Current Events > Republicans are literally calling for litarcy test for voting.

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FortuneCookie posted...

Those few faithless electors gave us Bush and Trump.

Uh... No.

As a result of the seven successfully cast faithless votes, the Democratic Party nominee, Hillary Clinton, lost five of her pledged electors while the Republican Party nominee and then president-elect, Donald Trump, lost two.

Trump won 306-232. Those five that swapped from Hillary didn't gift us Trump. It wouldn't have even made a dent

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Will_VIIII posted...

DMV hours and locations.

Always moving goalposts and excuses. I've always wondered why Dems are so against Voter ID's

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Prismsblade posted...

We limit the vote already through a variety of means from age, felonys, ID, and draft enlistment. So where are the calls for treason there?

I think most people who would argue against OP would argue against limiting by felony status, ID, and draft enlistment

those things are all wrong

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wackyteen posted...

Uh... No.

Trump won 306-232. Those five that swapped from Hillary didn't gift us Trump. It wouldn't have even made a dent

Also 306-232 is the result after the faithless electors were overruled. The faithless result is actually 304-227-7 (Trump still wins)

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Vyrulisse posted...

Always moving goalposts and excuses. I've always wondered why Dems are so against Voter ID's

Because voter fraud is a non issue and voter Id laws have no impact on reducing fraud but do have an impact on reducing poor and elderly voters.


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Vyrulisse posted...

Always moving goalposts and excuses. I've always wondered why Dems are so against Voter ID's

DMVs in my state have purposely been closed in heavily democrat areas.

They're also only open 8-4 Monday through Friday. If I need to go to the DMV I have to use PTO. Not everyone has this luxury.

This isn't goal posts or other DDIQ MAGA nonsense you're spouting, this is reality.

Make DMVs plentiful, open 7 am - 10 pm 7 days a week (excluding holidays), and make the voter ID free, then I'm on board with it being a requirement.

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Prismsblade posted...

We limit the vote already through a variety of means from age, felonys, ID, and draft enlistment. So where are the calls for treason there?

Age is a set standard and most people have no issue with it. I could see arguing for it to be lowered to 16. However if you lowered or removed it you'd literally have people popping kids out just to increase their vote share.

In prison felons shouldn't be able to vote. Those who committed violent crimes probably should be limited or not able to vote. I do think non-violent felons should be regifted their right to vote. The reason for violent felons not voting would be that they've clearly expressed hostility towards or a dangerous disinterest in the good of the society.

ID shouldn't be a requirement. And if it is a requirement then all efforts should be made by the State government to provide every single citizen with a proper ID. Failure to do so by the State officials should result in life prison sentences for willful unreasonable restriction to the right to vote of the legal citizenm


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this is completely sick and the people who spout it have sick motivations. it isn't worth acknowledging more than that.

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shockthemonkey posted...

Youre allowed to have someone read it to you or have a device that tells you what it says or its literally your right to just tick off the box for whatever the fuck you want without knowing what any of it means

No fucking shit. You think that's a great way to pick who runs things? Because let's be honest, we all know who the illiterates are (ironically) going to vote for


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Vyrulisse posted...

Always moving goalposts and excuses. I've always wondered why Dems are so against Voter ID's

Are any Dems against free voter ID that is provided by mail?

All arguments I've seen are based on availability or charging for said ID

If you can show an instance of a Republican offering a system where everyone automatically gets sent an ID fairly, then you have made a good point. Else, you're not really presenting your argument accurately

Prismsblade posted...

felonys, ID, and draft enlistment

Remove, give everyone ID, remove.

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PoundGarden posted...

You think that's a great way to pick who runs things?

Its not the "best" way on paper

But it's the most fair way to ensure that disenfranchised or abused people who have been abused/disenfranchised their entire life have the opportunity to vote/participate in the society they live in.

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FrisbeeDude posted...

also, if you're disqualified from voting, should you still be made to pay taxes?

honestly I think I would willingly give up my vote to pay 0 taxes

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kirbymuncher posted...

honestly I think I would willingly give up my vote to pay 0 taxes

No taxation without representation

So you'd prefer the opposite then? No representation without taxation?

But if you're living in the country you're being represented by somebody, so you'd have to leave the country.

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Trumble posted...

Dems seem to remain opposed to voter ID even when proposals would make the ID available completely free of charge.

It's a bullshit, as lawsuit after lawsuit will tell you.

If MAGAs want voter ID to be mandatory, support a NATIONAL campaign that guarantees every american a photo ID.

Short of a massive campaign to achieve that goal, all voter ID does is disenfranchise legal voters who dont have the paperwork to get an ID, or the ability to travel to a place that can give them one. There is no study that shows voter fraud to be a substantial issue. It's a poll tax.

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Not to mention that not everybody has access to or even the knowledge to get the required documents expected, IE birth certificates.

Not everybody knows what county/city they were born in and some don't even know their own SSN.

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This seems like it would have the potential to backfire on many Southern Republicans.

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CE has fallen a long way when this isn't universally condemned. The usual suspects are outright defending it. You wonder why you get called fascist, racist, or anti-democratic all the time? It's because you defend the practices from the Jim Crow chapter of your middle school text book and say things like "we all know who the illiterates will vote for"

That could be a quote from Strom Thurmond himself and no one would bat an eye.

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This would violate both the voting rights act and ADA

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CyricZ posted...

16, but I'd be willing to go as low as 13.

What!? Kids are fucking dumb. The voting age should be like 25 imo >_>

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NeonOctopus posted...

What!? Kids are fucking dumb. The voting age should be like 25 imo >_>

The average 13 year old is smarter than the average MAGA tho and we let them vote

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Probably not the best method of suppression when you're always crying about Liberals being educated.
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I will never get over the irony of the Republicans bitching so hard about this last election, when in reality they probably would have kept the Senate if they hadn't been such obnoxious douchebags after the election.

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wackyteen posted...

No taxation without representation

So you'd prefer the opposite then? No representation without taxation?

But if you're living in the country you're being represented by somebody, so you'd have to leave the country.

TBF he'd pay 0 tax to the USA if he did ayy lmao

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legendary_zell posted...

CE has fallen a long way when this isn't universally condemned. The usual suspects are outright defending it. You wonder why you get called fascist, racist, or anti-democratic all the time? It's because you defend the practices from the Jim Crow chapter of your middle school text book and say things like "we all know who the illiterates will vote for"

That could be a quote from Strom Thurmond himself and no one would bat an eye.

Some people here were all in favor of shit like this going back to the 2012 election. They would disguise their intent much better than some of the bottom tier trolls are now but this isn't new from CE.

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wackyteen posted...

Age is a set standard and most people have no issue with it. I could see arguing for it to be lowered to 16. However if you lowered or removed it you'd literally have people popping kids out just to increase their vote share.

In prison felons shouldn't be able to vote. Those who committed violent crimes probably should be limited or not able to vote. I do think non-violent felons should be regifted their right to vote. The reason for violent felons not voting would be that they've clearly expressed hostility towards or a dangerous disinterest in the good of the society.

ID shouldn't be a requirement. And if it is a requirement then all efforts should be made by the State government to provide every single citizen with a proper ID. Failure to do so by the State officials should result in life prison sentences for willful unreasonable restriction to the right to vote of the legal citizenm

All sound, well thought out, and understandable reasoning but why are other forms of voter limitation such as intelligence not given as much consideration?

Even if a good argument can be made. Especially when many people have done nothing the past 4 years but complain about how stupid these voters, anti vaxxers, and anti maskers are when a simple barrier of entry like this would shut most of them down completely.

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Prismsblade posted...

All sound, well thought out, and understandable reasoning but why are other forms of voter limitation such as intelligence not given as much consideration?

Even if a good argument can be made. Especially when many people have done nothing the past 4 years but complain about how stupid these voters, anti vaxxers, and anti maskers are when a simple barrier of entry like this would shut most of them down completely.

Who would design and administer this intelligence tests?

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Prismsblade posted...

All sound, well thought out, and understandable reasoning but why are other forms of voter limitation such as intelligence not given as much consideration?

Even if a good argument can be made. Especially when many people have done nothing the past 4 years but complain about how stupid these voters, anti vaxxers, and anti maskers are when a simple barrier of entry like this would shut most of them down completely.
3DS FC:3368-5403-9633 Name: Kaizer

What test are you going to use. I have LD that makes me spell like a Rocky Speaks can I still vote.


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NinjaWarrior455 posted...

Who would design and administer this intelligence tests?

I'd imagine itd be a basic, multiple choice online test with simple questions like 'what is a Democrat or Republican', 'who is running for presidency' 'what are their polices' 'what are taxs or interest' , 'the differance between federal, state, or local government' and so on.

Also It's free, you only need to pass it once in your life, and you're given infinite tries to pass.

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Prismsblade posted...

online test

Welp that eliminates a ton of seniors and poor people.
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wackyteen posted...

Its not the "best" way on paper

But it's the most fair way to ensure that disenfranchised or abused people who have been abused/disenfranchised their entire life have the opportunity to vote/participate in the society they live in.

I'm sorry, but if someone cannot be arsed to learn how to fucking read (im not referring to disabled people who can't obviously) there is no fucking way they have full grasp of any issues and are not capable of making an informed decision and it just becomes stat padding.

I do still love the irony of this republican bill though, they're out of their fucking minds if they think barring illiterates from voting is going to hurt democrats LMFAO.

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PoundGarden posted...

I'm sorry

Y'know I don't think you are.

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America has a really good history when it comes to literacy tests for voting, right?

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So theyre trying to make it so that half of their supporters cant vote?

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CyricZ posted...

Y'know I don't think you are.

Fair enough, I'm not. Zero, and I mean zero sympathy for the illiterate. Absolutely no excuse for it

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Jim Crow is dead, but not his career.

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SocialistGamer posted...

Litarcy

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PoundGarden posted...

I'm sorry, but if someone cannot be arsed to learn how to fucking read (im not referring to disabled people who can't obviously) there is no fucking way they have full grasp of any issues and are not capable of making an informed decision and it just becomes stat padding.

I do still love the irony of this republican bill though, they're out of their fucking minds if they think barring illiterates from voting is going to hurt democrats LMFAO.

Its not that some people cannot be bothered to.

Its that some people are intentionally held down and restricted from educational opportunities. And traditionally they're from poor, disenfranchised communities.

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Pitlord_Special posted...

Sounds like a waste of time if you ask me. We should be moving to a shareholder model of voting where votes are weighed in favor of those individuals (and entities!) who pay the most in taxes. That is, corporations are people too and deserve to have voting power if theyre paying taxes.

Lmao, thanks for the laugh.

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Other countries where illiteracy is rampant have gotten around this by using party symbols on their ballots. It's not that hard even if you think it's a real problem in the US and not just an excuse to suppress votes.

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PoundGarden posted...

Fair enough, I'm not. Zero, and I mean zero sympathy for the illiterate. Absolutely no excuse for it

And that's a problem.

Having a society-spanning belief that "everyone should be literate" is one thing.

Pointing towards those who are in fact illiterate as "the problem" and punishing them, rather than the system that led to them remaining illiterate is quite another.

Like do you think those people chose to remain illiterate from a young age?

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wackyteen posted...

They want to control your lives because they literally view themselves as above you.

And I'm someone who believes big government is infinitely preferable to small government

This is exactly the sort of situation that big government will inevitably get you

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harley2280 posted...

Welp that eliminates a ton of seniors and poor people.

If the seniors Let themselves fall behind on times that's on them. And most poor genuinely reside in urban citys, where finding internet access is far from difficult.

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This is to cut down on the rampant voter fraud that doesn't occur.

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FL81 posted...

This is exactly the sort of situation that big government will inevitably get you

Ideally voting would keep those in power in check. It's why restricting voting at all is concerning

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You're right to bear arms shall not be infringed! However your right to vote isn't so special

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Prismsblade posted...

If the seniors Let themselves fall behind on times that's on them. And most poor genuinely reside in urban citys, where finding internet access is far from difficult.

Looks like you let yourself fall behind.

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PoundGarden posted...

I'm sorry, but if someone cannot be arsed to learn how to fucking read (im not referring to disabled people who can't obviously) there is no fucking way they have full grasp of any issues and are not capable of making an informed decision and it just becomes stat padding.

I do still love the irony of this republican bill though, they're out of their fucking minds if they think barring illiterates from voting is going to hurt democrats LMFAO.

Ok but if these people who can't read or have literacy issues are still paying taxes, they should still have a vote.

When I was in college I worked at a grocery store and one of the baggers was illiterate.

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