Board 8 > Wandavision 2: MCU Boogaloo

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I do hope Agatha survives this series though I half suspect that she won't

Falcon & the Winter Soldier was originally supposed to premiere before Wandavision, so for that reason I can't imagine it's going to be as impactful. I could be wrong.

That said I am really looking forward to seeing Zemo as a real villain this time.

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Not_an_Owl posted...

did you even watch the part of the song where she admitted to it

she literally said "and I killed Sparky too" and then cackled

there is no possible way that was an act of self defense, or defense of someone else

she just did it because witches gonna witch

Again, for all we know it might not have actually have been a dog.

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IfGodCouldDie posted...

Again, for all we know it might not have actually have been a dog.

alright dude, you just go right on advocating for the devil

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Paratroopa1 posted...

I honestly took her admission of killing Sparky as directly informing the viewers "yeah, we are confirming that we rewrote Agatha Harkness as a villain"

That's fair.

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IfGodCouldDie posted...

I mean even after draining the other witches she begged her mother and plead that she could be good.

I mean of course she did

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Because that's exactly what an evil villain would do!!

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I bet you believe every villain when they swear they'll never do another evil thing ever again

what a plot twist it must be every time when it turns out they're still evil

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Grand Kirby posted...

Falcon & the Winter Soldier was originally supposed to premiere before Wandavision, so for that reason I can't imagine it's going to be as impactful. I could be wrong.

That said I am really looking forward to seeing Zemo as a real villain this time.

Im sure F&WS will be impactful but in a totally unrelated way. Instead of everything in the MCU sort of building toward one big event like it was before Endgame, now were going to have a bunch of concurrent threads which may not really intersect for a while.

This first year of D+ shows could probably be released in any order since they wont directly relate and are happening more or less concurrently.
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It's possible that Agatha's backstory is supposed to be sympathetic but it also sounds like she was dabbling in dark arts she wasn't supposed to, so it's unclear

Three things I've noticed that could make Agatha turn out to not be a villain:

a) She keeps calling Wanda dangerous but she doesn't seem to have any sort of actual grudge against her - it's possible she thinks she's some kind of threat, and this whole episode was really just Agatha trying to figure Wanda out. After all, what Wanda did is pretty dangerous! For all we know, she could be working for Doctor Strange or something, investigating this anomaly seems up his alley.

b) Agatha sheds a tear at one point when Wanda and Vision are talking but she's standing behind Wanda so she's not doing it to be sarcastic

c) Wanda may end up needing a mentor to actually understand her witchy powers fully, and that could end up being Agatha if it turns out Agatha isn't all that bad

Not_an_Owl posted...

alright dude, you just go right on advocating for the devil

I mean, she's not evil in the comics, but I do believe that Para's thoughts about them just rewriting here as evil is not out of the realm of possibility. I just don't believe anything is set in stone.

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Oh, she could turn out not to be pure evil in the end. We still don't know what her real motive is yet.

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LeonhartFour posted...

I mean of course she did

cyko posted...

Because that's exactly what an evil villain would do!!

LeonhartFour posted...

I bet you believe every villain when they swear they'll never do another evil thing ever again

what a plot twist it must be every time when it turns out they're still evil

Hey, I'm just keeping an open mind in regards to a show that is doing a good job of subverting expectations. I'm also taking knowledge from outside the MCU and within to speculate that things are not necessarily what they appear to be.

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I do also recognize that Agatha's villain song could be playing her up as a villain just to confuse us or because she think that playing the villain is fun. She's been fucking around this entire time so that might just be more of her fucking around, who knows!

That one Yo-Magic ad is weird to me still, also - all of the previous commercials had been around past traumas in Wanda's life, but that one's about Agatha. Is there an actual in-world reason for that or is it just meta?

Speaking of which, on the other hand, it's very possible that Agatha's entire motive is to just eat the Scarlet Witch's magic

I'm like really 50/50 on where they go with this, I think the latter one is less interesting, but I've also been nothing but pleased with how the story has progressed so far so I trust them to do this right

I thought the episode was great btw, worked on an emotional level and Hahn/Olsen were both superb

Also glad they didn't chicken out and use a big bad to absolve Wanda - I thought they might reveal that she was mind-controlled or something to get her off the hook for screwing with all these people's lives. I guess revealing Westview as kind of a run-down looking place in real life did that a little - like she improved their lives or something - but not really, especially given what Norm said when Vision removed his mind-control. Either way, this is better than what I feared they would do
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Not_an_Owl posted...

I don't think you can kill a dog and be any type of hero at all.

Atticus. Finch.

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Wow, I thought the scene with Wanda and Vision watching Malcolm in the MIddle was phenomenal. It made me feel some kind of emotion I can't even really explain, and the way they were glancing at eachother towards the end felt so awkward yet so natural. Seeing Agatha wipe a tear away was the cherry on top.

What a great scene

I liked all of the walks through memory lane a lot.

I didn't like the Dragonball Z opening with the witches. The kamehameha's didn't feel in line with what the actors were all doing at all. Kind of a cool looking effect but was not used well. The SWORD guy just showing Vision's body to Wanda while his scientists are taking it a part was just dumb as hell. I honestly could not tell if he was being malicious, being empathetic, or being just plain fucking stupid.

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CoolCly posted...

Wow, I thought the scene with Wanda and Vision watching Malcolm in the MIddle was phenomenal. It made me feel some kind of emotion I can't even really explain, and the way they were glancing at eachother towards the end felt so awkward yet so natural. Seeing Agatha wipe a tear away was the cherry on top.

What a great scene

I liked all of the walks through memory lane a lot.

I didn't like the Dragonball Z opening with the witches. The kamehameha's didn't feel in line with what the actors were all doing at all. Kind of a cool looking effect but was not used well. The SWORD guy just showing Vision's body to Wanda while his scientists are taking it a part was just dumb as hell. I honestly could not tell if he was being malicious, being empathetic, or being just plain fucking stupid.

Yeah I do agree that the Hayward scene was kinda awkward - and while logical stuff like this usually doesn't bother me, it sort of took me out of it for a second that his office happened to overlook the lab Vision was in, and that they were working on him AT THAT VERY SECOND, like, wouldn't they be done putting him together by now? You've had five years!

The witch scene was whatever

CoolCly posted...

Wow, I thought the scene with Wanda and Vision watching Malcolm in the MIddle was phenomenal.

Agreed, I think it was the best scene in the show so far. .

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I'd love it if Agatha is not wholly evil and becomes a recurring character in the MCU.

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https://twitter.com/renfamous/status/1365508011234631682

I can't stop laughing at this while also tearing up because it's making me remember the episode again

Paratroopa1 posted...

Yeah I do agree that the Hayward scene was kinda awkward - and while logical stuff like this usually doesn't bother me, it sort of took me out of it for a second that his office happened to overlook the lab Vision was in, and that they were working on him AT THAT VERY SECOND, like, wouldn't they be done putting him together by now? You've had five years!

The witch scene was whatever

The end credit scene he mentions that they had taken him apart and put him back together a million times, he was absolutely being malicious. Also this reminded me, that he mentions Wanda could bring her soul mate "back online... back to life." Before she even knew she could do that, I am now thinking Hayward might not be who we have been led to believe he is.

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So for awhile now people have talking about the possibility that Agatha isn't working alone here, an this episode kinda makes me lean that way. The way the witch trial scene played out made it seem as though she had two personalities in conflict, she even looked surprised when she started counter-attacking the other witches at first but pleased by it at the end. Maybe she was faking it or maybe not, but who is she talking actually to when she refers to "the real us?" She may be the vessel for some true evil or just evil herself, we'll see, but I have a strong feeling WandaVision won't be the last we see of her.

Edit: My off topic though on Vision - while I was watching the episode I couldn't help but think I've never liked the MCU color scheme he got and I was hoping maybe we'd end up seeing him look different by the end. Maybe even the "white" version of him. I didn't think it'd be this way, but so be it. Also, this rebuilt version is sure to be a little more Ultron than stupid stupid Hayward will like.

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Raka_Putra posted...

I'd love it if Agatha is not wholly evil and becomes a recurring character in the MCU.

I would be shocked if this is the last we see of her.

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Also, this rebuilt version is sure to be a little more Ultron than stupid stupid Hayward will like.

I really want James Spaders voice to come out of him

would be shocked if this is the last we see of her.

On the one hand, yeah shes great and she should be around all the time

on the other hand, I could see her dying here because they just dont have space for her in their plans. I figure this is the only Wandacentric series/movie were ever gonna get, so where does Agatha show up again?
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I am soooooo hoping it's Spader voicing him even if it's not a totally evil Ultron bot. Paul Bettany is good, and I'd argue he's put up the best performance in WandaVision so far, but James Spader is amazing and was so under utilized in AoU.

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MoogleKupo141 posted...

I really want James Spaders voice to come out of him

On the one hand, yeah shes great and she should be around all the time

on the other hand, I could see her dying here because they just dont have space for her in their plans. I figure this is the only Wandacentric series/movie were ever gonna get, so where does Agatha show up again?

Fantastic Four when Franklin Richards is born.

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ChichiriMuyo posted...

Also, this rebuilt version is sure to be a little more Ultron than stupid stupid Hayward will like.

ChichiriMuyo posted...

I am soooooo hoping it's Spader voicing him even if it's not a totally evil Ultron bot. Paul Bettany is good, and I'd argue he's put up the best performance in WandaVision so far, but James Spader is amazing and was so under utilized in AoU.

I think it was this topic, but I theorized that if Vision in the Hex is Jarvis + Mind Stone that leaves Ultron in White Vision.

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Yeah, it makes a fair amount of logical sense that it'd be Ultron (but not full on destroy all humanity Ultron). I also think by the end the two versions may be merged into one repaired version of Vision that can go on without the hex. Of course as far as predictions go that's about as bold as saying Agnes is Agatha Harkness.

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ChichiriMuyo posted...

Yeah, it makes a fair amount of logical sense that it'd be Ultron (but not full on destroy all humanity Ultron). I also think by the end the two versions may be merged into one repaired version of Vision that can go on without the hex. Of course as far as predictions go that's about as bold as saying Agnes is Agatha Harkness.

Yea, I could see a merging of the two so Vision can return in full.

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Plot Twist:

Vision and Ultron both return, somehow.

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redrocket posted...

Plot Twist:

Vision and Ultron both return, somehow.

That IS how the comics would do it

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Paratroopa1 posted...

Man I do not get how so many of the comments about this last episode are that it was boring and slow, I was really gripped by it, I think it clarifies a lot of mysteries while also giving us a lot of new emotional background for Wanda that we didn't really have before, and it's just oozing with great acting and interesting character moments, plus Agatha is great the whole way through

But I also don't get how people can think the first episode is expendable, so

yeah, none of the episodes have been expendable in the "you can skip it and you won't miss anything" sense.

1 had a ton of easter eggs/stuff that set up the rest of the show.

8 didn't have much we didn't already "know" but it fleshed out the character of wanda.

also, i disagree with the people saying "agatha killed a dog so obviously she's 100% evil." the "watching malcolm in the middle" scene with agatha shedding a tear clearly seems to hint that she's not just an antagonist.

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Agatha killed the coven as they were trying to kill her. I don't think that quite qualifies as evil.

Not to mention her seeming legit scared at Wanda's Chaos Magic and that she's what is supposed to be just a myth. I think she's neutral at best and is trying to protect the world from what she thinks is a threat.

I could be horribly wrong but that's my read of the situation.

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Also the walnut episode of Dick Van Dyke show is 2x20, not 2x21. Does nobody check these scripts anymore goddamit?!

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RyoCaliente posted...

Also the walnut episode of Dick Van Dyke show is 2x20, not 2x21. Does nobody check these scripts anymore goddamit?!

True fact, the DVD set that they showed her father having inverts 2x20 and 2x21. So from Wanda's POV she was right.

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Sparky was probably just a transmuted cicada, people. Duh.

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Paratroopa1 posted...

For all we know, she could be working for Doctor Strange or something

I think someone is working for Strange for sure.

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bryans7 posted...

Since we're getting close to the end and there's only a 1 week (I think) gap after WandaVision ends before it starts, but how is everyone feeling about Falcon & Winter Soldier at this point? Hype? Not hype? Moderately hyped?

Middle hype. Im anticipating it to be much more standard MCU than Wandavision, probably much more focused on action than story. Ill probably watch as it airs, but Im not sure Ill be anticipating a new episode all week long like I am for WV.

ScepterOfLove posted...

Middle hype. Im anticipating it to be much more standard MCU than Wandavision, probably much more focused on action than story. Ill probably watch as it airs, but Im not sure Ill be anticipating a new episode all week long like I am for WV.

I'm hoping they go the route of Winter Soldier and make it more of a spy thriller show.

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The superbowl trailer was a straight up fast and furious/Hobbs and Shaw trailer so I hope they go full crazy with it.

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Aecioo posted...

The superbowl trailer was a straight up fast and furious/Hobbs and Shaw trailer so I hope they go full crazy with it.

Oh Man. What if they one up Fast and Furious by doing Fast and Furious In Space! before Fast and Furious?

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I'm hype for Zemo

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Bucky and Falcon are two of the most boring MCU characters, but maybe that will change once they actually have some time in the spotlight. I wouldn't say I'm hype for the show, but I'll still watch and probably still enjoy it.

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GuessMyUserName posted...

I'm hype for Zemo

Yeah same. Second best MCU villain behind Thanos? Unless I'm forgetting someone they are the only two with actual character + they succeeded (kind of)

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Klaue is the best villain in the MCU.

Okay not really but he's my personal favorite.

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bryans7 posted...

Klaue is the best villain in the MCU.

Okay not really but he's my personal favorite.

no you mean most wasted

They put him in one of the worst films (Ultron) and then had him acting against Michael B. Jordan who is just fantastic. I'm not even a big fan of Black Panther but Killmonger stole that movie

poor andy serkis

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I'm a bit perplexed by Zemo being free - I'm assuming he's being used by some government organization in a sort of Suicide Squad capacity, like let's get this dude out there working for us.... but his ability to scheme is unparalleled, despite having zero superpowers he's probably the most dangerous person you could release like that.

Klaue had plenty of opportunity to shine, and he did. I would not say he was wasted at all - in fact I would call that being used perfectly

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Could be that Zemo is out because of the snap. Maybe he ceased to exist and then came back in a place five years later that was no longer a functioning prison.
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