Current Events > So American want free healthcare but don't want to pay TAXES.

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DocDelicious posted...

Some Americans.
I don't want universal healthcare because I don't want to pay for other people's problems.

So you're completely ignorant of how insurance in general works then. Gotcha.

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Solid Snake07 posted...

The top earners pay way more than "their fair share" as they should.

Saying you want corporations to pay higher taxes is basically saying you want everyone to pay more taxes through the form of inflation.

I mean when the president allegedly only paid $750 in income tax I wouldn't call that "fair share" and he is clearly not an isolated case.

I don't want corporations to pay higher taxes, I want them to pay their income tax and not be able to use loop holes to avoid doing so.

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flamedearflame posted...

Most people don't pay anything in taxes. Those are the ones overwhelmingly asking for "free" healthcare.

The vast majority of people pay taxes that finance our current Medicare system, actually

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People would rather spend $100 on a Gofundme than see their taxes increase by $100 to help everyone. Its very odd

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Big corporations like Amazon and Google paying low taxes or sometimes virtually no taxes is a problem. Cut spending in other areas would help too. The US shouldn't be spending 5x more on the military than China and more than 10x other major countries in the world.

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Seitar posted...

I mean when the president allegedly only paid $750 in income tax I wouldn't call that "fair share" and he is clearly not an isolated case.

I don't want corporations to pay higher taxes, I want them to pay their income tax and not be able to use loop holes to avoid doing so.

The top 1% of earners pay about 40% of all income taxes. The bottom 90% of earners pay about 30% of all taxes. The notion that the rich don't pay more in taxes is just a straight up lie.

And however you want to frame it, taxes that a corporation pays is just an added cost of production. Added costs of production are always passed onto the consumer. It's essentially a sales tax, which is a flat tax that favors the rich

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Nu_Titan posted...

Big corporations like Amazon and Google paying low taxes or sometimes virtually no taxes is a problem. Cut spending in other areas would help too. The US shouldn't be spending 5x more on the military than China and more than 10x other major countries in the world.

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But remember, if you ever try to raise taxes even slightly on them, they'll run away to other countries!!!!!

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Americans back the blue but don't want to pay taxes

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https://i.redd.it/m25ggjit5e161.jpg

Americans already pay over twice per person in taxes than someone from the UK. Nearly $12k per person, per year is spent on healthcare by the US govt, yet 90m people either have no, or incomplete access to it.

You already pay more than enough in taxes, the problem is that your system is insanely corrupt and broken.

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Trump paid nothing in taxes. But he claims he is worth billions.

If he didn't lie about his worth and paid his fair share, that eould support hundreds of people's healthcare.

Balrog0 posted...

The vast majority of people pay taxes that finance our current Medicare system, actually

Umm, no. They don't.

SRR Capdown posted...

https://i.redd.it/m25ggjit5e161.jpg

Americans already pay over twice per person in taxes than someone from the UK. Nearly $12k per person, per year is spent on healthcare by the US govt, yet 90m people either have no, or incomplete access to it.

You already pay more than enough in taxes, the problem is that your system is insanely corrupt and broken.

Man I didn't know that

America government and system really fuck up and it to late to fix it without restart everything
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SRR Capdown posted...

https://i.redd.it/m25ggjit5e161.jpg

Americans already pay over twice per person in taxes than someone from the UK. Nearly $12k per person, per year is spent on healthcare by the US govt, yet 90m people either have no, or incomplete access to it.

You already pay more than enough in taxes, the problem is that your system is insanely corrupt and broken.

That's because a lot of our spending specifically isn't in the public sector. So we aren't paying for all of that out of taxes, this includes private sector spending (premiums and deductibles for example)

The reason Medicare for all brings this total down is that it gives the insurance company the ability to negotiate rates down. But to do that, you need to capture all of that private spending through taxes. Which means higher taxes overall, though people who pay a lot for health care would be net winners and those who use a little are the 'losers'

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flamedearflame posted...

Umm, no. They don't.

They're called payroll taxes. Yes. They do.

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The top 1% of earners pay about 40% of all income taxes. The bottom 90% of earners pay about 30% of all taxes. The notion that the rich don't pay more in taxes is just a straight up lie.

And however you want to frame it, taxes that a corporation pays is just an added cost of production. Added costs of production are always passed onto the consumer. It's essentially a sales tax, which is a flat tax that favors the rich

They pay more in amount yes but the percentage of the income they pay are not comparable to what middle or lower class pay.

Prices might increase if there's a cartel going on, but there will always be price wars keeping prices low nonetheless so it's a moot point or at best a slippery slope argument. We've seen this in Europe with corporations over there in similar situations.

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The healthy Americans that hardly ever get sick don't want free healthcare or to pay taxes. The obese Americans that go to the doctor once a week are the ones that want to have their cake and eat it too.

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Seitar posted...

They pay more in amount yes but the percentage of the income they pay are not comparable to what middle or lower class pay.

They pay more as a percent of their income in taxes, both overall and especially specifically in income taxes

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I don't care about high taxes tbh as long as salaries are high.

America has some of the highest salaries in the world, in general and especially for skilled positions. There are a ton of countries with more welfare and social nets, etc. than America's whose median income is a lot less.

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Damn_Underscore posted...

I don't care about high taxes tbh as long as salaries are high.

America has some of the highest salaries in the world, in general and especially for skilled positions. There are a ton of countries with more welfare and social nets, etc. than America's whose median income is a lot less.

Well presumably salaries would go up if business wasn't paying all these health care costs for their employees but I'm not holding my breath on that one

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Balrog0 posted...

They're called payroll taxes. Yes. They do.

Most people do not contribute much of anything to the system they take from.

flamedearflame posted...

Most people do not contribute much of anything to the system they take from.

You can keep doubling down on your truisms or you can educate yourself. It's true that a large share of Americans have no income tax burden, but when all federal taxes are included, even the bottom 20 percent have a positive tax burden after including transfers. That's because they pay payroll taxes.

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stoltenberg11 posted...

The healthy Americans that hardly ever get sick don't want free healthcare or to pay taxes. The obese Americans that go to the doctor once a week are the ones that want to have their cake and eat it too.

So healthy Americans are also against the concept of insurance? Ideally, no one would ever need to insure anything, but the world is not perfect. Everyone that pays in is paying for everyone that makes a claim.

Should public services be opt-out as well? You shouldn't pay for roads if you don't drive on them? Shouldn't pay for firefighters if you don't plan on your house burning down? Either everyone pays for everything or no one gets any of it.

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Seitar posted...

They pay more in amount yes but the percentage of the income they pay are not comparable to what middle or lower class pay.

It's actually very easily comparable. They pay both a higher percentage of their income and a higher overall volume.

Seitar posted...

Prices might increase if there's a cartel going on, but there will always be price wars keeping prices low nonetheless so it's a moot point or at best a slippery slope argument. We've seen this in Europe with corporations over there in similar situations.

Guy....this isn't rocket science. If something costs more for producers to produce it's gonna cost more for consumers to consume

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stoltenberg11 posted...

The healthy Americans that hardly ever get sick don't want free healthcare or to pay taxes. The obese Americans that go to the doctor once a week are the ones that want to have their cake and eat it too.

Next thing you know, they'll take your tax money to pay for schools and roads and medicare, even though you don't have kids or drive or are not guaranteed to live long enough to receive medicare, that's socialism for you, it sucks.

Solid Snake07 posted...

Guy....this isn't rocket science. If something costs more for producers to produce it's gonna cost more for consumers to consume

"Big Macs will be $30 if minimum wage gets raised!"

Companies don't need to be allowed to price gouge just because they're making slightly less millions in profit in exchange for giving Americans better standards of living.


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hockeybub89 posted...

"Big Macs will be $30 if minimum wage gets raised!"

Companies don't need to be allowed to price gouge just because they're making slightly less millions in profit in exchange for giving Americans better standards of living.

No, mcdonalds will just hire less people and be way more incentivized to move over to automation

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Solid Snake07 posted...

No, mcdonalds will just hire less people and be way more incentivized to move over to automation

Well shit then I guess we can't pay people more money or give them all healthcare. Just need to tongue the buttholes of big business or make our own multimillion companies.

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hockeybub89 posted...

Well shit then I guess we can't pay people more money or give them all healthcare. Just need to tongue the buttholes of big business or make our own multimillion companies.

Pretty funny how all the big government types don't see the irony in their bootlicker narrative

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Solid Snake07 posted...

Pretty funny how all the big government types don't see the irony in their bootlicker narrative

Conservatives shouldn't be bootlickers because their anti-government stance should motivate them to defund the police along with every other tax-funded service.

Anyway, I support almost no one in the government, but we don't need anarchy. That's stupid and anti-society. I think the government should be licking our boots.

Society is impossible without government and taxes. If people really want to be selfish, then they should want the government to help as many people as possible.

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Solid Snake07 posted...

No, mcdonalds will just hire less people and be way more incentivized to move over to automation

Weird. That is happening anyway without a change in taxes they pay or a minimum wage increase.

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John_Galt posted...

We already pay twice as much as other countries and get half the results

Case in point:

Solid Snake07 posted...

cashet

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Time for "Q's shitty hot take of the day"

Eliminate "capital gains" as a concept. Tax it as regular income.
Eliminate payroll taxes. Just roll its half-assed idealistic attempts at "mandatory savings" into regular income tax.
Eliminate corporate income tax. It just gets passed on to the consumer anyway, and the bulk of it would be recovered by ending that capital gains sweetheart deal. Also companies hoarding cash would be vastly less likely to collapse and beg for a bailout when the economy goes bad.

I think the current system really isn't stable anymore.

Too many wrenches been thrown into the works over the years.

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SaltyWet posted...

Case in point:

"Even though he's right and I don't like it, I don't have a real counter arguement......I'll just make fun of his spelling"

Gotta love small victories

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hockeybub89 posted...

So healthy Americans are also against the concept of insurance? Ideally, no one would ever need to insure anything, but the world is not perfect. Everyone that pays in is paying for everyone that makes a claim.

Should public services be opt-out as well? You shouldn't pay for roads if you don't drive on them? Shouldn't pay for firefighters if you don't plan on your house burning down? Either everyone pays for everything or no one gets any of it.

Hey I didn't say those were my opinions. Just opinions from people I've talked to about it. I do think America as a whole needs to be a healthier country though

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Solid Snake07 posted...

"Even though he's right and I don't like it, I don't have a real counter arguement......I'll just make fun of his spelling"

Gotta love small victories

I was just teasin

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