Current Events > So American want free healthcare but don't want to pay TAXES.

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So where the government will get the money to pay all the bills, workers, medicine and other utilities?
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Just print more money. Problem solved.

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Give me free shit but dont you dare raise my taxes is the mindset.

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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=r2TxX0E4U1A

But really more of the people I see worried about the cost and such are those who think it's socialism and don't want it.

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Theres a lot to unpack on that case, and it depends on the level of income/education people have.

It's a lot like the bell curve, but opposite. People in the middle tend to agree that everything should be shared in a fair way, but you still deserve things you genuinely worked for. The other sides are more of the "Give me what I dont have, but I'm not giving you shit".

Look at the poorest of the poor; they want healthcare, food, etc at the expense of others (through giving of their "kind" hearts). Rich want what you have through taxes.

The middle however, tend to help others where they can, and also take what they can as repayment. If taxes were done fairly (by percentage) that would help the poor people, but hurt the rich (who have power). But if he do it based off of general amounts, it hurts the poor and loves the rich. It's not black and white; its grey AF with some spots darker/lighter than others.

To get the real point I'd have to write a whole college essay, but it's not the people; it's the institution(s) that educated these people.

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Not sure why people fail to understand the proposed system.

It's called making the rich pay what they owe.

If they actually pay their taxes, we'll have more taxpayer money. Then we can just readjust our budget (Read: reduce the fucking bloated "defense" budget to $250 billion, still $50 billion more than what China spends, and cut out the contractors so the money actually goes to the actual military.) to pay for things like healthcare. (Which SHOULD be a right and not a privilege.)

You don't have to raise taxes on the middle class to pay for healthcare if you make the rich pay the taxes they've been avoiding for decades. (Also, don't cover self-inflicted shit like smoking, drinking, and obesity or those people will clog up the system.)
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Some Americans.
I don't want universal healthcare because I don't want to pay for other people's problems.

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Im pretty sure most who want it are aware of the implications

What do you gain from constantly shitposting about a country across the globe?

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DocDelicious posted...

Some Americans.
I don't want universal healthcare because I don't want to pay for other people's problems.

You against firefighters and cops too? That's what tax money goes toward as well.

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Endgame posted...

Not sure why people fail to understand the proposed system.

It's called making the rich pay what they owe.

If they actually pay their taxes, we'll have more taxpayer money. Then we can just readjust our budget (Read: reduce the fucking bloated "defense" budget to $250 billion, still $50 billion more than what China spends, and cut out the contractors so the money actually goes to the actual military.) to pay for things like healthcare. (Which SHOULD be a right and not a privilege.)

You don't have to raise taxes on the middle class to pay for healthcare if you make the rich pay the taxes they've been avoiding for decades. (Also, don't cover self-inflicted shit like smoking, drinking, and obesity or those people will clog up the system.)

Yeah they need to cut the "middle man" that make the cost high in defense budget and stop giving money to other countries.

Other countries should be able to handled thier own problem that why they declare independence right?

Like examples I don't understand why uk still need to pay to ex colonies country when there already independent
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Southernfatman posted...

DocDelicious posted...

Some Americans.
I don't want universal healthcare because I don't want to pay for other people's problems.

You against firefighters and cops too? That's what tax money goes toward as well.

Got'em.
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Southernfatman posted...

You against firefighters and cops too? That's what tax money goes toward as well.

Can't compare that because those are funded locally, not federally.
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I want to know where my taxes truly go to, dey should make a receipt or something
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voldothegr8 posted...

Can't compare that because those are funded locally, not federally.

I can and I did. It's still "paying for other people's problems".

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voldothegr8 posted...

Can't compare that because those are funded locally, not federally.

Someone has never heard of a state tax before.

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DocDelicious posted...

Some Americans.
I don't want universal healthcare because I don't want to pay for other people's problems.

So, you have zero insurance of any kind then. I mean, that is exactly how insurance works.

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Southernfatman posted...

You against firefighters and cops too? That's what tax money goes toward as well.

In a way, yes.
I don't think cops should be called on for non-violent crimes, citation quotas should not be a thing, and patrols done only in the interest of safety (meaning they're there as a passive presence until a violent crime is committed).

I also believe firefighters should only be called on to respond to fires, specifically. No more fire trucks showing up because the old lady down the street had a heart attack, that shit is a waste of money.

loafy013 posted...

So, you have zero insurance of any kind then. I mean, that is exactly how insurance works.

I have the bare minimum coverage required to be able to say that I'm "legally" insured.

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DocDelicious posted...

In a way, yes.
I don't think cops should be called on for non-violent crimes, citation quotas should not be a thing, and patrols done only in the interest of safety (meaning they're there as a passive presence until a violent crime is committed).

I also believe firefighters should only be called on to respond to fires, specifically. No more fire trucks showing up because the old lady down the street had a heart attack, that shit is a waste of money.

I have the bare minimum coverage required to be able to say that I'm "legally" insured.

You do realize theyre called first responders for a reason right? So if that old lady is having a heart attack the fire fighters and cops can do CPR or carry AEDs to use.

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DocDelicious posted...

Some Americans.
I don't want universal healthcare because I don't want to pay for other people's problems.

People without insurance get sicker than people with insurance because they dont regularly see doctors. They end up going to hospitals and requiring alot of resources. Hospitals basically have to eat up those large medical bills because these people can never afford all that. That makes everyones costs go up.

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Defund NASA and the Armed Forces Army/Navy/Air Force

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Land use tax. 0% income tax below 500k annually, keep capital gains tax.

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DocDelicious posted...

Some Americans.
I don't want universal healthcare because I don't want to pay for other people's problems.

How do you think insurance works you fucking dope

The ones who cry about taxes are against universal health care. They also cry about taxes being raised in a tax bracket theyll never be in.

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VipaGTS posted...

The ones who cry about taxes are against universal health care. They also cry about taxes being raised in a tax bracket theyll never be in.

Maybe, but higher taxes does mean companies crank down on labor and it becomes harder for people all around to find work.
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voldothegr8 posted...

Maybe, but higher taxes does mean companies crank down on labor and it becomes harder for people all around to find work.

Its already difficult to find work and those billionaires crank down. Trickle down hasnt worked since its inception. There are ways around those issues. The problem is these people keep voting against their interest and vote to help the billionaires maintain this control.

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uwnim posted...

Land use tax. 0% income tax below 500k annually, keep capital gains tax.

This is en example of what I was saying; depending on where you sit, your opinions change; that weird bell curve.

I'm poor, but I still believe if my neighbor has a hea rt attack I should help; some how.

Taxes should be based off percentage (honestly, 2% would be fine if the rich also paid 2% of their total yearly income~looking at you Jeff Bezos). The system is designed by the rich to keep them rich though; look at ANY industry for Verification. We've let families run the lives of others outside their families for far to long.

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We already pay heavy taxes

DocDelicious posted...

Some Americans.
I don't want universal healthcare because I don't want to pay for other people's problems.

Do you, do you not realize how private insurance works?

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SolidShadow3 posted...

This is en example of what I was saying; depending on where you sit, your opinions change; that weird bell curve.

I'm poor, but I still believe if my neighbor has a hea rt attack I should help; some how.

Taxes should be based off percentage (honestly, 2% would be fine if the rich also paid 2% of their total yearly income~looking at you Jeff Bezos). The system is designed by the rich to keep them rich though; look at ANY industry for Verification. We've let families run the lives of others outside their families for far to long.

Not really sure what you are talking about, tbh.

Anyways, land taxes tend to cause the least economic harm out of tax types due to land use not being something that can really be changed effectively. The income tax Im fully willing to negotiate on. Thought to leave it in for really high incomes so they can have fun going through deductions and whatnot.

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Everybody want something for nothing and politicians are more than happy to promise horseshit they know they can't deliver for political cashet

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Cashet

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Rebel coming through with nothing to really add as usual

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I'd be happy to have universal healthcare provided by the government, and I'd be happy to raise taxes to cover it. I also think some budget readjusting could be done, and taxes could be better levied on the wealthy, and such to reduce the tax load on the average American.

But even if I had to pay a couple grand more each year in taxes to cover this, I'd still come out ahead since I'm already paying that much for the health insurance I have through work, which would go away. So that makes it a bit easier to handle.

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I've seen some brilliant minds (trumpers) say that NATO nations should pay for it since the US military is always "bailing them out"

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Imagine the budgets America could for education and healthcare have if the rich and big corporations was forced to pay taxes on the same percentage levels as the poor.

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Seitar posted...

Imagine the budgets America could for education

We already pay twice as much as other countries and get half the results

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America should stop wasting the taxes money that America people pay for their own life,live and safety.

And stop sending money to help those countries that you know will never be peace and helpful to your own country and people

https://howmuch.net/articles/usa-foreign-aid-by-country
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John_Galt posted...

We already pay twice as much as other countries and get half the results

Lol, what? We put jack fuck into education; what we put into "schools" generally goes towards the education board, not the education itself.

America puts almost nothing into education; unless you have another reason teachers are buying their own supplies and books for students?

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St0rmFury posted...

Got'em.

No, not necessarily.

A lot of people dont want cops anyway, but for arguments sake a person could pay a fee for services rendered by cops, medical teams or whatever. YMMV with costs, but it would be affected by whomever else is using the services. Ive heard of local fire departments operating like this, to some degree.

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Seitar posted...

Imagine the budgets America could have for education and healthcare if the rich and big corporations was forced to pay taxes on the same percentage levels as the poor.

The top earners pay way more than "their fair share" as they should.

Saying you want corporations to pay higher taxes is basically saying you want everyone to pay more taxes through the form of inflation.

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I'm willing to pay my fair share of taxes for that stuff.

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Most people don't know anything about taxes

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The main problem with the American healthcare system is that everything is just so out of price. If they fixed the cost of all medical expenses, people wouldn't be complaining. You shouldn't be going broke just taking an ambulance ride to the hospital.

Southernfatman posted...

You against firefighters and cops too? That's what tax money goes toward as well.

The difference is, we acknowledge scaecity of those services, and are educated from childhood to try and minimize and prevent the need for those services because "if the fire department is wasting their time with you, someone's home may burn down". People wanting universal health care expect no limits or responsibilities, and don't get even countries with it may have a list of things not covered.

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Ivany2008 posted...

The main problem with the American healthcare system is that everything is just so out of price. If they fixed the cost of all medical expenses, people wouldn't be complaining. You shouldn't be going broke just taking an ambulance ride to the hospital.

The public/private clusterfuck we've duct-taped together is such a bloated mess of middlemen and mystery that going fully-public would actually cost less.
https://thehill.com/blogs/congress-blog/healthcare/484301-22-studies-agree-medicare-for-all-saves-money

Of course, it would probably suck, and a private "concierge" luxury-care system would inevitably emerge alongside, but we're looking at a rough net savings of a couple trillion dollars over a decade.

Aki_Sora posted...

Like examples I don't understand why uk still need to pay to ex colonies country when there already independent

what lol ex colonies pay (or, rather, are robbed by) the global North, not the other way around

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Aki_Sora posted...

America should stop wasting the taxes money that America people pay for their own life,live and safety.

And stop sending money to help those countries that you know will never be peace and helpful to your own country and people

https://howmuch.net/articles/usa-foreign-aid-by-country

Were not losing anything in that arrangement. We take far more from those countries than we give in foreign aid.

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Most people don't pay anything in taxes. Those are the ones overwhelmingly asking for "free" healthcare.

flamedearflame posted...

Most people don't pay anything in taxes. Those are the ones overwhelmingly asking for "free" healthcare.

Plenty of them post here and think they pay more taxes than people making 7 figures, lol

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