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pure_temper
03/25/21 2:12:09 PM
#151:


krazychao5 posted...
yeah, masks and social distancing works, plus vaccines, no reason shit cannot be poppin again

yeah but watch out, CyricZ somehow thinks this common sense is actually just advocating for more Americans to die

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hockeybub89
03/25/21 2:12:42 PM
#152:


pure_temper posted...
yes, and the point about the billionaires is still true and unchallenged. Notice how you failed to address the argument I directed at you the first time.

either start thinking, or stop addressing me. Thx. I do think we should open up schools and stores. Masks work and the vaccination rate is growing and herd immunity will take care of the rest.

at this rate repeating this last year again would result in significant problems for the majority of regular people. There are no easy options left and this is the only one that makes sense.

or do you have any other bright ideas besides we need open borders like you said yesterday? Im not convinced that you are worth discussing this with tbh. You ignore arguments and seem to think open borders are feasible now, why should I continue to care what you think?
Why are you so hostile? Last week you were telling me how great I am. Shabagloo isn't even like this when I shit on China and communism and he's been having a special one for months.

My solution was always to shut things down harder and help people more. You're literally doing the "Muh economy" Republican argument from all last year. Now we should have opened up to stick it to them? Sacrificed lives for some bullshit greater good?

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pure_temper
03/25/21 2:13:02 PM
#153:


CanuckCowboy posted...
What solution?

50k for all? Sure I'd love to live in that world. We don't and won't anytime soon. How is that a solution?

one more time for the last time, since you may really just be struggling with reading posts

here you go:

pure_temper posted...
youre putting words in my mouth and i dont appreciate that. And I will call you out on this bullshit.

between masks and distancing and existing vaccination rates and existing recovery rates, well be at herd immunity soon

opening up safely is possible. See: Illinois

go to any major shopping mall around Chicago, theyve been open and packed for a while now and Illinoid cases are downwards since Christmas

and unless you have a serious and formulated view on what the alternative should be and CAN be with fossils like McConnell and Pelosi running the show, kindly stfu.


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pure_temper
03/25/21 2:16:01 PM
#154:


hockeybub89 posted...
Why are you so hostile? Last week you were telling me how great I am. Shabagloo isn't even like this when I shit on China and communism and he's been having a special one for months.

My solution was always to shut things down harder and help people more. You're literally doing the "Muh economy" Republican argument from all last year. Now we should have opened up to stick it to them?

You ignored my post and made a snide comment about big oil cult as if there isnt plenty of serious commentary on how billionaires are profiting and exploiting the pandemic to buy up immense tracts of land and real estate and businesses

im a reasonable person, i always respond in kind. In your case, its twice in the last week you straight up ignored arguments and then just made it about someone talking about a big oil cult

your solution is impossible, impossible, because of who is running the country. So unless you can somehow make it possible, what other choice do we have besides opening up safely the way Illinois is already doing?

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CyricZ
03/25/21 2:28:41 PM
#155:


pure_temper posted...
Dont you have an Aeris thread to post in?
I think you're a little old to be jealous at me for having friends.

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pure_temper
03/25/21 2:29:09 PM
#156:


CyricZ posted...
I think you're a little old to be jealous at me for having friends.

and youre too old to be shitposting about me wanting more Americans to die

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Tmaster148
03/25/21 2:29:54 PM
#157:


pure_temper posted...
and youre too old to be shitposting about me wanting more Americans to die

If you didn't post in support of letting more Americans die, then people wouldn't say that.

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CyricZ
03/25/21 2:31:30 PM
#158:


Like I think I kinda get what Proudclad's perspective is but honestly he's so poor at getting his point across that I really feel I don't need to be giving him the benny of the doubty.

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pure_temper
03/25/21 2:33:39 PM
#159:


CyricZ posted...
Like I think I kinda get what Proudclad's perspective

no, you get it

you chose not to be charitable because of the type of person you wish to be, in your heart

this is not rocket science and ive been clear from the start that people should open up safely the way Illinois and Chicagoland are doing, including the parts of Chicago that are amongst the most left parts in the USA

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CanuckCowboy
03/25/21 2:33:54 PM
#160:


pure_temper posted...
You ignored my post and made a snide comment about big oil cult as if there isnt plenty of serious commentary on how billionaires are profiting and exploiting the pandemic to buy up immense tracts of land and real estate and businesses

im a reasonable person, i always respond in kind. In your case, its twice in the last week you straight up ignored arguments and then just made it about someone talking about a big oil cult

your solution is impossible, impossible, because of who is running the country. So unless you can somehow make it possible, what other choice do we have besides opening up safely the way Illinois is already doing?

reasonable? Ive had you swing from being all buddy buddy with me to being hostile and talking to me like Im a dumb asshole in the same topic because I agreed with one of your posts and disagreed with another.

i wasnt even impolite and you instantly went off on me for sucking off billionaires and yadda yadda in spite of me saying wealth inequality is a huge problem and that things need to change a few posts earlier.

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Crescente
03/25/21 2:34:21 PM
#161:


Why can't we all just get along and agree that the pandemic will end soon? I mean logically that is the scenario we're heading to right? And I know we're all been masking up and isolating, so there shouldn't be any sides to this.

We should just be optimistic and hope for a better future and crush the virus.
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pure_temper
03/25/21 2:35:16 PM
#162:


pure_temper posted...
we can do it now, in Illinois most places are open or opening up.

from post #13 in the thread

anyone who knows what theyre talking about or was interested in the truth could have been bothered to do a quick google search on how Illinois has done

but dont let that get in the way of your approach instead I guess, CyricZ

anything to feel morally righteous on gamefaqs huh?

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pure_temper
03/25/21 2:36:33 PM
#163:


CanuckCowboy posted...
i wasnt even impolite

dude, anyone who reads the topic will see that you straight up ignored my solution multiple times and put words in my mouth instead

if you werent intending to, ill accept an apology and we can be friends

but im not convinced youre actually trying to be a serious poster otherwise. Olive branch?

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CyricZ
03/25/21 2:36:41 PM
#164:


pure_temper posted...
you chose not to be charitable because of the type of person you wish to be, in your heart
I choose not to be charitable because of the type of person you are.

Me and every other person in this topic.

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pure_temper
03/25/21 2:37:12 PM
#165:


Crescente posted...
Why can't we all just get along and agree that the pandemic will end soon? I mean logically that is the scenario we're heading to right? And I know we're all been masking up and isolating, so there shouldn't be any sides to this.

We should just be optimistic and hope for a better future and crush the virus.

100%

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pure_temper
03/25/21 2:39:05 PM
#166:


CyricZ posted...
I choose not to be charitable because of the type of person you are.

Me and every other person in this topic.

like who? People who straight up ignored arguments and put words into others mouth? CanuckCowboy who straight up called two other posters idiots for having reasonable posts?

your better peers have already accepted olive branches like a month ago already, which im sure you noticed seeing as you float around enough to have some context into the type of person i am

so tell me, what do you think about the false gods? Now that you conceded that my
approach is not about wanting Americans to die which is a slanderous and vile thing to reduce my position to

edit: and it looks like Canuck got modded for that, so who are you really siding with and why? Dont be toxic my dude. I wasnt toxic to you, was I? I havent been in your threads for a long time.

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burns112233
03/25/21 2:40:25 PM
#167:


Pandemics have happened before...

This isn't the first and it won't be the last.

To think we'll be locked up forever is a joke.
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CyricZ
03/25/21 2:42:11 PM
#168:


pure_temper posted...
I wasnt toxic to you, was I?
Yeah you got a short memory.

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pure_temper
03/25/21 2:43:15 PM
#169:


CyricZ posted...
Yeah you got a short memory.

what did i do? Call you a tankie or something? I already apologized for conflating tankies w/ Marxism in general

anyway, still doesnt excuse that first post you made

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pure_temper
03/25/21 2:48:00 PM
#171:


@CyricZ but anyway im willing to apologize for the past, if it means an olive branch is accepted

anyone under $50 million is on the same side (or has to be)

you or i are not the problem, the billionaires are

my intention was not to hurt your feelings or demean your value as a human

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hockeybub89
03/25/21 2:49:15 PM
#173:


pure_temper posted...
your solution is impossible, impossible, because of who is running the country. So unless you can somehow make it possible, what other choice do we have besides opening up safely the way Illinois is already doing?
The same people you're saying benefited from this pandemic have wanted us to open up the whole time. They are getting what they want either way. Saving lives is more important than keeping the rich from profiting. If there are only bad solutions, given the leadership of the country, then I prefer the one with a lower death toll.

And I agree we can open up safely, but fat chance it will be safe everywhere because of all the people running the country. Masks and social distancing are going to be thrown out the window ASAP in large chunks of the nation.

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Akagami_Shanks
03/25/21 2:50:09 PM
#174:


people will adjust tbh. We're stubborn, no one is gonna stay locked up all their life because of a virus that has a small chance of killing them, thats just called every day life.

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Dark_SilverX
03/25/21 2:52:00 PM
#175:


Akagami_Shanks posted...
people will adjust tbh. We're stubborn, no one is gonna stay locked up all their life because of a virus that has a small chance of killing them, thats just called every day life.
how dare you, Covid is deadlier than anything out there. the strongest virus known to man.

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hockeybub89
03/25/21 2:53:25 PM
#176:


Dark_SilverX posted...
how dare you, Covid is deadlier than anything out there. the strongest virus known to man.
A pandemic shutting down the world for a year or two is pretty normal. The real crybabies are the ones that have been bitching about it for the last 12 months.

Diarrhea doesn't kill a lot of people, but it would be pretty bad if a really bad stomach virus was ravaging unchecked across the world for a year. It is idiotic to only judge disease by its death toll, not that COVID-19 is exactly a weak pandemic in that regard.

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MedeaLysistrata
03/25/21 2:54:27 PM
#177:


Duncan and Proudclad fighting side by side

What an unlikely alliance

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Dark_SilverX
03/25/21 2:55:44 PM
#178:


seriously

just wear the mask, wash your hands, stand 6 feet and live

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hockeybub89
03/25/21 2:56:25 PM
#179:


Dark_SilverX posted...
seriously

just wear the mask, wash your hands, stand 6 feet and live
Half the country calls that anti-freedom fascism

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pure_temper
03/25/21 2:56:54 PM
#180:


hockeybub89 posted...
The same people you're saying benefited from this pandemic have wanted us to open up the whole time. They are getting what they want either way. Saving lives is more important than keeping the rich from profiting. If there are only bad solutions, given the leadership of the country, then I prefer the one with a lower death toll.

And I agree we can open up safely, but fat chance it will be safe everywhere because of all the people running the country. Masks and social distancing are going to be thrown out the window ASAP in large chunks of the nation.

We are not saving lives by failing to provide aid or by stunting young people's trajectory for pushing 1.5 years and maybe even 2-3 years before this is all over. We could have saved lives by doing the right thing a year ago, but unfortunately we did not.

So since you agree that we can open up safely, that should be the end of this debate because it means everyone agrees. Masks and social distancing are going to be rejected a lot more furiously if people keep getting told to quiet down by the same authorities who are hard-pressed to pass $1,400 checks but have on problem going BRRRRR with the money printer for their rich overlords.

It's just wildly unrealistic to expect so many tens of millions of people to keep going with the present course of action.

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pure_temper
03/25/21 2:59:06 PM
#181:


hockeybub89 posted...
Half the country calls that anti-freedom fascism

And what do you think they will call another year of lockdowns or perpetually-scheduled lockdowns because of idiocy fronted by Bloomberg's platform?

Especially when all that has been given is two pathetic rounds of cash aid to individuals?

It's not a recipe for success and the only reasonable option left is opening up, exactly the way I've been describing this entire thread since post #13.

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Lordgold666
03/25/21 3:00:49 PM
#182:


You thought the record profits of all these mega corps was ever going away?

lol

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Tmaster148
03/25/21 3:01:09 PM
#183:


pure_temper posted...
We could have saved lives by doing the right thing a year ago, but unfortunately we did not.

So we shouldn't do the right thing now.

It's really amazing how much you want Americans to die.

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Prismsblade
03/25/21 3:02:30 PM
#184:


Okay, I'm confused, is there something particularly special about covids mutations and variants vs....literally every other virus we've had throughout history?

Every god damn time good news emerges some other, new, scary and supposedly unpredictable new aspect of covid emerges and frankly I'm getting a little tired of it.

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Dark_SilverX
03/25/21 3:04:13 PM
#185:


Prismsblade posted...
Okay, I'm confused, is there something particularly special about covids mutations and variants vs....literally every other virus we've had throughout history?

Every god damn time good news emerges some other, new, scary and supposedly unpredictable new aspect of covid emerges and frankly I'm getting a little tired of it.
It mean jabs for life baby

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CanuckCowboy
03/25/21 3:04:29 PM
#186:


Akagami_Shanks posted...
people will adjust tbh. We're stubborn, no one is gonna stay locked up all their life because of a virus that has a small chance of killing them, thats just called every day life.

Says people will adjust.

Says people are stubborn and won't adjust.

Which is it?

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Zeeak4444
03/25/21 3:06:21 PM
#187:


Lordgold666 posted...
You thought the record profits of all these mega corps was ever going away?

lol

the same mega corps you want to regulate and tax less.

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Zeeak4444
03/25/21 3:08:21 PM
#188:


Prismsblade posted...
Okay, I'm confused, is there something particularly special about covids mutations and variants vs....literally every other virus we've had throughout history?

Every god damn time good news emerges some other, new, scary and supposedly unpredictable new aspect of covid emerges and frankly I'm getting a little tired of it.

very little unpredictable aspects have occurred with it. Honestly, that sounds like conservative media sugar coating the situation instead of saying these aspects occurred because people were too stupid to mitigate them.

edit: I should clarify the very little refers to how the virus affects people.

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hockeybub89
03/25/21 3:13:33 PM
#189:


pure_temper posted...
It's just wildly unrealistic to expect so many tens of millions of people to keep going with the present course of action.
Tens of millions aren't going to follow your course of action either though. Masks and social distancing are not wanted by a lot of citizens and politicians. It has nothing to fucking do with how much government aid they are getting. They just have stupid, warped ideas of "freedom". You do something or you don't. Olive branches are worthless.

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pure_temper
03/25/21 3:19:28 PM
#190:


hockeybub89 posted...
Tens of millions aren't going to follow your course of action either though. Masks and social distancing are not wanted by a lot of citizens and politicians. It has nothing to fucking do with how much government aid they are getting. They just have stupid, warped ideas of "freedom". You do something or you don't. Olive branches are worthless.

like I said, man: follow Illinois

our cases have been declining since Christmas (w/ a blip around jan 6 and then declines all the way)

we have antimaskers here too but theyre a very small number of clowns and everyone gives them a wide berth

at this rate well have herd immunity like that WSJ article said, real soon.

under no circumstances can we undergo another year like the previous one. Most regular people barely paid for food and rent, dude. We need to open up responsibly, unless you know of a way to actually make UBI a thing

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CanuckCowboy
03/25/21 3:21:38 PM
#191:


You linked to an opinion piece and keep citing it as a news article.

Why are you still doing that?

Is it for the same reason 280 wsj staffers got together to write a letter demanding change and that the wsj be more clear in labeling opinions pieces as such?

Like in my link to an actual news article?

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pure_temper
03/25/21 3:22:22 PM
#192:


CanuckCowboy posted...
You linked to an opinion piece and keep sighting it as a news article.

Why are you still doing that?

and what do you think the piece in topic title was, buddy?

the very same one you keep defending w/o actually addressing anyones arguments except to call them idiots?

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CanuckCowboy
03/25/21 3:24:39 PM
#193:


pure_temper posted...
and what do you think the piece in topic title was, buddy?

the very same one you keep defending w/o actually addressing anyones arguments except to call them idiots?

Oh buddy you need to keep up.

I haven't defended shit from the op. I stated variants are showing increased vaccine resistance and that idiots who just want to ignore the virus will ensure its just keeps getting drawn out. I also said fuck Bloomberg.

You literally can even see straight you have such a hard on against billionaires.

Also how does that change the fact an opinion piece is just that?

"Tc posted one so I shall post one and then pretend its am objective article cause reasons" ok?

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pure_temper
03/25/21 3:30:52 PM
#194:


CanuckCowboy posted...
I stated variants are showing increased vaccine resistance and that idiots who just want to ignore the virus will ensure its just keeps getting drawn out.

No one said anything about ignoring the virus. From the beginning of my contributions it was about opening up safely like Illinois has been doing for months now.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/20/health/variant-b117-vaccines-work/index.html

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-021-03412-7

https://science.sciencemag.org/content/371/6534/1152

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2102179

The latest I've seen is that the variants are still susceptible to the existing vaccines, and no commentary has changed anything regarding mask efficacy or the possibility of opening up safely like Illinois has been doing for months.

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SSMajinVegeta2
03/25/21 3:37:42 PM
#195:


thats cute

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PoundGarden
03/25/21 3:38:17 PM
#196:


CyricZ posted...
Why is Proudclad advocating for the death of more Americans?

If it weren't for shitposts, he'd never have any posts at all.

A better question is how are people still surprised proudclod has a shit take on literally any issue

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hockeybub89
03/25/21 3:40:00 PM
#197:


pure_temper posted...
like I said, man: follow Illinois

our cases have been declining since Christmas (w/ a blip around jan 6 and then declines all the way)

we have antimaskers here too but theyre a very small number of clowns and everyone gives them a wide berth

at this rate well have herd immunity like that WSJ article said, real soon.

under no circumstances can we undergo another year like the previous one. Most regular people barely paid for food and rent, dude. We need to open up responsibly, unless you know of a way to actually make UBI a thing
All I'm saying is we might as well wish UBI into existence if we're hoping for the entire country to open up responsibly. Equally wishful thinking tbh

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pure_temper
03/25/21 3:41:45 PM
#198:


hockeybub89 posted...
All I'm saying is we might as well wish UBI into existence if we're hoping for the entire country to open up responsibly. Equally wishful thinking tbh

that is a very bad argument considering i just pointed out like four times in a row that Illinois has been responsibly opening for months now

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waterjoe
03/25/21 4:28:15 PM
#199:


This shit is complete nonsense WE ARE GOING BACK TO NORMAL.
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Zeus
03/25/21 4:28:25 PM
#200:


Considering the world's refusal to address the root causes of most of these outbreaks -- wet markets -- it seems like it's just a matter of time until the next one. It's not like we couldn't see the warning signs.

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