Board 8 > Is there any Smash DLC character that won't disappoint the Internet?

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Considering how the next Smash DLC character is going to be the last...for god knows how many years before the next Smash game (if there will be..)
I have been thinking about it - which characters can please the majority of the people? surely, you can't please everyone. Some people will be disappointed no matter what.
But I can't think of many characters that are so universally loved that most people will be happy that it's the final character. It seems like such a high bar to clear

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I've barely seen any hate for Dante honestly.

Oops, just a Mii Costume though lol

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Goku
Sora

Thats the list. Even Crono, Dante, and Geno would disappoint some people

Waluigi

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Ganon
Eggman
Master Chief
Phoenix Wright
Crash
Kratos

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NominateMoogles posted...

Goku
Sora

Thats the list. Even Crono, Dante, and Geno would disappoint some people

Goku didn't originate in a game and tons of people viciously hate Sora.

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There's never going to be consensus on the internet

that being said, I think Crash, Sora, and Waluigi would be the most universally appealing choices

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Id be a bit disappointed with Sora. Like half the dlc has been JRPG characters, Id rather see something else(even though I like most of those JRPG characters).

but also I think Ill be a bit disappointed with anyone because the hope of infinite possibilities will be gone. Sora would be a solid upper middle tier pick for me, I guess.
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Ya as a huge jrpg fan, we've gotten our share with Cloud, Hero, Seph, Pyra/Mythra.

No more fighting game characters either.

Personally, I hope it's some stupid Fire Emblem sword character so that Sakurai goes out with a maximum middle finger to everyone.

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Captain Toad
Bub&Bob

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RikkuAlmighty posted...

Personally, I hope it's some stupid Fire Emblem sword character so that Sakurai goes out with a maximum middle finger to everyone.

It's Sigurd's time to shine!

He could ride a horse though, that'd be a funny niche

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I think more people would be happy with the DLC in general if the DLC was more stacked

Like Piranha Plant was probably the best received DLC aside from maybe Sephiroth because it was met with a clean palate

Just throw a bunch of iconic characters in and people won't be too upset by anything. When half your dlc roster is "why" though people have a lot less patience in general

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RikkuAlmighty posted...

No more fighting game characters either.

This. Sick of seeing button-combo characters infect the franchise.

Personally, I hope it's some stupid Fire Emblem sword character so that Sakurai goes out with a maximum middle finger to everyone.

Eliwood FTW!!

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Lopen posted...

I think more people would be happy with the DLC in general if the DLC was more stacked

Like Piranha Plant was probably the best received DLC aside from maybe Sephiroth because it was met with a clean palate

Just throw a bunch of iconic characters in and people won't be too upset by anything. When half your dlc roster is "why" though people have a lot less patience in general

Spot on. Not enough star power in the DLC, especially in Fighter Pass 2.

Ever since Hero/Banjo, the DLC reveals (aside from Sephiroth) have been duds.

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Lopen posted...

When half your dlc roster is "why" though people have a lot less patience in general

The problem is half the roster is only "why" because everybody has different wants and anybody that isn't one of those wants becomes a "why." That's why there's no real choices that wouldn't disappoint "the internet," because people are always going to be disappointed if they don't get exactly who they want.

It could have literally been Sora, Master Chief, Crash, Dante, Goku, whoever else are the popular choices and people'd still complain if they didn't get their Geno or their KOSMOS or their Shantae or whoever they personally wanted, and as we know complainers are obviously the loudest and so it'd still give the impression of "the internet is disappointed."

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plasmabeam posted...

Spot on. Not enough star power in the DLC, especially in Fighter Pass 2.

Ever since Hero/Banjo, the DLC reveals (aside from Sephiroth) have been duds.

he wasnt personally exciting, both Kazuya really shouldnt be considered a dud. Tekkens a big series.
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If they weren't already AT, I'd say Zero or Alucard.

The only characters anyone has posted so far that currently doesn't get constantly shit on by the community is Kratos. Eggman oddly doesn't get much hate either. I think Ganon would probably be well received too, but it's hard to say the reaction to DLC being a character we already have in a different form, even if they play drastically different. Bubble Bobble guys always get praised in small circles, but not sure what a grand scale would translate ton. A lot of the other replies here are so hilariously out of touch though, because people have posted some of the ones that evoke the most anger from the community.

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Yeah and the key isn't really who it is at this point

Like the last DLC will be hated on regardless of who it is because it's the last one and we've had so many picks that don't really appeal in an iconic kinda way

But if you didn't have a bunch of Byleths and Min Mins people would be happy to see Master Chief or Ryu Hayabusa or Dante or Sora or Phoenix Wright or Crash or whoever else because hey, these are all notable gaming names you don't assume will be in anyway and it's nice to see them in this rumble

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Two people bringing Crash is confusing to me
As far as I know he is not really loved in the Nintendo fanbase and was kinda dead for years until the remake Trilogy came out and then Crash 4
But he is still...less popular than he used to be

Do people really want Waluigi in Smash? or is it just a meme that if something says it enough times it becomes a reality?

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Pink Metal Peach

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To be clear I don't want Crash. Especially not now.

But I recognize him as worthy in the Video Game Pantheon that the Smash Roster wants to be

If the adds were all similar types of characters, people wouldn't be disappointed by a more niche characters once in a while. But when over half of them are it is unfortunate

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Lopen posted...

people would be happy to see Master Chief or Ryu Hayabusa or Dante or Sora or Phoenix Wright or Crash

Doubt

I'm all for Phoenix Wright but let's be honest, he's not iconic in the slightest and that's kinda an example of what I mean. People are just going to insert their favorites as big or "iconic" or whatever and then be disappointed when they don't get in.

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HashtagSEP posted...

The problem is half the roster is only "why" because everybody has different wants and anybody that isn't one of those wants becomes a "why." That's why there's no real choices that wouldn't disappoint "the internet," because people are always going to be disappointed if they don't get exactly who they want.

You have to admit though, nobody had Terry, Byleth, Min Min, Pyra/Mythra, and Jin at the top of their wishlists.

None of these are household names, and that's what's so perplexing about the DLC selections. You would think they would bring in characters with star power or recognizability, but 5 of the last 7 choices are people that even longtime Nintendo fans have to Google.

Not saying that there's anything wrong with niche choices, but come on.

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I had Terry at the top of my wishlist, and even consider him iconic to a degree

But I mean

He should be an undercard type guy that is added after good faith is earned, not someone you throw out when you've had a bunch of whatevers in a row

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Seeing Waluigi thrown in this mix is hilarious. People either want him as a meme or they hate him.

That isn't universal love LOL

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Phoenix Wright.

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HashtagSEP posted...

Doubt

I'm all for Phoenix Wright but let's be honest, he's not iconic in the slightest and that's kinda an example of what I mean. People are just going to insert their favorites as big or "iconic" or whatever and then be disappointed when they don't get in.

PW wasn't meant to be called iconic as much as a guy who would not be met with outrage if the dlc had not disappointed thus far

(And I actually am not entirely sure I'd call Ryu Hayabusa iconic either to be honest, much as I love him)

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Lopen posted...

I had Terry at the top of my wishlist, and even consider him iconic to a degree

But I mean

He should be an undercard type guy that is added after good faith is earned, not someone you throw out when you've had a bunch of whatevers in a row

wait what

he was immediately preceded by Banjo, who was like the most requested character left and Hero whos from one of the biggest series in Japan. If those are whatevers, what would have been good enough?
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I mean Terry's an absolute huge name in fighting games, which Smash has been trying to appeal to for awhile, and Tekken is a huge series. Tekken 7's sold over 7 million. I can get people not digging two fighting game characters as DLC, but acting like they're randos nobody likes is pretty unfair. The other three you named are Nintendo characters which I think gets into another problem in that people would have complained if they didn't include any, and on that front you're not going to win with everybody, either, because there's nobody left in Nintendo that everybody wants.

People are using "niche" to describe "characters I don't like," is the problem.

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I'm not saying Hero or Banjo are whatevers

I'm saying the well was already poisoned at that point. By the time Terry Bogard was released you needed Banjos and Heroes nonstop or else people would be disappointed

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Iconic - Terry, Steve, Sephiroth, Kazuya
New Game - Hero, Byleth, Min-Min, Pyra/Mithra
Unique cases - Plant (???), Joker (internet fave), Banjo (long time Smash wishlist character)

It looks like DLC Pack 2 has more iconic reps than DLC Pack 1...! It's just that I think Terry and Kazuya are definitely more central to FGC and Steve is really outside the typical 20-35 year old fanbase.

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Waluigi

I think even his haters would at least understand his inclusion.

Maybe Phoenix Wright as well, but the anime hate doesn't extend to just swordsmen.

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SSBM_Guy posted...

Steve is really outside the typical 20-35 year old fanbase.

I think people overestimate how young the fans of Minecraft always are.

Minecraft came out in the same decade as Majora's Mask...

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Geno and Mallow

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I don't think Steve is a character people really care about

I realize minecraft is big. I know several people who have played minecraft for over 10 years

Not one of them talks about Steve. You put a creeper assist trophy in and it'd probably appease them more

Terry Bogard on the other hand he's iconic to fighting game fans, but I mean on the whole? Not really. To be clear I wasn't disappointed in the least by Terry Bogard but I completely understand why people were.

Kazuya on the other hand, I'm not sure I even respect as sufficiently iconic to fighting game fans. Tekken is pretty ensemble. He's a significant character but it's not like he's the Ryu of Tekken or anything.

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Geno would have been well received if he was like the first character, but that's an example where the vocal fanbase got so obnoxious with each reveal that it has poisoned the well with the average person and now people are probably more against the character than for it.

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Lopen posted...

I'm not saying Hero or Banjo are whatevers

I'm saying the well was already poisoned at that point. By the time Terry Bogard was released you needed Banjos and Heroes nonstop or else people would be disappointed

Im not sure nonstop Banjo/Heros was even a possibility. Were in so deep roster-wise, there just arent that many characters at that level who you could reasonably expect them to add.

I feel like people just got their hopes too high. Joker wasnt poisoning the well, he was setting a sort of baseline expectation for what was to come.
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Lopen posted...

Kazuya on the other hand, I'm not sure I even respect as sufficiently iconic to fighting game fans. Tekken is pretty ensemble. He's a significant character but it's not like he's the Ryu of Tekken or anything.

Eh, I disagree with this pretty heavily. Tekken's the one series that has had a consistent storyline for literally the entire series, and it's always been about the Mishimas first and foremost. Kazuya also regularly finishes in the top 3 in both popularity polls and usage statistics.

I think the main difference between Ryu and Kazuya is that Ryu got famous as "generic fighter guy" and Capcom actually went super hard in embracing that. They've just about avoided giving him much of an actual character specifically not to hurt that image. They want him to be the character you think of when you think of generic fighter/karate guy, and it worked for them. The reason Kazuya isn't as big is because they've focused more on the actual character and the story moreso than trying to get his image over as much as possible, but that doesn't make him less iconic to the community.

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And like the sad thing is Tekken probably deserves a rep too, no denying

But I mean I'm not sure it has a character that feels like a big deal. There are other major characters like Jin Kazama too, who aren't Mishimas, which further dilutes the argument of who the main character is

I wanna say Heihachi is a better pick, but he's not a LOT better or anything. My main point is not that Kazuya isn't the Ryu of Tekken as much as Tekken doesn't feel like it has a Ryu to begin with... but if you were trying to pick Ryu you accidentally picked Ken probably.

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TomNook posted...

I think people overestimate how young the fans of Minecraft always are.

Minecraft came out in the same decade as Majora's Mask...

There are definitely older fans, but it tends a lot more toward kids than most franchises represented in the game. I played the game early on, but I was already like 18. It was just another thing. For kids and very young adults its something they grew up with.
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Lopen posted...

I wanna say Heihachi is a better pick, but he's not a LOT better or anything. My main point is not that Kazuya isn't the Ryu of Tekken as much as Tekken doesn't feel like it has a Ryu to begin with... but if you were trying to pick Ryu you accidentally picked Ken probably.

This part's an interesting argument, actually. Kazuya's definitely more popular than Heihachi (Jin is, too), but they've kinda set people up to expect Heihachi by tending to have him be the go to crossover character. So it's an interesting case of Kazuya being more popular with the actual audience, but Heihachi being more expected by people outside of that audience due to exposure.

Popularity-wise, atleast, they picked the right character, since Kazuya's really been the only mainstay consistently finishing at or near the top throughout the series. Jin's been close but tends to finish below him, and then others kinda shift in and out depending on the time/game. Lately it's King and Marshall, but it's also been Paul and Nina and so on. Kazuya's the only one that's never fallen out of that top 3.

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We're already getting Powdered Toast Man in Nickelodeon All-Star Brawl so I don't see Smash doing anything to top that at this point.

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Well I feel like among SF fans Ken is more popular than Ryu too

Certainly not as clean-cut as Kazuya > Heihachi but yeah

Heihachi also just straight up looks more like "that dude from Tekken" to me. Kazuya's look isn't very classic.

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Lopen posted...

There are other major characters like Jin Kazama too, who aren't Mishimas

He has his mother's name sure, but he's literally the son of Kazuya Mishima. You can't really go let's pick someone not from this family and then mention Jin. All games were about that family first and foremost and Jin was the center of it in 3-6.

Lopen posted...

I wanna say Heihachi is a better pick, but he's not a LOT better or anything.

I get the point here. Sakurai specifically said in the Kazuya presentation that Heihachi wasn't chosen because Kazuya has the series iconic devil gene (Jin has too) and Heihachi does not. Otherwise it might as well have been him, yes.

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ctesjbuvf posted...

He has his mother's name sure, but he's literally the son of Kazuya Mishima. You can't really go let's pick someone not from this family and then mention Jin

Fair enough but I don't think the argument is very good if you're throwing Kazamas into "the family" because you're further diluting the pool of main character candidates

Though for what it's worth as a casual Tekken observer Jin seemed like a better choice than Kazuya for Devil geners. He had the Devil side character first and had that side mode in Tekken 4 or 5 IIRC where Kazuya didn't, right? Also always associated him as closer to the "main Tekken guy"

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I assure you nobody would complain if the final character was a Game Boy.

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Sakurai himself is the only character people would accept

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_stingers_ posted...

Sakurai himself is the only character people would accept

But only if he has a sword with a downB counter.

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Lopen posted...

Fair enough but I don't think the argument is very good if you're throwing Kazamas into "the family" because you're further diluting the pool of main character candidates

Though for what it's worth as a casual Tekken observer Jin seemed like a better choice than Kazuya for Devil geners. He had the Devil side character first and had that side mode in Tekken 4 or 5 IIRC where Kazuya didn't, right? Also always associated him as closer to the "main Tekken guy"

Nah, Kazuya had it first, and was literally the "Devil" character, and the story is he passed the gene on to Jin. The story with Jin had been that he was trying to suppress it, while Kazuya did not. Kazuya's is definitely the more iconic look of the two, though, as he's the old purple Devil people remember.

Kazuya's also very much the main character of 7, all things considered. Jin takes a pretty big back seat to Kazuya and Heihachi, there.

I think they did try to make Jin the main character, kinda like the push to make the Kilik/Xianghua/Maxi trio the main characters of the Soul series, but neither took quite as well as they liked, and ultimately the story kinda circled back to the original mains, anyway (Kazuya and Siegfried, respectively) so they just went ahead and changed the marketing push back to them for the latest entries.

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It's going to be Reptar to help launch the Nickelodeon smash scene.

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