Start the pantry, Junpei is missing. Akane and Carlos have a whole conversation about how much she loves Junpei, but I already know this is in the part of the flowchart where Junpei is dead.
These "fake limbs" had better actually be fake and not Junpei's limbs, or else Carlos is an idiot for not being able to tell the difference between fake and real.
Figuring out to reverse the potato code to open a door took me an embarrassingly long time.
Open the pantry door, and it's Junpei's head! Who could have ever expected thisssss
Akane that is not how you use a chainsaw on a wooden door, it would just break the chainsaw.
Carlos has a flashback that says he needs 500000 dollars to save his sister. Do firefighters have medical insurance? I have to believe they do, and medical insurance usually applies to family members you're the guardian of.
Akane, look, I understand the idea of turning off the lights to ambush Carlos. But you have a chainsaw, that's possibly the single loudest weapon in existence.
Carlos kills himself because maybe he did kill Junpei.
Go back, Akane cuts off Carlos' hand, he kills her in response. Dude, you need to do something about that arm stump.
Goddammit another lock.
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I appreciate the stupidity of this dice rolling vs gatling gun game.
MAKE YOUR DECISION: ROLL THE DICE. You are using an unacceptably broad definition of "decision," game.
Oh my God, they animated Carlos jumping over a bar.
Get the triple snake eyes on the third try, doing nothing special at all. Later, Akane's like "maybe in reality we threw the dice many times," and then she's like "lol humans exist despite it being unlikely maybe that means GOD???"
Another lockkkk
Okay, I've completed all of the non-locked paths that don't require an input of some kind. Now I need one of: the fourth way to resolve the Mexican standoff, the code to the door Sigma and Diana find, the name of Mira's killer, the code to activate the fancy computer, or the solution to a box puzzle. Probably gonna have to fool around with these for a while.
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Yeah the rad thing about some of the choices in this game is that there is a genuine element of probability and chance. It is actually a 2/3 chance if you switch, just like actual Monty Hall. Though it sounds like you got unlucky!
It should actually be a 9/10 chance if you switch, since there's 10 doors, so he got REALLY unlucky lol
I knew about the Monty Hall problem so I stuck with my original choice cause I wanted to see the bad end first and I ended up finding the mask. Whoops! lol
I literally don't know how many tries it took me to figure out that I should let the timer run out on the "Who killed Mira" question. And my reward is another lock.
Still don't know how to get through the door or the computer. I've tried inputting the code I got from Zero in multiple ways, but no dice.
Paratroopa1 posted...
It should actually be a 9/10 chance if you switch, since there's 10 doors, so he got REALLY unlucky lol
That's pretty amusing, actually.
Paratroopa1 posted...
By the way, the triple snake eyes dice always happens on the third try, they don't actually force you to reset until you hit a 1 in 216 chance
I figured that might be the case.
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I love C Team's reaction to the triple snake eyes.
Classic Junpei was fun.
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I hit both my 90% chance to succeed on a switch and my 90% chance to fail on a stay, so I had no idea that the monty python puzzle could fuck you, haha.
I literally don't know how many tries it took me to figure out that I should let the timer run out on the "Who killed Mira" question. And my reward is another lock.
Finally figured out my issues and was able to progress. Turns out I hadn't unlocked all of the executions, which made me unable to access one of C Team's fragments.
Phi, just before their heads explode: "Sigma, let's jump." Man, really leaving another Sigma and Phi holding the bag, there, huh.
Junpei nooo why would you hit betray so predictably
I mean, in a way, this ending does resolve things, right? Now that I think about it, it's only that one ending where Phi is injected that the world is destroyed, otherwise, Sigma and Phi do technically succeed.
"There's a Japanese saying: Assume everyone you meet is a thief. It means you should never trust strangers too easily." Jeez, thanks, Junpei. I could have never puzzled out your superior Japanese sayings for myself.
Go back and hit betray, but this time Junpei allies, and it's a repeat of the second game when Sigma's like 'what the crap, Alice?' Getting predictable, game.
"Does this mean that I've somehow been avoiding the paths leading to death?" *Is immediately killed by Akane*
And now there's another path available from the AB game. The magical blue ghost comes down again and enters Carlos just before they play the AB Game.
"Let's dance around referencing Back to the Future by name."
I mean, okay, game, if there are multiple worlds that branch off from decisions, that's cool, but then why even bother stopping Radical-6 from getting out when it won't affect your timeline? In fact, why was Tenmyouji against changing the past if that's the case? Because Tenmyouji clearly thought the future would be erased if you changed the past.
Akane, Junpei and you technically didn't shift in the first game, you just sent messages to each other about puzzle video games. It was like reading a GameFAQs walkthrough to someone over the phone.
Jesus Christ, Akane, you blowing up the reactor might make you shift, but you're dooming the other Junpei, Akane, and Carlos, and this universe's Phi.
"Junpei, put your hand on my boobs."
Wow, these gatling guns sure are taking their time shooting this time. And didn't those guns easily shoot through a wooden bar? I feel like that's tougher than two human bodies.
Wow, really leaving the other dimensions' Junpei and Carlos to die, huh? Like... at least the first time you did this on purpose, you chose a dimension where they were already doomed. That other dimension's Junpei, Carlos, and Akane just finished celebrating how they survived the dice roll.
The X-Passes don't work, oh nooooooo
Carlos, if a robot can punch a hole in steel, you, Akane, and Junpei are not surviving a punch each.
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Carlos travels to the universe where he killed Akane with an axe.
Man, Carlos really likes talking to himself.
"Twins' birthday. I'd better check Mira's body." If this is an elongated boob joke, I'll be impressed.
Then back to Sigma and Diana after they're stranded in the reality where Phi is dead and the game is already over. Sigma says "well, I can shift, so I'll just leave." Haha, no he doesn't, he says they have to wait ten months for the transporter to recharge.
"I truly wish that's true."
I actually kind of like these scenes of Diana and Sigma killing time.
Diana pulls out Luna's blue bird music box from the second game, and Sigma clearly didn't know she had it. But didn't she have it during the time you spent with her on the moon, and passed it on to Luna?
"Nothing's changed, it's all the same! The same scenery, the same can every day." This series just can't stop predicting Covid, huh?
Diana used to be married? She looks like she's 25.
Oh my God, Diana's voice actress doesn't know how to act drunk at all. This is like in Stranger Things s2 when what's-her-face does the worst drunk acting of all time.
Huh, didn't expect them to actually have sex. I mean, if you were trapped for ten months with someone and had nothing else to do, yes, you'd probably spend that time boning everywhere, I was actually going to make that joke. Probably you wouldn't have sex in an alien transporter pod, and then put your clothes back on after sex so the animators wouldn't have to model naked people.
Three months later, their clothes are still in pristine condition. I don't remember a laundry machine, dammit.
Diana gives birth to twins, and the babies' faces are just a complete JPEG nightmare. Wait a second, if they only had enough food to barely scrape by for ten months, and Diana was pregoh whatever.
Okay, Sigma's bracelet is appearing and disappearing between shots, I wasn't certain before, but I am now.
Sigma says "let's transport the babies into another dimension before 2009 when there's still food, but I guess this only copies them so the two of us will still see our children starve to death here, but I won't mention that because it's depressing."
If you're a woman, and your husband says he wants to name your daughter after his dead girlfriend, how angry are you? I mean, yes, I can see that baby Phi is going to turn out to be our Phi, which is weird because Sigma in the second game kept hitting on her, but Diana doesn't know that.
Diana, how about you put a warning letter in the transport pod that explaoh whatever.
Baby End get.
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Assuming Delta is Zero. If we're really lucky, someone will bring up how delta is used in math to represent change.
Onto the force quit box that opens with mothers' mementoes.
Diana suddenly knows her relation to Phi. I get how Sigma also remembers that, but how does Phi?
Is it weird to be the 25 year-old mother of a 22 year-old?
Wait, that section just ends with them hugging? This was not represented as being so abrupt, dammit.
Got stuck again, checked a guide, it seems to imply that the baby ending gives you the 8 digit code to get through the door as Sigma and Diana, but I couldn't find anything like that.
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Went back to the Mexican standoff and entered Delta, expecting it to be Q killing himself. Instead he flips around, says sorry, shoots the screen, and someone, presumably Delta, dies in first person, and Mira and Eric are just like "Of all your choices, you shot him?" I feel like there should be more surprise at what seems like a non-canon ending. Clearly means Delta is either the player or Zero, or both.
Still don't know how to find the stupid code for the Door of Truth.
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This Door of Truth code is the most obtuse code in the entire series so far. You have to notice that it's the same door from the other side and that that side of the door has "twins' birthday" written on it and you have to know the birthday of the twins in baby ending. I rewatched the baby ending and couldn't find that, so I finally just looked it up, sue me. If anyone ever says "November 16" in that ending, I must be blind and deaf.
Sigma and Diana go through into the pod room and find Eric and Q... but Mira is dead! Dun dun dun.
"I'll leave Eric, an ice cream clerk, to try to revive Mira." -- Diana, professional nurse.
In the other pods are everyone else's bodies except Carlos, and Phi's head exploded from the earlier execution.
Everyone meets up, Eric says "I'm gonna shoot everyone if no one admits to killing Mira. Diana points out how they're from another dimension and couldn't have killed his Mira, but Eric's like "it's more likely that you're lying about that and are some kind of fakes," and honestly, it's hard to dispute that.
"Even if I did kill Akane, it wasn't what I did right now!"
Oh my goddddd it's all a holodeck. Oh my double goddddd it's Monokuma's funhouse. But seriously, this had better be actually important and not just another "you're on the mooooooooon" plot twist.
"Your left hand..." "I'll explain later." I, uh, I think that's pretty straightforward, there, Eric.
Did it really take this long for someone to think of putting something between the bracelet and your wrist? The second game went out of its way to include a file saying you can't do that and explaining why. I realize that was the second game, but give me a break, that's like the first thing anyone would think of trying.
A recording of Zero is like "lol I'm on Q Team." That fits with Zero appearing in the universe where Mira opened the door and was the only survivor.
Man, Carlos just has zero ethical concerns about shifting to other timelines and leaving the other Carloses to die in his place. Akane even went out of her way to explain that that's what he's doing, too.
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Load up the newest C Team fragment, Apocalypse. Junpei and Akane are in the new dimension without Carlos, who says he'll meet them there.
*Junpei looks at a bunch of rocks burying the exit* "Why is it completely buried in sand?"
Zero shows up in a recording and says "lol Radical-6 got out, everyone is doomed."
Yeah, I'd figured out Zero was Brother a while ago, I should've written that down. Just trust me on this.
I dunno, Zero, I feel like there's a step below "kill 8 billion people" besides "kill 6 billion people."
Zero, you could make a way stronger argument by pointing out how Akane and Junpei kept sacrificing alternate dimension versions of themselves in order to keep going, just saying.
Jesus Christ, Sigma, you transported your kids to 1904? I know you had to do it pre-2009 because Zero gets it afterward, but 1904? I assume we'll get an explanation for why Phi isn't 125 years old later. I hope that this game's convoluted logic will somehow work in how 125 is the square of 5.
Can you even really threaten someone with being imprisoned for the rest of their lives if they can shift to other timelines?
A coaster labeled "Anagram?" How did they knowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
I honestly can't believe that they modeled Carlos in a firefighter outfit. Junpei and Akane are like "Carlos, dude, why didn't you transport far enough back in time to stop Zero's plan, we're very upset with you." You had literally the exact same chance he did.
Oh damn, I have to take back my earlier complaint that Junpei died in the timeline where Radical-6 escapes and appears in the future. I'm actually quite impressed they thought of that.
I mean, okay, this explains how Akane and Junpei are still around in the future, but shouldn't Phi be like "oh damn Junpei Tenmyouji, I thought you exploded, glad to see you're still alive."
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Load up Force Quit C, Carlos pretends to rape Akane to bait Junpei into attacking him, and then he proposes a drink to "clean the slate between us." I'm sorry, am I just not paying close enough attention to know what's going on here?
Load up the next fragment, Eric is still holding everyone hostage with a shotgun.
Botch the "Who is Zero" question on purpose to see what happens. Eric kills everyone. Hey, uh, Sigma, you do know that Eric just shot twice with a shotgun that only holds two shells, right? I ask because you look like you could easily take Eric in a fistfight.
Q points to the screen and yells it's Delta. So the plot twist is that the third person perspective of the game all along has just been the first person perspective of a guy wearing sunglasses that connect into the cameras, and no one ever referenced him until just now, and everyone knew the kid's name was Sean all along? Are we to assume that any time Mira escaped, Delta was just there, watching? Because, I mean, if Q Team had four members the entire time, why was no one asking about that? And where was Delta's fake wheelchair when he was pulled out of a pod by Sigma and Diana? Or if he was outside of the pod all along... oh forget it.
This image of Sean with all of the cables coming out of his neck is hilarious.
Delta reveals that he can control Eric's actions, and ends the history by killing everyone except Diana, then saying "mom."
Game, why are you making me input the helmet numbers again, just to reach this point I have to have already done it once.
Oh jeez, was Mira chosen because she has no emotions and thus couldn't ever go between histories because shift requires danger? God, if that's the case, then I feel ashamed for not thinking of that until just now.
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The delta twist is so dumb But I do like that it brings back this..
Tried to kill Q next, but when I input Q, it says "PLEASE INPUT Q'S NAME." I try Quark, and it says Error. So I go and dig up Eric's brother's name and input Chris, but that's also an error, as was Christopher, so I have to leave a route undone.
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The only good thing about the Delta reveal is that on numerous occasions (usually the person who does the betrayal in the initial vote), people talk about how they felt like they weren't in control of their own actions. It seems like this is just referencing the player (as this series isn't above that), but presumably it was actually Delta doing it. ---
"One toot on this whistle will take you to a far away land." -Toad, SMB3
The funny part is that the limited perspective you normally get in a VN would make Delta being there the whole time make more sense. Instead we're supposed to believe someone posing as a guy who literally can't move on his own never showed up on camera...somehow? ---
"One toot on this whistle will take you to a far away land." -Toad, SMB3
The Delta reveal unironically rules. I love storytelling in video games that uses perspective as a part of the story (like in 999), and it gives you a good amount of clues to whats going on, the biggest being all of the ways the characters react to Sean. The game isnt just making it up, its dangling it right in front of you. You can even hear his voice in the Q Team acid scene!
My issues with the story are more complex motive related.
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You can foreshadow a twist a lot and still have it not make sense. Delta never appearing on camera despite the 3rd-person perspective, never being mentioned by his team except in very oblique ways, and Sean's name never coming up naturally in dialogue are all a lot to swallow, and I like twists based on limited perspective.
I'm more willing than most to suspend disbelief for the sake of a good twist just as long as you do some good foreshadowing and things like that, so I was good with all the Delta stuff.
The only good thing about the Delta reveal is that on numerous occasions (usually the person who does the betrayal in the initial vote), people talk about how they felt like they weren't in control of their own actions. It seems like this is just referencing the player (as this series isn't above that), but presumably it was actually Delta doing it.
Actually, wait, wasn't it only the leader who's supposed to be able to press the button on the computer? Because I remember the announcer saying the leader has to push it, and no one ever argues with that idea, but it's Sean who presses it now that I think about it.
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The camera thing is fine because there are glimpses, the shadows, and so on. It makes sense that it would only be those glimpses since why would he watch himself?
There are definitely some contrivances like the lack of saying Sean, but that works for me.
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Load up Final Decision, the last unlocked fragment. Everyone gets together and now knows the truth. If everyone now remembers the other histories, shouldn't they be like "Oh jeez it's Mira the serial killer, I'd better be scared of her?"
I refuse to believe that pretending to rape Akane was the easiest way to whisper into her ear. "It would look suspicious otherwise." Wouldn't you acting completely out of character be even more suspicious?
So I guess any time when Delta was dead, we were just seeing genuine third-person perspective, such as the timeline when he was born, and it was indistinguishable from his first person perspective? Because... you know what, I'll talk about the Delta twist after I'm done with the game.
Game, I was willing to go with you on "shifting" and "transporting," but "mind hack" is a step too far. Is he going to give an explanation for why he can mind hack?
Oh no, it's a 125 year-old man threatening to shoot a shotgun with one hand.
I'm sorry, are we going to get an explanation for why Sigma is still alive at 125 and looks like he's only 70? Don't say super science, he was "born" with pre-WWI technology.
Yeah, *now* someone says "November 16, 2019" for when the twins were born.
"Phi went from 2029 to 1904 to 2008." Okay, but there had better be an explanation for why the German guy sent her to 2008. Also, wondering when 125 year-old Phi will pop up.
"And your little dog, toooooooooooo!" Everyone is so much more upset over Gab's death than they were over the others' deaths.
"I'm 125 years old, just got kicked into a wall, and shot in the chest by a shotgun... And it's time to talk some more."
"We'll be forcing ourselves into these other bodies, and they'll die without knowing why." Junpei, you have done this several times already. Carlos in particular has doomed God-knows-how-many versions of himself just to get this far, and you blew up that one reality where Phi was still alive. I'm sorry, but if there's an ethical dilemma here, you guys have already long ago made your decisions.
Chose the "don't jump" option to get it out of the way, will do the rest later.
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Incidentally, the three groups all had different authors, which is part of why they're a bit inconsistent. Also since nobody answered this earlier:
Anagram posted...
Just from the title of the game alone, I notice it's not part of the Nonary Games pack. Does that mean we're going in without a convoluted game themed around the number 9?
999 and VLR were ported to a bunch of other systems around the time ZTD came out as the Nonary Games pack. Nothing deeper than that. ---
Go back and jump this time. It sent me back to the team select screen. For one moment, I thought the game was pulling another ZE2, where there is no real ending.
Delta's like "lol humanity's doomed anyway," everyone is like "whatever, we'll change things," and he's like "lol that's what I wanted you to do." Honestly, I feel like you could have solved this whole issue more easily by killing the religious fanatic who started the war that killed everyone. And don't say that he didn't know who it was, he's got mind reading powers. And don't say that he needed to be born; in this history (where he and Phi clearly exist), he was never born.
Delta says "okay here's a gun, shoot me if you want," and I don't get to make the decision, we just cut to unskippable credits, which means they're the real credits this time.
Like, is no one going to address Mira being an insane murderer? She cut a guy's heart out of his chest and ate it while orgasming. This is significantly worse than the equivalent character in Danganronpa.
Dammit, I missed the achievement for getting all quest files. I did this in the other game, too, but I didn't even realize you could miss quest files in this game.
Okay, finally done (I assume). I will post my thoughts on the game and the series in my next post.
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