Board 8 > If anyone was wondering about my mafia championship qualifier game

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This was the setup

TOWN
1x Doctor
1x Motion Detector
1x Vigilante (1 shot, can't fire night 1)
9x Vanilla

MAFIA
1x Roleblocker (can't choose same target consecutive nights)
2x Vanilla

I rolled vanilla town

Another VT claimed Motion Detector first post

The real Motion Detector countered later in day 1 (and proceeded to get modkilled during N1)

The vig also claimed day 1 and was a type of player who literally only says scummy things. Like he claimed vig and someone said "wait is vig what a scum would claim in this situation" and his reply was "well yeah it would make sense to claim vig as scum but why would I do that"...like, born to be mislynched. This vig claimed RB'd after night 2 and then....shot me Night 3 after the doctor, yes the doctor, was lynched over me by a 5-4 votecount.

It ended in a flawless victory for scum but I was the least wrong town tbqh!

I had 2/3 scum pegged day 1 but it was 2 players who are well known/respected etc. and are more in the clique or whatever than I am. Everybody was like "blah blah this Turbo guy is stubborn and unhelpful" as I was begging them to lynch scum and they're like "lol you just don't know these players like we do" and I was like ok well they're scum have fun

Overall positive experience, I got to do the Champs thing but more appropriately, Champs got to experience the Puns thing.

I kept my temper/angst in check well. There was only one player I said a couple things to that I felt slightly bad about but when I got confirmation my scum read on that player was accurate I felt not bad ("I'm embarrassed to be in the room with you, you're stinky" - the implication was stinky and undesirable just meant you're mafia but yeah)

That game sounds like a trainwreck.

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TurboPuns posted...

apparently I'm really good at this game because when I see the game and react to it people are like holy crap he's assumed way too much accurate information

SilverKeith posted...

Yeah.

For you to make that vote you'd have to assume that I am scum, Mera is scum, DC is town, and Aersol is town. Because according to you that vote was specifically made to worsen my and Mera position in thread.

You don't know those things. Yet you're acting like you somehow have a complete picture of the game. Like, y'know, a wolf would.

If you thought that information was accurate you'd be conveying it here and being desperate to get thread to /see/ I'm a wolf.

Yet everybody here is not only assuming I'm town, but also I'm likely to die tonight, yet it doesn't seem to bother you one. single. bit.

Looking back at this post after the game ended was pretty great.

The above is from a day 3 conversation.

I made a last second vote switch on Day 2 which swung the lynch off one VT and onto another VT.

My reasoning (which I couldn't explain until Day 3 b/c deadline) was, my scum reads are both voting on the second place lynch and my gut says this lynch is Town/Town ergo if it goes through like this, we're just gonna spend all next day going after the other Town. So I swung the lynch to avoid giving those two scum a free day to just coast by harping on their lynch choice that failed before.

Scum comes in sussing me like "you clearly know who has what roles!" lmao nope I just uh, played the game a time or two and made some reads ya know

Player meta is what made me really dislike playing mafia. Glad that town lost.

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'Begging to lynch' is unfair, more like, 'insisted often they were scum'

You have brought much shame to B8

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to GameFAQs actually

Is there a scumboard with any posts from the scum being annoyed by your reads?

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Would not be surprised at all at you butting heads with Keith. I don't remember playing with him but I know he has a stubborn reputation

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You sure this wasn't Town of Salem?

Only thing different in that idiocy is that you weren't shot night 2 because "you were quiet"(Also Vigs kill themselves if they shoot town in ToS).

Lynching a doc claim over a vanilla claim absolutely earns town a well deserved defeat.

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Getting worked over by SK scum and dying on day 3 in champs is a gamefaqs tradition that I started, don't worry about it

Well, we're still happy for you Puns!

(also Seems like it was a good call to never branch out into other mafia communities myself then)
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Forceful_Dragon posted...

Is there a scumboard with any posts from the scum being annoyed by your reads?

Most scunming is over discord these days

htaeD posted...

Well, we're still happy for you Puns!

(also Seems like it was a good call to never branch out into other mafia communities myself then)

MU can be fun.

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MU games, even champs games which are like half people who have barely an idea what they're doing, are so much higher quality than the ones here that it's not even funny sorry

Paratroopa1 posted...

MU games, even champs games which are like half people who have barely an idea what they're doing, are so much higher quality than the ones here that it's not even funny sorry

How so? Because this game sounds like an absolute trainwreck.

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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

How so? Because this game sounds like an absolute trainwreck.

I read it, it wasn't really

To be clear, Puns' personal frustrations from his POV make perfect sense, but from my POV as a spectator this scum team was going to be really hard to beat in a champs setting

I dunk on Keith every time I play him lol

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I could have...how to put it...tried harder, I guess.

Like they weren't entirely wrong about me being stubborn in my approach I just happened to also be correct.

I saw the types of players I had to work with and when I imagined the style/approach/effort I would need to muster to have a better chance I was just not motivated to reach for it. Just gonna do me at the end of the day.

It was kinda annoying how people wouldn't even consider SK not being town though.

Like, more than one townie made a post specifically telling SK and me "you are both town stop fighting" buh

As for the doc lynch, it was tied with seconds left and I hadn't voted him yet

I almost didn't tbqh but then the vig probably would've shot the doctor or something

Some of the crap SK said that I pointed out and they still couldn't get the blinders off

He called me scummy for NOT reacting with OMGUS when someone voted me late in the day

He called me scummy for having *gasp* FOUR reads by the end of day 2

He called me scummy for things by literally taking what I said and later being like "You're the one who said [opposite of what I said]"

I mean when you see someone stretching things to that degree and won't consider them as scum smh

turbopuns3 posted...

For you to make that vote you'd have to assume that I am scum, Mera is scum, DC is town, and Aersol is town. Because according to you that vote was specifically made to worsen my and Mera position in thread.

You don't know those things. Yet you're acting like you somehow have a complete picture of the game. Like, y'know, a wolf would.

i like how he claimed scum here lmao

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Indeed

Oh yeah lol

One VT was new to MU/Champs and decided on the brilliant play of choosing two veterans to openly sheep/pocket the whole game

Yeah it was the two scum

I started trying to work him over eventually. He's the VT I saved with the vote swap D2

Day 3 the sheep was saying things to me like "Turbo, you honestly think makes sense to lynch one of SK/Ephemera today when we still have no scum flips and there's other options still"

And I'm like "well, I think they are scum so yes lynching one of them seems fine"

And just, ugh yeah

So it's like it was 3.5 scum for a few days lol

Oh and that VT who sheeped the two scum cast the losing vote at LyLo while both of those wolves were alive and I had just flipped town

Am I out of whinings yet, hm

self ISO reflection notes

my first two posts were "hey gang" and "##vote: Chris"

I underexplained my perspective behind the reasoning for my vote, which led to some discussion, I suppose

my fourth post of the game I called Foxxi town, figured Chris probably was town for his reaction to my tomfoolery, and called Ephemera scum for their reaction to my underexplained perspective post. dang what a start tbh

my fifth post I called the doctor town. that's literally all it said "kyle can be town with fox"

post 6 I made a joke about Clue (the board game) in which I put 3 names of people I either presently or previously suspected (Chris/Esooa/SK - 1/2 (I was gut reading Chris town by this point I just wanted a name of someone I'd looked at to make the joke have 3 names don't ask me why)). scum SK deflected here in reaction to the joke by pulling out the "can't lynch me day 1 because we all agreed it's a thing" card.

did a little hanging out with esoo et al, defended doctor's towniness

offered up hey I have played a scum game on this account where I won in F4 take a look if you want (Esooa would later point out how vastly different my play looked)

oh yes, my pet favorite post of mine haha. When I came in and pointed out how hey, everyone listen up, my post where I called Foxxi town and Ephemera scum is being twisted to say I was calling them both scum. if you believe the message was they are both scum then it creates a contradiction with where I clearly said in the FIRST line of the post "Foxxi is my top town read". I clarified unambiguously, quoting post #54 from Ephemera and doubled down saying look, I am not casting any shade on Foxxi at all here it is specifically Ephemera for a specific post which I referenced specifically. I guess town probably just didn't care enough about what I was saying to ever really pay attention much. So maybe something for me to work on would be, I guess just try to build more relationships within the game. And cut off scummy relationships sooner rather than later.

then I somehow forgot I had been townreading kyle lol, because later I specifically made a neutral statement about him, which momentarily replaced my opinion of him in my game picture or what have you. I start to misread TL but pump the brakes and say it'll depend on what they come up with. then I double down on my SK scum read, calling specifically his posturing of feeling so pressured to perfecto the game felt off. I also addressed that yes I know this is a social group I'm not a part of but ya know this guy just like he a scum boi iykwim

called out SK misrepping my play to make it look scummy. asked do players usually tell you that you seem like a manipulative town player lol

I alluded to a player kyle reminded me of, it was pj btw

got momentarily distracted by a Esooa/tsp interaction which was rooted in their being a post cap. d'oh.

call Aersoldorf a bad lynch and likely a valuable and reasonable player, good to give him a chance to prove himself.

asking Esooa questions about SK's play - specifically, calling Mendes the top town

deny Esooa's insistence I vote (4h 41m til deadline)

tsp suggests me pointing out that SK called mendes is a joke? I don't understand why he thought this? even Mendes was like "yes SK said I am top town". tsp making me elaborate on that was weird.

I concur with Aersoldorf, town read of mine, accurately on a town read of the real motion detector, thewingfan (TWF). I look at tsp sideways after the counter

dude my reads list 77 minutes to go is just really good let's be honest.

Aersoldorf - do not lynch until promise of effort goes unfulfilled. was town.

Babe - said there's nothing to say in defense of this slot. there wasn't. they just dipped with a whole 24 hours left or something. was town and the D1 mislynch when town (myself also) kinda compromised on an inactive oops I guess.

Chris - seems like town, seems worth respecting. ended up dead N1. was town.

D2DC - haven't read closely yet, they aren't solving a lot but there was a shaky case built against them, check for now. was town and I mean I planted that flag firmly later on down the road, hardly ever looked back on this. I literally last second saved this slot D2 (to kill Aersoldorf but you get what I'm saying here)

Ephemera - just straight up "still scummy here's why". was scum.

Esooa - kinda paranoid of them but not worth focusing on yet, could by lynched if they look scummy toward deadline we'll see. was town and I never really doubted much D2 I don't think.

Foxxi - good feels. was town.

JKBear - "maybe" is literally all I wrote. the born-to-be-scummy vig who can't prove himself until N2. I mean it's like the default take so yeah. and we died together N3 when scum shot him (how ironic his role confirmed him that much)

kyle - I wrote "sticking with town" this was the doctor

mendes - "if SK flips scum (accurate) I will stare sideways really hard at him but he's probably town (accurate)" my dudes

SK - "he's working 'too' hard". was scum.

twf - "joy" is all I wrote. the MD counter-claim but also my aersoldorf mindmeld town read prior to claim.

tsp - the VT who first post claimed MD. I criticized the play but said Chris is probably town and Chris said don't look at it like that so I'm rolling with it.

TL - "feeling town" which was wrong.

more later maybe

turbopuns3 posted...

Esooa - kinda paranoid of them but not worth focusing on yet, could by lynched if they look scummy toward deadline we'll see. was town and I never really doubted much D2 I don't think.

wait this is not true at all lol

I just liked Esooa more than the rest of the homies4life or whatever by the end of D2 is what it was.

continuing from after reads list

again not presenting my point quite properly enough hurt me I guess. I was hurried and careless with my phrasing when I said "hard stance implying" that was too jarring and didn't resonate with people. I could have described what I was seeing better.

compromising on Babe wagon though this is 50 minutes til deadline still

tsp shaded me for having too many town reads. I only had one that was wrong in my entire player list so like >_> maybe it was just where I left too much hypothetical wiggle room for JK because I was forgetting at that point in time that vigilante could not fire night 2.

I point out how SK is just hustling to stir up a whirlwind of content but not really go anywhere or do anything with it. convincing a wolf they're a wolf to some extent but it would be cool if people did read it and jive with me ya know.

20 minutes to go I'm listing SK/Esooa/Mera as who I'm looking at which is 2/3

then I vote JKBear because he's scummy af and none of those other lynches have of a backing welp

I agree with SK on which of two town makes for a better lynch, Babe or Mendes. tough to say overall given Mendes ended up ML at LyLo but idk

I tell tsp to chill since he's voting me without ever going into why he thinks I'm scummy. this is the post SK called me out as being scummy for based on not responding to tsp with OMGUS lol

back to Babe with 2 minutes

end of day 1

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so yeah I could have push a case on either of SK or Ephemera I guess but didn't go that route. not sure how effective it could have been. could have made a better effort to read the other slots better before eod (D2DC, TL, etc.) but just blah day 1 starting on my final day of a vacation and then scum being two of the top posters just kinda yeah.

*real MD modkilled during N1*

lol Motion Detectors, amirite?

*chris town*

Mendes votes me to start and I'm like good we haven't connected what's up. I guess he couldn't keep up with my thought process or something. He's under the impression all I've done is make jokes. Mendes also calls it funny that Ephemera survived the night lol.

I point out SK is manipulating ("micromanaging") by insisting town play a certain way in according to his liking.

I hang around interacting with town for a while. not a lot is achieved by just ya know discussing things

SK there to make it muddy whenever possible

post 1988

(this is a single post by me on MU. quoting SK when it looks like this)

Posted by TurboPuns July 2nd, 2021, 03:24 PM

Originally Posted by SilverKeith on July 2, 2021, 12:07:58 AM

Like, Turbo is accusing Mera/Foxxi of being all "hmmm this is a good point" regarding his sus of Chris, so when they NK Chris they can push on turbo. But this didn't even happen.

This, right here, is exactly what I mean when I say SilverKeith is disingenuous. Holy cow. You are calling my day 1 reaction into question based on the day 2 actions of ephemera, and shading me somehow by this?

Does nobody else see that? SK is twisting things in very strange ways to shade me - and he does it CONSTANTLY (it seems like to me).

His tony read is interesting bc it states that we should lunch tony if he isn't an MD. Tho I didn't see him follow on this at all so @TurboPuns what's your take on tony?

my gut take on Tony is he's probably scum for lying in the way that he did with the double down. but my logical mind says, Chris was town and was apparently seen in the light I figured he was considering he died night 1, so that is a very significant factor for me in judging tony considering how meta heavy of a case it is, being a post 1 claim in an open setup etc.

Ephemera asking me if they're scum or not, I say I thought you were day 1 and you very well could be but I haven't caught up to current on Day 2 yet

SK pretty bad slip admitting day 1 isn't a big deal which kinda grossly contradicted his, well, entire MO against me

post 1998 I call out how SK is posturing to just call me scummy and look like a leader or whatever

I elaborate in my next post in more detail about specifically what has been twisted and how he is starting to build what would become a habit of magically missing highly relevant posts whenever it's convenient to help him shade somebody.

well heck here's what I wrote day 2 when tsp asked me about the day 1 eod

was getting near end of day, decision time, I selfishly would like to have lynched SK or Ephemera or Esooa and I am perfectly aware that I didn't put forth an effort do make that happen. Frankly, in my home community there is a fake "club" of people who just utterly dismiss day 1 as being ceremoniously "not that big a deal at all because eff day 1" and personally, I've grown more similar to that crowd over the years. I can't take it *all* that seriously. So I kind of just make a point to keep up with the main goings on and then be around for the last bit for sure. I could tell by just reading the room that my outsider first time champs player gut was not going to sell a lynch on a player such as the ones I named within the last hour or so. Like, it wasn't going to happen and I didn't care to try to make it happen. On my home site I definitely would have played that a little differently and tried to directly CFD one of my targets, but here in this context the risk(+effort)/reward didn't line up with a good play or a good time for me there. Babe was a kind of meh compromise. JK made it seem juicy because he seemed like caught out scum. Then the claim, and quite frankly I stick by what I said that lynching JK over Babe was better after the claim still. Like, we're still talking about JK. who honestly cares about the vig shot, let's solve the game ya know. Babe is a big question mark and we got a modkill and a leftover JK problem. Blah.

I point out to tsp how him feeling better about SK being town based on Chris dying N1 goes against my gut and well who cares SK is just more town whenever a thing happens it doesn't seem to matter what the thing is

LOL at me telling TL "don't worry SK already called me scummy for this"

Ephemera asked:

@everyone: could you give a list of four players (no more no less) you have concerns about?

I offered:

SK
Ephemera
Esooa
JK

scum/scum/town/town

lol at me replying to Foxxi saying "I like what I've seen from SK today" with "did you read what he said about me?"

tsp called my list "worse than aero's" and I "raaaawr"'d at him

I pose the question name a scum team that would not choose to shoot Chris night 1. my point was hoping some people would realize a team that would not shoot Chris is maybe similar to the team that is not SK/Ephemera or whatever but the team did shoot Chris hmm. it didn't lead to anything.

calling the Aersoldorf hate "baffling"

Posted by TurboPuns July 2nd, 2021, 07:08 PM

Originally Posted by SilverKeith on July 2, 2021, 12:54:45 AM

I don't wanna feel like I'm the bad guy here making everyone to dedicate their 100% on the game to have to catch up with the $%#!ers like me who are (figuratively*) addicted to this. You don't, and what is more, if you're on vacation, you shouldn't. That's not what I'm pushing you for. Take your time and do your $%#!. Then show us results and we'll work with that.

this kind of posturing just reeks to me. like he's asserting the position of "let's work together to get your play in line with what I approve" and he takes this approach on pretty much all matters. this might not grate me so much if he didn't get almost everything he ever says about me wrong.

I recognize tsp is scumreading me and try to find common ground to work on

QFT with an "amen" when Aersoldorf points out the clique nature is going to spell doom for town because wolves are in the imaginary circle of perfect trust

I could always be wrong - we have seen zero scum flips after all - but my vibe is more like a whole "yep we're definitely team best buds in this town..! ..HEH...HEH..." thing going on. two of like SK/Esooa/Ephemera or something as I've pretty much alluded to throughout. it feels like a team that would have a couple of the top players/posters on it which would give them the confidence to just roll forward once Chris and whoever else are gone. "bah, how dare you question me, 100 post peasant" kinda stuff once they pick up momentum. basically I feel like SK just piles crap on top of crap so that he has an impressive height to his crap pile which he will later simply point to and go "look at allll the crap I dug up on them!"

end page 2 of my ISO

paraphrased exchange between tsp and I:

me: tsp we need to talk if you honestly think I'm scum
tsp: ok, what do you wanna do today
me: lynch sk
tsp:

I'm going to level with you. This isn't going to happen. Choose again.

real quote from a real "town core" member in response to considering SK as scum

more of my mindset about the bigger picture reads here in response to Mendes

Posted by TurboPuns July 2nd, 2021, 09:23 PM

Originally Posted by MendesHotter on July 2, 2021, 09:17:44 PM (#2234)
i cant really see there not being a deepwolf

aers/dc/foxxi/kyle/jk/TL/TP

how many of these can we see a 3 wolf team

if foxxi or aers are scum I could probably see them with anyone because I'm likely horribly misreading them somehow.

if the team was like, dc/kyle/jk I would not be certain they'd shoot Chris which was something I kinda tried to allude to earlier. I felt like Chris was probably just shot out of respect for his experience in past champs games? it's entirely possible my mental image of people's pedigrees and past experiences is wrong

more calling out SK for low key shading me

are you helping us solve or are you like just creating a big spaghetting monster of SK approved remarks that muddy everyone's understanding of everybody else

after getting fed up with SK I vote Ephemera

sad how esooa said tsp is towny because he's staunchly townreading SK to "keep the thread from eating itself" roger that Eso

jiving with Esooa on never w/w read of foxxi/tl pretty useful if I'd been at MyLo/LyLo maybe

2586 I case ephemera but nobody cares sadface. esooa defends them and I'm like walk me through this like a child how Ephemera is town from this and nobody can ever do it nor care to they just insist Ephemera is town

got distracted by vig-who-talk-scummy again

Trustworthy Liberal (3rd scum) trying to leverage the night kill to make SK look good and I call it into question (which tsp is like "yep absolutely! town SK babay!!!!")

Posted by TurboPuns July 3rd, 2021, 04:58 PM

Originally Posted by Trustworthy Liberal on July 3, 2021, 12:03:59 PM

Could this be because SB isn't here (Maybe) but i think he would just do the same with someone else think chris dieing looks good for Sk as well for that reason on top of wolfs hitting into "towncore" ussaly means that well they don't want that there (or it was a doc dodge?)

can I visit this question again - why does chris dying look good for SK? it's the second time I've encountered this point of view and in both cases it's just taken for granted but the reasoning is a mystery to me

I wistfully wish Foxxi could be scum because it would make my job easier. Alas.

starting to come around fully on D2DC as town. "how can anyone vote this man"

regrettably I go after kyle the doctor here, and it's because I'm trying to force myself to "be a team player" and choose among the "consensus" lynches which were generally just all town lynches. I even say I am grasping at straws lol

more calling out ephemera for being like "I can't explain it just yet, but soon, oh just you wait, next time we talk about Turbo, I'll have a case on him..!"

I mean honestly look what they wrote:

Originally Posted by Ephemera on July 3, 2021, 09:32:08 PM (#2857)

because i have thoughts on turbo but they'll take a while to articulate fully

time that right now i don't think i have

if i'm alive tomorrow i'll get them out yeet

^ that is with 30 minutes left people lol wut

I attempt to level with Ephemera and say seriously explain to me in words other than "cute" or "town core" why SK/Esooa can't be scum, I mean see I tried a little to work with them. This one happened to be scum so didn't cooperate too much lol

decided to vote Aersoldorf over D2DC.

*Aersoldorf town*

*Esooa town*

I vote SK to start Day 3 and explain my end of day actions. this is the post that made SK focus on attacking me with the "you can't know all this stuff but you're playing as though you do!" line

as for what was going through my head there

I didn't expect either of them to flip scum (accurate)

I was on D2DC primarily because tony said we should never chop kyle day 2 so I pivoted (tony town, kyle doctor, good)

with little time left I noticed a few things:

1) SK/Ephemera both on Aersoldorf (scum/scum on town)
2) Ephemera really petitioning for the lynch hard, saying D2DC is way more likely town, etc. (scum theatre from a self-proclaimed theatrical player)
3) tony saying he wouldn't mind seeing Aersoldorf flip but that if there was a wolf between Aersoldorf/Turbo then Aersoldorf was the more likely town (town on the D2DC lynch indicating they'll probably support scum in lynching town tomorrow after this mislynch)

At the time D2DC was leading in votes and very much on the block. I thought, if Ephemera is scum then D2DC is probably town here (accurate). It pretty much looked like D2DC was going down and Ephemera was still sticking their neck out. That could be a wolf/wolf play sure but ehhh.

So if w!Mera meant t!D2DC then I was basically guaranteed looking at a town/town situation or, the other case being mera town right.

If Mera is town there, being this confident Aersoldorf is scum, and SK is *also* on this wagon, then lord help us if we lynch D2DC day 2 and the flip is town (which I kinda expect?). Then what's going to happen Day 3? We know what's going to happen. SK and Mera going after Aersoldorf would produce a dust storm the size of Texas from all the misinterpretation and fingerpointing etc. And then the other contingent would likely start looking at me (accurate) and I am also town.

TL;DR if Aersoldorf and D2DC were both town then we do not have time to mislynch them both (accurate probably imo?) and if we had to do one I felt Aersoldorf lynch brought way more clarity to the game for many reasons. sorry Aersoldorf I actually loved you we mindmelded on like everything

to be continued

People referring to you as "turbo" makes that impossible for me to decipher -_-

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turbopuns3 posted...

could not fire night 2

until night 2, rather. Thus claiming it day 1 less likely coming from scum

seems a shame not to finish this, let's see how much we can get done here

JKBear, the scummy vig, called me out for thinking Aersoldorf was still alive after he was lynched last second BY ME. guys, lol. the scummiest town player ever. Like tries to call me scummy based on reasoning of "he seems to think this player who is dead is still alive" when the post I wrote seriously ended with me apologizing directly to that player for lynching them. My goodness. Ok moving on.

I point out again for everyone how SK has taken something I said and randomly inserted a fake made up scummy thing into it. Like he quotes me then transitions from quote into paraphrase but the paraphrase is just something he invented out of thin air. And my town teammates pay so little attention nobody notices. SK naturally has the audacity to defend himself completely making up crap out of nowhere, knowing full well nobody is paying any attention.

oh yeah, the time when SK tried to convince me he was town based on the fact Esooa died lol....lol

me to SK:

I don't have like 24 free hours out of 48 to put in the work it would take to convince this group of players to listen to me to lynch you, at least not at this point in the game. they might listen when there's more of a trail of flips later,

^ I'm just like "yeah I mean I'm confident enough you're scum I just don't care enough to muster the tremendous effort it would take" lol sorry guys should have sent me a few years ago I guess I don't care though this was fun

oh yeah, SK had Esooa in his town core day 2, esooa died and flipped town, and when asked on day 3 by JKBear who was in the town core he was like "now I have NO IDEA anymore" lmao how do people actually eat this stuff up. Finding out your town read was accurate throws you off COMPLETELY apparently

JKBear: i know i asked this earlier but not sure that I got a response. Who are we considering town core quote on quote

SilverKeith: Yday this answer would've been TSP/Mera/Esooa/Me, perhaps mendes.

Today I have no idea.

Also I think Esooa prolly had some more accurate takes than the average player of this game and also was a strong townie.

Idk what this implies for the ppl that were paranoid of her.

TurboPuns: this is a serious question

how does a town core work if finding out that someone in it was town means you go from knowing the town core to having no idea

SK called me scummy by suggesting I could have spent all 24 hours of night phase polishing my "explanation" for my vote. lol the mvp scum is literally leaning in to the "puns is so accurate he's scum" angle.

more of me calling the entire concept of "I declare who the town core is then work from there" scummy and pointless

SK tries to hook me under his wing of "OMG I just realized we are BOTH town you HAVE to believe me" and I'm like "lol ok smart guy no sorry" to which he obviously makes it out to be like "LOOK HOW UNCOOPERATIVE TURBO IS, WON'T EVEN BOW DOWN AND WORSHIP ME"

I eventually reached the point of telling SK "very few of your posts compel me to engage with you"

I ramble a bit about how fake town pr breadcrumbs are stupidly easy and safe for scum to do in an open setup

me in response to people calling out my list of 4 (in light of flips I guess):

I don't understand the SK town reads, not saying they're invalid just that what I see is someone constantly muddying conversations everywhere and sticking their finger in every pie without actually achieving anything then shading others for not playing like he does more or less. He acts like he's some kind of champion of activity yet he routinely overlooks key relevant posts made by his targets (this happened with me and Aersoldorf both iirc). You all are like "aww lol good ol' SK" and I'm like this guy is a whirlwind of anti-helpful content.

Of course there's bias in that but there's quite a bit of objectivity as well.

Anyway.

I read into and put stock into Esooa's ISO

oh yeah! when I was looking back over the latter part of day 2 which I'd missed and saw the SK quote which proved my gamestate read 100% correct (I mean I can't prove I hadn't read these posts at eod2 but I hadn't ok) regarding scum planning to push Aers the next day etc.

Esooa: yeah it's extremely $%#!ing weird

okay I'm back to D2DC idk this is hard

##Vote D2DC

SilverKeith: Sigh.

I'll do this under the condition that If this is a townie get my prefered lunch tomorrow if I'm alive.

I don't care if this sounds scummy.

Esooa: who is your preferred lunch

SilverKeith: (I don't know)

(((Aersol))). Maybe Kyle.

TurboPuns: holy bonkernutnoodles batman

TurboPuns: I didn't even see this exchange happen day 2 yet I divined it in the final moments of the [day] are you kidding me

I reference tsp/esooa suspecting D2DC near eod2 and offer this gem:

I read this whole exchange (note: I removed one post from Esooa asking 'why' because quote limits or whatever) and I'm left wondering if tsp and esooa aren't just stretching with like, awkward forced champs meta reads because they are reluctant to scumread SK/Ephemera?

I mean I know I'm going to be compared to a broken record but. anyway, still reading

me reaching out to tsp and trying to get him to look back at his own day 1 posts which now with current data point to Ephemera as scum:

so @tonystarkprime this post, it's 2 hours into the game. in retrospect now and knowing that this case ephe made which your referencing basically boils down to "JK wasn't putting out content early on" do you still feel like granting the pass was the right call?

I've been reading Ephemera/Kyle m-ISO and I have to say Ephemera really just hung back a ton for day 1 and asked questions without pushing then was like "look at me I will post a CASE" and sat on it. and the case is just...this obviously scummy player isn't doing anything great. and I think they've just like, flirted with SK and Esooa a lot to be frank? lol so the townreads are like given out as candy

I start going down a rabbit hole on Kyle's ISO because when the reality was Kyle was so uber pocketed by Ephemera day 1 he couldn't see straight, what I was thinking at the time was oh Kyle is powerwolfing with Ephemera, like that's how in lock step they were lol

exhibit A for the day 1 pocket, from Ephe:

strongest townread is still probably kyle though because /damn/ that thought process feels exactly how i was approaching this game
etc etc

I have my little conspiracy theory about Kyle/Ephemera. At one point I noticed they both had lots of my town reads on their lists of 4 suspects (Ephe's was 4/4 town and Kyle's was 3/4 town (had TL, neither of SK/Ephe)

I tell SK directly to pretty much stfu get over yourself and stop expecting me to care what you think or engage with you lol

post 3839. I'm quoting a post which came from a scum who in their post also quoted a different scum. so me quoting scum quoting scum. The original post in this trilogy was Ephemera's "here's everybody's answers to my super duper helpful questions" post, the middle post was Trustworthy Liberal going "hmm yes based on all this amazingly helpful scientifically credible and definitely trustworthy data we obviously conclude that the team is: townA/townB/townC" and I'm like

I just want to point out I think this POE approach Ephemera brought forward has potential to be easily manipulated by scum. I mean if you're going to say we ought to chop someone just because three people named them on a list of FOUR names like. Can't we just try a little harder than that and talk about real cases etc. This is lazy and letting wolves just lead town off a cliff

Ephemera polls the game again, this time instead of 4 scum they ask for 1 town. I name tsp. good job me. tsp said sk. smh.

D2DC hitting me with the real hard stuff here:

D2DC: Turbo, you're the one that is most on SK/Mera. Do you really believe either of them are worth town spending one of our remaining lynches?

TurboPuns: I don't know what to tell you. Do I think there could be a wolf in SK/Ephemera? Well yeah I do. So do I think they're worth a lynch? Kind of the same question, no?

lol at me seeing an SK post like 20 lines long, quoting the first line and two words and then being like "I'm not reading past this he's already lost all credibility"

5 of 7 ISO pages done

They revealed the vote results for which players from my game will advance to the semifinal round. To be perfectly honest I believe we could have just run the vote without bothering to actually play the game and gotten the same results. The game was a popularity contest and the popular players rolled scum and then were lauded over for cruising on their popularity.

I know, I lost, the game is about being persuasive etc. Just pointing out my perspective

I feel like all Mafia communities become cliquey but yeah I thought MU was very very cliquey.

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page 6 iso

I've town read Foxxi so much I'm getting metaparanoid of how not paranoid I've been

accepting JKBear is town

Posted by TurboPuns on July 6th, 2021, 03:09 PM

Originally Posted by D2DC on July 5, 2021, 10:33:27 PM (#3624)
- Foxxi, then SK and TSP ALL DROPPED VOTES ON TURBO at 9:59+ after a point where Turbo actually had the most votes (p#1528). Yet, on D2 ALL THREE list Turbo as one of their top 4 sus.

only my home community will truly understand how much I am smiling rn

^ I played with suspicion on me the whole game but they'd never commit until well JKBear committed for them

post 3914 from me is so just, like, on the nose for the whole game:

Posted by TurboPuns on July 6th, 2021, 03:20 PM

Originally Posted by tonystarkprime on July 5, 2021, 11:58:54 PM (#3641)
New conclusion: Esooa townread at least one wolf

cute

(if it's not clear - SK/Ephemera/Esooa all repeatedly called each other "cute" in the thread while they were alive and it was overplayed because 2/3 of them were scumming. tsp refused to read them as scum. esooa flipped town and he said this and I'm like no shit)

the moment when SK called me scum for knowing who mafia was and that it was him lol

Ephemera had the audacity to indirect shade me for being late to reply to their tremendously super helpful questionnaire and throwing in a ridiculously scummy math line. There were I think 10 players alive. 8 responses were in. 3 scum is known. and they're like "yeah there's two pending answers but based on blah blah I feel the results we have in already are mostly coming from town" so I'm like:

"no kidding"

oh here we go I actually explained it in game:

Posted by TurboPuns on July 6th, 2021, 03:56 PM

Originally Posted by Ephemera on July 6, 2021, 03:59:14 AM (#3799)
also a bit /eyes/ at the people who didn't answer because how hard is it really to name your strongest townread

ephemera has I'm just gonna say it, whined about their question so many times now, I swear. It's like such a softball, hey I'm gonna toss out a question and just make up some conclusion from the data and then point at anyone who didn't play my game

I can see the town approach but I don't know how much I really value what's coming out of it.

feels like cover for a theatrical scum to me

^ like shoo boy I really just called it out

guys I have to be honest, I actually felt like Corrik in this moment as I posted this:

Posted by TurboPuns onJuly 6th, 2021, 03:58 PM

Originally Posted by SilverKeith on July 6, 2021, 04:24:33 AM (#3805)
A part of me is a bit mad because none of ya are afraid of my wolfgame. It feels like a disrespect to it :<

if noticing that SK just told you guys to be more like me doesn't get you to at least double take lol

just read this exchange between tsp and myself and well, I'll let it do the talking:

tonystarkprime : like turbo can be right but usually hes not and if he is then i dunno what Im supposed to do about it

TurboPuns: honest question what all have I been wrong about exactly. this feels like a stretch >_>

tonystarkprime: when i say this I mean that in a set of situations very similar to this one, based on game state, I think in most of them fmpov you are not correct

and actually saying this I think it's false but i just want to townread Ephe

TurboPuns: right

D2DC, the town I saved day 2, became SUCH obvious town by day 3 that tsp said "if D2DC is scum who kicked him into shape" lol. like he's a very data-driven analysis kind of player and I picked up on that and he was just like trailblazing paths through the vote count jungle for all of day 3

me summing up ScumSK pretty nicely: "arguing over dumb irrelevant crap which has already been hashed out is what wolves want to do just saying ya know"

I'm starting to get annoyed at how people are not noticing the clearly openly scummy things SK does so I use CAPS and call it out directly with a clear example:

hey LOOK

I am so SHOCKED

it's SK blatantly saying the opposite of something I have clarified in a past post

wow this is so surprising and novel

ok maybe actually 'begging to lynch' wasn't as much of a stretch as I originally thought earlier. I mean this is pretty desperate like can anyone please convince me ephemera is town with reasons give me something

ignoring SK entirely for a second, I still think Ephemera has scum equity for playing generally kind of evasively, or like lurking in the back while making sure to be seen, saying 'hm' a lot but, ya know, just asking questions and going with the flow?

chris saw it. esooa even mentioned worrying near eod I believe?

can someone tell me what is the town ephemera case?

then my next post (and last post before I walk away from the game for a while [I pointed this out]) I'm like also here's yet another reason to suspect SK, his attacks on me today about my day 2 play demonstrate he hasn't even properly read and comprehended my explanation. so I'm basically saying here "hey guys I just did a lot of catch up reading, so I'm gonna take a break, but here's what I think: ephemera is not town. SK is scum. ok stew on that bye" lol

I'm getting fed up here lol: "you post a lot to make up for saying things that make real world sense in reality speak"

toward the final hour I'm really just like not even hiding my frustrations with people ignoring all the accurate things I am saying lol

here it is, my final rant on S!Ephemera as day 3 is winding down:

holy cow Ephemera you're like the laziest scum hunter ever maybe?

I am not implying it was all kyle posted I was drawing focus to the point I wanted him to address

##Vote Ephemera

that's a pitiful effort from you based on just..yeah no

enough talk this slot is scum

this is ephemera people

says nothing for hours and hours and hours

now turbo is scum for quoting a post

guys this is LAY ZEE Ephemera is scum

ephemera I'm embarrassed to be in the same room with you that you are presenting this and acting like you believe you have something

shew you stink tbh

who is going to ISO me after I die

don't take other people's reads for granted look at the facts listen to dead town people

and then my final post is self-pres vote

gg I guess

like yeah being right isn't everything but I was beyond right I was like super right in the face of adversity ya know. good job puns you did good imo

So someone just posted a topic on CE about a player on B8 once getting a bunch of posts moderated when they used the term scum and I was just wondering how much validity there was to the information they gave...

Give me one sec ill post a link to the topic.

This is the post...
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/400-current-events/79572330/956242199

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That would be me. I was moderated 17 times for calling someone scum in a game of mafia. I was the cop that game, and I had scanned someone scum.

So I contested 1 of the 17 moderations with a long detailed post about how calling someone "scum" in mafia is akin to calling someone as "goose" in a game of Duck, Duck, Goose.

And then that 1 moderation was overturned, but they didn't overturn the other 16 moderations that were for the exact same offense.

So I just copy/pasted my appeal and tried to contest the other moderations as well.

Only to learn there is(was?) a hard limit of 5 active appeals at one time, so after I'd started 5 more appeals, I was going to have to wait to appeal the rest.

Only to find out that they determined that appealing 5 identical moderations with 5 identical explanations was "abuse" of the moderation system, and they permanently took away my ability to contest moderations. It was a pretty big deal at the time with lots of people speaking out in support of me for having my account neutered for such a faulty reason.

Ah, good times.

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That was fun. Pretty sure we started calling people ducks and geese for awhile

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-LusterSoldier-
Posted 10/9/2008 9:22:46 PM

Wow, 5 Contest Abuses on one account. I've never seen this before. 1 Contest Abuse is bad enough, but 5 is even worse.

Ah what a fun trip down memory lane, and what a gem of wisdom from @LusterSoldier to help me out in my time of need =P

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I am pulling some accounts back from the grave now <_<

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People talk about turbo games in MU spectator chat so often that vanity searching for mentions of me is a drag

That's too bad that you crushed it so consistently and it didn't matter at all. But it is kind of comforting in way that every online mafia community becomes warped by player meta and ego as much as B8.

The jury advanced me to semifinals

Imagine getting vig shot as town in a scum sweep and being considered among the best