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cjsdowg
03/26/21 2:48:20 PM
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literacy- Guess I would fail.

https://twitter.com/MattWalshBlog/status/1375255187464585216

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SocialistGamer
03/26/21 2:50:43 PM
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Litarcy

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Tyranthraxus
03/26/21 2:53:06 PM
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Can't wait for this to backfire when none of the Qanon idiots can pass it..

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Another_Voice
03/26/21 2:53:42 PM
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I unironically have no problem with this. If someone's too stupid to read, they probably have absolutely no idea what they're voting for or what the candidates' policies are, and they are more easily manipulated/influenced by outside sources (i.e. people coercing them to vote a certain way).
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Garioshi
03/26/21 2:55:31 PM
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Another_Voice posted...
I unironically have no problem with this. If someone's too stupid to read, they probably have absolutely no idea what they're voting for or what the candidates' policies are, and they are more easily manipulated/influenced by outside sources (i.e. people coercing them to vote a certain way).
Shut the fuck up

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TheGoldenEel
03/26/21 2:56:50 PM
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Another_Voice posted...
I unironically have no problem with this. If someone's too stupid to read, they probably have absolutely no idea what they're voting for or what the candidates' policies are, and they are more easily manipulated/influenced by outside sources (i.e. people coercing them to vote a certain way).
This isnt how America works

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Pitlord_Special
03/26/21 3:02:15 PM
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Sounds like a waste of time if you ask me. We should be moving to a shareholder model of voting where votes are weighed in favor of those individuals (and entities!) who pay the most in taxes. That is, corporations are people too and deserve to have voting power if theyre paying taxes.

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Rathinor
03/26/21 3:04:26 PM
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Another_Voice posted...
I unironically have no problem with this. If someone's too stupid to read, they probably have absolutely no idea what they're voting for or what the candidates' policies are, and they are more easily manipulated/influenced by outside sources (i.e. people coercing them to vote a certain way).
Aren't you a Trump supporter? Trump never would have been elected with this mentality
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wackyteen
03/26/21 3:08:05 PM
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Every American has a right to vote.

Any attempts to actively limit that right should be met with literal treason charges and the punishment doled out sooner rather than later.

Don't fuck around with these people. They want to control your lives because they literally view themselves as above you.

And I'm someone who believes big government is infinitely preferable to small government

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creativerealms
03/26/21 3:08:39 PM
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Won't that harm republican voters?

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FortuneCookie
03/26/21 3:09:50 PM
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I mean, the electoral college picks the president anyway. Voter suppression is ultimately just a distraction from the fact that voters don't matter anyway.
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cjsdowg
03/26/21 3:09:53 PM
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creativerealms posted...
Won't that harm republican voters?


Not when they get to judge the exam.

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wackyteen
03/26/21 3:10:12 PM
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creativerealms posted...
Won't that harm republican voters?
If they harm 20% of their electorate and 21% of the Dem electorate that'd okay with them

They would cut off their own nose to spite their own face.

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SevenTenths
03/26/21 3:10:15 PM
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Nah, just make ranked voting a national law for any public office and call it a day.

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SPE
03/26/21 3:11:26 PM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
Can't wait for this to backfire when none of the Qanon idiots can pass it..

in true Jim Crow fashion, these tests would only be applied at certain countries. Because, you know, reasons.... what about antifa tho? /s

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wackyteen
03/26/21 3:11:26 PM
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FortuneCookie posted...
I mean, the electoral college picks the president anyway. Voter suppression is ultimately just a distraction from the fact that voters don't matter anyway.
Tf logic is this.

The way the EC votes is based on which way the voters vote (generally).

This literally affects the EC

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TheGoldenEel
03/26/21 3:12:07 PM
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FortuneCookie posted...
I mean, the electoral college picks the president anyway. Voter suppression is ultimately just a distraction from the fact that voters don't matter anyway.
Just so you know, there are elections for more than just the president

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Trumble
03/26/21 3:12:32 PM
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wackyteen posted...
Every American has a right to vote.

Any attempts to actively limit that right should be met with literal treason charges and the punishment doled out sooner rather than later.

Don't fuck around with these people. They want to control your lives because they literally view themselves as above you.

And I'm someone who believes big government is infinitely preferable to small government

So do you feel the voting age should be higher, or lower? What makes the current age - or the new one you'd put - the sole exception to your "every American" criteria? What magically makes people "ready" at that age, more so than being actually informed would?

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creativerealms
03/26/21 3:13:34 PM
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wackyteen posted...
If they harm 20% of their electorate and 21% of the Dem electorate that'd okay with them

They would cut off their own nose to spite their own face.
Somehow I doubt there are more illiterate People voting democrat then republican.

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ThyCorndog
03/26/21 3:14:04 PM
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SevenTenths
03/26/21 3:14:50 PM
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creativerealms posted...
Somehow I doubt there are more illiterate People voting democrat then republican.

You are assuming a test would be fair. You should know better.

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Rathinor
03/26/21 3:15:16 PM
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creativerealms posted...
Somehow I doubt there are more illiterate People voting democrat then republican.
Exactly. Donald Trump was president, lmao
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Questionmarktarius
03/26/21 3:15:20 PM
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https://www.eac.gov/voters/voting-accessibility
You're allowed to bring someone with you to help you vote.
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FortuneCookie
03/26/21 3:15:30 PM
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wackyteen posted...
Tf logic is this.

The way the EC votes is based on which way the voters vote (generally).

This literally affects the EC

In the past three decades, Republicans have gotten the majority vote once. The GOP should've been pushed off a cliff by now. But they have a near 50% success rate. Why?

Because the electoral college is supposed to vote in accordance with the will of the people, but they don't always do so. Maybe it's their job to maintain the status quo. Maybe they just have the wrong people making the decisions.

But there have been too many bad calls for me to have faith in the system. America won't be a true democracy until the electoral college is abolished.

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CyricZ
03/26/21 3:18:21 PM
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Trumble posted...
So do you feel the voting age should be higher, or lower?
16, but I'd be willing to go as low as 13.

What magically makes people "ready" at that age, more so than being actually informed would?
Nothing. That's the point.

Restriction of voting was only ever done to remove people considered "unworthy" of voting. Once you start to view people as unworthy of being part of the process, you start making excuses.

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FortuneCookie
03/26/21 3:18:40 PM
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TheGoldenEel posted...
Just so you know, there are elections for more than just the president

Granted.
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TheGoldenEel
03/26/21 3:18:58 PM
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CyricZ posted...
16, but I'd be willing to go as low as 13.
Quotes Taken Out Of Context

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Another_Voice
03/26/21 3:19:46 PM
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ThyCorndog posted...
is voting a right or not?

It's a right for US citizens, the key word being citizens.

...which is why the dems are so against voter ID
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wackyteen
03/26/21 3:20:27 PM
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Trumble posted...
So do you feel the voting age should be higher, or lower? What makes the current age - or the new one you'd put - the sole exception to your "every American" criteria? What magically makes people "ready" at that age, more so than being actually informed would?
I feel the current age is a fair limiter. It imposes a good age limit to stop parents from popping out kids just to make them vote a certain way and it ensures that they have had the opportunity to or have passed the basic school expectations of the society.

creativerealms posted...
Somehow I doubt there are more illiterate People voting democrat then republican.
I was just making up an example.

FortuneCookie posted...
Because the electoral college is supposed to vote in accordance with the will of the people, but they don't always do so. Maybe it's their job to maintain the status quo. Maybe they just have the wrong people making the decisions.
Besides a few faithless electors the EC HAS voted in the way they're supposed to.

It not reflecting the popular vote is by design to stop population centers like New York and Pennsylvania (at the time of creation) from controlling the small states

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SevenTenths
03/26/21 3:21:38 PM
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Imagine if GameFAQs actually modded trolling instead of people who take the bait

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CyricZ
03/26/21 3:21:41 PM
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TheGoldenEel posted...
Quotes Taken Out Of Context
Heyo.

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PoundGarden
03/26/21 3:22:14 PM
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Gotta say I siding with the GOP on this one *barfs*.
How in the fuck are you gonna cast a ballot when you have no idea what it even says?

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Rathinor
03/26/21 3:23:38 PM
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PoundGarden posted...
Gotta say I siding with the GOP on this one *barfs*.
How in the fuck are you gonna cast a ballot when you have no idea what it even says?
I think the argument is not that it's a bad idea overall, just that the GOP would be the ones measuring and it would probably be location dependent to maximize the disenfranchisement they love to do.
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FortuneCookie
03/26/21 3:23:52 PM
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wackyteen posted...
Besides a few faithless electors the EC HAS voted in the way they're supposed to.

It not reflecting the popular vote is by design to stop population centers like New York and Pennsylvania (at the time of creation) from controlling the small states

Those few faithless electors gave us Bush and Trump.
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Questionmarktarius
03/26/21 3:24:43 PM
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Another_Voice posted...
It's a right for US citizens, the key word being citizens.
I don't think that's quite correct.

From article 1
The House of Representatives shall be composed of Members chosen every second Year by the People of the several States, and the Electors in each State shall have the Qualifications requisite for Electors of the most numerous Branch of the State Legislature.
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Will_VIIII
03/26/21 3:24:52 PM
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Another_Voice posted...
It's a right for US citizens, the key word being citizens.

...which is why the dems are so against voter ID

Because it's a poll tax. Do you MAGAs still not get this?

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Trumble
03/26/21 3:24:54 PM
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FortuneCookie posted...
In the past three decades, Republicans have gotten the majority vote once. The GOP should've been pushed off a cliff by now. But they have a near 50% success rate. Why?

Because the electoral college is supposed to vote in accordance with the will of the people, but they don't always do so. Maybe it's their job to maintain the status quo. Maybe they just have the wrong people making the decisions.

But there have been too many bad calls for me to have faith in the system. America won't be a true democracy until the electoral college is abolished.

No, you just misunderstand how it works. You do not vote for the President. The states vote for the President. You vote to decide who your state should vote for.

The general impression I get is that more education around how this actually works would go a VERY long way. It definitely is different to how elections in other places, and even state govt elections in many states, work - but the complaints that they're "not electing the person they should" comes from a misunderstanding of what the people are actually voting for.

wackyteen posted...
I feel the current age is a fair limiter. It imposes a good age limit to stop parents from popping out kids just to make them vote a certain way and it ensures that they have had the opportunity to or have passed the basic school expectations of the society.

So you do support the idea that there should be some qualifier on a person's indepenence and capability of mind, you just would rather it be indirect and based on assumptions instead of actually testing the individual?

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SevenTenths
03/26/21 3:25:15 PM
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FortuneCookie posted...
Those few faithless electors gave us Bush and Trump.


Remember when posting false information as fact was a moddable offense. To bad the mod staff doesn't

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Trumble
03/26/21 3:25:30 PM
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Will_VIIII posted...
Because it's a poll tax. Do you MAGAs still not get this?

Dems seem to remain opposed to voter ID even when proposals would make the ID available completely free of charge.

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Tyranthraxus
03/26/21 3:25:51 PM
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PoundGarden posted...
Gotta say I siding with the GOP on this one *barfs*.
How in the fuck are you gonna cast a ballot when you have no idea what it even says?

A literacy test doesn't test whether you can read or not.

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wackyteen
03/26/21 3:25:53 PM
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PoundGarden posted...
Gotta say I siding with the GOP on this one *barfs*.
How in the fuck are you gonna cast a ballot when you have no idea what it even says?

If you've made it to the voting age and still have no idea how to read at even the most basic of levels, chances are you have no interest in politics/voting anyways.

But their idea of a literacy test would be full of bullshit full of easy "gotcha" questions to trip up people and make them unable to vote.

Or make it hours and hours and hours long to discourage people who can't take a day off of work.

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Trumble
03/26/21 3:26:30 PM
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shockthemonkey posted...
Youre allowed to have someone read it to you or have a device that tells you what it says or its literally your right to just tick off the box for whatever the fuck you want without knowing what any of it means

If someone can't (literally) read it, but can understand it when read to them or when they finger it (braille) or whatever, that is fine.

If someone can't comprehend it, regardless of the means of communication used to convey the information to them, they should not be voting.

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CyricZ
03/26/21 3:26:33 PM
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The problem is the positive versus negative approach.

We all want elections with informed voters.

The positive approach is to get out there and educate.

The negative approach is to punish if one isn't educated enough.

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FrisbeeDude
03/26/21 3:27:14 PM
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If dudes like this had their way, we go back to white Male landowners being the only ones able to vote

also, if you're disqualified from voting, should you still be made to pay taxes?

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Will_VIIII
03/26/21 3:27:24 PM
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Trumble posted...
Dems seem to remain opposed to voter ID even when proposals would make the ID available completely free of charge.
DMV hours and locations.

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Prismsblade
03/26/21 3:27:40 PM
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wackyteen posted...
Any attempts to actively limit that right should be met with literal treason charges and the punishment doled out sooner rather than later.
We limit the vote already through a variety of means from age, felonys, ID, and draft enlistment. So where are the calls for treason there?


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