Board 8 > Wandavision 2: MCU Boogaloo

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Agnes spinoff when

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If they do an Agnes spin-off based on different horror shows I would lose it

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i want a jimmy woo spinoff

jimmy woo and luis spinoff

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Snake5555555555 posted...

If they do an Agnes spin-off based on different horror shows I would lose it

Tales from the Basement

RikkuAlmighty posted...

i want a jimmy woo spinoff

jimmy woo and luis spinoff

brb shoving my money at the screen to make this idea happen

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One thing I've been wondering: how are they going to reintroduce people to all this stuff in the movies, I wonder?

I'm sure it's easy enough for Doctor Strange 2 to begin with Wanda showing up and telling Strange about this threat that they have to take care of, but I'm sure Monica Rambeau has to show up in Captain Marvel 2 - what's the deal gonna be with that?

The movies are going to have "Previously on:" segments now probably

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Agatha Horror Story

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Raka_Putra posted...

Agatha Horror Story

With evan peters!

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Paratroopa1 posted...

One thing I've been wondering: how are they going to reintroduce people to all this stuff in the movies, I wonder?

That's what I've been trying to explain to my friends that are like super deep and meta about all this stuff.

Gotta temper your expectations - while this stuff is definitely going to tie in a lot more than the old Marvel tv shows, the audience for the films are where all the money is made and the last thing they want to do is alienate the people who see Marvel films because it's "big summer comic book movie".

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Paratroopa1 posted...

One thing I've been wondering: how are they going to reintroduce people to all this stuff in the movies, I wonder?

I'm sure it's easy enough for Doctor Strange 2 to begin with Wanda showing up and telling Strange about this threat that they have to take care of, but I'm sure Monica Rambeau has to show up in Captain Marvel 2 - what's the deal gonna be with that?

You just have to be invested enough in the MCU to have bought D+ subscriptions so you know whats going on.

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Paratroopa1 posted...

One thing I've been wondering: how are they going to reintroduce people to all this stuff in the movies, I wonder?

So the MCU is becoming more like the comics with every phase. Now they are easing you into the interconnectivity aspects of it. Characters cross over with each other at their leisure, most of them are well known enough that you don't need any sort of introduction. For the lesser known folks you usually get a line or two about who they are so there's no confusion.

At least I assume that's what they're doing.

It makes sense, The movies can easily explain who a character is with a brief scene, but if you wanna know more about their backstory then oh hey looks like you gotta get a disney+ subscription how 'bout that

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Paratroopa1 posted...

One thing I've been wondering: how are they going to reintroduce people to all this stuff in the movies, I wonder?

I'm sure it's easy enough for Doctor Strange 2 to begin with Wanda showing up and telling Strange about this threat that they have to take care of, but I'm sure Monica Rambeau has to show up in Captain Marvel 2 - what's the deal gonna be with that?

I mean they probably just stop expecting people to have seen literally everything. If you have, that's just a bonus. That's how comics already work.

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We've already established that even if only the hardcore fans understand what's happening all you need is a catchy song to please everyone.

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Brief conversation between Monica and Carol.

You were gone. Things got weird.

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Just edit Wandavision into 2 hours and release it in theaters, problem solved.

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JonThePenguin posted...

Brief conversation between Monica and Carol.

You were gone. Things got weird.

Basically. If you look at, for example, Infinity War, that's how they introduced the various non-Avengers. Peter Parker is on a school bus so you understand immediately that he's a kid, and he immediately goes to help and asks Tony what to do. Doctor Strange is hanging out in the Sanctum relatively incognito, then immediately starts doing magic and dropping exposition once stuff begins to happen. The Guardians show up at Thor's space wreck saying how they *might* help survivors, but they're mostly there for salvage. When they go to Wakanda, Rhodey and Banner have a quick exchange about how T'Challa is the king.

Even if you hadn't seen any of the movies these characters were in before, you understood their basic deal well enough to immediately follow what they were doing. And if you hadn't seen Civil War, they even had Tony explain to Banner how the Avengers split up.

They know how to catch audiences up on the things they need to know.

CassandraCain posted...

For the lesser known folks you usually get a line or two about who they are so there's no confusion.

They've already been doing this in the movies so it shouldn't change much.

Honestly having discussed these movies with a lot of casual viewers I've noticed they kinda don't care what's actually going on. They just kinda sit down and gear up for some quips and action.

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BetrayedTangy posted...

Honestly having discussed these movies with a lot of casual viewers I've noticed they kinda don't care what's actually going on. They just kinda sit down and gear up for some quips and action.

Yeah thats what I mean from my earlier post. It's somewhat frustrating to talk to my sister about this show because it's constantly "x means y which means this character is showing up and it will have this meaning on the timeline and universe 1 will get changed into this other universe where character 1 never met character 2 so character 3 won't know" etc etc. Like, I'm not mad that marvel has that level of fanservice for who wants it, but it's still going to cater to the average fan so getting so deep into it is kind of a waste of time >.>

I'm a cynical person

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Tag

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Ep 7

That was a fun episode

I loved all of the modern family / office style bits with Wanda, really perfectly tied in with her state of mind right now. That's when this series is at it's absolute best - when it ties the sitcom style into what's actually going on and is actually funny. Vison's parts were great too. I wish all of the prior styles had been used to this effect.

I really like Kat Dennings

The Agatha song was pretty fun but I'm not so sure I'm as happy with the reveal as everyone else... the stuff with Monica was really forced. The super mega ultra truck just showing up for them to use is weird.... their actual operation with the base seemed pretty small scale stuff but she can just "call in a favour" and get this super space truck? And then it just gets owned immediately and she just... runs in because she's so sure she can do it. She doesn't even wear the helmut.... this is just such dumb decision making and she gets rewarded with super powers for it... then just runs straight to Wanda to tell her about the bad man.... as if she doesn't know Wanda will just kick her out. The whole confrontation felt really hollow.

And then for really no reason, Wanda starts being swayed...... And then Agnes comes out and does a REALLY forced "uh uh uh, you didn't say the magic word" and just ends the scene....

I didn't like any of that.

I was kinda surprised the episode ended when it did... It felt like half an episode.

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Tag.

Really enjoying this every week.

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CoolCly posted...

The Agatha song was pretty fun but I'm not so sure I'm as happy with the reveal as everyone else... the stuff with Monica was really forced. The super mega ultra truck just showing up for them to use is weird.... their actual operation with the base seemed pretty small scale stuff but she can just "call in a favour" and get this super space truck? And then it just gets owned immediately and she just... runs in because she's so sure she can do it. She doesn't even wear the helmut.... this is just such dumb decision making and she gets rewarded with super powers for it... then just runs straight to Wanda to tell her about the bad man.... as if she doesn't know Wanda will just kick her out. The whole confrontation felt really hollow.

Youhave to remember, she's been through the hex before and her mother (co-)founded SWORD.

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Tagalicious

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I agree with CoolCly on Monica, that was just boring and silly. She succeeds because the script says she succeeds, but everything she did in this episode was a stupid move.

Y/N: Next episode will begin with 'Previously on Agatha All Along'?

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I liked the Monica stuff <_<

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I kinda miss the coworker characters. I might like them more than some of the more major characters so far even.

Waluigi1 posted...

I liked the Monica stuff <_<

I did too.

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Yeah the Monica stuff made perfect sense. She's literally the daughter of one of the founders of the organization and was in extremely good standing with the rest of the group prior to the snap. Pretty obvious amounts of respect between her and the dude that's above her now.

And she got in because she had done it before and her body was rewritten by it several times already, so seems pretty understandable she'd be more receptive to it in general.

Absolutely zero problems with it.

I mean let's not forget Monica's first reaction to the barrier was to put her bare hand through it. She's had a reckless curiosity since the beginning. She's gone in an out twice, and she believes Wanda doesn't really want to hurt anyone. It makes sense she'd take the risk of going back in.

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I really like Monica so far as a character, she has a good personality.

That'll be a nice contrast to Carol in Captain Marvel 2

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CassandraCain posted...

I really like Monica so far as a character, she has a good personality.

That'll be a nice contrast to Carol in Captain Marvel 2

Agree, I love Monica and I want a movie about her instead of Carol Danvers

I wasn't particularly bothered by any of the stuff she did in this episode, it just seems like her personality that she's confident, headstrong, and acts without thinking, and everything she does makes sense in that context

it actually was agnes' voice

just pitched down

oh, i didn't notice that. good catch.

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Monica has that issue where she just "knows" what to do not because of who she is as a character, but because the writers just have her do the correct thing.

She knows all along that Wanda is good not because of any real information she learns personally, but because the writers know Wanda is good and they need a protagonist to be the hero and do the right thing. As the audience we're sympathetic to Wanda, and we naturally side with Monica's belief that she can be saved and that SWORD is being too aggressive, but from the perspective in-universe Monica's actions come off as completely unreasonable. Wanda has taken an entire town hostage and from SWORD's point of view is hostile and unhinged. It's a huge leap from the information they have to assume that Wanda ISN'T a massive threat, but we need a character to try and rescue her for plot purposes, so Monica... just knows that reasoning with Wanda is the right thing to do. And of course she's right because the writers know she is.

The same problem occurs with her re-entering the Hex. All of the evidence and information that the characters have seen for themselves show that it's an incredibly dangerous idea, and that even if it worked anyone who entered the Hex would simply have their mind controlled, something that explicitly happened to Monica herself! But she... just knows that it would be okay to force her way through again, directly after seeing a vehicle that tried to do it get wrecked. Despite having no real reason to consider it a good idea, she does it and is just fine.

And while there are reasons for both of these decisions to turn out okay, again, the characters in the show generally should not have any idea of those. We have the benefit of being the audience and understanding why it works, and the people who write the show can think that it's okay for her to take actions like these because they know the overall details, but when you think about it from the perspective of the character herself it just comes across as her doing these incredibly nonsensical things for the sole reason that she's a protagonist that somehow knows it's the right thing to do.

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Disagree, Monica very likely knows that Wanda isn't evil, she said that when she was being mind controlled she felt the grief Wanda was feeling over Visions death, Woo likely also vouched for Wanda like he did during the meeting, Monica also has been through the hex twice and has felt completely unaffected so it makes sense that she would believe she would be fine again.

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IfGodCouldDie posted...

she was being mind controlled she felt the grief Wanda was feeling over Visions death,

i never understood this part of the story tbqh.

she could feel wanda's emotions when wanda mind controlled her? what? how does that work? how does she even remember what happened when she was mind controlled? haven't they established that the characters never remember their mind control happenings?

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HarshRapDebater posted...

i never understood this part of the story tbqh.

she could feel wanda's emotions when wanda mind controlled her? what? how does that work? how does she even remember what happened when she was mind controlled? haven't they established that the characters never remember their mind control happenings?

Not sure, but Norm had a similar reaction when Vision freed his mind.

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Monica could just be a good person who believes in the good of others. They have also apparently watched Infinity War and Endgame as many times as we have so they know that Wanda was an Avenger that fought for humanity and suffered a traumatic loss twice

It's perfectly reasonable for her to believe that Wanda is still one of the good guys.

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I feel like Monica knows Wanda is one of the good guys for basically literally the same reason we do - she saw Infinity War/Endgame lol

With all the recording equipment integrated into the Avengers compound, Stark Tech and satellite surveillance they probably have behind the scenes footage we could never even dream of.

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monica should have read the comics tbqh. then she would know wanda literally started off as a villain!

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HarshRapDebater posted...

monica should have read the comics tbqh. then she would know wanda literally started off as a villain!

she clearly watched Age of Ultron!

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HarshRapDebater posted...

i never understood this part of the story tbqh.

she could feel wanda's emotions when wanda mind controlled her? what? how does that work? how does she even remember what happened when she was mind controlled? haven't they established that the characters never remember their mind control happenings?

Monica is the only character that's left the bubble, so her experience with the mind control aspect of the hex is unique.

But there is an interesting thing about this. If it's really Agatha All Along, then maybe it wasn't actually Wanda's grief that Monica was experiencing.

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IfGodCouldDie posted...

With all the recording equipment integrated into the Avengers compound, Stark Tech and satellite surveillance they probably have behind the scenes footage we could never even dream of.

Entire film kind of found footage way like at the start of Homecoming let's gooo

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I'd watch it

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It would have been great if the school news report from Far From Home had footage of the battle in Endgame in it, would have just kind of established that yeah, everyone knows what happened

It's been 5 years since infinity war. That's enough time for details of the battle to become disseminated.

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