Poll of the Day > Is Final Fantasy 12 worth 25$?

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I saw that its on sale on PSN store for 25$. Its the last day of the sale too.

should I buy? Or wait until the price goes lower in a future sale?

I never hear anybody talk about FF 12 being their favorite.

I know some people who say its their favourite. Apparently its worth that (value-wise and gameplay-wise) I have two copies of the CE and one is unopened. But its not outrageously valuable.

FF12 is my least favorite FF unless we count the NES FF games. Never played X, XI, XIII, or XIV.

Is my 3rd favorite personally so naturally id say so. Especially if its TZA we are talking about vs the original.

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TheFalseDeity posted...

Is my 3rd favorite personally so naturally id say so. Especially if its TZA we are talking about vs the original.

Why tho?

zebatov posted...

I know some people who say its their favourite.

Those people need to be medicated immediately, both for their safety and for ours.
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I have only the experiences of a close friend to draw from, but he loves the original and detests the remake. IIRC the remake sold poorly.

It's one of my favorites. I'd say go for it.

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I dont even seem to remember much about that one for some reason...
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Red_Frog posted...

I have only the experiences of a close friend to draw from, but he loves the original and detests the remake. IIRC the remake sold poorly.

look, i'm not saying the remake is objectively better or anything....

but it totally is

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Greenfox111 posted...

look, i'm not saying the remake is objectively better or anything....

but it totally is

I have almost no rebuttal, mostly because the game never really interested me in the first place, but his reasoning seemed logical to me so I'm going to be trusting him instead. Sorry brosef.

Red_Frog posted...

I have almost no rebuttal, mostly because the game never really interested me in the first place, but his reasoning seemed logical to me so I'm going to be trusting him instead. Sorry brosef.

Do you mind sharing those reasons? I've beaten both versions and The Zodiac Age is definitely superior to the original. New weapons/armor, new job system, map overlay, 2x and 4x speed up, updated visuals, reorchestrated music, Trial Mode, New Game+, etc. were all added to the remake. What does the original have over all of that?

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DDirtyDastard posted...

Why tho?

The combat is a large part of it. Like VIII its easy to break early on if you wish, love the gambit system, no longer done via random encounters, can control the summons of the game rather than just being a one off cutscene attack like most FFs, characters not being locked to a single weapon class, and every party member and enemy being able to act at the same time makes it look a lot better imo as opposed to pausing to watch one person do one thing at a time.

For smaller things - The world itself is probably my favorite in the series and made me actually want to talk to most NPCs, Vayne while not great as a main villain actually had a somewhat reasonable motive unlike most in the series, I liked that they used an entire new set of summons with each having some backstory and their own fights, the moogle redesign, the elite marks, and i like the Judges even though they were mostly wasted potential.

Definitely one of the weakest OSTs and the cast is on the lower end for those that ive played but i loved it overall. And while i dont like the job system the changes in the remake were great overall.

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Not a fan of 12 personally, but that's a good price, i'd say buy it if you're interested.

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SilentSeph posted...

Do you mind sharing those reasons? I've beaten both versions and The Zodiac Age is definitely superior to the original. New weapons/armor, new job system, map overlay, 2x and 4x speed up, updated visuals, reorchestrated music, Trial Mode, New Game+, etc. were all added to the remake. What does the original have over all of that?

Well, it's been eternities and please understand this is second hand information so I'd never be able to satisfy your curiosity like a direct conversation, but apparently they stuck in a character growth system everyone thought they wanted but when it finally was released no one actually wanted it. I presume this significantly and negatively impacted the gameplay. I don't recall him being critical of the graphics or music. In fact, we were swapping back and forth between the remake and the original and he seemed melancholic that he couldn't really enjoy them.

The only real difference between the original and the updated rerelease (not a remake) is the imposing of a class system over the skill system.

The original just gives you a board with everything, for everyone and says, do whatever you want.
The rerelease replaces that with smaller skill boards, based on the class you chose for a character.

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Well...for me, no. I like the traditional FFs. FF12 has a got of game, but I don't find any of it very interesting. The story is kinda dull, exploration is broken (no fixed good treasures), there's no Nobuo music, everything is grindy, and combat just involves simple programming. None of that really caught my attention.

But $25 isn't a terrible price if you want it as a time-waster.

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Red_Frog posted...

Well, it's been eternities and please understand this is second hand information so I'd never be able to satisfy your curiosity like a direct conversation, but apparently they stuck in a character growth system everyone thought they wanted but when it finally was released no one actually wanted it. I presume this significantly and negatively impacted the gameplay. I don't recall him being critical of the graphics or music. In fact, we were swapping back and forth between the remake and the original and he seemed melancholic that he couldn't really enjoy them.

I guess I could see why someone would prefer the old system but I think the one in TZA is more interesting since the characters aren't carbon copies of each other that can do and equip everything. In TZA your choices feel more meaningful and you have more incentive to switch characters to handle different situations. I don't know how well it sold but generally I gather that people prefer the TZA and its new system to the original. To each his own, though.

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I dont know cause I havent played that one.

Mead out.

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Did PS4 add the feature where you had the original full tree, or just the class trees?
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DeltaBladeX posted...

Did PS4 add the feature where you had the original full tree, or just the class trees?

Still only the class trees afaik.


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SilentSeph posted...

I guess I could see why someone would prefer the old system but I think the one in TZA is more interesting since the characters aren't carbon copies of each other that can do and equip everything. In TZA your choices feel more meaningful and you have more incentive to switch characters to handle different situations. I don't know how well it sold but generally I gather that people prefer the TZA and its new system to the original. To each his own, though.

Yeah I've never personally heard anyone saying they were nostalgic for the old system, but to be honest The Zodiac Age's existence feels like an exercise in showing how unfocused the original was. Final Fantasy XII was just a weird one for me. There are things I want to like about it, but there is just nothing that really holds my attention. The Zodiac Age didn't really make that much better for me personally.

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If, by that, you mean SE pays you the $25 to play it, I'd probably still say no, personally, but it might differ for you.

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The only thing I could say to TC is to weigh it against what its normal price is, if they like RPGs in that style (Youtube some gameplay footage and stuff) and decide if $25 bucks is worth blowing on a game they may or may not ever finish or get around to.

Me personally? I would wait until it was lower, but I'm also kind of skewed against JRPG in general. If TC is into that sorta thing, I can see risking a little extra, and it's no shortage of gameplay. The problem is that not all of that gameplay is easily likeable imo.

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12 sucks. Worst combat in the series terrible characters.

I don't particularly like 12 but its probably worth the price. I still got 60+ hours of enjoyment out of it.

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ParanoidObsessive posted...

Those people need to be medicated immediately, both for their safety and for ours.

Cant be worse than the new ones. I hate the non-turned-based garbage.

It is, but not for the shitty PS4 version with the low frame rate and tons of input lag.

zebatov posted...

Cant be worse than the new ones. I hate the non-turned-based garbage.

You're describing XII

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Metalsonic66 posted...

You're describing XII

12 is still Turn-Based.

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It is @EvilMegas favorite last I knew but I'm pretty sure that's just cause Fran is a cute (and useless) bunny girl.

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I actually like almost everything about 12.

-If you set your gambits right you could essentially autobattle.
-The story was okay, nothing groundbreaking but it was engaging.
-The setting was cool, the enemies are cool.

The characters are hit and miss. If you didn't like Tidus and Yuna you'll especially hate Vaan and penelo

Also bunny girls

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the game is pretty short

xenoblade is a good upgrade

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EvilMegas posted...

-If you set your gambits right you could essentially autobattle.

This was something I mostly disliked about the game, except when it came to obligatory level grinding - my least favorite thing in most RPGs anyhow.

EvilMegas posted...

-The story was okay, nothing groundbreaking but it was engaging.

The story had a lot of potential. But it felt like we were following a piece of cardboard with nasal congestion on a journey that didn't matter while everything interesting happened elsewhere.

EvilMegas posted...

-The setting was cool, the enemies are cool.

Like I said, everything interesting was away from where we were at almost any given time, and there was a whole lot of potential to be had.

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Entity13 posted...

This was something I mostly disliked about the game, except when it came to obligatory level grinding - my least favorite thing in most RPGs anyhow.

The story had a lot of potential. But it felt like we were following a piece of carboard with nasal congestion on a journey that didn't matter while everything interesting happened elsewhere.

Like I said, everything interesting was away from where we were at almost any given time, and there was a whole lot of potential to be had.

I can agree to all of this.

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EvilMegas posted...

I actually like almost everything about 12.

-If you set your gambits right you could essentially autobattle.
-The story was okay, nothing groundbreaking but it was engaging.
-The setting was cool, the enemies are cool.

The characters are hit and miss. If you didn't like Tidus and Yuna you'll especially hate Vaan and penelo

Also bunny girls

You are entitled to your opinion. For my part:
1) I find autobattle boring
2) I find Fran very unappealing: I would be creeped out if such a "person" hung out around me.
3) Lots of recent games have beautiful settings...but not much of interest to do.
4) I didn't hate Vaan and Penelo. I just found them uninteresting, which might be worse.
I loved that they used the old Prologue in the prologue. After that...........eh.

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I like to play with Gambits turned off on my controlled character

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wpot posted...

2) I find Fran very unappealing: I would be creeped out if such a "person" hung out around me.

My problem with Fran was how she spoke. Every other Viera talked like normal, but she meandered about her words like a person consistently on drugs.

wpot posted...

I loved that they used the old Prologue in the prologue. After that...........eh.

Every time I heard the main FF theme in XII, I felt like it was some desperate beggar screaming, "I'M FINAL FANTASY! I'M FINAL FANTASY! I'M FINAL FANTASYYY...!" before degenerating into tears over the broken dream of what could have been.


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12 isn't the worst one (13 is), but it is also one I never had a desire to go back to once I completed the main story. If anything, I think the lazy storytelling for Final Fantasy 13 started with 12.

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Dikitain posted...

12 isn't the worst one (13 is), but it is also one I never had a desire to go back to once I completed the main story. If anything, I think the lazy storytelling for Final Fantasy 13 started with 12.

See, I disagree with XIII being even as bad as XII. I would not call it good--there is only so much carrying one man's afro can do, and this game isn't it--but I would call it superior to XII despite being 78% tutorial and 90% needlessly convoluted plot with unnecessary amounts of non-words in its fell-on-face attempt to sound legit interesting. That should tell you how much I loathe XII.

I wanted to say II or VIII are the worst of the numbered or mainline FFs (discounting sequels), but that is easily XII. XIII is the fourth worst, and somehow I still liked it; maybe more than a quarter of IV (a notably better game).

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Nah, 13 was the biggest slog in FF history.
Without Sazh the game is unplayable.

It just was bad...like all of it.

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Entity13 posted...

Every time I heard the main FF theme in XII, I felt like it was some desperate beggar screaming, "I'M FINAL FANTASY! I'M FINAL FANTASY! I'M FINAL FANTASYYY...!" before degenerating into tears over the broken dream of what could have been.

Yeah, that. :)

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ff15 is the best/worst ff game i've played
it looks enjoyable but it's jus constant bullcrap with enemy attack patterns, random level jumps in the enemies and then like a dead end in terms of story and the world map
it's like a 15 hour game that takes 40 hours and by the time you start to have fun it throws another level grind at you with no available quest to do
it wasn't so much leveling up but having enough resources to take on a boss that always seems to be higher than you, like you don't level up in ff15 you simply jus replenish your inventory stock
so you litterally do quest to jus fill up your items list, to get exp because the game doesn't give you any


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Update: I didnt end up buying it, but I bought Okami HD and Odin Sphere instead for around the same price.

Huzzah! That's a much better use of your money. =)

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HellSpawn666 posted...

Okami HD

Played it for the first time on Switch.
Great game but entirely too long imo and I know my friend felt the same way but that's just us.
Enjoy.

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At twenty five yeah it's worth it. However that's only if you finish it. It's kinda meh and invarice is better experienced with the tactics system.

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FFXII is my second favorite (behind 6).

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