma let's go.

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Zigzagoon
07/15/21 12:13:42 PM
#98:


Monokuma would make me so happy

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Leonhart4
07/15/21 12:15:22 PM
#99:


swordz9 posted...
You couldnt immediately tell its MWC?

Yeah, he's not as belligerent as he used to be, but he still has a distinctive posting style.

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NominateMoogles
07/15/21 12:20:30 PM
#100:


Leonhart4 posted...
Yeah, he's not as belligerent as he used to be, but he still has a distinctive posting style.


no reason for belligerence. Im just here to Nom Moogles.
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