Poll of the Day > Rand Paul dominates Fauci by using science against him.

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MartianManchild
03/19/21 7:57:42 AM
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Glad to see someone putting that nerd in his place.
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adjl
03/19/21 8:44:47 AM
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In what way is that "using science"?

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EvilMegas
03/19/21 8:50:46 AM
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There is a science to really shitty logic, I guess.

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Far-Queue
03/19/21 9:07:14 AM
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Only a total moron would believe Rand Paul put Fauci in his place there

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adjl
03/19/21 9:20:19 AM
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Or, more accurately, somebody desperate for anything they can possibly use to discredit Fauci because they've been opposed (mostly baselessly) to the public health recommendations he's been making since day one and want nothing more than to stop doing anything to stop/slow Covid.

For what it's worth, I don't think that citing the risk posed by variants is a good justification for continued mask usage. They do represent an unknown factor that has the potential to get out of control if it turns out the vaccine doesn't adequately prevent them, and continuing to use masks and distance dramatically reduces that risk, but that's also mostly speculative. What isn't speculative, however, is that there's no practical way to verify that somebody has been vaccinated, and there are millions upon millions of people in the US that would happily lie about being vaccinated if it meant they could stop wearing masks.

Quite simply, mask recommendations will go away when case numbers get and remain low enough for masks to no longer be beneficial. That's the only sensible basis for lifting them. Any sooner, and you face the risk of discovering that the downward trend in cases can't be purely attributed to the vaccine, resulting in cases climbing again (and you can bet your ass that people will fight tooth and nail to not have to put the masks back on once they're told they can take them off, making it much harder to wrangle that new wave).

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Far-Queue
03/19/21 9:34:34 AM
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I appreciate your more verbose approach adjl but I like to cut to the chase: only a shit-for-brains dummy would believe Rand Paul got one up on Fauci in that discussion

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adjl
03/19/21 9:35:42 AM
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Far-Queue posted...
I appreciate your more verbose approach adjl but I like to cut to the chase: only a shit-for-brains dummy would believe Rand Paul got one up on Fauci in that discussion

I generally prefer to explain to morons just why they're being moronic. It may be wasted on them (being morons and whatnot), but in a public setting like this is helps to prevent them from misleading those for whom there is still hope.

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Jen0125
03/19/21 9:42:16 AM
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Rand Paul couldn't even destroy his neighbor when confronted about his asshole landscaping.

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helIy
03/19/21 10:21:07 AM
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fauci dominates rand paul just by existing

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Clench281
03/19/21 10:55:48 AM
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Archgoat
03/19/21 10:56:14 AM
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Far-Queue posted...
Only a total moron would believe Rand Paul put Fauci in his place there

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argonautweakend
03/19/21 11:01:47 AM
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Rand Paul seems like the kind of guy who would get upset at a medical certification board changing the requirements from lifetime acceptance, to needing to be renewed every 10 years, only to go on and create an alternative certification board with his family members on it

But, just because he looks like the kind of guy who would do that doesn't mean he would.
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helIy
03/19/21 11:05:31 AM
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no, he would

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argonautweakend
03/19/21 11:07:07 AM
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How the fuck do you know?

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hockey7318
03/19/21 11:10:41 AM
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He told me he would.
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Yellow
03/19/21 11:38:02 AM
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Non scientist wrecks scientist yeah

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Jen0125
03/19/21 12:07:58 PM
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Yellow posted...
Non scientist wrecks scientist yeah

Rand Paul with the SHOCKING secrets that STUN professional virologists

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BlackScythe0
03/19/21 12:32:40 PM
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Rand Paul is a lunatic, he's one of the most extreme senators and you think that dip shit dominated Fauci?
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Zeus
03/19/21 1:10:35 PM
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Not clicking that link but considering it's the same Fauci who was photographed maskless and not social distancing (iirc, there might be a whole collection of images?) which demonstrates he doesn't take his own recommendations seriously, I'm assuming Rand probably did own him.

BlackScythe0 posted...
he's one of the most extreme senators

lol jokepost, or just kinda moving the goalposts

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BloodWhen_iWipe
03/19/21 1:41:46 PM
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Zeus posted...
the same Fauci who was photographed maskless and not social distancing
You mean the Nats game photo? The one where he's sitting with his wife and close personal friend and literally no one else for several seats surrounding them?

Do you wear a mask 100% of the time when you're around your spouse/gf and close friends? You don't take a sip of water or bite of food the whole time?
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Muscles
03/19/21 1:52:35 PM
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I like Rand (not as much as his dad, but that's besides the point) but he didn't really do anything there

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Clench281
03/19/21 2:01:54 PM
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BloodWhen_iWipe posted...
You mean the Nats game photo? The one where he's sitting with his wife and close personal friend and literally no one else for several seats surrounding them?

Do you wear a mask 100% of the time when you're around your spouse/gf and close friends? You don't take a sip of water or bite of food the whole time?

you expect honesty from the this same guy? https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/3-poll-of-the-day/79352403

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adjl
03/19/21 2:26:23 PM
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Zeus posted...
it's the same Fauci who was photographed maskless and not social distancing (iirc, there might be a whole collection of images?) which demonstrates he doesn't take his own recommendations seriously,

Which of the following explanations do you think is more likely?

  • Fauci's recommendations (which countless other public health experts and officials have been giving since this whole thing began and are completely consistent with what anyone that has a basic understanding of aerodynamics and infectious diseases would expect to be recommended to limit the spread of an aerosol-borne virus) are bogus and do not actually do anything to help control the spread, so he ignores them whenever he doesn't have to keep up appearances to maintain this inexplicable scheme to force the whole country to wear a mask
  • Hordes of anti-maskers are scrutinizing his every move in hopes of finding some means to discredit him because they've spent the last year desperate for some shred of evidence that these recommendations might not be worth listening to, and have managed to capture a small handful of instances of Fauci (an ordinary human) making mistakes (an ordinary human thing to do) that appear (at least without context) to demonstrate a failure to comply with his recommendations
I'll give you a hint: One of those options is a reasonable interpretation of the obvious empirical reality we've all been readily able to observe, very consistent with basic common sense, and doesn't suggest that the person espousing such an interpretation has fallen prey to a ridiculous conspiracy theory. The other is what you said.

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Monopoman
03/19/21 5:42:29 PM
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Did Rand Paul end it by saying,

"Checkmate Atheists!"
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helIy
03/19/21 5:47:23 PM
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just wear the fucking mask

the mask can't fucking hurt you

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Lokarin
03/19/21 5:53:52 PM
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So Rand Pauls argument is "people arne't gunna give up their guns if you keep pushing to wear armour!"

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DirtBasedSoap
03/19/21 5:56:15 PM
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Lokarin posted...
So Rand Pauls argument is "people arne't gunna give up their guns if you keep pushing to wear armour!"
what

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Lokarin
03/19/21 5:56:56 PM
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DirtBasedSoap posted...
what

proactive defense vs. passive defense, guns are the vaccines

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Clench281
03/19/21 6:07:02 PM
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Lokarin posted...
proactive defense vs. passive defense, guns are the vaccines

Vaccines and masks are both passive. Which is the same as proactive. As opposed to reactive.

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OhhhJa
03/19/21 6:10:48 PM
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Neither one really dominated the other but I agree with Rand Paul that many of Fauci's recommendations seem to be based purely on whim and speculation. And yeah, it's pretty ridiculous that people that have been fully vaccinated are still being told to wear masks. If we're waiting on 100% vaccination to stop wearing masks then I guess we'll be wearing them for the rest of our lives. Especially if this ends up being like the flu with constant mutations and seasonal vaccinations
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adjl
03/19/21 6:11:44 PM
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OhhhJa posted...
If we're waiting on 100% vaccination to stop wearing masks then I guess we'll be wearing them for the rest of our lives.

adjl posted...
Quite simply, mask recommendations will go away when case numbers get and remain low enough for masks to no longer be beneficial. That's the only sensible basis for lifting them.


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Clench281
03/19/21 6:36:27 PM
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OhhhJa posted...
Neither one really dominated the other but I agree with Rand Paul that many of Fauci's recommendations seem to be based purely on whim and speculation. And yeah, it's pretty ridiculous that people that have been fully vaccinated are still being told to wear masks. If we're waiting on 100% vaccination to stop wearing masks then I guess we'll be wearing them for the rest of our lives. Especially if this ends up being like the flu with constant mutations and seasonal vaccinations

You're entitled to have an opinion about public health concerns

We're also entitled to point out that your uninformed opinion is worthless

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ReturnOfFa
03/19/21 6:44:02 PM
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a lot of folks think that guys like Ron or Rand could fix American politics

hahhahaha

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ReturnOfFa
03/19/21 6:44:37 PM
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'seem to be based purely on whim and speculation'

hhahah haha hahhaahahah

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Yellow
03/19/21 6:47:25 PM
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Jen0125 posted...
Rand Paul with the SHOCKING secrets that STUN professional virologists
Don't worry, in 8 years they'll be agreeing with us like they do about everything

It's about the idea of disagreeing in the moment

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ReturnOfFa
03/19/21 6:48:57 PM
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also, TC dropped a Rand Paul bomb and bailed lol

DUCK AND COVER!!!

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Grinderpug
03/19/21 6:54:33 PM
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helIy posted...
just wear the fucking mask

the mask can't fucking hurt you


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OhhhJa
03/19/21 6:55:16 PM
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ReturnOfFa posted...
'seem to be based purely on whim and speculation'

hhahah haha hahhaahahah
It really is. He vaguely references statistics as justification for all the decisions that have done nothing but decimate the country. He has quite clearly botched this pandemic response every step of the way. He's nothing but a corrupt bureaucrat and big pharma pimp
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helIy
03/19/21 6:58:27 PM
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pretty sure everyone getting covid would have decimated the country more than anything


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ReturnOfFa
03/19/21 6:58:29 PM
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OhhhJa posted...
It really is. He vaguely references statistics as justification for all the decisions that have done nothing but decimate the country. He has quite clearly botched this pandemic response every step of the way. He's nothing but a corrupt bureaucrat and big pharma pimp
Do you want to get specific with statistics in that case? Do you really want me to compare mask use statistics in Vietnam vs the USA in comparison with COVID-19 infection and death rates in Vietnam vs the USA? It isn't pretty. Aside from real-world stats, there are huge arrays of studies proving the things you believe Fauci is poor at speaking on.

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ReturnOfFa
03/19/21 6:59:04 PM
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OhhhJa posted...
It really is. He vaguely references statistics as justification for all the decisions that have done nothing but decimate the country. He has quite clearly botched this pandemic response every step of the way. He's nothing but a corrupt bureaucrat and big pharma pimp
How is he botching something that individual states have individual control over?

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ReturnOfFa
03/19/21 7:00:50 PM
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Monopoman
03/19/21 7:35:23 PM
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helIy posted...
pretty sure everyone getting covid would have decimated the country more than anything

Yeah, even with the rates we had with all these precautions certain hospitals were overrun with far too many Covid patients during a certain time. Hospitals are not designed to facilitate millions getting sick, and coming to the hospital.
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Revelation34
03/19/21 8:26:31 PM
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I'll get the vaccine and keep on wearing a mask just to spite OhhhJa.
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OhhhJa
03/19/21 9:28:43 PM
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Revelation34 posted...
I'll get the vaccine and keep on wearing a mask just to spite OhhhJa.
Why would I care what you do? Wear a mask and get all the vaccines you want. Doesn't bother me
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OhhhJa
03/19/21 9:31:02 PM
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ReturnOfFa posted...
Do you want to get specific with statistics in that case? Do you really want me to compare mask use statistics in Vietnam vs the USA in comparison with COVID-19 infection and death rates in Vietnam vs the USA? It isn't pretty. Aside from real-world stats, there are huge arrays of studies proving the things you believe Fauci is poor at speaking on.
Ahh yeah, the bustling powerhouse nation of Vietnam. That's certainly a fair comparison to the largest economy in the world with multiple huge cities
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adjl
03/19/21 9:39:23 PM
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OhhhJa posted...
He has quite clearly botched this pandemic response every step of the way.

Do you think that wearing masks and maintaining a distance of 6 feet wherever possible isn't a sensible way to reduce transmission of an aerosol-borne virus?

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shadowsword87
03/19/21 9:47:21 PM
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What's next after masks adjl, people will believe that the moon is real?
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ReturnOfFa
03/19/21 10:23:35 PM
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OhhhJa posted...
Ahh yeah, the bustling powerhouse nation of Vietnam. That's certainly a fair comparison to the largest economy in the world with multiple huge cities
Shouldn't the per capita rates be similar? Shouldn't their proximity to China be taken into account? The population density rate of Vietnam is also quite a lot higher than the USA.

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Mead
03/19/21 10:24:41 PM
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Rand Paul couldnt dominate a ham sandwich

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