Current Events > Kids shows create more hateable villains than adult shows imo.

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Like the villains that really make you hate them and annoy you.

I think it's because kids shows are fine with just making straight-up annoying characters, that will really feel like parodies of a villain with how they are willing to be straight-up jerks to others.

In a way, I kinda appreciate it. I feel like people like all villains to be "cool" or have depth to make us feel sympathy for them that sometimes I appreciate a villain that makes me feel anger just watching them.


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Yeah, but they always give them the best song and make them look sexy

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bubble bass

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BoyOfBattle posted...

bubble bass

You know, this probably was one of the first villains that really grinded my gears. Like, screw that guy, lmao. Really makes me happy every time to see SpongeBob pull his tongue out to show the world the pickles.

In a show where the villain is "cool," I still cheer when the hero wins, but I find when the villain is hateable, I not only cheer for the hero, but I cheer for the villain's defeat.

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Turbam posted...

and make them look sexy

https://i.imgur.com/aYKRCcW.gif

PiOverlord posted...

make us feel sympathy

That's virtually never the reason for giving a villain depth

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BabyRoxann posted...

Kids don't understand nuanced characters anyway so the villains can be one-dimensional and awful af, and they won't care

Also you gotta fill out 65 episodes, so don't bother with any development. Always revert to status quo after 22 minutes, unless the studio actually let you make a two-parter.

BabyRoxann posted...

Kids don't understand nuanced characters anyway so the villains can be one-dimensional and awful af, and they won't care

Yeah, basically. I'm just saying, sometimes it's nice to have one-dimensional, awful characters.

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I guess Im weird.

as a kid I rooted for Dick Dastardly, Team Rocket, hell, I even kind of felt bad for the egg snatchers in land before time 2 lol

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Best of both worlds are the villains with nuance and depth that are still super hatable and you want to see them fall.because their actions are so heinous.

Like Disney bringing back all of their female Villains and say oh she was really just mistreated like. Like Malevolent and fucking Cruella De Vil, with literally tried to kidnap puppies to make a coat out of them .

However the Villain in the litter murmaid was victim. That little brat signed a fucking contract.

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AlisLandale posted...

I guess Im weird.

as a kid I rooted for Dick Dastardly, Team Rocket, hell, I even kind of felt bad for the egg snatchers in land before time 2 lol

Eh, they are one-dimensional, at least the first two (I haven't seen ALBT2 so I can't comment, lol), but they also are meant to be funny to little kids.

I was talking about villains that are made to be hated specifically, and they are one-dimensional with how horrible they are.

Slayerblade11 posted...

Best of both worlds are the villains with nuance and depth that are still super hatable and you want to see them fall.because their actions are so heinous.

Can you give an example of some? I'm sure there are a few I know, but I just want to think of a few myself, lol.

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cjsdowg posted...

Like Disney bringing back all of their female Villains and say oh she was really just mistreated like. Like Malevolent and fucking Cruella De Vil, with literally tried to kidnap puppies to make a coat out of them .

However the Villain in the litter murmaid was victim. That little brat signed a fucking contract.

I actually really dislike Maleficient for a number of reasons. One of them is that I kinda don't like they made a villain that I'm fine with being evil for the sake of evil, and watering her down imo when they humanized her. (tbh, I'm just really petty she never turned into the dragon, hehe).

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AlisLandale posted...

I guess Im weird.

as a kid I rooted for Dick Dastardly, Team Rocket, hell, I even kind of felt bad for the egg snatchers in land before time 2 lol

Bad guys are meant to be the foil to the good guys, and usually end up being "cooler," even as a young mark, I rooted for many wrestling heels. As an adult, I never once rooted for Gus Fring.

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Conception616 posted...

Bad guys are meant to be the foil to the good guys, and usually end up being "cooler," even as a young mark, I rooted for many wrestling heels. As an adult, I never once rooted for Gus Fring.

for me it was more that the villains pretty much never get any wins. Its like, why am I even rooting for the heroes when they always win anyway? There were never any stakes. >_>

but the egg snatchers was probably Trix Rabbit syndrome. All they wanted was some fucking food. Its not their fault they were born as egg-eating dinosaurs <_<

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conflicts tend to be more interesting when the characters involved feel like real people

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averagejoel posted...

conflicts tend to be more interesting when the characters involved feel like real people

what's wrong with having the bad guy just be, ya know, pure evil?

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I remember when I was a kid my dad would always cheer on Team Rocket. He even got a Team Rocket themed Pokemon card deck to play with me and my brother.

My dad is so cool.

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Mainstream adults can't handle actual villains for long. Look at GoT. All of the outright villains that you're meant to hate and successfully fill their role of villain had people crying that they wanted them off the show because they couldn't stand to watch and sending death threats to the actor. Meanwhile kids strangely enough can separate fiction from reality better in regards to this.

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Jiek_Fafn posted...

Mainstream adults can't handle actual villains for long. Look at GoT. All of the outright villains that you're meant to hate and successfully fill their role of villain had people crying that they wanted them off the show because they couldn't stand to watch and sending death threats to the actor. Meanwhile kids strangely enough can separate fiction from reality better in regards to this.

LOL true

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tevilstwo posted...

what's wrong with having the bad guy just be, ya know, pure evil?

a "bad guy" that's "pure evil" is much less interesting than a complicated character who just happens to be working against the protagonist

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Jiek_Fafn posted...

Meanwhile kids strangely enough can separate fiction from reality better in regards to this.

Someone, i think it might have been Neil Gaiman, maybe Grant Morrison, made a funny observation about super heroes.

adult fans tend to scrutinize things like how does Superman fly or whatever, and kids are always quick to answer such questions with because its not real lol

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I feel like there's a time and a place for both. Especially in videogames. Right now I'm replaying Ocarina of Time 3D and I really like that Ganondorf is just plain evil and greedy.

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averagejoel posted...

a "bad guy" that's "pure evil" is much less interesting than a complicated character who just happens to be working against the protagonist

maybe in the past when every single villain wasnt a complicated character who just happens to be working against the protagonist

its not intriguing anymore cuz its in fucking everything

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Ryuko_Chan posted...

maybe in the past when every single villain wasnt a complicated character who just happens to be working against the protagonist

its not intriguing anymore cuz its in fucking everything

sure, it's not inherently intriguing. but complicated antagonists have way more possibilities than "pure evil" bad guys

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But I think you can add complexity to pure evil characters.

That Hitler movie, Downfall, never made Hitler feel sympathetic, but it did add intriguing layers of depth to his evil that most movies with Hitler tend to ignore. Not that the depth made the evil excusable, but that it made the evil more interesting for a movie.

That everyone leave the room scene that became a meme was a legit good scene

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averagejoel posted...

sure, it's not inherently intriguing. but complicated antagonists have way more possibilities than "pure evil" bad guys

its intriguing when its not every single time

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Azula in Last Airbender is quite relatable; slowly going insane and making manic hair decisions as you drive your friends away amidst your never-ending drive to earn your father's praise.

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Ryuko_Chan posted...

its intriguing when its not every single time

complex characters are inherently more interesting than simple "pure evil" characters

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averagejoel posted...

complex characters are inherently more interesting than simple "pure evil" characters

youre ignoring the value of variety

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I always thought out of how bullshit it was that the villains only need to win once while the hero had to keep winning, it makes the conflict boring because if the hero loses even once they're as good as dead however if they keep winning then the threat of the villain goes down the drain yet if they win then the hero dies so how's this conflict gonna last so many episodes before one of them finally wins the contest?

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Real life villains > kid show villains >>>> adult show villains

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tremain07 posted...

I always thought out of how bullshit it was that the villains only need to win once while the hero had to keep winning, it makes the conflict boring because if the hero loses even once they're as good as dead however if they keep winning then the threat of the villain goes down the drain yet if they win then the hero dies so how's this conflict gonna last so many episodes before one of them finally wins the contest?

the trick is to give villains objectives that dont immediately result in their ultimate goal.

you see it a lot in shows like Xiaolin Showdown, or Jackie Chan Adventures, where the conflict is collecting a certain amount of macguffins, since the villain winning can actually lead to more interesting conflict in the future.

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AlisLandale posted...

the trick is to give villains objectives that dont immediately result in their ultimate goal.

you see it a lot in shows like Xiaolin Showdown, or Jackie Chan Adventures, where the conflict is collecting a certain amount of macguffins, since the villain winning can actually lead to more interesting conflict in the future.

should i check out those shows

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Ryuko_Chan posted...

should i check out those shows

Jackie Chan Adventures is fun.

I havent seen Xiaolin Showdown in years, idk if it holds up without nostalgia. >_>

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tremain07 posted...

I always thought out of how bullshit it was that the villains only need to win once while the hero had to keep winning

Occasionally in the 80s, we'd get a cartoon where the bad guys have already won, such as Spiral Zone or Wheeled Warriors.

Ryuko_Chan posted...

youre ignoring the value of variety

no, I'm recognizing that complex characters are inherently more varied and interesting than simple ones

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It's fine if an villain is unrepentantly evil, but they need to have a reason for being so. Motivations, goals, any explanation as to why they're doing what they're doing.

A bad guy who's evil "Because" is a bore. They're not a character then, they're a plot device.

Think about Disney's Hercules movie. Who do people remember more?

Hades, the funny, entertaining god of the Underworld voiced by James Woods?

...Or the generic Titians who give the audience no reason to care about them despite them being able to kill gods.

Meanwhile someone like The Joker rarely had motivations for his crimes beyond "It amused me" or "Trolling Batman", but he's one of the most iconic bad guys ever. Not because he's evil, but because he's just so damn entertaining about it.

But if your bad guy is evil "Because" then they risk being a bore.

https://youtu.be/THje1oBg66c


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PatrickMahomes posted...

Azula in Last Airbender is quite relatable; slowly going insane and making manic hair decisions as you drive your friends away amidst your never-ending drive to earn your father's praise.

misread, thought the topic title said "relatable" lmfao hahahaha

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Tenlaar posted...

https://i.imgur.com/aYKRCcW.gif

RIP

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Umbreon posted...

Not because he's evil, but because he's just so damn entertaining about it.

And that's why Skeletor is fondly remembered, while Hordak is barely remembered.

Saw Boss and Mumm-ra are mostly just forgotten.

The Runaways TV show really pissed me off by making the Pride sympathetic villains. That was the dumbest decision they could have made.

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pegusus123456 posted...

The Runaways TV show really pissed me off by making the Pride sympathetic villains. That was the dumbest decision they could have made.

I had to stop watching that show. They know that are all in the same boat. The only chance they have is to work with each other. But they keep lying and keeping secrets. And how they Finned the black dude was just like naw.

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Alot of has to do with the crazy fans that they are trying to get. Take Kylo from Star Wars he was an evil monster however women liked him. So they have been changing this fucking backstory to make him more of victim. Not adding stuff changing his backstory . And these chicks still bitching about Redeem Ben Solo.

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cjsdowg posted...

However the Villain in the litter murmaid was victim. That little brat signed a fucking contract.

And? If you get someone (a minor at that) to sign that they must give pay $300 by the end of the month, then do everything in your power to sabotage their job (even hypnotize the boss), then you are a piece of shit, no questions asked.

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The_Korey posted...

And? If you get someone (a minor at that) to sign that they must give pay $300 by the end of the month, then do everything in your power to sabotage their job (even hypnotize the boss), then you are a piece of shit, no questions asked.

She freaking sang the terms of the contract. And showed that most people don't fulfill the contract. She was given ever warning about the dangers of the contract and she signed it because she just wanted more. When she literally had everything under the sea.

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BabyRoxann posted...

Kids don't understand nuanced characters anyway

source?

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