Poll of the Day > Should I get this shirt?

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MasterChiefer
07/05/21 7:37:05 AM
#1:


Should I get this shirt?


Results of the poll will determine my decision.
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Clench281
07/05/21 7:51:18 AM
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A shirt referencing one of the most cringey transphobic/homophobic scenes in film history

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MasterChiefer
07/05/21 7:57:48 AM
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Clench281 posted...
A shirt referencing one of the most cringey transphobic/homophobic scenes in film history
If it was a picture of Jim Carrey puking with it saying Finkle is Einhorn, then I would agree with you that the shirt is in bad taste. This is a shirt referencing Ray before he transitioned.
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ParanoidObsessive
07/05/21 8:06:16 AM
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Voted yes solely to piss Clench off.
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Clench281
07/05/21 8:08:24 AM
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ParanoidObsessive posted...
Voted yes solely to piss Clench off.

Good thing you posted otherwise I never would have known, having not voted or cared to look at the results

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Krow_Incarnate
07/05/21 8:17:08 AM
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It's a brilliant piece of art, so yes.

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OhhhJa
07/05/21 8:18:54 AM
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Clench281 posted...
A shirt referencing one of the most cringey transphobic/homophobic scenes in film history
Oh lawd
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MasterChiefer
07/05/21 11:04:40 AM
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Ordered the shirt. Will be good for football season.
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Mead
07/05/21 11:19:00 AM
#9:


No

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teddy241
07/05/21 11:20:45 AM
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no. Just get the actual Finkle dolphins jersey
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Mead
07/05/21 11:24:25 AM
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OhhhJa posted...
Oh lawd

actually use your brain and think about that scene

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Krazy_Kirby
07/05/21 12:03:57 PM
#12:


OhhhJa posted...

Oh lawd


he still thinks meathead is a compliment
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OhhhJa
07/05/21 12:33:38 PM
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Mead posted...
actually use your brain and think about that scene
It was 1994 dude. The society we live in today wasn't even on the radar back then. But what's the big deal anyway? So what if Jim Carrey didn't want to make out with a mtf trans? His body his choice
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pionear
07/05/21 12:34:43 PM
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Clench281 posted...
A shirt referencing one of the most cringey transphobic/homophobic scenes in film history

I don't recall this...was it a scene outta the Ace Ventura movie?

But as a Dolphan and NES Fan, yea...
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MasterChiefer
07/05/21 12:48:33 PM
#15:


Ill trust @LinkPizza opinion on whether or not this shirt is offensive.
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Clench281
07/05/21 12:54:01 PM
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OhhhJa posted...
It was 1994 dude. The society we live in today wasn't even on the radar back then. But what's the big deal anyway? So what if Jim Carrey didn't want to make out with a mtf trans? His body his choice

I'm sorry, but you seem to be under the impression that something can't both be both a preference/choice AND a sign of prejudice/intolerance. And that impression just doesn't hold up to scrutiny.

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Mead
07/05/21 1:08:40 PM
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OhhhJa posted...
The society we live in today wasn't even on the radar back then.

For you.

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LinkPizza
07/05/21 1:14:57 PM
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MasterChiefer posted...
Ill trust LinkPizza opinion on whether or not this shirt is offensive.

I was the first person to vote. Ive been up all night. I voted yes to get the shirt. I have lots of T-shirts. And I think other people should also have lots of T-shirts
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OhhhJa
07/05/21 2:28:17 PM
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Mead posted...
For you.
No it just wasn't for anyone dude lol. And yeah, pet detective would probably be canceled before it got released nowadays
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DirtBasedSoap
07/05/21 2:36:09 PM
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there were 0 trans people in 1994 I guess?

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OhhhJa
07/05/21 2:44:49 PM
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DirtBasedSoap posted...
there were 0 trans people in 1994 I guess?
I'm saying there was pretty much zero awareness of it back then. People knew trans people existed but it wasn't the up front social issue it is now. Hence, why you could have a movie like pet detective and nobody made a stink about it
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Mead
07/05/21 3:06:58 PM
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OhhhJa posted...
I'm saying there was pretty much zero awareness of it back then.

That isnt true. Trans people have always been around. Think about every generic sitcom with the tired old joke of hey whatever happened to your uncle Henry? Oh he lives in Nevada now and goes by Barbara

They existed in 1994, people knew it, and they mattered.

Im not saying that means the movie cant be watched and enjoyed or that copies of it should be destroyed or anything, but the fact is that it does portray some pretty harmful and gross transphobia and homophobia. People need to understand that. Thats all.

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adjl
07/05/21 4:36:34 PM
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OhhhJa posted...
I'm saying there was pretty much zero awareness of it back then. People knew trans people existed but it wasn't the up front social issue it is now.

Which means we can now look back and say "wow, that was pretty tasteless."

What you're saying basically amounts to "they made this joke because they knew trans people weren't popular enough for them to take heat over it." That doesn't excuse much of anything.

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OhhhJa
07/05/21 5:07:09 PM
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adjl posted...
Which means we can now look back and say "wow, that was pretty tasteless."

What you're saying basically amounts to "they made this joke because they knew trans people weren't popular enough for them to take heat over it." That doesn't excuse much of anything.
If you wanna go this route, we'll have to either cancel or put a disclaimer before almost every movie ever made. Times change. We don't need to be a drama queen about it
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Kanatteru
07/05/21 5:12:00 PM
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OhhhJa posted...
If you wanna go this route, we'll have to either cancel or put a disclaimer before almost every movie ever made. Times change. We don't need to be a drama queen about it

youre the only one being a drama queen

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Krazy_Kirby
07/05/21 5:17:29 PM
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OhhhJa posted...

If you wanna go this route, we'll have to either cancel or put a disclaimer before almost every movie ever made. Times change. We don't need to be a drama queen about it


now we have to cancel that post, because you said "drama queen"
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Mead
07/05/21 5:19:25 PM
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@OhhhJa
OhhhJa posted...
Times change.

OhhhJa posted...
don't need to be a drama queen about it

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adjl
07/05/21 5:21:44 PM
#28:


OhhhJa posted...
If you wanna go this route, we'll have to either cancel or put a disclaimer before almost every movie ever made.

That, or you shouldn't get too uppity when people take issue with an offensive joke because society has evolved such that such conduct is no longer acceptable. Times change. No need to be such a drama queen about it.

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OhhhJa
07/05/21 5:26:37 PM
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Pet detective isn't offensive though lol. You have to be able to laugh at yourself sometimes. I think someone asked the other day if comedy should be able to punch down. Well, I think comedy shouldn't have limitations. If it makes people laugh, that's enough. End of story. Nothing about pet detective does anything to actively hurt the trans movement. Quit whining
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Mead
07/05/21 5:29:40 PM
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OhhhJa posted...
Nothing about pet detective does anything to actively hurt the trans movement.

That is some almost impressive cognitive disconnect. You are simply wrong and it is plain as day.

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OhhhJa
07/05/21 5:31:45 PM
#31:


Mead posted...
That is some almost impressive cognitive disconnect. You are simply wrong and it is plain as day.
Oh yeah, prove it then. Prove to me that fucking pet detective has hurt trans people. You can't because it's the dumbest fucking thing I've read all day
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OhhhJa
07/05/21 5:32:37 PM
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Nobody sees Einhorn's character and thinks, "wow trans people are bad!"
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Mead
07/05/21 5:34:15 PM
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OhhhJa posted...
Prove to me that fucking pet detective has hurt trans people.

It cant be proven to you because youve already decided to refuse to believe it. The character breaks down and burns his clothes among other things because he realized he kissed a trans person. Sure its a comedy and I know I laughed at it as a kid, but that kind of thing really does reinforce a lot of homophobia and transphobia in young people.

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Mead
07/05/21 5:36:14 PM
#34:


OhhhJa posted...
Nobody sees Einhorn's character and thinks, "wow trans people are bad!"

you were literally just asked to not be a drama queen

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MeteoricBurst
07/05/21 5:38:12 PM
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My immediate thought was no because that shirt looks horrendous. Wasn't aware of the drama surrounding it until I scrolled down. That wouldn't have changed my opinion though if I had thought it looked good.

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OhhhJa
07/05/21 5:43:45 PM
#36:


Mead posted...
you were literally just asked to not be a drama queen
I'm simply questioning what aspect of this movie is bad for the trans movement. I don't think there's anything wrong with his character not wanting to make out with a trans character. Everyone has their sexual preference
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Kanatteru
07/05/21 5:46:44 PM
#37:


OhhhJa posted...
Nobody sees Einhorn's character and thinks, "wow trans people are bad!"

maybe not that but they might think wow trans people like to trick people into kissing/having sex with them

which is absolutely an attitude that contributes to violence against trans people

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Mead
07/05/21 6:01:35 PM
#38:


OhhhJa posted...
I'm simply questioning what aspect of this movie is bad for the trans movement.

with your usual belligerence and bad faith arguments

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UT1999
07/05/21 6:04:49 PM
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how much is the shirt tc?

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Mead
07/05/21 6:12:41 PM
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And while I enjoyed it a lot as a kid, even if you overlook questionable parts of it, it really isnt that good or funny of a movie

Even the sequel is better and it smartly has next to nothing to do with the first movie

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OhhhJa
07/05/21 6:14:40 PM
#42:


Zangulus posted...
I would personally say I dont think Einhorn should even remotely be considered a trans person.
Yeah, I don't think the focus was meant to be on Einhorn being trans. It was more like "wow look at this crazy disgruntled ex football player that can't get over their bad kick"
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OhhhJa
07/05/21 6:18:14 PM
#43:


Mead posted...
it really isnt that good or funny of a movie
Naw the movie is hilarious and absolutely better than the sequel which was too over the top.

Case in point

https://youtu.be/gvBWwn0HsIw

Fucking hilarious
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adjl
07/05/21 6:25:16 PM
#44:


Kanatteru posted...
maybe not that but they might think wow trans people like to trick people into kissing/having sex with them

which is absolutely an attitude that contributes to violence against trans people

Yep. The trope of trans deceptions is arguably the main reason people hate them (especially trans women) so much, including being the entire basis for the persistence of the "trans panic" defense in places that still accept as a justifiable reason to murder trans people (most of the US). Sure, one joke in one movie isn't exactly going to single-handedly set the trans rights movement back by decades, but it's nevertheless part of a body of media that inspired and reflects a culture of anti-trans hatred.

Does this mean you can't like the movie? Of course not. It just means that, if you're paying attention to the world around you and how people are affected by depictions in media, you should recognize that that particular scene really isn't okay, even if it was acceptable at the time it was published. You should also recognize that some people are going to be put off of the movie over it, and respect that instead of telling them to stop being so dramatic over something that legitimizes their murder.

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MrMelodramatic
07/05/21 6:36:26 PM
#45:


I voted yes because I like the color, but I didnt know what the shirt was about. After reading this topic, Im changing my vie to no, but you should find a less offensive shirt in the same colour and buy that one

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MasterChiefer
07/05/21 8:24:17 PM
#46:


UT1999 posted...
how much is the shirt tc?
$20
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Krow_Incarnate
07/06/21 3:16:14 AM
#47:


South Park has fun at everyone's expense and gets lauded for it and a genuinely funny movie gets burned at the stake for doing so.

Not surprised by this board tbh

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Mead
07/06/21 3:20:49 AM
#48:


Krow_Incarnate posted...
movie gets burned at the stake

how is pointing out that part of a movie is kinda messed up burning it at the stake

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Revelation34
07/06/21 3:38:59 AM
#49:


Krow_Incarnate posted...
South Park has fun at everyone's expense and gets lauded for it and a genuinely funny movie gets burned at the stake for doing so.

Not surprised by this board tbh


Animated shows get free passes.
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Kanatteru
07/06/21 1:28:17 PM
#50:


Krow_Incarnate posted...
South Park has fun at everyone's expense and gets lauded for it and a genuinely funny movie gets burned at the stake for doing so.

Not surprised by this board tbh

well south park is also bad though

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