Board 8 > Anyone playing Final Fantasy XIV?

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UshiromiyaEva posted...

Oh yeah I've def been doing those, except for the subjob ones. I know I have to hit 30 in Thuma before unlocking Black Mage and subsequent White Mage, and I don't think I have a reason to do any of the other class starting quests or all these dozens of level 1-3 quests in the new area.

I mean more if I should be doing those green circle quests where you activate it yourself (forgot the name, Leves?) or if I should be queuing for stuff.

thaumaturge is to black mage what conjurer is to white mage. so you have to unlock conjurer to get white mage. which is done in gridania.

I am not liking these 15 minute waits for these main story mission Duties <_<

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it's 0 minute wait if you're on healer, maybe 4-5 minutes if tank!

Yeah, it's definitely a pain. Usually I save up side quests so I can do them during waits for story duties.
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Jandelaine is the most powerful character in the game I assume?

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Yeah if you're queueing as DPS you generally either want to just get people to do it with you from your Free Company if available or do other things while you're waiting lol.

Honestly the queues are better now than they used to be though. ARR/HW queues would be like 30+ minutes for DPS on the regular.

Am I doing something odd here that's causing me to be level 29 and only now hitting the level 20 story mission, or is that par for the course?

Also...is there a reason to make a new character way down the line for my other roles, or does it not really matter other than aesthetics? It doesn't appear to me that there's anything inherently stopping me from making this dragon race into a samurai eventually and just swapping back and forth, though if the different starting zones or races had unique main quests I would want to try those out.

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You can use one character to play every class if you want with no consequence other than filling up your armory with different gear sets.

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Yeah, speaking of which, I have had ZERO interaction with shops or even my own inventory other than that quest where I had to buy a Hi Potion. I guess I should sell some of this old stuff....but not stuff I may want to make into glamor, I think?

I need to do a deep dive on explanations for these systems. I find it difficult to keep track of this many things going on, but I guess this will help me get better at that in the end.

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Most old gear, especially at your level, can be sold off yeah. If you get something you like the look of, hang onto it for glamour reasons yeah, but otherwise feel free to dump it.

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They did a rework of the leveling so that the main quests give more XP. You'll fall behind twice in the 40s, still, but before there was a lot more grinding.

It's better to play other classes on the same character for the most part since you get more XP.
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Making a second character is actively detrimental, since you'd basically have to re-do the entire main quest, unlock everything a second time, etc. You're meant to use only one, really. The only different quests are the ones for the starting cities - there's nothing unique to race.

I will say it's actually been a little wierd not seeing a single character of my race outside the Golden Saucer, but I know these dudes weren't around during Realm Reborn.

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I think it's way worse if you're a Viera or Hrothgar. They take a WHILE to appear, at all.

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UshiromiyaEva posted...
Yeah, speaking of which, I have had ZERO interaction with shops or even my own inventory other than that quest where I had to buy a Hi Potion. I guess I should sell some of this old stuff....but not stuff I may want to make into glamor, I think?

I need to do a deep dive on explanations for these systems. I find it difficult to keep track of this many things going on, but I guess this will help me get better at that in the end.

For stuff you might want to use for glamour, you can put it in the dresser.

First unlock glam at a quest in Vesper Bay. Then obtain some glamour prisms (if you aren't on the trial you can grab some off the market board). Then go to an inn room at any of the adventuring guilds and you can start shoving stuff in the dresser.

I would also suggest holding on to any dungeon drops (green and purple gear) because you will eventually unlock the ability to trade those in for rewards. But it takes a while to work up to so if it's clogging up your inventory just dump em.

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Is it an issue if I already equipped them? Something about gear getting linked to you?

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UshiromiyaEva posted...

Is it an issue if I already equipped them? Something about gear getting linked to you?

That only means you can't trade or sell it to another player. If something is bound to you you can use it however you want, you just can't give it to another player.

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You can still sell it to NPCs for chump change

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The item-bound subsystem is one of those you can ignore entirely and get through the game fine, honestly. There's some minor benefits but don't stress over it.

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Just did a dungeon where the boss fight was over before the cutscenes ended <_<

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Yeah it sucks when tanks dont wait for people to watch cutscenes (though most will)

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UshiromiyaEva posted...

Just did a dungeon where the boss fight was over before the cutscenes ended <_<

Toto-rak?

Yeah they used to put long-ass cutscenes mid-dungeon for some reason. And as you can see the other players basically ignore them now which leads to that. They stop putting those scenes in once the base game ends

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HeroDelTiempo17 posted...

Toto-rak?

Yup.

Guess it's common enough that you know off the top of your head lol.

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Yeah sadly that happens from time to time

It doesn't help that particular dungeon is notoriously not looked favorably upon so people that get it in roulette just want to get it over with asap.

Most people will wait, though, in my experience. Just got unlucky.

That I def get, it was the only dungeon so far that I was like....this kinda sucks.

So this is a while away, since I know(?) it's best to level your initial class super high before other to increase the experience bonus on the lower class, but what would be the easiest classes to pick up for the other roles once I max out Black Mage and Red Mage? Obviously White Mage is gonna be the highest priority healer to level since I know(?) that ties in to abilities Red Mage can use as well, but for tank, physical DPS, and physical ranged DPS I'm completely undetermined so far.

And now I'm REALLY getting ahead of myself, but how does Red Mage's role get determined in roll queue?

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UshiromiyaEva posted...

Obviously White Mage is gonna be the highest priority healer to level since I know(?) that ties in to abilities Red Mage can use as well, but for tank, physical DPS, and physical ranged DPS I'm completely undetermined so far.

No, all classes only have to level themselves up for their own abilities now. It used to be this way but you might be working on old info. You can level up whatever you're interested in independently.

Also IIRC the exp bonus doesn't care about how high your main job is, just that it's higher, and then applies an even bonus to everything under it. What I would reccomend is to do the story on your main and do your leveling roulette on other classes, and then when your main gets to around 50 or so hopefully you will be able to continue doing the main story quests on a different class. You will approach this somewhat naturally though and I wouldn't worry about it too much.

UshiromiyaEva posted...

And now I'm REALLY getting ahead of myself, but how does Red Mage's role get determined in roll queue?

It's a pure DPS, with two healing abilities: a (bad) cure and a (good) raise. Same as Summoner. This game is super streamlined for balance purposes, it doesn't actually do hybrid roles.

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The cure isn't bad on Red Mage. It's quite potent. It's not really the same as Summoner because Summoner's heal doesn't scale while Red Mage's does, so Summoner's heal actually IS bad. I would compare it more to Paladin's heal.

You just generally don't want to cast it unless things are going to absolute hell because your job is to DPS (or to pre-set up dualcasts when there are no targets, but yeah)

Right, but it's easier to say that's it's bad then throw out all these technically okay with all these qualifications on it because the bottom line is that you should not be approaching Red Mage with the mindset that you are actually supposed to use Vercure for healing. And that's a pretty common misconception!

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Gotcha. Been watching a few videos that talked about how useful the instacast was for raise and heal, but I didn't realize those were the only two heal abilities.

Also WOW, so my info about subclasses is totally out of date, huh? There was a whole thing I read in a Reddit post about making sure to get Black Mage and White Mage up to swap between them as a subclass for Red Mage, but IIRC that was a few years old.

I should probably just go do all those class unlock quests now so I can get them out of the way, I suppose. Also didn't know about leveling roulettrle, will need to look into that <_<. I think I saw it once and misread it for Leve roullete.

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I don't agree with that because emergency healing is part of the job but okay

tcaz2 posted...

I don't agree with that because emergency healing is part of the job but okay

Raising is, just not single target cures.

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I strongly advise against picking Gunbreaker for your first tank. I know the allure of starting at level 60 is very strong, but the problem with that is you can skip all the early game low-level dungeons and jump straight into more advanced content where your group members will expect you to know how to tank. If you've never tanked in FF14 before and especially if you've never tanked in an MMO before that's a recipe for headaches all around.

Paladin, Warrior, and Dark Knight are all fine for a first tank (DRK starts at 30 but you still have to go through a good portion of early-game stuff before getting to expansion content). All of them are equally viable and equally "fun" at low levels; pick whichever looks coolest to you.

This warning doesn't apply to other DPS - in general there's much less to learn on DPS than on tank/healer, so skipping early levels really only means you need to spend a few more minutes looking at your tooltips and learning how things fit together. Samurai and Dancer are fine to start with, for example.

UshiromiyaEva posted...

Also WOW, so my info about subclasses is totally out of date, huh? There was a whole thing I read in a Reddit post about making sure to get Black Mage and White Mage up to swap between them as a subclass for Red Mage, but IIRC that was a few years old.

Any information you find regarding jobs dated before July 2019 is out of date and does not apply to the current game.

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Not_an_Owl posted...

If you've never tanked in FF14 before and especially if you've never tanked in an MMO before that's a recipe for headaches all around.

I've never even PLAYED an MMO before, lol. I just straight up don't play PC games and no other MMO of note has had an even remotely viable console version. I did try DCU online for a bit, but never actually put any effort into it, just wanted to make a character really.

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If you want to pick up a tank, play Dark Knight. In fact, if you don't want to play tank, level up Dark Knight anyway, as its class storyline is in the top 1% of writing in the game. It's a crime that it isn't mandatory.

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Ah, I see you are a man of culture as well

Have you set up multiple hotbars? As a fair warning, after learning all your abilities you're not going to come close to being able to fit everything you want onto just that one

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They really need to make people level another tank to 60 before picking up GNB

I just healed Wanderer's Palace (Hard) with a tank I'm pretty certain had never tanked a dungeon before, and let me say that it was super fun having them single target one trash mob per pack and keep the last boss in the same place for the whole fight even after being told what to do differently multiple times

Looking forward to a similar experience with fresh Sages in 6.0...!

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Imagine playing roles where you dont just nuke everything

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KamikazePotato posted...

If you want to pick up a tank, play Dark Knight. In fact, if you don't want to play tank, level up Dark Knight anyway, as its class storyline is in the top 1% of writing in the game. It's a crime that it isn't mandatory.

If I ever played my plan was to be a Dark Knight

at the very least I did re-install it on my PS5 in case I ever do

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Ive been thinking of picking up Warrior myself. Im a little nervous about being a tank though, I feel like its assumed you know all the dungeons and bosses like the back of your hand when youre the tank and uh, I dont know them that well even though I have a couple level 80 jobs

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KamikazePotato posted...

Ah, I see you are a man of culture as well

Have you set up multiple hotbars? As a fair warning, after learning all your abilities you're not going to come close to being able to fit everything you want onto just that one

Not yet, but I'm already feeling the burn. I haven't even gotten myself into the mental habit of using L2 yet. It doesn't help that all those secondary black mage abilities are very similarly colored silhouettes of front facing dudes <_<

I also need to get used to using the D-pad for targeting enemies, which I haven't been using. I haven't been a healer in a party so not sure, but does up and down swap between ally targeting versus left and right being enemies?

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GANON1025 posted...

Ive been thinking of picking up Warrior myself. Im a little nervous about being a tank though, I feel like its assumed you know all the dungeons and bosses like the back of your hand when youre the tank and uh, I dont know them that well even though I have a couple level 80 jobs

Just tell everyone "new to tanking" and people will get it. That's how I was leveling Paladin and it went smoothly.

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GANON1025 posted...

Ive been thinking of picking up Warrior myself. Im a little nervous about being a tank though, I feel like its assumed you know all the dungeons and bosses like the back of your hand when youre the tank and uh, I dont know them that well even though I have a couple level 80 jobs

1. If there's more than 1 enemy, use your AoE.
2. If you've pulled more than 1 pack, use a defensive cooldown. Reprisal and Arm's Length count as cooldowns.
3. If someone in the party rips threat on a mob somehow, use Provoke or Tomahawk.
4. Keep the boss pointed away from the party.
5. If the boss uses an attack that drops your HP by a lot, use a defensive cooldown the next time they use that attack. (Arm's Length doesn't work in this situation; Reprisal is best combined with something else.)

Congratulations, you now know the basics of how to tank. People play it up in their heads as this big responsibility and really it's the easiest of the three roles to play once you know the basics. Hit the bad guys, make sure they're hitting you and no one else, don't die. Simple.

If you're worried about navigating dungeons, once you hit Heavensward content all the side routes in dungeons disappear and it becomes impossible to get lost. Walk forward, kill enemies, kill boss, repeat until victory fanfare plays.

Also yeah, a quick "Hi I'm new" in party chat when you zone in goes a long way.

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To add a #6: Don't pop more than one cooldown at once, especially on a big pull. Better to have a somewhat lower mitigation last the entire pull than a larger mitigation for a short time immediately followed by getting clobbered.

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You guys know about Hall of the Novice, right? It's legitimately a good tanking tutorial. The rest you can learn with experience by popping into low-level dungeons, which you are already doing if you're leveling anything except Gunbreaker.

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Not_an_Owl posted...

If you're worried about navigating dungeons, once you hit Heavensward content all the side routes in dungeons disappear and it becomes impossible to get lost.

Oh god yes

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Oh, thanks for reminding me about Hall of Novice. I did it with my THM but probably would have forgotten to do it with the other roles. You get very good gear for the level when you do that, too. Took a while before it was replaced.


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UshiromiyaEva posted...

Not yet, but I'm already feeling the burn. I haven't even gotten myself into the mental habit of using L2 yet. It doesn't help that all those secondary black mage abilities are very similarly colored silhouettes of front facing dudes <_<

Yeah I strongly recommend getting yourself used to the idea of multiple hotbars and using L2. The sooner you start training your muscle memory, the better.

The basic way I do it as a controller player is two hotbars for combat abilities, and a separate hotbar for non-combat commands like Teleport. You can set it up so that you automatically switch between the combat hotbar and the non-combat hotbar by drawing/sheathing your weapon.

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I saw a video about that but couldn't find it in the settings. The video showed where he was going in the menu but I wasn't getting the same results.

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Well here's one tip for you, now that you have Freeze, Fire 2 is completely useless unless you're synced down, so you can take that off your bar unless you're doing leveling roulette. Above level 35 you will never use that skill again.

Congrats on your new AOE rotation which is (thunder 2) -> Freeze -> Freeze -> Freeze -> Freeze -> etc.

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