Poll of the Day > Trump pardons Paul Manafort, Roger Stone and Charles Kushner

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Judgmenl 12/23/20 7:29:03 PM #1:	https://www.axios.com/trump-pardons-paul-manafort-roger-stone-charles-kushner-1102411a-40f0-4b08-a4df-ec3e2652a522.html --- You're a regular Jack Kerouac <cite>Judgmenl posted [p:948690359] in Trump pard... [t:79195552]...</cite> <quote>https://www.axios.com/trump-pardons-paul-manafort-roger-stone-charles-kushner-1102411a-40f0-4b08-a4df-ec3e2652a522.html </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lokarin 12/23/20 7:43:06 PM #2:	He also pardoned a few good guys though... but it is dumb that he pardoned a lot of his personal friends --- "Salt cures Everything!" My YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/Nirakolov/videos <cite>Lokarin posted [p:948690840] in Trump pard... [t:79195552]...</cite> <quote>He also pardoned a few good guys though... but it is dumb that he pardoned a lot of his personal friends </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeus 12/23/20 8:22:19 PM #3:	Lokarin posted... but it is dumb that he pardoned a lot of his personal friends Overlooking that they're not "personal friends" (maybe excluding Kushner), that's literally how pardons usually work. They tend to go towards people connected to the president, his allies, or his party. --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| There are precious few at ease / With moral ambiguities / So we act as though they don't exist. <cite>Zeus posted [p:948692089] in Trump pard... [t:79195552]...</cite> <quote>Lokarin posted... </cite> <quote>but it is dumb that he pardoned a lot of his personal friends</quote> Overlooking that they're not "personal friends" (maybe excluding Kushner), that's literally how pardons usually work. They tend to go towards people connected to the president, his allies, or his party. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Judgmenl 12/23/20 8:25:58 PM #4:	I want to see Trump pardon himself. That will be an interesting entry into our history books. --- You're a regular Jack Kerouac <cite>Judgmenl posted [p:948692192] in Trump pard... [t:79195552]...</cite> <quote>I want to see Trump pardon himself. That will be an interesting entry into our history books. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
rjsilverthorn 12/23/20 8:33:33 PM #5:	We really need some rules around presidential pardon powers. <cite>rjsilverthorn posted [p:948692407] in Trump pard... [t:79195552]...</cite> <quote>We really need some rules around presidential pardon powers. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Judgmenl 12/23/20 8:40:15 PM #6:	rjsilverthorn posted... We really need some rules around presidential pardon powers. SCOTUS is a reactionary body so we'll only see it ruled by them if a president ever pardons themself. --- You're a regular Jack Kerouac <cite>Judgmenl posted [p:948692609] in Trump pard... [t:79195552]...</cite> <quote>rjsilverthorn posted... </cite> <quote>We really need some rules around presidential pardon powers.</quote>SCOTUS is a reactionary body so we'll only see it ruled by them if a president ever pardons themself. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Raddest_Chad 12/23/20 9:05:55 PM #7:	"I'm guilty. And before I leave office, I pardon myself" - Trump, 2021 <cite>Raddest_Chad posted [p:948693405] in Trump pard... [t:79195552]...</cite> <quote>"I'm guilty. And before I leave office, I pardon myself" - Trump, 2021 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lokarin 12/23/20 9:10:08 PM #8:	Zeus posted... Overlooking that they're not "personal friends" (maybe excluding Kushner), that's literally how pardons usually work. They tend to go towards people connected to the president, his allies, or his party. Don't forget Manafort - they had a bromance in the 70s --- "Salt cures Everything!" My YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/Nirakolov/videos <cite>Lokarin posted [p:948693549] in Trump pard... [t:79195552]...</cite> <quote>Zeus posted... </cite> <quote>Overlooking that they're not "personal friends" (maybe excluding Kushner), that's literally how pardons usually work. They tend to go towards people connected to the president, his allies, or his party.</quote> Don't forget Manafort - they had a bromance in the 70s </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
rjsilverthorn 12/23/20 9:26:57 PM #9:	Judgmenl posted... SCOTUS is a reactionary body so we'll only see it ruled by them if a president ever pardons themselves. I wasn't speaking just to that, even the fact that a president can pardon his own associates is an issue. <cite>rjsilverthorn posted [p:948694126] in Trump pard... [t:79195552]...</cite> <quote>Judgmenl posted... </cite> <quote>SCOTUS is a reactionary body so we'll only see it ruled by them if a president ever pardons themselves.</quote> I wasn't speaking just to that, even the fact that a president can pardon his own associates is an issue. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Blightzkrieg 12/23/20 9:29:46 PM #10:	It's weird how Trump is pardoning his cronies and war criminals like a week after rushing the executions of those on death row Is he law and order or is he fucking not --- https://imgur.com/MRzhYyY <cite>Blightzkrieg posted [p:948694223] in Trump pard... [t:79195552]...</cite> <quote>It's weird how Trump is pardoning his cronies and war criminals like a week after rushing the executions of those on death row Is he law and order or is he fucking not </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BADoglick 12/23/20 9:36:05 PM #11:	Blightzkrieg posted... It's weird how Trump is pardoning his cronies and war criminals like a week after rushing the executions of those on death row Is he law and order or is he fucking not 'Law and order' is a dog whistle for perpetuating systemic racism --- BADoglick to the Max! <cite>BADoglick posted [p:948694418] in Trump pard... [t:79195552]...</cite> <quote>Blightzkrieg posted... </cite> <quote>It's weird how Trump is pardoning his cronies and war criminals like a week after rushing the executions of those on death row Is he law and order or is he fucking not</quote> 'Law and order' is a dog whistle for perpetuating systemic racism </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Raddest_Chad 12/23/20 9:50:36 PM #12:	rjsilverthorn posted... I wasn't speaking just to that, even the fact that a president can pardon his own associates is an issue. The problem is that the founders seemingly didn't likely foresee somebody so unqualified and unsuited to the office to win the presidency. <cite>Raddest_Chad posted [p:948694834] in Trump pard... [t:79195552]...</cite> <quote>rjsilverthorn posted... </cite> <quote>I wasn't speaking just to that, even the fact that a president can pardon his own associates is an issue.</quote>The problem is that the founders seemingly didn't likely foresee somebody so unqualified and unsuited to the office to win the presidency. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
rjsilverthorn 12/23/20 10:13:40 PM #13:	Raddest_Chad posted... The problem is that the founders seemingly didn't likely foresee somebody so unqualified and unsuited to the office to win the presidency. Actually apparently at least some of them did: https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/12/problem-pardons-was-clear-start/617397/ <cite>rjsilverthorn posted [p:948695643] in Trump pard... [t:79195552]...</cite> <quote>Raddest_Chad posted... </cite> <quote>The problem is that the founders seemingly didn't likely foresee somebody so unqualified and unsuited to the office to win the presidency.</quote> Actually apparently at least some of them did: https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/12/problem-pardons-was-clear-start/617397/ </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Revelation34 12/23/20 10:20:02 PM #14:	Raddest_Chad posted... The problem is that the founders seemingly didn't likely foresee somebody so unqualified and unsuited to the office to win the presidency. They also didn't think people would be able to hide behind the 2nd amendment for hate speech and defamation. --- Gamertag: Kegfarms, BF code: 2033480226, Treasure Cruise code 318,374,355, Steam: Kegfarms <cite>Revelation34 posted [p:948695855] in Trump pard... [t:79195552]...</cite> <quote>Raddest_Chad posted...</cite> <quote> The problem is that the founders seemingly didn't likely foresee somebody so unqualified and unsuited to the office to win the presidency. </quote> They also didn't think people would be able to hide behind the 2nd amendment for hate speech and defamation.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Krazy_Kirby 12/23/20 10:28:58 PM #15:	Revelation34 posted... They also didn't think people would be able to hide behind the 2nd amendment for hate speech and defamation. they should be allowed to say what they want, and face consequences. it shouldn't be illegal just because it's hateful --- Kill From The Shadows. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idiot <cite>Krazy_Kirby posted [p:948696163] in Trump pard... [t:79195552]...</cite> <quote>Revelation34 posted...</cite> <quote> They also didn't think people would be able to hide behind the 2nd amendment for hate speech and defamation.</quote> they should be allowed to say what they want, and face consequences. it shouldn't be illegal just because it's hateful</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Revelation34 12/23/20 10:33:04 PM #16:	Krazy_Kirby posted... they should be allowed to say what they want, and face consequences. it shouldn't be illegal just because it's hateful There are no consequences for those. --- Gamertag: Kegfarms, BF code: 2033480226, Treasure Cruise code 318,374,355, Steam: Kegfarms <cite>Revelation34 posted [p:948696301] in Trump pard... [t:79195552]...</cite> <quote>Krazy_Kirby posted...</cite> <quote> they should be allowed to say what they want, and face consequences. it shouldn't be illegal just because it's hateful</quote> There are no consequences for those.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BlackScythe0 12/23/20 10:45:13 PM #17:	The most corrupt president in US history is teaching us how our institutions fail when so much of them depend on us choosing the best of us to hold office. Needless to say time for a constitutional amendment doing away with pardons. <cite>BlackScythe0 posted [p:948696693] in Trump pard... [t:79195552]...</cite> <quote>The most corrupt president in US history is teaching us how our institutions fail when so much of them depend on us choosing the best of us to hold office. Needless to say time for a constitutional amendment doing away with pardons. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sarcasthma 12/23/20 11:23:53 PM #18:	Revelation34 posted... They also didn't think people would be able to hide behind the 2nd amendment for hate speech and defamation. The second? --- What's the difference between a pickpocket and a peeping tom? A pickpocket snatches your watch. <cite>Sarcasthma posted [p:948697757] in Trump pard... [t:79195552]...</cite> <quote>Revelation34 posted... </cite> <quote>They also didn't think people would be able to hide behind the 2nd amendment for hate speech and defamation.</quote>The second? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Revelation34 12/24/20 1:53:49 AM #19:	Sarcasthma posted... The second? The 20th. --- Gamertag: Kegfarms, BF code: 2033480226, Treasure Cruise code 318,374,355, Steam: Kegfarms <cite>Revelation34 posted [p:948701142] in Trump pard... [t:79195552]...</cite> <quote>Sarcasthma posted...</cite> <quote> The second? </quote> The 20th.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sarcasthma 12/24/20 1:55:07 AM #20:	Revelation34 posted... The 20th. The 20th? Ohhh... --- What's the difference between a pickpocket and a peeping tom? A pickpocket snatches your watch. <cite>Sarcasthma posted [p:948701156] in Trump pard... [t:79195552]...</cite> <quote>Revelation34 posted... </cite> <quote>The 20th.</quote>The 20th? Ohhh... </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OhhhJa 12/24/20 2:01:51 AM #21:	BlackScythe0 posted... Needless to say time for a constitutional amendment doing away with pardons. Regardless of what you think about this set of pardons, this is overkill. Some adjustments to the system could be made but the idea behind pardons is that they exist to provide a counterbalance to the shortcomings of the judiciary <cite>OhhhJa posted [p:948701278] in Trump pard... [t:79195552]...</cite> <quote>BlackScythe0 posted... </cite> <quote>Needless to say time for a constitutional amendment doing away with pardons.</quote>Regardless of what you think about this set of pardons, this is overkill. Some adjustments to the system could be made but the idea behind pardons is that they exist to provide a counterbalance to the shortcomings of the judiciary </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DiScOrD tHe LuNaTiC 12/24/20 2:18:27 AM #22:	rjsilverthorn posted... We really need some rules around presidential pardon powers. How about POTUS can only give one pardon a month, and it's "use it or lose it", i.e. no saving them up until December and granting 12. --- "This was my birthright. You don't get to take it from me a second time." -- Aloy <cite>DiScOrD tHe LuNaTiC posted [p:948701545] in Trump pard... [t:79195552]...</cite> <quote>rjsilverthorn posted... </cite> <quote>We really need some rules around presidential pardon powers.</quote>How about POTUS can only give one pardon a month, and it's "use it or lose it", i.e. no saving them up until December and granting 12. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OhhhJa 12/24/20 8:42:30 AM #23:	I would say set up some kind of bipartisan committee to review potential pardons before approval but then you would just have dems and repubs stuffing any pardons from presidents from the other side of the aisle <cite>OhhhJa posted [p:948706134] in Trump pard... [t:79195552]...</cite> <quote>I would say set up some kind of bipartisan committee to review potential pardons before approval but then you would just have dems and repubs stuffing any pardons from presidents from the other side of the aisle </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BUMPED2002 12/24/20 9:14:27 AM #24:	That is a total shock! --- SpankageBros <cite>BUMPED2002 posted [p:948706757] in Trump pard... [t:79195552]...</cite> <quote>That is a total shock! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SirPikachu 12/24/20 1:21:53 PM #25:	BADoglick posted... 'Law and order' is a dog whistle for perpetuating systemic racism Lol sure bud --- 3DS FC: 4656 9282 1616 Everyone call me elf monster <cite>SirPikachu posted [p:948713853] in Trump pard... [t:79195552]...</cite> <quote>BADoglick posted... </cite> <quote>'Law and order' is a dog whistle for perpetuating systemic racism</quote>Lol sure bud </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Krazy_Kirby 12/24/20 2:27:56 PM #26:	BADoglick posted... 'Law and order' is a dog whistle for perpetuating systemic racism no, it's a TV show with multiple spin-offs --- Kill From The Shadows. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idiot <cite>Krazy_Kirby posted [p:948715792] in Trump pard... [t:79195552]...</cite> <quote>BADoglick posted...</cite> <quote> 'Law and order' is a dog whistle for perpetuating systemic racism </quote> no, it's a TV show with multiple spin-offs</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
adjl 12/24/20 2:47:53 PM #27:	OhhhJa posted... the idea behind pardons is that they exist to provide a counterbalance to the shortcomings of the judiciary I don't mind the idea of there being some means to overrule the judicial branch when they do something questionable, but if it's going to be left entirely to the unchecked, capricious whims of a single person, it'd probably be better to just use a random number generator. --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts. <cite>adjl posted [p:948716392] in Trump pard... [t:79195552]...</cite> <quote>OhhhJa posted... </cite> <quote>the idea behind pardons is that they exist to provide a counterbalance to the shortcomings of the judiciary</quote> I don't mind the idea of there being some means to overrule the judicial branch when they do something questionable, but if it's going to be left entirely to the unchecked, capricious whims of a single person, it'd probably be better to just use a random number generator. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mead 12/24/20 2:57:41 PM #28:	SirPikachu posted... Lol sure bud He isnt wrong, its been used to convey to voters the dangers of scary ethnic groups from inner cities dating back many decades --- YOU control the numbers of leches. -Sal Vulcano <cite>Mead posted [p:948716694] in Trump pard... [t:79195552]...</cite> <quote>SirPikachu posted... </cite> <quote>Lol sure bud</quote> He isnt wrong, its been used to convey to voters the dangers of scary ethnic groups from inner cities dating back many decades </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Gaawa_chan 12/24/20 3:43:26 PM #29:	Tbh, I think pardoning should be done by a specific group of people assigned solely to that purpose who don't have a party affiliation- none of this governor/president shit- and I do not think that members of the Supreme Court, House, Senate, or the president/vice president should be eligible for pardons. Mead posted... He isnt wrong, its been used to convey to voters the dangers of scary ethnic groups from inner cities dating back many decades Reminds me of a vid I watched the other day. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvDQw11oE20 People who don't recognize how integrated police are with racial oppression could really stand to read up more on history. --- Hi <cite>Gaawa_chan posted [p:948718016] in Trump pard... [t:79195552]...</cite> <quote>Tbh, I think pardoning should be done by a specific group of people assigned solely to that purpose who don't have a party affiliation- none of this governor/president shit- and I do not think that members of the Supreme Court, House, Senate, or the president/vice president should be eligible for pardons. Mead posted... </cite> <quote>He isnt wrong, its been used to convey to voters the dangers of scary ethnic groups from inner cities dating back many decades</quote> Reminds me of a vid I watched the other day. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvDQw11oE20 People who don't recognize how integrated police are with racial oppression could really stand to read up more on history. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BlackScythe0 12/24/20 8:23:08 PM #30:	OhhhJa posted... Regardless of what you think about this set of pardons, this is overkill. Some adjustments to the system could be made but the idea behind pardons is that they exist to provide a counterbalance to the shortcomings of the judiciary Pardons are being used by a criminal to reward his co-conspirators for not selling him out. <cite>BlackScythe0 posted [p:948726283] in Trump pard... [t:79195552]...</cite> <quote>OhhhJa posted... </cite> <quote>Regardless of what you think about this set of pardons, this is overkill. Some adjustments to the system could be made but the idea behind pardons is that they exist to provide a counterbalance to the shortcomings of the judiciary</quote>Pardons are being used by a criminal to reward his co-conspirators for not selling him out. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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