Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 361: The Art of the Heal

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I dont want open borders as that makes little sense.

Also I would gladly let the government figure out how to reduce spending rather than each person. They are far better equipped. Also by cutting out the middle man by default it's cheaper than now

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DoomTheGyarados posted...

I dont want open borders as that makes little sense.

Also I would gladly let the government figure out how to reduce spending rather than each person. They are far better equipped. Also by cutting out the middle man by default it's cheaper than now

And that makes sense to why we have differences of opinion. I believe literally anyone who isn't a criminal who wants to come to America should be able to, and I acknowledge the sacrifices that would have to be made to make it happen

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I think we need to fix America before we freely let people come first. I am not against it for any reason other than economically. Medicare for all first tbh

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near unlimited migration is definitely in the hard libertarianism camp of things so that's not surprising.
i'm more in camp of government over businesses for that one. government regulates things in necessary checkpoints, to assure the status of its country first, and businesses are to follow along that. prefer that over businesses controlling over everything by virtue of numbers. so i don't even register unlimited migration as a plausible item. you've your individual freedom in this country but other countries have their other rules and we sacrifice part of ours so that we have ours too.

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Honestly I think some of my views on that are because I lived in Ghana a couple years. Had a buddy who made $90 a MONTH at his job.

It's just bullshit that the country someone is born in determines so much of their wellbeing. I don't think being born in America should entitle me to a higher level of living than someone born in a poor country.

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Im for open borders** AND Medicare for all.

**All you need is a job, a place to live, or someone to vouch for you, and welcome aboard.

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I agree with that for sure. But if we fix our systems we can better help everyone.

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masterplum posted...

Honestly I think some of my views on that are because I lived in Ghana a couple years. Had a buddy who made $90 a MONTH at his job.

It's just bullshit that the country someone is born in determines so much of their wellbeing. I don't think being born in America should entitle me to a higher level of living than someone born in a poor country.

but what was the cost of living there for him? also how much he makes monthly should honestly be secondary to things us in the first world are massively spoiled over, like a home with clean, running water, electricity, and a toilet.

but yes, your birthplace determines 90% of your life options and there isn't really an ideal solution to that. the best we've figured out has been what a lot of the 20th century was with the way capitalism rose more people out of poverty than ever before. continuing that trend to try to raise the standards of other places to have some of what we consider basic necessities would probably be the best long-term solution, though it has a lot of cracks in it as we also would need to improve our conditions too. basically, if you target countries over individual people you'll be able to help more people. each individual may not be able to gain as much but the gains will reflect a lot more within a few generations and all of those will be in a better position than their predecessors.

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His cost of living was absolutely lower, but not THAT much lower. And absolute value still matters in terms of never being able to import anything ever

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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

Im for open borders** AND Medicare for all.

Same.

No reason to create a shadow class that fears immigration more than violent criminals do. Since that shadow class would be very useful in gaining intel.

And hey, those people coming in? They'd be tax-payers (kind of like they are now!)

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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

Im for open borders** AND Medicare for all.

**All you need is a job, a place to live, or someone to vouch for you, and welcome aboard.

Depending on your job it can be really hard to line up an employer beforehand. But I think the vouching system could be handled better. Make it more like co-signing for a house. If you are vouching for someone to come to this country so either they will be able to support themselves shortly after arrival or you will support them until they can.

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I think McConnell just used the words "Inciting an erection" before correcting the last word to "insurrection".

I hope I heard that right~

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Crescent-Moon posted...

I think McConnell just used the words "Inciting an erection" before correcting the last word to "insurrection".

I hope I heard that right~

Hey he read my old topic title
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I cant believe I need to post this, but a healthcare system that covers everybody saves money. America spends 2-3x per capita what public systems like the UK and Italy do, half of it private. These systems are designed to save money by cutting bureaucracy and making people healthier. Its well shown!

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https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/22/politics/fact-check-biden-100-million-doses-vaccine-goal-media/index.html

Baby POTUS first false statement

*sniff* they grow up so fast
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Bidens clearly not being literal so calling it false is odd.

Its a terrible response though! He could have said something like yeah its the best we can reasonably achieve or its enough for that period or even Id rather underpromise and overdeliver. What he said just sounds like quasi-Trump

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Maybe he was trying to sound "presidential" based upon the previous 4 years of observation.

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No comparisons to Trump allowed.

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https://forward.com/opinion/462603/andrew-yang-mayoral-race-new-york-city-jewish-community/

A Yang administration will push back against the BDS movement, which singles out Israel for unfair economic punishment. Not only is BDS rooted in antisemitic thought and history, hearkening back to fascist boycotts of Jewish businesses, its also a direct shot at New York Citys economy. Strong ties with Israel are essential for a global city such as ours, which boasts the highest Jewish population in the world outside of Israel. Our economy is struggling, and we should be looking for ways to bring back small businesses, not stop commerce.

Booooo bad Yang!
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Lmao fuck off yang

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I mean, I dont exactly support it either because it doesnt work and will largely hurt regular people, especially the less fortunate, with no say in the government.

Implying that any economic action against Israel is inherently antisemitic is a take though, oof.

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http://www.paspotlight.org/2021/pa-senate-republican-caucus-spent-1-04-million-in-taxpayer-money-on-voter-suppression-election-denial-efforts/

URL says it all, really. Further in they point out that of the $1M, nearly $400k went to a law firm where the head of the state GOP works. Granted, $1M is barely anything in the grand scheme of things, but the dems really need to work on improving local politics and not get complacent because they won at the national level.

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Crescent-Moon posted...

I think McConnell just used the words "Inciting an erection" before correcting the last word to "insurrection".

I hope I heard that right~

dunno about Mitch but Schumer did.

we're coming full circle to the idea that trump is a boner.


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https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1352425061718884354?s=21

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https://twitter.com/zuza_real/status/1352650351728537602?s=21



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https://twitter.com/guardian/status/1352667044496465923?s=21

Well, fuck

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https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/1352659302176206850?s=20

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https://federalnewsnetwork.com/workforce/2021/01/biden-to-repeal-schedule-f-overturn-trump-workforce-policies-with-new-executive-order/

fantastic

(also very relieved that the possible last day of Trumps term newly-classified-as-political-employee purge didnt end up happening afaik)

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Lightning Strikes posted...

Bidens clearly not being literal so calling it false is odd.

Its a terrible response though! He could have said something like yeah its the best we can reasonably achieve or its enough for that period or even Id rather underpromise and overdeliver. What he said just sounds like quasi-Trump

Holy shit the fact checkers you all praised the sun to for 4 years are now wrong when a d boy is in the white house too. Damnn. Lolol.

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Yes, cherry pick the one person who said that instead of everyone else who said it was a bad look from biden. (a bad look because it resembled the type of phrasing that Trump would have used)

And the main point is that there were several other more reasonable ways Biden could have responded because this is essentially a non-issue.

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Corrik7 posted...

Holy shit the fact checkers you all praised the sun to for 4 years are now wrong when a d boy is in the white house too. Damnn. Lolol.

Biden was wrong about all Journalists having a single take on an issue. Oh no.

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Looking forward to the livechart graph of lies per day/overall lies between Trump/Biden. I'm sure someone will make that.

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If you want even more funs, you can tune into the people saying the antifa riot in Portland is actually a false flag and was all Alt-Right disguised as them. (Sounds familiar to the Right's cries about January 6th).

*shrug* lol

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Blatantly stolen from the politics board, but I can't just not post this.

https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.txwd.1120287/gov.uscourts.txwd.1120287.6.0.pdf

https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.txwd.1120287/gov.uscourts.txwd.1120287.6.9_1.pdf

During the course of the epic trilogy, the rightful King of Gondor had abandoned the throne. Since only the rightful king could sit on the throne of Gondor, a steward was appointed to manage Gondor until the return of the King, known as Aragorn, occurred at the end of the story. This analogy is applicable since there is now in Washington, D.C., a group of individuals calling themselves the President, Vice President, and Congress who have no rightful claim to govern the American People. Accordingly, as set forth in the Proposed Temporary Restraining Order, as a remedy the Court should appoint a group of special masters (the Stewards) to provide a check the power of the illegitimate President until this Constitutional Crisis can be resolved through a peaceful legal process of a Preliminary Injunction Hearing and a jury trial on the merits.

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It's like the nerd from Robot Chicken joined the alt-right.
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i mean there's always gonna be a couple false flaggers in any large enough riot. hell, some of them aren't even really part of any movement beyond wanting to see shit burn regardless of who does it, so you'll have some overlap within anarchists as a result there. you'll also get some government agents, FBI and CIA both are known for it. not to say that the vast majority of people in either case aren't what they say they are, but anyone trying to mount a defense pointing to false flaggers can easily get dismissed by agreeing with the position that they exist and it doesn't excuse all the people who aren't. if they agree with that, just keep breadcrumbing. if they don't, i'm not entirely sure there's anywhere to go.

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Only 3 days in and we have already reached Dijon.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/22/fashion/mens-style/rolex-biden.html

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I didn't think about this before, but having a normally functioning Executive Branch post-Trump is going to tank news media ratings so much that they might all (not just fox news) manufacture a tan suit story every week.

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People didn't even universally praise fact checkers during Trump's presidency. Calling out pedantic fact checks was pretty common, it's just that when Trump lied it usually wasn't something that could be boiled down to minor pedantry.

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HeroDelTiempo17 posted...

People didn't even universally praise fact checkers during Trump's presidency. Calling out pedantic fact checks was pretty common, it's just that when Trump lied it usually wasn't something that could be boiled down to minor pedantry.

Actually it probably still was. Dude lied a lot.
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Yeah Corriks making shit up/confusing us with ResetERA again, because I complained MANY times about nonsensical/pedantic fact-checks on Bernie, and I dont recall any defense of them.

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"Specifically, Psaki confirmed that Biden would move in the early days of the administration to reverse the Mexico City policy a decades-old rule barring U.S. foreign aid from going to any organization that provides abortions"

From politico. I saw ten thousand right wing sources posting this but couldn't find a reputable one until politico. Weird.

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Hasn't that been toggled back and forth basically every time the Presidency changed parties since its inception?
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same thing happened with the national guard story that just happened. the one about them being kicked out of the capitol, sent to the parking lot with 1 power strip and 1 bathroom for 5000 people. i mean after the reporting the decision was reverted but damage done: a few states are pulling back their troops. of course, now there's hundreds of new covid instances too and doubtful the parking lot situation helped for the positives that'll come out.

give it time and most other publications will get over their current hero worship with biden. they must've not gotten the memo, maybe CNN got it twice instead. certainly would explain their whole bit of biden needing to start from scratch that got called out by a couple outlets, Politico included. that one seems to be straight pr they put out.

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https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/22/politics/senate-republicans-trump-impeachment-case/index.html

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That's fine. They'll have on their voting history that leading an armed insurrection to kill legislators is ok by them.

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So either "it's too soon to give him due process" or "enough time has passed, we need to move on".

You can say both fucking simultaneously.

The content worthy of impeachment isn't even complex forensic evidence that will require months to carefully procure. It's VIDEO FOOTAGE of things he said ON NATIONAL TELEVISION.

It's like "here, watch this footage from before/during/after the riots and watch him tell his supporters to march to the capitol and watch him say he loves the people who BROKE INTO THE CAPITOL. And it took us 5 minutes to gather this evidence BECAUSE WE RECORDED IT ON OUR DVR".

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It also means the President can do whatever he wants within, say, a month of the end of his term, because by the time he would be impeached and have a full Senate trial, he'd be out of office.

The logic is fucking baffling.

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