Current Events > Seth Rogen doesn't understand comedians who complain about cancel culture

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ChocoboMog123 posted...

As always, the defense of cancel culture is myopic while the claims against it are both myopic and more harmful.

We can recognize that the knee-jerk reactions are often overblown while also realize that people facing consequences for their own problematic behaviour (often consequences from their own employers, not random twitter mobs) is not just good, it's perfectly normal.

Don't try to explain nuance to anyone ITT. They either think cancel culture is everywhere or that it doesn't exist.

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Darmik posted...

Even if that were the case you're comparing a TV show from two decades ago to a podcast from 2 years ago. So that's my point.

You'd have to be a total dumbass to think that going on a bunch of racist rants against Chinese people on a podcast was still an acceptable form of comedy. Which he himself knew when he attempted to delete the videos before SNL hired him.

Still doesn't justify being an asshole about a a helicopter crash that killed a beloved celebrity, his friend and their kids.

The majority of comedians were smart enough not to make 9/11 jokes immediately after it happened and the ones who didn't copped flack over it. This has literally always been a thing.

It wasn't a racist rant against Chinese people. If that is what you gathered then you didn't listen to the clip. Do you know who Shane Gillis is? He did a bit about a racist person deciding where the Chinese people should live and the creation of Chinatown. He didn't do any sort of rant against Chinese people at all.

Learn super basic information before you type another word

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TommyG663513 posted...

It wasn't a racist rant against Chinese people. If that is what you gathered then you didn't listen to the clip. Do you know who Shane Gillis is? He did a bit about a racist person deciding where the Chinese people should live and the creation of Chinatown. He didn't do any sort of rant against Chinese people at all.

How did he do that bit again?


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TommyG663513 posted...

Don't try to explain nuance to anyone ITT. They either think cancel culture is everywhere or that it doesn't exist.

I have you tagged for racist trolling from some other topic >_>

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ChocoboMog123 posted...

I have you tagged for racist trolling from some other topic >_>

That's pretty confusing to me. Maybe make better tags

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Shablagoo posted...

lmao

I once had someone on here call 3 paragraphs an essay.

I mean three paragraphs is the base of an essay

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Darmik posted...

How did he do that bit again?

He changed his voice to sound like a caricature of an old time racist person and in character explained the logic of developing Chinatown. Not going into any more detail than that. It doesn't take much for you to listen to the audio on your own.

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TommyG663513 posted...

He changed his voice to sound like a caricature of an old time racist person and in character explained the logic of developing Chinatown. Not going into any more detail than that.

Trying so hard to avoid having to say 'racist rant'

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Darmik posted...

Trying so hard to avoid having to say 'racist rant'

No. It was nowhere near a racist rant. It wasn't even a rant.

You realize Shane Gillis wasn't the guy talking about MSG in Chinese food right? I remember when that clip got shared and people thought the guy who talked for the vast majority of the time was Shane Gillis and it wasn't. It sounds like you were one of those people.

Maybe know who Shane Gillis is and what a rant is before commenting


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TommyG663513 posted...

Don't try to explain nuance to anyone ITT. They either think cancel culture is everywhere or that it doesn't exist.

you realize what he said goes against everything youve said... right?

also funny how in another topic youre talking about how Gina wasnt canceled and her career will be fine. Cause shes different from the others how?

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Zeeak4444 posted...

you realize what he said goes against everything youve said... right?

also funny how in another topic youre talking about how Gina wasnt canceled and her career will be fine. Cause shes different from the others how?

No you misunderstood me in the other topic. Gina is cancelled and I was mocking people that I've seen argue that she isn't cancelled because she still has a Ben Shapiro project. Because lol at a Ben Shapiro project.

And no his post doesn't go against my viewpoint at all.

Do you understand what my viewpoint actually is?

I'm not generally against cancel culture. I just want it to be better.

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https://billypenn.com/2016/05/24/this-philly-comedy-show-tries-for-youtube-comments-irl/

You can be racist to Asians. Thats what were finding out, Gillis told me. Its just blatant hypocrisy though. He notes that he sent out the gif of Budd Dwyer shooting himself in the head. When a comedian made a child porn joke, he sent out a photo of children being escorted out of Sandy Hook. Both got mad laughs. Its funny what people will laugh at, compared to what theyre so eager to prove that theyre not laughing at, said Gillis.

Was he in character when he called Andrew Yang a slur too?

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Darmik posted...

https://billypenn.com/2016/05/24/this-philly-comedy-show-tries-for-youtube-comments-irl/

Was he in character when he called Andrew Yang a slur too?

No he definitely wasn't playing a character for that comment.

A lot of what he is doing is a shock type humor that isn't for everyone. I get that you're too busy clutching your pearls to "get it."

I mean, Id describe Gillis as a more hack comic than one I find offensive or objectionable.

Sarah Silverman is known for shock humor. Anthony Jeselnik too. Those are much better examples of people who can pull this type of stuff off.

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TommyG663513 posted...

A lot of what he is doing is a shock type humor that isn't for everyone. I get that you're too busy clutching your pearls to "get it."

I don't need to get it. People who hire him do. Unfortunately for him they don't get it either.

TommyG663513 posted...

Sarah Silverman is known for shock humor. Anthony Jeselnik too. Those are much better examples of people who can pull this type of stuff off.

I never once said that shock humor is universally bad. Any respectable and long lasting comedian knows how to read the room and keep up with the times. Doesn't take an comedy scientist to figure out that Asian slurs aren't funny in 2019.

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Darmik posted...

I don't need to get it. People who hire him do. Unfortunately for him they don't get it either.

I never once said that shock humor is universally bad. Any respectable and long lasting comedian knows how to read the room and keep up with the times. Doesn't take an comedy scientist to figure out that Asian slurs aren't funny in 2019.

If you're going to argue against it then you need to make a good faith effort to "get it" otherwise don't comment at all

Also, he didn't make the comment in 2019. The clip got spread around when he got hired on SNL in 2019, but it has been recorded years prior.

How do you manage to get so much basic information very incorrect?

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TommyG663513 posted...

If you're going to argue against it then you need to make a good faith effort to "get it" otherwise don't comment at all

Also, he didn't make the comment in 2019. The clip got spread around when he got hired on SNL in 2019, but it has been recorded years prior.

How do you manage to get so much basic information very incorrect?

When did he call Andrew Yang a Jew *****?

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TommyG663513 posted...

No you misunderstood me in the other topic. Gina is cancelled and I was mocking people that I've seen argue that she isn't cancelled because she still has a Ben Shapiro project. Because lol at a Ben Shapiro project.

And no his post doesn't go against my viewpoint at all.

Do you understand what my viewpoint actually is?

I'm not generally against cancel culture. I just want it to be better.

ah, okay, so were right back round to you not understanding what being fired is.


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Zeeak4444 posted...

ah, okay, so were right back round to you not understanding what being fired is.

Ah so you don't understand what "social media backlash" and "bad for our public image" are as concepts.

Someone getting fired doesn't mean they weren't cancelled especially when it came from a lot of social pressure. #fireginacarano had been trending on Twitter for months prior to her canning

For the record, I 100% support Gina Carano losing her job, because her viewpoints are basically all just stupid and I can't stand people like her. I never liked her on the show either. Disney even tried to play nice with her and just asked her to stop and she double downed on it.

I would absolutely say Gina getting fired is a "good" example of the benefits of cancel culture

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TommyG663513 posted...

Ah so you don't understand what "social media backlash" and "bad for our public image" are as concepts.

Someone getting fired doesn't mean they weren't cancelled especially when it came from a lot of social pressure. #fireginacarano had been trending on Twitter for months prior to her canning

For the record, I 100% support Gina Carano losing her job, because her viewpoints are basically all just stupid and I can't stand people like her. I never liked her on the show either. Disney even tried to play nice with her and just asked her to stop and she double downed on it.

I would absolutely say Gina getting fired is a "good" example of the benefits of cancel culture

but you see, its a business move, thus firing.

Disney didnt blackball her from the industry, no one has. I mentioned the Dixie chicks because they were actually blacklisted and pulled from pretty much every radio station that existed.

DJs were punished for playing their songs. Thats canceling. Thats when you didnt just lose your job but every avenue within the same industry.

if you said they had a podcast that was self hosted because no one would touch it, that would be getting canceled. If you have a platform to reach your fans, even if its not the platform you desire, you havent been canceled.

Otherwise the argument is that people have carte-blanch to do whatever the fuck they want without any repercussions.

the craziest thing about people bitching about cancel culture is that they act like being ostracized hasnt been a thing for pretty much ever. The truth is you dont have as many fans as you think you do, and once your employer realizes that, they kick you on your ass.

That sums up the majority of the canceled celebs bar a few.


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These days thanks to social media it's easier for even the most repugnant people to still have a following that they can make money off. Just in time since these same repugnant people didn't really have to worry about controversies at all before social media. It was the people who criticized Bush, ripped up photos of the Pope or accused celebrities of bad behavior that had to worry beforehand.

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Zeeak4444 posted...

but you see, its a business move, thus firing.

Disney didnt blackball her from the industry, no one has. I mentioned the Dixie chicks because they were actually blacklisted and pulled from pretty much every radio station that existed.

DJs were punished for playing their songs. Thats canceling. Thats when you didnt just lose your job but every avenue within the same industry.

if you said they had a podcast that was self hosted because no one would touch it, that would be getting canceled. If you have a platform to reach your fans, even if its not the platform you desire, you havent been canceled.

Otherwise the argument is that people have carte-blanch to do whatever the fuck they want without any repercussions.

the craziest thing about people bitching about cancel culture is that they act like being ostracized hasnt been a thing for pretty much ever. The truth is you dont have as many fans as you think you do, and once your employer realizes that, they kick you on your ass.

That sums up the majority of the canceled celebs bar a few.

Yes and her career prospects are...........

A Ben Shapiro movie lol

Yeah her career is going nowhere dude

I agree with an awful lot in your post. I believe people should face consequences for their actions. I fully support cancel culture. I just want it to be better. I also find it laughable that people try to deny the reality of cancel culture. Especially when it is obviously used as a disingenuous counter to disingenuous arguments made by Republicans about stupid culture war BS.

I agree that cancel culture as a concept has always been a thing. Mob justice is the same concept. The difference is cancel culture is a modern term which encompasses modern stuff like the use of social media. No one is showing up at your door when they can tweet at you instead.

It's just that people should stop being so reactionary about it. Comics especially are ones who should get more leeway on the matter. There's this weird puritanism going around comedy circles where people are constantly trying to police comedy. It's becoming its own religion.

Then you get cancel victims like Aziz Ansari and Al Franken who just make me go WTF and I'm like the punishment just far exceeds the crime

Like I can't say I agree with all the targets of cancel culture. I think it's really silly to act like a growing syst.of mob rule couldn't ever have any negative consequences ever. Again, I mostly think it's a good thing. I just think we should criticize the bad parts of it and try to improve him. I find that significantly healthier than acting like cancel culture doesn't exist when clearly here we are all talking about it.


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Ari Shaffer being brought up is hilarious. That dude has always been a piece of shit. If he has good qualities, he should of leaned into them instead of acting like a piece of shit all the time and drugging his "friend" in front of his kids.

You shouldn't be cancelled for that, you should literally be in prison for that. He got off easy because Burt is a hell of a nice guy and wouldn't want to see Ari in prison. But you can't continue to be friends with soneone who will literally drug you at 50 years old. Holy shit man, you had 50 years to learn to not drug someone. How fuckin stupid can you be to still think that's "just a joke"?

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TommyG663513 posted...

Yes and her career prospects are...........

A Ben Shapiro movie lol

Yeah her career is going nowhere dude

I agree with an awful lot in your post. I believe people should face consequences for their actions. I fully support cancel culture. I just want it to be better. I also find it laughable that people try to deny the reality of cancel culture. Especially when it is obviously used as a disingenuous counter to disingenuous arguments made by Republicans about stupid culture war BS.

I agree that cancel culture as a concept has always been a thing. Mob justice is the same concept. The difference is cancel culture is a modern term which encompasses modern stuff like the use of social media. No one is showing up at your door when they can tweet at you instead.

It's just that people should stop being so reactionary about it. Comics especially are ones who should get more leeway on the matter. There's this weird puritanism going around comedy circles where people are constantly trying to police comedy. It's becoming its own religion.

Then you get cancel victims like Aziz Ansari and Al Franken who just make me go WTF and I'm like the punishment just far exceeds the crime

Like I can't say I agree with all the targets of cancel culture. I think it's really silly to act like a growing syst.of mob rule couldn't ever have any negative consequences ever. Again, I mostly think it's a good thing. I just think we should criticize the bad parts of it and try to improve him. I find that significantly healthier than acting like cancel culture doesn't exist when clearly here we are all talking about it.

I mean I agree with the sentiment but all social media really did was give a gauge to businesses.

Theres definitely cases I disagree with but Im also not looking at the books. I imagine they largely look at the demographic thats outraged and decide if said person is still bankable off of that. Aziz is a weird case because he was popular but aside from me I havent met anyone who liked his shit. Im too lazy to look up how much revenue he was generating but Im guessing it wasnt a ton, but I could totally be wrong about that.

From what I usually see its the own fans that get upset about something, even if it is stupid. But as its always been, if you lose your fans you lose your star power. This means dropping pretty damn hard.

So its complicated but I dont think its anything remotely new, its just a new buzzword.

Mel Gibson is perhaps the greatest example of cancel culture and at the time his rant happened I can guarantee you remember the talk being separate the art from the artist. That conversation was around before him. Can we say people dont do that? Id say no since hes been back for a bit and doing well. Hes not as big of a star as he was, but he still had enough fans to be successful over time.

So I mean, its a cluster fuck. But it still boils down to being fired and having to work your way back in. The Dixie chicks from what I recall pivoted to like Rock and roll since they couldnt do country anymore.

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Darmik posted...

The majority of comedians were smart enough not to make 9/11 jokes immediately after it happened and the ones who didn't copped flack over it. This has literally always been a thing.

Comparing Kobe Bryants death to 9/11 is absolutely insane.

Also, you are correct. Comedians had to wait a couple days to make 9/11 jokes since most comedy clubs were closed.

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Darmik posted...

When did he call Andrew Yang a Jew *****?

Remember when Andrew Yang defended Shane Gillis and got attacked by the Asian community for doing so?

Good times.

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Clutch posted...

Comparing Kobe Bryants death to 9/11 is absolutely insane.

Why?

Clutch posted...

Also, you are correct. Comedians had to wait a couple days to make 9/11 jokes since most comedy clubs were closed.

And yet it happened anyway with a very predictable backlash

Clutch posted...

Remember when Andrew Yang defended Shane Gillis and got attacked by the Asian community for doing so?

Good times.

And?

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Cancel culture is the worse thing since gamefaqs mods

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TommyG663513 posted...

If you haven't heard of any of these people then you must not follow comedy very much at all and probably aren't by extension knowledgeable enough to discuss cancel culture

This might be the the most arrogant, unpleasant post I've ever seen on this website. Whether it's in earnest or a lame trolling attempt, it's genuinely pathetic to read.

It's just so petty, lame and self-aggrandizing.

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Old, mostly white men, complaining they cant punch down with absolute, unchecked impunity

Sorry not sorry

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Darmik posted...

Should that not impact his career?

when he drugged bert kreischer that was it for me fuck ari. How do you do that to a friend?

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When bill maher got fired for calling terrorists brave on tv, was that an example of cancel culture? If so, why didn't we use that terminology at the time?

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The issue with the term "cancel culture" isn't so much that people don't get "cancelled" but that it's used to confer a unity to things that don't necessarily have anything meaningful in common. Rick Santorum getting fired from CNN recently, X conservative professor being uninvited to campus, and these comedians not getting work are all different things with different contexts.

For example, obviously people leave rooms right? So I could try to say that "room leaving culture" exists and say, well, when you leave a room this way it means this, but if you leave a room that way it means something else. Most people would easily see how this makes no sense because we don't attach arbitrary value to the action, we understand it's not the point of whatever is happening

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MrMallard posted...

This might be the the most arrogant, unpleasant post I've ever seen on this website. Whether it's in earnest or a lame trolling attempt, it's genuinely pathetic to read.

It's just so petty, lame and self-aggrandizing.

You should have seen when he went on a long ass tirade about how he had a rougher life than Dave Chapelle and that Dave never really had to struggle. How Dave grew up privileged.

And how he is offended at Chapelle and other black men who make jokes about white people. Including how they should properly make jokes if they are to be stand up comedians.

He said all of this with like less than two years experience. It was a trip.

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The Right are just really good at co-opting words

https://www.vox.com/culture/21437879/stay-woke-wokeness-history-origin-evolution-controversy


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Zeeak4444 posted...

I mean I agree with the sentiment but all social media really did was give a gauge to businesses.

Theres definitely cases I disagree with but Im also not looking at the books. I imagine they largely look at the demographic thats outraged and decide if said person is still bankable off of that. Aziz is a weird case because he was popular but aside from me I havent met anyone who liked his shit. Im too lazy to look up how much revenue he was generating but Im guessing it wasnt a ton, but I could totally be wrong about that.

From what I usually see its the own fans that get upset about something, even if it is stupid. But as its always been, if you lose your fans you lose your star power. This means dropping pretty damn hard.

So its complicated but I dont think its anything remotely new, its just a new buzzword.

Mel Gibson is perhaps the greatest example of cancel culture and at the time his rant happened I can guarantee you remember the talk being separate the art from the artist. That conversation was around before him. Can we say people dont do that? Id say no since hes been back for a bit and doing well. Hes not as big of a star as he was, but he still had enough fans to be successful over time.

So I mean, its a cluster fuck. But it still boils down to being fired and having to work your way back in. The Dixie chicks from what I recall pivoted to like Rock and roll since they couldnt do country anymore.

Honestly, as long as you don't act like cancel culture is a fake thing I'd find your opinion reasonable enough to not take up much issue with it. I just get really annoyed with people who deny it entirely, because I feel that is just a super bad faith position to take.

You bring up some examples of people who were kinda sorta able to still have a career. There is no denying that their careers took a major nosedive and there was no guarantee there'd be any recovery at all.

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Darmik posted...

Why?

And yet it happened anyway with a very predictable backlash

And?

Do you have examples of 9/11 jokes failing? Because Gilbert Gottfried is a big example and he told a joke that bombed, but was able to very famously recover within that same set.

Ari Shaffir even has a great 9/11 joke.

Do you follow comedy at all?

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MrMallard posted...

This might be the the most arrogant, unpleasant post I've ever seen on this website. Whether it's in earnest or a lame trolling attempt, it's genuinely pathetic to read.

It's just so petty, lame and self-aggrandizing.

@MrMallard

That is a pretty dramatic assessment of yours lol. Damn maybe you need to get over yourself.

The point still stands. If you've never heard of comics like Ari Shaffir, Shane Gillis, or Tony Hinchcliffe then you like don't follow comedy. They're big enough names that someone who follows comedy should know at least one or two of them of not all three. The discussion of cancel culture has been happening in comedy circles for years before right wing people tried to co opt the word.

Can you explain to me why you feel so qualified to have made your own post? It looks like your only intention was just to troll so you don't really have any sort of moral high ground.

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IShall_Run_Amok posted...

Cancel culture isn't some lotion that people rub on their hands. At best, its a psychological phenomenon, worthy of study and reflection, but even a most cursory consideration of the situation would reveal it is more complex than a singular manifestation. People who complain about it, though, inevitably fail to realise any of this.

Whoops meant to say "psychosocial" not just psychological.

TommyG663513 posted...

What do you mean "more complex than a singular manifestation"?

Like, most of these manifestations of cancel culture are different things. James Gunn getting fired from Disney for bad jokes he made ten years ago, because he criticized an actual sexual predator's president is different from J.K. Rowling getting flack from minorities she speaks against, and they're both different from the walkouts over Roman Polanski at the Csar Awards, and none of them have anything to do with Dave Chapelle getting bad reviews from a dozen critics. Yet these are all, apparently, "cancelled".

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Darmik posted...

Why?

And yet it happened anyway with a very predictable backlash

And?

Please explain how any reasonable individual could even begin to compare Kobe Bryants death to 9/11? You kind of lost all credibility at this point.


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IShall_Run_Amok posted...

Like, most of these manifestations of cancel culture are different things. James Gunn getting fired from Disney for bad jokes he made ten years ago, because he criticized an actual sexual predator's president is different from J.K. Rowling getting flack from minorities she speaks against, and they're both different from the walkouts over Roman Polanski at the Csar Awards, and none of them have anything to do with Dave Chapelle getting bad reviews from a dozen critics. Yet these are all, apparently, "cancelled".

Right. Or, how about this; we're not so far removed from the pre- social media era that we should forget what it was like when it first became big. Starting about 15 years ago, and for years, the boomer advice was to be careful about what you say online because it could come back to haunt you, especially with employers. No one thought we were in the grip of cancel culture. Funnily, it's only when boomers joined social media en masse and failed to follow their own advice that it became a "thing"

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So with a lot of these comedians, the problem I have is that if you bomb in front of a crowd (which will happen in any career with presentations), how narcissistic do you need to be to blame the crowd?

IShall_Run_Amok posted...

Like, most of these manifestations of cancel culture are different things. James Gunn getting fired from Disney for bad jokes he made ten years ago, because he criticized an actual sexual predator's president is different from J.K. Rowling getting flack from minorities she speaks against, and they're both different from the walkouts over Roman Polanski at the Csar Awards, and none of them have anything to do with Dave Chapelle getting bad reviews from a dozen critics. Yet these are all, apparently, "cancelled".

Don't forget that James Gunn got his job back, J.K. Rowling immediately sold a best-selling novel based on the transphobic junk she spewed out, and Dave Chapelle won an Emmy for that comedy show. The consequences of being "cancelled"

Balrog0 posted...

Right. Or, how about this; we're not so far removed from the pre- social media era that we should forget what it was like when it first became big. Starting about 15 years ago, and for years, the boomer advice was to be careful about what you say online because it could come back to haunt you, especially with employers. No one thought we were in the grip of cancel culture. Funnily, it's only when boomers joined social media en masse and failed to follow their own advice that it became a "thing"

tbf, people were getting cancelled well before social media - we've just changed the wording so we can pretend its a liberal thing instead of a conservative thing. Like The Dixie Chicks, or the Hayes Code

Clutch posted...

Please explain how any reasonable individual could even begin to compare Kobe Bryants death to 9/11? You kind of lost all credibility at this point.

I dont think Darmik was making a literal comparison. Hes just using 9/11 as an example to say there is a time and place for everything.

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Proto_Spark posted...

tbf, people were getting cancelled well before social media - we've just changed the wording so we can pretend its a liberal thing instead of a conservative thing. Like The Dixie Chicks, or the Hayes Code

This is what I mean, though. The wording is more than semantic. How far can you stretch cancel culture? Muhammad Ali dodging the draft, was the reaction to that cancel culture? There was a time we didn't pretend people having opinions about public personalities required it's own conventions to analyze.

Edited to note I'm not disagreeing with you, just adding context

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Scarecrow17 posted...

I dont think Darmik was making a literal comparison. Hes just using 9/11 as an example to say there is a time and place for everything.

Yeah, but NY comedians were literally making 9/11 jokes as soon as the clubs reopened. He only thinks he has a point because he is seemingly clueless about comedy.

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i didnt even know Rogen did stand up comedy.

i mostly know him from those stoner bro comedies with James Franco and stuff...

Proto_Spark posted...

tbf, people were getting cancelled well before social media - we've just changed the wording so we can pretend its a liberal thing instead of a conservative thing. Like The Dixie Chicks, or the Hayes Code

At least with the Dixie Chicks it was as a result of backlash from their fan base. Social media has amplified the ability of people to have their opinions heard, which isnt necessarily a good thing.


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IShall_Run_Amok posted...

Whoops meant to say "psychosocial" not just psychological.

Like, most of these manifestations of cancel culture are different things. James Gunn getting fired from Disney for bad jokes he made ten years ago, because he criticized an actual sexual predator's president is different from J.K. Rowling getting flack from minorities she speaks against, and they're both different from the walkouts over Roman Polanski at the Csar Awards, and none of them have anything to do with Dave Chapelle getting bad reviews from a dozen critics. Yet these are all, apparently, "cancelled".

So? Cancel culture is the threat of ostracization from professional circles over a perceived failure to live up to the norms and/or social standards of said group. How else would you define it?

People on social media get off on holding celebrities feet to the coals. Often times these celebrities deserve it and sometimes it is just an over eager mob looking for destruction.

People can be cancelled by being fired, but this type of stuff almost never happens without immense social media pressure.

That's about the fairest way that I feel I can define it. If you feel you have a better way to define it then please do so.

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Proto_Spark posted...

tbf, people were getting cancelled well before social media - we've just changed the wording so we can pretend its a liberal thing instead of a conservative thing. Like The Dixie Chicks, or the Hayes Code

It was called cancel culture WELL BEFORE conservatives very recently tried to co opt the term and make it sound like it is a thing liberals do to conservatives.

Like I've been hearing damn near every comic on every podcast talk about cancel culture for years.

Also, you're kind of missing the point when you say a comic has to be incredibly narcissistic to blame the crowd. The point is that the standards of the crowd had significantly changed and the rules for everyone on dealing with that crowd can vary by person. Stuff that did would often doesn't anymore. Comics should adapt, but you can still point out the reality that the crowds and standards are changing.

But yeah some comics can still be pretty narcissistic and need to take responsibility for their sets not going well.

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ZevLoveDOOM posted...

i didnt even know Rogen did stand up comedy.

i mostly know him from those stoner bro comedies with James Franco and stuff...

He actually started off being a stand up comic, but yeah he moved into comedic acting and dropped stand up a very long time ago. So yeah it's weird to see him talk about this stuff as if he is a comic when he doesn't do stand up and the stuff he has been working on has been decreasingly comedic and increasingly dramatic.

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Clutch posted...

Yeah, but NY comedians were literally making 9/11 jokes as soon as the clubs reopened. He only thinks he has a point because he is seemingly clueless about comedy.

Yeah this point shouldn't be glossed over, but @Darmik will probably dance around it..


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