Poll of the Day > Controversial Opinion #2: FFXIII is the best Final Fantasy

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blu
04/02/21 7:50:24 PM
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It has the best story, battle system, and best cast of the series.
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Lokarin
04/02/21 7:52:28 PM
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blu posted...
It has the best story, battle system, and best cast of the series.

It has possibly the worst story, although the battle system is pretty good

As for the cast - it's debatable; they certainly have solid dramatic moments, ... once each; but nothing else to really unite them.

For example; you spend a significant portion of the early game in a section of just Hope+Lightning as well as Vanille+Sasz - none of them rub off on each other, existing only to be witness to the other.

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ParanoidObsessive
04/02/21 7:55:19 PM
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blu posted...
It has the best story, battle system, and best cast of the series.

Are you from the same mirror universe as helly?
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papercup
04/02/21 8:02:34 PM
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Controversial is a weird way to spell "wrong"

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Nichtcrawler X
04/02/21 8:25:18 PM
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I misread and was agreeing at first...

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agesboy
04/02/21 8:37:07 PM
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blu posted...
battle system,
13-2 objectively has a better battle system by being the same but more, and wide open at the beginning (instead of 70% through the game)

13-2 is the best final fantasy game

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Entity13
04/02/21 8:42:24 PM
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There is no best FF. There are only some that are more enjoyable than others, and a few that should easily be the worst (eg., II).

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JigsawTDC
04/02/21 8:44:07 PM
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Entity13 posted...
(eg., II).

XIII is way worse than II.
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Lokarin
04/02/21 9:00:56 PM
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JigsawTDC posted...
XIII is way worse than II.

2 has the worst battle system of the lot, slightly worse characters than 13, but a fairly better story... so they're about equal

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LinkPizza
04/02/21 9:06:52 PM
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I had fun with it!
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ParanoidObsessive
04/02/21 9:14:24 PM
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Lokarin posted...
2 has the worst battle system of the lot, slightly worse characters than 13, but a fairly better story... so they're about equal

2's battle system is fine, it's only real problem is the leveling system.

As for characters, I'd easily take the characters of II over the ones in XIII. Though both are still better than the bland cardboard of XII or the mostly-terrible ones from FVIII.

As for the story... well, now it's time to post this:

http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2010/04/14
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BlackScythe0
04/02/21 10:16:10 PM
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I hated 13, I thought x-2 had the best battle system.
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JigsawTDC
04/02/21 10:20:28 PM
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X-2 also had my favorite battle system of the turn-based era. The way it flowed and looked on screen made it feel like the battles were happening naturally in real time while still being turn-based.
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DevilSummoner1
04/02/21 10:23:08 PM
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Entity13 posted...
There is no best FF. There are only some that are more enjoyable than others, and a few that should easily be the worst (eg., II).



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blu
04/02/21 10:34:06 PM
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I didnt like 13-2 at all, it was one of my least favorite out of every FF. I really enjoyed 13-3 though.
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LinkPizza
04/02/21 10:36:45 PM
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blu posted...
I didnt like 13-2 at all, it was one of my least favorite out of every FF. I really enjoyed 13-3 though.

I like 13-2. I think 13-3 had sort of a cool concept. But I just couldn't get into it. And I love Lightning...
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agesboy
04/03/21 12:43:59 AM
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13-3 was like a whole different metric

i just dunno how you'd like 13-1 more than 13-2 considering its the same but better

13-1 was a cinematic experience marred by game pacing issues, and 13-2 (by throwing all the game aspects at you immediately) fixed its' one issue

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LinkPizza
04/03/21 12:55:15 AM
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agesboy posted...
i just dunno how you'd like 13-1 more than 13-2 considering its the same but better

13-1 was a cinematic experience marred by game pacing issues, and 13-2 (by throwing all the game aspects at you immediately) fixed its' one issue

I liked both, but I think I had more fun with 13-1... From what I remember, at least. The pacing was a little weird, but eh...
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Lokarin
04/03/21 12:56:05 AM
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i want to like 13-2, but the pet level achievement triggers my achievement OCD so I couldn't play 'cuz obsessed with the stat plan

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Ferarri619
04/03/21 1:02:30 AM
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I've personally only played 1, IV, VII, VIII and XIII, and gotta say I like VIII the best. If I try any FF games in the future I really doubt they can top it tbh. Pretty much love everything about it. Rinoa best girl too, though Tifa is sluttier looking.

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Rotpar
04/03/21 1:53:12 AM
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FF13 was absolutely terrible. We could argue the FF series is just bad.

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Nichtcrawler X
04/03/21 7:17:15 AM
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ParanoidObsessive posted...
Though both are still better than the bland cardboard of XII

Only Vaan and Penelo at times, but they are easy to ignore, since Vaan is just the viewpoint character and not the protagonist (after the tutorial/intro section.)

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ParanoidObsessive
04/03/21 7:32:33 AM
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Nichtcrawler X posted...
Only Vaan and Penelo at times, but they are easy to ignore, since Vaan is just the viewpoint character and not the protagonist (after the tutorial/intro section.)

Not really. Balthier's about the only one who actually has worthwhile personality (and that only because he's the "Han Solo" of the piece). Ashe and Basch may be plot motivators, but they overplay "stoic" to the point of boredom, and don't ever really feel like the main characters.

As much as some people will lean into the "Vaan's not the main character!" argument, it doesn't really wash. As the viewpoint character, he IS the character who has the most profound effect on how the audience sees the narrative. If your viewpoint character is an annoying little shit, it detracts from everything. If your viewpoint character is the least interesting character in the entire setting, it makes the entire story (and everyone in it) seem less interesting by proxy.

Though I wasn't necessarily just thinking of the core characters. Most of the supporting cast and antagonists are utterly forgettable as well (except for the ones that are just plain annoying/irritating). Something not helped by poor voice direction (something FF's always suffered from a bit).
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Nichtcrawler X
04/03/21 9:31:05 AM
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ParanoidObsessive posted...
Most of the supporting cast and antagonists are utterly forgettable as well (except for the ones that are just plain annoying/irritating). Something not helped by poor voice direction (something FF's always suffered from a bit).

I will admit Vayne is one of the less interesting antagonists of the series, but that is more than made up for by brilliant characters like Dr. Cid.

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Entity13
04/03/21 11:33:56 AM
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ParanoidObsessive posted...
As much as some people will lean into the "Vaan's not the main character!" argument, it doesn't really wash. As the viewpoint character, he IS the character who has the most profound effect on how the audience sees the narrative. If your viewpoint character is an annoying little s***, it detracts from everything. If your viewpoint character is the least interesting character in the entire setting, it makes the entire story (and everyone in it) seem less interesting by proxy.

It's more that he wasn't meat to be in the game at all, and removing him and Penelo both would have saved some development time on Ashe and Basch. Not that SE would have used that time wisely, but still, it's an easy cause and flaw to point toward when we've managed to wake up after the game inflicts real life sleep status on the lot of us.

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BADoglick
04/03/21 11:48:43 AM
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Ff13 was beat for beat a ripoff of star wars

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Metalsonic66
04/03/21 1:39:21 PM
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XIII made a lot of big mistakes but the battle system was really good (after the 20 hour tutorial)

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kukukupo
04/03/21 1:58:34 PM
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FF1 is still the best
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zebatov
04/03/21 4:28:21 PM
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IX is the best, all-around.

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ArvTheGreat
04/03/21 7:37:46 PM
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IX is overrated

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Lokarin
04/03/21 8:23:46 PM
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FF9 only has like 2 dungeons.

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JigsawTDC
04/03/21 8:31:49 PM
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ParanoidObsessive posted...
If your viewpoint character is the least interesting character in the entire setting, it makes the entire story (and everyone in it) seem less interesting by proxy.

To be fair, Vaan is the second least interesting character. Penelo contributes literally nothing at all and is just there.
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Ferarri619
04/03/21 11:53:12 PM
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Lokarin posted...
FF9 only has like 2 dungeons.

Honestly that sounds awesome. Can't wait to play it after I'm done FF7

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Lokarin
04/04/21 12:00:06 AM
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Ferarri619 posted...
Honestly that sounds awesome. Can't wait to play it after I'm done FF7

ok, realtalk - while the story isn't that great, it's the best "written" final fantasy, if that makes any sense

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Ferarri619
04/04/21 1:32:45 AM
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I should really give XIII another chance someday.
Funny how you can play the whole trilogy on Xbox One/Series but not on PS4 or PS5

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ParanoidObsessive
04/04/21 2:56:50 PM
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BADoglick posted...
Ff13 was beat for beat a ripoff of star wars

Final Fantasy has been ripping off Star Wars for decades. It's why they keep putting "Biggs" and "Wedge" in as side-characters as a nod and a wink.
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Dikitain
04/04/21 5:34:15 PM
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BADoglick posted...
Ff13 was beat for beat a ripoff of star wars

That is an insult to Star Wars...

[LFAQs-redacted-quote]

Honestly unless you are playing the game completely wrong, you almost have to try and run out of time in XIII-3 without completing everything (well, at least everything that it is possible to complete in a single playthough).


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Metalsonic66
04/04/21 9:05:11 PM
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BADoglick posted...
Ff13 was beat for beat a ripoff of star wars
Elaborate

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Lokarin
04/04/21 9:54:11 PM
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Metalsonic66 posted...
Elaborate

obviously it's how Snow and Lightning's interpersonal relationship mirrors thousands of jedi younglings who loved the series dying at the hands of Darth Disney

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Entity13
04/05/21 12:48:45 AM
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Dikitain posted...
That is an insult to Star Wars...

And that is even including the Christmas special (coming from someone who actually liked XIII).

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Lokarin
04/05/21 12:55:27 AM
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Entity13 posted...
And that is even including the Christmas special (coming from someone who actually liked XIII).

Realtalk: I'd rather watch the Holiday Special over 8 or 9.... 7 pretty solid tho


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