Board 8 > Favorite Ace Attorney third case?

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E2-3 > 1-3 > 6-3 > L-3 > 5-3 > G1-3 > G2-3 > 3-3 > E1-3 > 2-3 > 4-3

The first five are all top 10-15 cases in the series for me. Such a loaded case number.

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The Rite of Turnabout is what happens when you make your middle case feel like a finale. Its amazing.

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E2-3 > 5-3 > 3-3 > 1-3 > 6-3 > E1-3 > 2-3 > 4-3

Can't remember L-3 that well; probably around E1-3?

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I like Apollo Justice more than most, but if 4-3 gets even one vote I'm calling bullshit.

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The series didn't really break out of its "third case troubles" until Investigations.

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6-3 > L-3 > E2-3 > 1-3 > 3-3 > 2-3 > 4-3 > 5-3 > E1-3

The top three are all really close and are just as good as any finale case imo. 6-3 gets all the love it deserves, but L-3 is really just an incredible case - absolutely the peak of that game and the one time Layton vs Wright hits peak AA levels of good. E2-3 is also finale-like in its stakes and it was really the first time in the Edgeworth games that I felt like a case was actually important TO Edgeworth.

1-3 is just a classic. It's like, maybe the platonic ideal of an AA case, the lightning in a bottle that the series still tries to catch with every new game. It's Phoenix and Maya and Edgeworth and the Steel Samurai and all of these classic AA gimmicks and while it does have some weird pacing issues it's really just great.

3-3 is underrated! It has some issues that could have been easily fixed (why does the retrial take place like a month later instead of the next day?) but I really like all of the locations and the characters.

I get why people don't like 2-3 but I think it deserves to be looked at a bit more fondly - the first day is a bit annoying and the murder is a bit hard to believe, but Acro is great, I really like Franziska in this case, and the fact that it's a Phoenix + Maya case really deserves to be treasured and not overlooked since there's so few of them.

4-3 is also kinda underrated, it's like probably the only time in AA4 that I actually had fun with any of the characters or the murder setup, lol. The video isn't THAT bad. The sound board was fun. This is also the only case where Apollo has personal stakes and isn't just getting dragged around.

5-3 has great pacing, but it's a little disappointing in the end - just didn't really like the characters or the mystery all that much.

E1-3 is kinda meh and anticlimactic.

reminder e1-3 made the blue badger theme good

also the intro owns

otherwise the case sucks tho

Paratroopa1 posted...

4-3 is also kinda underrated, it's like probably the only time in AA4 that I actually had fun with any of the characters or the murder setup, lol. The video isn't THAT bad. The sound board was fun. This is also the only case where Apollo has personal stakes and isn't just getting dragged around.

I get what you're saying in a sense. The Apollo/Daryan showdown is pretty good.

But the logic of the case just doesn't work at all. It makes absolutely zero sense for Machi to be a suspect. The prosecution's case is full of holes and yet Apollo can't seem to find a single one of them. It's kinda frustrating and makes him feel a bit incompetent. Like, I get Phoenix had derp moments in PW1, too, but his mistakes feel more like naivete and inexperience more than straight incompetence. It's the only case that can actually make me angry while I play it.

I totally agree with you on 2-3 though. I ranked it second to last, but that's just because I really like most third cases.

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Apollo is kind of an idiot on the first day of 4-3 but he's actually pretty good on the second day so he kinda redeems himself imo

Voted 1-3 for all its iconic moments, but there are a lot of solid choices here.

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I've only played 1 through 6 and E1, so I'm missing out on a couple of seemingly really well-liked ones, but 5-3 seems like the obvious winner here to me.

5-3 > 3-3 > 1-3 > E1-3 > 6-3 > 2-3 > 4-3

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Paratroopa1 posted...

Apollo is kind of an idiot on the first day of 4-3 but he's actually pretty good on the second day so he kinda redeems himself imo

yeah but then Trucy and Lamiroir annoy the heck out of me on day 2 with the "yeah Machi will get convicted for a crime he obviously didn't commit if you don't figure out this magic trick but I can't tell you how it works" crap (one of the best things 6-2 did was not repeat this mistake)

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5-3 and it's not even close. 1-3 is okay but the rest, of the ones I've played, are awful. 2-3 is annoying. 3-3 is far and away the worst case in the series. 4-3 is probably the third-worst and the fact that it isn't the worst in its own game really says just how fucking awful 4-2 is. E1-3 sets up the characters from the epic case well, but the case-exclusive characters are horrendous.

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Only played 1, 2, 3, 5 and 6 so

2-3 and 3-3 aren't very good. 5-3 isn't great, though I like the culprit

1-3 and 6-3 are both great for all the reasons stated so far. I think I'd give it to 1-3 though because 1-3 manages to be good despite the lack of personal stakes, while 6-3 goes back to a veeeerrrry familiar well. I kind of rolled my eyes in 6-3 when I found out who I'd be defending, but the case being excellent more than made up for it. Just not enough for me to rank it over 1-3.
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3s are some great cases!

1-3 is basically where AA1 went from good to great.

3-3 is hilarious and just a blast the whole way through.

5-3 is amazing, best or second best case in that game. Loved the villain and the cast.

DGS1-3 is the best case in that game, I think (though it's a short case, and a not as great game). DGS2-3 was the best case in that game as well.

I didn't think 6-3 was good, despite the love it gets! Dragged on too long for me and it had more Nahyuta than any other case, which is a VERY bad thing.
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Mac Arrowny posted...

it had more Nahyuta than any other case, which is a VERY bad thing.

this is true but it was also the only time you really see him in his element in Khura'in so it's interesting to see him know how to game the system in 6-3

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It is a bit interesting, but I hate Nahyuta more than any other AA character, so interesting's not quite enough :p
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I love 5-3's settings and characters so went with that one. 6-3 has great mystery but it felt pretty tiring by the end.

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the end of 5-3's day one is extremely high tier for that class
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1-3 is great for all the reasons stated so far, it is the moment Ace Attorney became Ace Attorney. Good cast, it introduced so many now standard elements of the series, standout setpieces, and a legitimately interesting conclusion. I like the killer a lot here.
2-3 sucks. Everybody in it sucks, the murder is ridiculous, the setting doesn't work, and there's no depth to 90% of the cast.
3-3 has its moments and I'm fond of like half of it (Tigre is fun!), but it's too messy to win overall imo.
5-3 could've been a great but some of the student stuff doesn't work for me. I was not a fan of how they handled Robin. Some cool setpieces though with the murder, and the killer breakdown is fun.

Haven't played the others yet!

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I don't know if Golden Court is my favorite third case, but it's my favorite from PLvsPW and decided to give it a vote.

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2-3, 4-3, E1-3 are probably my 3 least favorite cases in the whole series. 3-3 isn't very good either. 1-3 is good, E2-3 and 5-3 are great. haven't played 6-3 yet even though i bought SoJ like three years ago. completely lost interest during 6-1.

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HasteDeux posted...

I don't know if Golden Court is my favorite third case, but it's my favorite from PLvsPW and decided to give it a vote.

The Golden Court really deserves more votes, but it's hard because even I didn't vote for it because I barely like 6-3 more

Yeah, Golden Court is incredible. It's kind of ironic that they were able to make the best case in the game by completely removing Layton from the equation.

But that final twist is just so unexpected and well done.

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Leonhart4 posted...

Yeah, Golden Court is incredible. It's kind of ironic that they were able to make the best case in the game by completely removing Layton from the equation.

But that final twist is just so unexpected and well done.

Yeah it's actually shocking that LvW of all games actually managed to shock me with a twist on a level that even most actual AA games don't pull off. Golden Court's twist is like maybe top 5 in the entire franchise, top 10 for sure at least

2-3 is great. By far my biggest departure from this board, I love that case. Ben and Moe are two of the funniest characters in the series and the confrontation with Acro is stellar.

I also really, really like 1-3.
Paratroopa1 posted...

1-3 is just a classic. It's like, maybe the platonic ideal of an AA case, the lightning in a bottle that the series still tries to catch with every new game. It's Phoenix and Maya and Edgeworth and the Steel Samurai and all of these classic AA gimmicks and while it does have some weird pacing issues it's really just great.

This sums up my feelings. Like, to be honest? There's a very good chance that if 1-3 hadn't been as good as it was, I would never have played another Ace Attorney game. That case just completely clicked with me and sold me on the series' concept. So much fun, great twists, great witnesses.

3-3's good too! It's funny, Tigre is a fun and effective antagonist, and Phoenix's trap for him at the end is a thing of utter beauty.

I... kinda feel the series lost its way with case 3's after the original trilogy. Well, no, that's not fair; E2-3 is good! But otherwise... I really want to like 5-3 because I love Athena/Blackquill content but the murder doesn't do it for me (and I hate the triple confession scene), 6-3 feels incredibly bloated and drives home why I dislike the Kurain setting (you face an incompetent prosecutorial case, but you gets to "lose" because you're in a police state's kangaroo court, but then said police state happily lets you wander free to go investigating with their princess...), E1-3 and 4-3 are probably bottom five cases for me.

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NeoElfboy posted...

Ben and Moe are two of the funniest characters in the series and the confrontation with Acro is stellar.

I kinda hate day 1 Moe. Day 2 Moe is great though, mostly because he stops trying to be funny.

Trilo makes me laugh almost nonstop though.

NeoElfboy posted...

but then said police state happily lets you wander free to go investigating with their princess...

yeah I loved the twist at the end of day 1 but this kinda took a lot of the punch out of it

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I once wrote a scene to explain why Phoenix was able to investigate day 2 and my justification was that Rayfa had taken a begrudging liking to Phoenix and wanted to go investigate with him more so she asked her father to go easy on him and he let her because he has a soft spot for her daughter. that would have been REALLY EASY to do! it tells us a lot about the relationships with these characters and serves for an easy justification for how day 2 works at all

Yeah, I think there's an easy justification to be made through Rayfa's growing attachment to Phoenix if they had just taken the time to include it.

(Phoenix/Rayfa is such a good duo though. It does so much for Rayfa's character because I really hated her after 6-1, and I swung all the way in the other direction after 6-3)

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Between 5 and Investigations 2 for me.

Haven't played SoJ yet but the high amount of votes there apparently gives me something to look forward to.

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Man, considering the third cases get a bad rap sometimes, there are lots of good ones here!

1-3 is iconic, 3-3 is hilarious and the best Phoenix/Maya case ever, 5-3 is really good, and 6-3 is just colossal. And apparently E2 and the Layton game are good too!

I voted for 3-3 here, since I cheated and looked at the poll results first and 6-3 was winning anyway. I knew 3-3 had it's detractors but I thought it was just a tiny vocal minority, weird to see the disdain here. You people need a better sense of humour!

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looks like i agree with leon's ranking almost top to bottom. 1-3 over e2-3 is arguable but i went with e2-3.

and yeah, no strong feelings on layton, plus haven't seen DGS
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SeabassDebeste posted...

looks like i agree with leon's ranking almost top to bottom. 1-3 over e2-3 is arguable but i went with e2-3.

Yup, in full agreement here, too.

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Giggsalot posted...

Man, considering the third cases get a bad rap sometimes, there are lots of good ones here!

1-3 is iconic, 3-3 is hilarious and the best Phoenix/Maya case ever, 5-3 is really good, and 6-3 is just colossal. And apparently E2 and the Layton game are good too!

I voted for 3-3 here, since I cheated and looked at the poll results first and 6-3 was winning anyway. I knew 3-3 had it's detractors but I thought it was just a tiny vocal minority, weird to see the disdain here. You people need a better sense of humour!

I like 3-3 a lot, too, despite the relatively low ranking! This is just a loaded category.

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5-3 > 6-3> L-3>1-3 > 3-3 > 2-3 > E-3 > 4-3

Turnabout Academy is pretty good. Robin is problematic, but Junie and Hugh are great and the atmosphere is wonderful.

6-3 has some issues, but overall a fairly interesting use of the seance mechanic.

In Layton 3 Layton gets turned into a gold statue and maya freakin dies. Points for melodrama.

1-3 has already been talked about. It's great.

3-3 love me some furio tigre and kubo. could do without lisa basil and whats his face cafe owner.

2-3 annoying annoying annoying.Every witness must be: annoying. The defendant must be: annoying. Franziska must be: incompetent. The murderer must be: the only likeable character. Great idea.

E-3 I kind of dig the Kay stuff in this case, but Meekins. But Meekins.

4-3 The worst case in the series.


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More people need to play AAI2 it seems

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What's the best way to play AAI2 these days? People can DM me if necessary.

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You can only play it in English via emulator. You can find a guide for installing the translation patch.

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A case in my bottom tier has a lot of votes, interesting.

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Crescent-Moon posted...

A case in my bottom tier has a lot of votes, interesting.

is it 5-3

5-3 does one thing that really offends me, but nope~

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