Poll of the Day > It's shocking to me that people still don't know the real history of Christopher

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Jen0125 10/13/20 6:19:09 PM #1:	Columbus. And they really go to bat for him to continue to have a holiday. --- https://imgur.com/4ihiyS2 "I am not gay! Can't you get that through your head? I am very much aroused at the site of a naked woman!" - Dan0429 <cite>Jen0125 posted [p:945818515] in It's shock... [t:79038465]...</cite> <quote>Columbus. And they really go to bat for him to continue to have a holiday. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
supergamer19 10/13/20 6:22:32 PM #2:	Growing up, all the western Europeans round here would always claim he was really their nationality. Italians, Spanish, Portuguese, etc. How times have changed. --- I love the Power Glove. It's so bad --- PSN & Wii U: BrunyBrunz Nintendo Switch: SW-7367-4887-2583 <cite>supergamer19 posted [p:945818632] in It's shock... [t:79038465]...</cite> <quote>Growing up, all the western Europeans round here would always claim he was really their nationality. Italians, Spanish, Portuguese, etc. How times have changed. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Wanded 10/13/20 6:26:02 PM #3:	leftist history revision incoming --- Puss in Boots was a good movie and it deserves more recognition <cite>Wanded posted [p:945818743] in It's shock... [t:79038465]...</cite> <quote>leftist history revision incoming </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jen0125 10/13/20 6:31:36 PM #4:	Wanded posted... leftist history revision incoming Are facts leftist to you? --- https://imgur.com/4ihiyS2 "I am not gay! Can't you get that through your head? I am very much aroused at the site of a naked woman!" - Dan0429 <cite>Jen0125 posted [p:945818926] in It's shock... [t:79038465]...</cite> <quote>Wanded posted... </cite> <quote>leftist history revision incoming</quote> Are facts leftist to you? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
shadowsword87 10/13/20 6:31:51 PM #5:	Wanded posted... leftist history revision incoming It's not revisionist history to say "he did bad things too". It's pointing out different things, it's not being made up or anything. How you feel about it is a you thing, not a history thing. --- ImmortalityV, "I would like to kiss Icoyar to be honest in a non gay way though" <cite>shadowsword87 posted [p:945818932] in It's shock... [t:79038465]...</cite> <quote>Wanded posted... </cite> <quote>leftist history revision incoming</quote> It's not revisionist history to say "he did bad things too". It's pointing out different things, it's not being made up or anything. How you feel about it is a you thing, not a history thing. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
shadowsword87 10/13/20 6:36:52 PM #6:	You know what is a revisionist history thing though? Claiming the civil war is about state rights, and not about slavery. Read the damn deceleration of war from the confederacy. --- ImmortalityV, "I would like to kiss Icoyar to be honest in a non gay way though" <cite>shadowsword87 posted [p:945819105] in It's shock... [t:79038465]...</cite> <quote>You know what is a revisionist history thing though? Claiming the civil war is about state rights, and not about slavery. Read the damn deceleration of war from the confederacy. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Wanded 10/13/20 6:37:53 PM #7:	shadowsword87 posted... It's not revisionist history to say "he did bad things too". It's pointing out different things, it's not being made up or anything. How you feel about it is a you thing, not a history thing. what are all the bad things he did? Jen0125 posted... Are facts leftist to you? lets hear them --- Puss in Boots was a good movie and it deserves more recognition <cite>Wanded posted [p:945819144] in It's shock... [t:79038465]...</cite> <quote>shadowsword87 posted... </cite> <quote>It's not revisionist history to say "he did bad things too". It's pointing out different things, it's not being made up or anything. How you feel about it is a you thing, not a history thing.</quote>what are all the bad things he did? Jen0125 posted... </cite> <quote>Are facts leftist to you?</quote>lets hear them </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
shadowsword87 10/13/20 6:39:26 PM #8:	Wanded posted... what are all the bad things he did? He took people, put them in cages, and then paraded them around Europe until they died, while talking about the new world. --- ImmortalityV, "I would like to kiss Icoyar to be honest in a non gay way though" <cite>shadowsword87 posted [p:945819206] in It's shock... [t:79038465]...</cite> <quote>Wanded posted... </cite> <quote>what are all the bad things he did?</quote> He took people, put them in cages, and then paraded them around Europe until they died, while talking about the new world. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GunslingerGunsl 10/13/20 6:40:58 PM #9:	Wanded posted... what are all the bad things he did? lets hear them I could already tell that any response to this would be pointless. lol. You already have your mind made up. <cite>GunslingerGunsl posted [p:945819269] in It's shock... [t:79038465]...</cite> <quote>Wanded posted... </cite> <quote>what are all the bad things he did? lets hear them</quote> I could already tell that any response to this would be pointless. lol. You already have your mind made up. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jen0125 10/13/20 6:43:06 PM #10:	Wanded posted... what are all the bad things he did? lets hear them Here's an easy to digest info graphic for you. I don't want you to strain yourself. https://theoatmeal.com/comics/columbus_day --- https://imgur.com/4ihiyS2 "I am not gay! Can't you get that through your head? I am very much aroused at the site of a naked woman!" - Dan0429 <cite>Jen0125 posted [p:945819349] in It's shock... [t:79038465]...</cite> <quote>Wanded posted... </cite> <quote>what are all the bad things he did? lets hear them</quote> Here's an easy to digest info graphic for you. I don't want you to strain yourself. https://theoatmeal.com/comics/columbus_day </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ogurisama 10/13/20 6:43:12 PM #11:	I dont even understand why Americans have such a hard for him, he never even came to main land America. Closest thing was being the first European in the age of discovery to cross the Atlantic. But its a stretch to say he discovered America. --- http://cdn-android.apptap.com/img/870/mobi.colortrilogy.bitlink/267135850.png https://i.chzbgr.com/completestore/12/10/5/uv4r7nGyrE6ylt2lHGWpiQ2.gif <cite>Ogurisama posted [p:945819352] in It's shock... [t:79038465]...</cite> <quote>I dont even understand why Americans have such a hard for him, he never even came to main land America. Closest thing was being the first European in the age of discovery to cross the Atlantic. But its a stretch to say he discovered America. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeus_LLC 10/13/20 6:44:22 PM #12:	It's shocking to me that people still don't know the real history of Christopher Columbus. And they really go to bat for him to continue to have a holiday. You mean as shocking as people not knowing the "real history" of anybody else with a holiday and who still want a holiday for those people? What a shame that you'll never find somebody completely without sin to have a holiday or a statue, so therefore we shouldn't have any holidays or statues. Of course, the other question is whether you know the real history of the holiday itself --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| <cite>Zeus_LLC posted [p:945819394] in It's shock... [t:79038465]...</cite> <quote><quote>It's shocking to me that people still don't know the real history of Christopher Columbus. And they really go to bat for him to continue to have a holiday.</quote> You mean as shocking as people not knowing the "real history" of anybody else with a holiday and who still want a holiday for those people? What a shame that you'll never find somebody completely without sin to have a holiday or a statue, so therefore we shouldn't have any holidays or statues. Of course, the other question is whether you know the real history of the holiday itself </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
likehelly 10/13/20 6:46:55 PM #13:	look it's zeus alt 227 --- paint me as the villain <cite>likehelly posted [p:945819486] in It's shock... [t:79038465]...</cite> <quote>look it's zeus alt 227 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GunslingerGunsl 10/13/20 6:47:02 PM #14:	Zeus_LLC posted... You mean as shocking as people not knowing the "real history" of anybody else with a holiday and who still want a holiday for those people? What a shame that you'll never find somebody completely without sin to have a holiday or a statue, so therefore we shouldn't have any holidays or statues. Of course, the other question is whether you know the real history of the holiday itself Jesus has holidays and statues. He also died for our sins. ~~If you believe that sort of thing.~~ <cite>GunslingerGunsl posted [p:945819493] in It's shock... [t:79038465]...</cite> <quote>Zeus_LLC posted... </cite> <quote>You mean as shocking as people not knowing the "real history" of anybody else with a holiday and who still want a holiday for those people? What a shame that you'll never find somebody completely without sin to have a holiday or a statue, so therefore we shouldn't have any holidays or statues. Of course, the other question is whether you know the real history of the holiday itself</quote> Jesus has holidays and statues. He also died for our sins. If you believe that sort of thing. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Far-Queue 10/13/20 6:47:21 PM #15:	Jen0125 posted... I don't want you to strain yourself. Lmao --- https://imgur.com/ZwO4qO2 "Far-Queue is probably one of the least troll-like of the posters here." - LinkPizza <cite>Far-Queue posted [p:945819502] in It's shock... [t:79038465]...</cite> <quote>Jen0125 posted... </cite> <quote>I don't want you to strain yourself.</quote>Lmao </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SunWuKung420 10/13/20 6:47:48 PM #16:	Ogurisama posted... I dont even understand why Americans have such a hard for him Most are big fans of genocide. Just look how they treated the indigenous people of North America and how prevalent neo-Nazi culture is. --- Society is built on a mass hallucination. <cite>SunWuKung420 posted [p:945819520] in It's shock... [t:79038465]...</cite> <quote>Ogurisama posted... </cite> <quote>I dont even understand why Americans have such a hard for him</quote> Most are big fans of genocide. Just look how they treated the indigenous people of North America and how prevalent neo-Nazi culture is. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GanonsSpirit 10/13/20 7:13:32 PM #17:	Zeus_LLC posted... You mean as shocking as people not knowing the "real history" of anybody else with a holiday and who still want a holiday for those people? What a shame that you'll never find somebody completely without sin to have a holiday or a statue, so therefore we shouldn't have any holidays or statues. What a fucking stupid thing to say. Columbus was a wretched piece of shit and you're implicitly saying Lincoln and MLK were just as bad. Dumb shit like this is why I have your main on ignore, you reprehensible pile of garbage. --- https://imgur.com/tsQUpxC Thanks, Nade Duck! [[[[[[[[[[[[[[[\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]] <cite>GanonsSpirit posted [p:945820456] in It's shock... [t:79038465]...</cite> <quote>Zeus_LLC posted...</cite> <quote>You mean as shocking as people not knowing the "real history" of anybody else with a holiday and who still want a holiday for those people? What a shame that you'll never find somebody completely without sin to have a holiday or a statue, so therefore we shouldn't have any holidays or statues.</quote> What a fucking stupid thing to say. Columbus was a wretched piece of shit and you're implicitly saying Lincoln and MLK were just as bad. Dumb shit like this is why I have your main on ignore, you reprehensible pile of garbage.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SKARDAVNELNATE 10/13/20 7:37:27 PM #18:	Jen0125 posted... And they really go to bat for him to continue to have a holiday. Do they? Or is it that they don't care because it holds no relevence to the lives of people today? --- No locked doors, no windows barred. No more things to make my brain seem SKARD. Look at Mr. Technical over here >.> -BTB <cite>SKARDAVNELNATE posted [p:945821269] in It's shock... [t:79038465]...</cite> <quote>Jen0125 posted... </cite> <quote>And they really go to bat for him to continue to have a holiday.</quote>Do they? Or is it that they don't care because it holds no relevence to the lives of people today? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Wanded 10/13/20 10:33:43 PM #19:	shadowsword87 posted... He took people, put them in cages, and then paraded them around Europe until they died, while talking about the new world. He brought 6 natives back who were baptised and we have no account f what happened to them afterwards Jen0125 posted... Here's an easy to digest info graphic for you. I don't want you to strain yourself. https://theoatmeal.com/comics/columbus_day culumbus was a sex trader - false, he opposed it, which makes sense since he was a devout religious man (which is part of why the left hates him so much) culumbus committed genocide- false, around 90% on natives were wiped out due to disease the colonizers brought with them, which is bad but unintentional https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEw8c6TmzGg http://www.truthaboutcolumbus.com/myth-vs-facts/ GunslingerGunsl posted... I could already tell that any response to this would be pointless. lol. You already have your mind made up. yes, my mind is made up that there is active leftist revisionist history going on in numerous areas of history, what i wrote above proves that, saying culumbus was a sex trader or committed genocide is false, and these aren't exactly small mistakes either... culumbus wasn't a saint but people are literally making him worse than hitler at this point --- Puss in Boots was a good movie and it deserves more recognition <cite>Wanded posted [p:945827533] in It's shock... [t:79038465]...</cite> <quote><quote>shadowsword87 posted... </cite>He took people, put them in cages, and then paraded them around Europe until they died, while talking about the new world.</quote>He brought 6 natives back who were baptised and we have no account f what happened to them afterwards Jen0125 posted... </cite> <quote>Here's an easy to digest info graphic for you. I don't want you to strain yourself. https://theoatmeal.com/comics/columbus_day</quote> culumbus was a sex trader - false, he opposed it, which makes sense since he was a devout religious man (which is part of why the left hates him so much) culumbus committed genocide- false, around 90% on natives were wiped out due to disease the colonizers brought with them, which is bad but unintentional https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEw8c6TmzGg http://www.truthaboutcolumbus.com/myth-vs-facts/ GunslingerGunsl posted... </cite> <quote>I could already tell that any response to this would be pointless. lol. You already have your mind made up.</quote>yes, my mind is made up that there is active leftist revisionist history going on in numerous areas of history, what i wrote above proves that, saying culumbus was a sex trader or committed genocide is false, and these aren't exactly small mistakes either... culumbus wasn't a saint but people are literally making him worse than hitler at this point </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WhiskeyDisk 10/13/20 10:46:57 PM #20:	Wanded posted... leftist history revision incoming We must destroy the four olds to realize glorious proletariat revolution, comrade! --- The SBA has closed for business, we thank you for your patronage Assassins. ~there's always free cheese in a mousetrap. <cite>WhiskeyDisk posted [p:945827923] in It's shock... [t:79038465]...</cite> <quote>Wanded posted... </cite> <quote>leftist history revision incoming</quote> We must destroy the four olds to realize glorious proletariat revolution, comrade! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
shadowsword87 10/13/20 10:57:37 PM #21:	Wanded posted... He brought 6 natives back who were baptised and we have no account f what happened to them afterwards He brought back 6 alive people, how many died to get there? And, what did you think happen to them? Them handed cookies and a pat on the head? --- ImmortalityV, "I would like to kiss Icoyar to be honest in a non gay way though" <cite>shadowsword87 posted [p:945828251] in It's shock... [t:79038465]...</cite> <quote>Wanded posted... </cite> <quote>He brought 6 natives back who were baptised and we have no account f what happened to them afterwards</quote> He brought back 6 alive people, how many died to get there? And, what did you think happen to them? Them handed cookies and a pat on the head? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
deoxxys 10/13/20 11:53:49 PM #22:	Ogurisama posted... I dont even understand why Americans have such a hard for him @Ogurisama I mean not really. I never have met anyone who actually was excited about Christopher Columbus. Kids are just excited they get a day off from school and Adults are just glad to get a day off work. Anyway, first I have heard how he was a horrible person, if true should be taught in schools but that webpage also has zero sources so I will take this with a grain of salt till someone poasts sauce. --- twylite sprinkle http://tinyurl.com/jeqyas3 https://tinyurl.com/mgvx7h2 <cite>deoxxys posted [p:945829961] in It's shock... [t:79038465]...</cite> <quote>Ogurisama posted... </cite> <quote>I dont even understand why Americans have such a hard for him</quote>@Ogurisama I mean not really. I never have met anyone who actually was excited about Christopher Columbus. Kids are just excited they get a day off from school and Adults are just glad to get a day off work. Anyway, first I have heard how he was a horrible person, if true should be taught in schools but that webpage also has zero sources so I will take this with a grain of salt till someone poasts sauce. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
wolfy42 10/14/20 12:22:46 AM #23:	I personally believe Jesus and Columbus were the same person (as well as Hitler, and Ghandi). --- Tacobot 3000 "Saving the world from not having tacos." Glowing Elephant "Stonehedge was a sex thing." <cite>wolfy42 posted [p:945830724] in It's shock... [t:79038465]...</cite> <quote>I personally believe Jesus and Columbus were the same person (as well as Hitler, and Ghandi). </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkPizza 10/14/20 12:24:15 AM #24:	I had a friend who always caleld it Leif Ericson Day at work... Of course, we didn't work that day. But he always told us when we got back... Jen0125 posted... And they really go to bat for him to continue to have a holiday. People like having days off, I guess. I mean, I enjoy having more days off... SKARDAVNELNATE posted... Or is it that they don't care because it holds no relevence to the lives of people today? This is probably true, though. Not many people really care about him, I think. I know I don't, at least... It's just another paid day off for me... That being said, I've heard he's not really that good of a person, so whatever... wolfy42 posted... I personally believe Jesus and Columbus were the same person (as well as Hitler, and Ghandi). The Egg... --- Official King of Kings Switch FC: 7216-4417-4511 Add Me because I'll probably add you. I'm probably the LinkPizza you'll see around. <cite>LinkPizza posted [p:945830757] in It's shock... [t:79038465]...</cite> <quote>I had a friend who always caleld it Leif Ericson Day at work... Of course, we didn't work that day. But he always told us when we got back... Jen0125 posted...</cite> <quote>And they really go to bat for him to continue to have a holiday.</quote> People like having days off, I guess. I mean, I enjoy having more days off... SKARDAVNELNATE posted...</cite> <quote>Or is it that they don't care because it holds no relevence to the lives of people today?</quote> This is probably true, though. Not many people really care about him, I think. I know I don't, at least... It's just another paid day off for me... That being said, I've heard he's not really that good of a person, so whatever... wolfy42 posted...</cite> <quote>I personally believe Jesus and Columbus were the same person (as well as Hitler, and Ghandi).</quote> The Egg...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
zebatov 10/14/20 12:36:35 AM #25:	Yeah like how he was just doing his job and Spain is the corporation that contracted him. Always wondered if South American natives dont have to pay taxes if they work on their own land and get payouts at a certain age by the European government that controls the land around them. --- C was right. <cite>zebatov posted [p:945831057] in It's shock... [t:79038465]...</cite> <quote>Yeah like how he was just doing his job and Spain is the corporation that contracted him. Always wondered if South American natives dont have to pay taxes if they work on their own land and get payouts at a certain age by the European government that controls the land around them. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
wolfy42 10/14/20 12:37:05 AM #26:	LinkPizza posted... The Egg... Yep, although I believed that before seeing the video (I think you linked me to the video last time we discussed it in fact). I have pretty much always believed (after I was a kid) that god split himself up into countless individuals in order to fight boredom, blocking himself off from the experiences of each, so as to make them new each time. To me, it makes the most sense, and is a...for me, viable explanation as to how you could have a god that wasn't a sadistic bastard who allowed people like hitler etc to be born (since he could easily determine what was going to happen (ti's all math but thats another subject), he could easily ensure hitler was stillborn/aborted etc so none of that suffering happened. Honestly, existence HAS to be unpredictable in order for it not to be boring as...well hell lol. Hell is knowing everything that is going to happen before it does, heaven is not remembering the past and experiencing things fresh each time. --- Tacobot 3000 "Saving the world from not having tacos." Glowing Elephant "Stonehedge was a sex thing." <cite>wolfy42 posted [p:945831071] in It's shock... [t:79038465]...</cite> <quote>LinkPizza posted... </cite> <quote>The Egg...</quote> Yep, although I believed that before seeing the video (I think you linked me to the video last time we discussed it in fact). I have pretty much always believed (after I was a kid) that god split himself up into countless individuals in order to fight boredom, blocking himself off from the experiences of each, so as to make them new each time. To me, it makes the most sense, and is a...for me, viable explanation as to how you could have a god that wasn't a sadistic bastard who allowed people like hitler etc to be born (since he could easily determine what was going to happen (ti's all math but thats another subject), he could easily ensure hitler was stillborn/aborted etc so none of that suffering happened. Honestly, existence HAS to be unpredictable in order for it not to be boring as...well hell lol. Hell is knowing everything that is going to happen before it does, heaven is not remembering the past and experiencing things fresh each time. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
joemodda 10/14/20 12:37:20 AM #27:	'Real' history? Do you mean people should look back on historical figures with nuanced and objective overview of morality, culture, and motivations of centuries past, or do you just want to shit on them because 'white men bad'? --- It's not genocide... it's pesticide... <cite>joemodda posted [p:945831084] in It's shock... [t:79038465]...</cite> <quote>'Real' history? Do you mean people should look back on historical figures with nuanced and objective overview of morality, culture, and motivations of centuries past, or do you just want to shit on them because 'white men bad'? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
zebatov 10/14/20 12:39:26 AM #28:	joemodda posted... 'Real' history? Do you mean people should look back on historical figures with nuanced and objective overview of morality, culture, and motivations of centuries past, or do you just want to shit on them because 'white men bad'? Im willing to bet its the latter, because if you look at human history, its the same across the board, and the natives here are treated quite well by comparison to say, some peoples that dont even exist anymore. But that would be devastating to their case, so such points should never be made. --- C was right. <cite>zebatov posted [p:945831124] in It's shock... [t:79038465]...</cite> <quote>joemodda posted... </cite> <quote>'Real' history? Do you mean people should look back on historical figures with nuanced and objective overview of morality, culture, and motivations of centuries past, or do you just want to shit on them because 'white men bad'?</quote> Im willing to bet its the latter, because if you look at human history, its the same across the board, and the natives here are treated quite well by comparison to say, some peoples that dont even exist anymore. But that would be devastating to their case, so such points should never be made. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mead 10/14/20 12:42:17 AM #29:	I remember when he mutilated a bunch of natives for the hell of it and then Spain was like bro. wtf. --- The Betrayer <cite>Mead posted [p:945831188] in It's shock... [t:79038465]...</cite> <quote>I remember when he mutilated a bunch of natives for the hell of it and then Spain was like bro. wtf. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Metalsonic66 10/14/20 12:43:10 AM #30:	Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition --- PSN/Steam ID: Metalsonic_69 Big bombs go kabang. <cite>Metalsonic66 posted [p:945831211] in It's shock... [t:79038465]...</cite> <quote>Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WhiskeyDisk 10/14/20 12:54:18 AM #31:	wolfy42 posted... Yep, although I believed that before seeing the video (I think you linked me to the video last time we discussed it in fact). I have pretty much always believed (after I was a kid) that god split himself up into countless individuals in order to fight boredom, blocking himself off from the experiences of each, so as to make them new each time. To me, it makes the most sense, and is a...for me, viable explanation as to how you could have a god that wasn't a sadistic bastard who allowed people like hitler etc to be born (since he could easily determine what was going to happen (ti's all math but thats another subject), he could easily ensure hitler was stillborn/aborted etc so none of that suffering happened. Honestly, existence HAS to be unpredictable in order for it not to be boring as...well hell lol. Hell is knowing everything that is going to happen before it does, heaven is not remembering the past and experiencing things fresh each time. Yahweh was always a sadistic bastard. Moses, Job...Noah...hell, the Tree of Life in Eden? Hell was never meant for Man, it was there to punish the Fallen after the Rebellion. Holding Man to the same standard as the Choir when Man was given Free Will in the first place is about as sadistic as it gets. Yahweh is cruel AF and makes most other pantheons look tame by comparison if you look at the details. --- The SBA has closed for business, we thank you for your patronage Assassins. ~there's always free cheese in a mousetrap. <cite>WhiskeyDisk posted [p:945831506] in It's shock... [t:79038465]...</cite> <quote>wolfy42 posted... </cite> <quote>Yep, although I believed that before seeing the video (I think you linked me to the video last time we discussed it in fact). I have pretty much always believed (after I was a kid) that god split himself up into countless individuals in order to fight boredom, blocking himself off from the experiences of each, so as to make them new each time. To me, it makes the most sense, and is a...for me, viable explanation as to how you could have a god that wasn't a sadistic bastard who allowed people like hitler etc to be born (since he could easily determine what was going to happen (ti's all math but thats another subject), he could easily ensure hitler was stillborn/aborted etc so none of that suffering happened. Honestly, existence HAS to be unpredictable in order for it not to be boring as...well hell lol. Hell is knowing everything that is going to happen before it does, heaven is not remembering the past and experiencing things fresh each time.</quote> Yahweh was always a sadistic bastard. Moses, Job...Noah...hell, the Tree of Life in Eden? Hell was never meant for Man, it was there to punish the Fallen after the Rebellion. Holding Man to the same standard as the Choir when Man was given Free Will in the first place is about as sadistic as it gets. Yahweh is cruel AF and makes most other pantheons look tame by comparison if you look at the details. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OrangeDawn 10/14/20 12:56:47 AM #32:	zebatov posted... Im willing to bet its the latter, because if you look at human history, its the same across the board, and the natives here are treated quite well by comparison to say, some peoples that dont even exist anymore. But that would be devastating to their case, so such points should never be made. Lmao at your defense for Columbus wasnt that bad being well at least he didnt TOTALLY erase the indigenous population --- 3DS Friend Code: 3308-5843-0863 Town: Virginia <cite>OrangeDawn posted [p:945831565] in It's shock... [t:79038465]...</cite> <quote>zebatov posted... </cite> <quote>Im willing to bet its the latter, because if you look at human history, its the same across the board, and the natives here are treated quite well by comparison to say, some peoples that dont even exist anymore. But that would be devastating to their case, so such points should never be made.</quote>Lmao at your defense for Columbus wasnt that bad being well at least he didnt TOTALLY erase the indigenous population </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
shadowsword87 10/14/20 12:58:35 AM #33:	WhiskeyDisk posted... Hell was never meant for Man, it was there to punish the Fallen after the Rebellion. Holding Man to the same standard as the Choir when Man was given Free Will in the first place is about as sadistic as it gets. Yahweh is cruel AF and makes most other pantheons look tame by comparison if you look at the details. Depending on your interpretation of the bible, hell isn't even mentioned that often, not even talking about how a rebellion of the angels wasn't mentioned in the slightest. --- ImmortalityV, "I would like to kiss Icoyar to be honest in a non gay way though" <cite>shadowsword87 posted [p:945831606] in It's shock... [t:79038465]...</cite> <quote>WhiskeyDisk posted... </cite> <quote>Hell was never meant for Man, it was there to punish the Fallen after the Rebellion. Holding Man to the same standard as the Choir when Man was given Free Will in the first place is about as sadistic as it gets. Yahweh is cruel AF and makes most other pantheons look tame by comparison if you look at the details.</quote> Depending on your interpretation of the bible, hell isn't even mentioned that often, not even talking about how a rebellion of the angels wasn't mentioned in the slightest. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Wanded 10/14/20 1:04:46 AM #34:	https://imgur.com/lcKGTEc --- Puss in Boots was a good movie and it deserves more recognition <cite>Wanded posted [p:945831746] in It's shock... [t:79038465]...</cite> <quote>https://imgur.com/lcKGTEc </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WhiskeyDisk 10/14/20 1:07:06 AM #35:	shadowsword87 posted... Depending on your interpretation of the bible, hell isn't even mentioned that often, not even talking about how a rebellion of the angels wasn't mentioned in the slightest. without the apocrypha, you're forced to take the text at face value. don't get me started on the Council of Nicea...imagine Taking say, the entire Dragonlance series, and just ripping out pages and entire chapters of already established canon and saying this is what the authors intended...and that series was written by 2 people, not dozens. We get 4 PoV books with very minor differences concerning Jesus, but any other character in the OT just gets the one. the entire "bible" as we know it is a mess, cobbled together around the sensibilities of a very tiny slice of time despite it asserting itself as a definitive work for all time afterwards, and there being dozens of contradictory and contemporary texts and alternate drafts to just about any book of the bible. --- The SBA has closed for business, we thank you for your patronage Assassins. ~there's always free cheese in a mousetrap. <cite>WhiskeyDisk posted [p:945831787] in It's shock... [t:79038465]...</cite> <quote>shadowsword87 posted... </cite> <quote>Depending on your interpretation of the bible, hell isn't even mentioned that often, not even talking about how a rebellion of the angels wasn't mentioned in the slightest.</quote> without the apocrypha, you're forced to take the text at face value. don't get me started on the Council of Nicea...imagine Taking say, the entire Dragonlance series, and just ripping out pages and entire chapters of already established canon and saying this is what the authors intended...and that series was written by 2 people, not dozens. We get 4 PoV books with very minor differences concerning Jesus, but any other character in the OT just gets the one. the entire "bible" as we know it is a mess, cobbled together around the sensibilities of a very tiny slice of time despite it asserting itself as a definitive work for all time afterwards, and there being dozens of contradictory and contemporary texts and alternate drafts to just about any book of the bible. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FrndNhbrHdCEman 10/14/20 1:09:13 AM #36:	shadowsword87 posted... You know what is a revisionist history thing though? Claiming the civil war is about state rights, and not about slavery. Read the damn deceleration of war from the confederacy. I like Wanded ignored this post. --- Official nosy neighbor and gossip https://imgur.com/uGKwGsK <cite>FrndNhbrHdCEman posted [p:945831834] in It's shock... [t:79038465]...</cite> <quote>shadowsword87 posted... </cite> <quote>You know what is a revisionist history thing though? Claiming the civil war is about state rights, and not about slavery. Read the damn deceleration of war from the confederacy.</quote>I like Wanded ignored this post. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
shadowsword87 10/14/20 1:16:14 AM #37:	WhiskeyDisk posted... without the apocrypha, you're forced to take the text at face value. don't get me started on the Council of Nicea...imagine Taking say, the entire Dragonlance series, and just ripping out pages and entire chapters of already established canon and saying this is what the authors intended...and that series was written by 2 people, not dozens. We get 4 PoV books with very minor differences concerning Jesus, but any other character in the OT just gets the one. Oh sure, and there are a bunch of letters that have had their context stripped out so we can get a quote about love to say during a wedding ceremony. We've had multiple times where people go through and canonize things and make things apocrypha. ~~Also, Jesus is gay, don't @ me~~ WhiskeyDisk posted... the entire "bible" as we know it is a mess, cobbled together around the sensibilities of a very tiny slice of time despite it asserting itself as a definitive work for all time afterwards, and there being dozens of contradictory and contemporary texts and alternate drafts to just about any book of the bible. Oh yeah, no disagreements there. I just don't agree that hell was created as a punishment for angels. Without the apocrypha we just don't really have Hell, and demons are these weird air-spirit things. But, with the apocrypha, hell was created before as a broad "not holy" place, not created after the fall of lucifer, so humans aren't given the same requirements to get in, it's just they happen to be there too. --- ImmortalityV, "I would like to kiss Icoyar to be honest in a non gay way though" <cite>shadowsword87 posted [p:945831976] in It's shock... [t:79038465]...</cite> <quote>WhiskeyDisk posted... </cite> <quote>without the apocrypha, you're forced to take the text at face value. don't get me started on the Council of Nicea...imagine Taking say, the entire Dragonlance series, and just ripping out pages and entire chapters of already established canon and saying this is what the authors intended...and that series was written by 2 people, not dozens. We get 4 PoV books with very minor differences concerning Jesus, but any other character in the OT just gets the one.</quote> Oh sure, and there are a bunch of letters that have had their context stripped out so we can get a quote about love to say during a wedding ceremony. We've had multiple times where people go through and canonize things and make things apocrypha. Also, Jesus is gay, don't @ me WhiskeyDisk posted... </cite> <quote>the entire "bible" as we know it is a mess, cobbled together around the sensibilities of a very tiny slice of time despite it asserting itself as a definitive work for all time afterwards, and there being dozens of contradictory and contemporary texts and alternate drafts to just about any book of the bible.</quote> Oh yeah, no disagreements there. I just don't agree that hell was created as a punishment for angels. Without the apocrypha we just don't really have Hell, and demons are these weird air-spirit things. But, with the apocrypha, hell was created before as a broad "not holy" place, not created after the fall of lucifer, so humans aren't given the same requirements to get in, it's just they happen to be there too. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WhiskeyDisk 10/14/20 1:21:02 AM #38:	shadowsword87 posted... Oh sure, and there are a bunch of letters that have had their context stripped out so we can get a quote about love to say during a wedding ceremony. We've had multiple times where people go through and canonize things and make things apocrypha. ~~Also, Jesus is gay, don't @ me~~ Oh yeah, no disagreements there. I just don't agree that hell was created as a punishment for angels. Without the apocrypha we just don't really have Hell, and demons are these weird air-spirit things. But, with the apocrypha, hell was created before as a broad "not holy" place, not created after the fall of lucifer, so humans aren't given the same requirements to get in, it's just they happen to be there too. even worse. if Hell was intended to punish the Fallen for demanding a say in controlling Men, what sense would it make to give them control over the Men sent to Hell? Nothing about the "Demons tempting Men" narrative holds up to in-universe logic of any sort. --- The SBA has closed for business, we thank you for your patronage Assassins. ~there's always free cheese in a mousetrap. <cite>WhiskeyDisk posted [p:945832079] in It's shock... [t:79038465]...</cite> <quote>shadowsword87 posted... </cite> <quote>Oh sure, and there are a bunch of letters that have had their context stripped out so we can get a quote about love to say during a wedding ceremony. We've had multiple times where people go through and canonize things and make things apocrypha. Also, Jesus is gay, don't @ me Oh yeah, no disagreements there. I just don't agree that hell was created as a punishment for angels. Without the apocrypha we just don't really have Hell, and demons are these weird air-spirit things. But, with the apocrypha, hell was created before as a broad "not holy" place, not created after the fall of lucifer, so humans aren't given the same requirements to get in, it's just they happen to be there too.</quote> even worse. if Hell was intended to punish the Fallen for demanding a say in controlling Men, what sense would it make to give them control over the Men sent to Hell? Nothing about the "Demons tempting Men" narrative holds up to in-universe logic of any sort. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
shadowsword87 10/14/20 1:22:35 AM #39:	WhiskeyDisk posted... even worse. if Hell was intended to punish the Fallen for demanding a say in controlling Men, what sense would it make to give them control over the Men sent to Hell? Nothing about the "Demons tempting Men" narrative holds up to in-universe logic of any sort. I... don't agree that hell was created to punish the angels? I always like the idea that it was just sorta shit all around, and humans and angels coexisted in it, and it sucks. --- ImmortalityV, "I would like to kiss Icoyar to be honest in a non gay way though" <cite>shadowsword87 posted [p:945832101] in It's shock... [t:79038465]...</cite> <quote>WhiskeyDisk posted... </cite> <quote>even worse. if Hell was intended to punish the Fallen for demanding a say in controlling Men, what sense would it make to give them control over the Men sent to Hell? Nothing about the "Demons tempting Men" narrative holds up to in-universe logic of any sort.</quote> I... don't agree that hell was created to punish the angels? I always like the idea that it was just sorta shit all around, and humans and angels coexisted in it, and it sucks. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BlackJackCat 10/14/20 1:29:21 AM #40:	Also doesn't help that the bible is subject to nuances being lost in translation. As I recollect the New Testament goes through the local language, Greek, and so on. --- This issues still comes to mind now and then Cake was baking in the oven and mother was making tea for us <cite>BlackJackCat posted [p:945832219] in It's shock... [t:79038465]...</cite> <quote>Also doesn't help that the bible is subject to nuances being lost in translation. As I recollect the New Testament goes through the local language, Greek, and so on. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
shadowsword87 10/14/20 1:31:14 AM #41:	There's some Hebrew words that are said in the old testament that people straight up don't know what it means, it's kind of wild. --- ImmortalityV, "I would like to kiss Icoyar to be honest in a non gay way though" <cite>shadowsword87 posted [p:945832268] in It's shock... [t:79038465]...</cite> <quote>There's some Hebrew words that are said in the old testament that people straight up don't know what it means, it's kind of wild. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Wanded 10/14/20 1:34:14 AM #42:	FrndNhbrHdCEman posted... I like Wanded ignored this post. why would i respond to that? was it supposed to be an attack on the right?lol conservatives agree with that statement, even prageru have a video about that @shadowsword87 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcy7qV-BGF4 i love the civil war, my party kicked your partys butt and freed the slaves. --- Puss in Boots was a good movie and it deserves more recognition <cite>Wanded posted [p:945832321] in It's shock... [t:79038465]...</cite> <quote>FrndNhbrHdCEman posted... </cite> <quote>I like Wanded ignored this post.</quote>why would i respond to that? was it supposed to be an attack on the right?lol conservatives agree with that statement, even prageru have a video about that @shadowsword87 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcy7qV-BGF4 i love the civil war, my party kicked your partys butt and freed the slaves. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BlackJackCat 10/14/20 1:44:10 AM #43:	Yeah it's a little hard to apply the Civil War thing to the whole of history, since that was a section of the country that was very bitter. Naturally the side that lost is going to fudge the facts or strip away certain nuance. Japan has done this continually since 1945, and it took over 70 years to concede they might have done some fucked up shit in the war. As I understand it their curriculum still glosses over some points. --- This issues still comes to mind now and then Cake was baking in the oven and mother was making tea for us <cite>BlackJackCat posted [p:945832510] in It's shock... [t:79038465]...</cite> <quote>Yeah it's a little hard to apply the Civil War thing to the whole of history, since that was a section of the country that was very bitter. Naturally the side that lost is going to fudge the facts or strip away certain nuance. Japan has done this continually since 1945, and it took over 70 years to concede they might have done some fucked up shit in the war. As I understand it their curriculum still glosses over some points. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Wanded 10/14/20 1:53:18 AM #44:	shadowsword87 posted... He brought back 6 alive people, how many died to get there? And, what did you think happen to them? Them handed cookies and a pat on the head? we can talk about that if you want, after finishing what we were talking about beforehand, which was me saying there is leftist revisionist history at play, do you agree with me that leftists are attempting to rewrite history to demonize culumbus? --- Puss in Boots was a good movie and it deserves more recognition <cite>Wanded posted [p:945832672] in It's shock... [t:79038465]...</cite> <quote>shadowsword87 posted... </cite> <quote>He brought back 6 alive people, how many died to get there? And, what did you think happen to them? Them handed cookies and a pat on the head?</quote>we can talk about that if you want, after finishing what we were talking about beforehand, which was me saying there is leftist revisionist history at play, do you agree with me that leftists are attempting to rewrite history to demonize culumbus? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
shadowsword87 10/14/20 2:00:42 AM #45:	Wanded posted... which was me saying there is leftist revisionist history at play, do you agree with me that leftists are attempting to rewrite history to demonize culumbus? What's being talked about is not rewriting history, his deeds aren't being undone. He still was the first eurpoean who went to the americas, and talked it up. Pointing out other things doesn't make the initial things untrue. It makes it more complicated. History is extremely rarely "good man bad man", just like real life, because history is just talking about real life. Saying "well those bad things aren't really bad" is rewriting history though, denying what happened is rewriting history, pushing the complexity of real life on a popular narrative isn't rewriting history. There's no books being burned, no thoughts being stamped out, nothing like that. --- ImmortalityV, "I would like to kiss Icoyar to be honest in a non gay way though" <cite>shadowsword87 posted [p:945832825] in It's shock... [t:79038465]...</cite> <quote>Wanded posted... </cite> <quote>which was me saying there is leftist revisionist history at play, do you agree with me that leftists are attempting to rewrite history to demonize culumbus?</quote> What's being talked about is not rewriting history, his deeds aren't being undone. He still was the first eurpoean who went to the americas, and talked it up. Pointing out other things doesn't make the initial things untrue. It makes it more complicated. History is extremely rarely "good man bad man", just like real life, because history is just talking about real life. Saying "well those bad things aren't really bad" is rewriting history though, denying what happened is rewriting history, pushing the complexity of real life on a popular narrative isn't rewriting history. There's no books being burned, no thoughts being stamped out, nothing like that. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BlackJackCat 10/14/20 2:12:08 AM #46:	And all of this for a day you don't even get presents on. Or a day off. lmao fuck Columbus. --- This issues still comes to mind now and then Cake was baking in the oven and mother was making tea for us <cite>BlackJackCat posted [p:945833035] in It's shock... [t:79038465]...</cite> <quote>And all of this for a day you don't even get presents on. Or a day off. lmao fuck Columbus. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
wolfy42 10/14/20 2:24:11 AM #47:	WhiskeyDisk posted... without the apocrypha, you're forced to take the text at face value. don't get me started on the Council of Nicea...imagine Taking say, the entire Dragonlance series, and just ripping out pages and entire chapters of already established canon and saying this is what the authors intended...and that series was written by 2 people, not dozens. We get 4 PoV books with very minor differences concerning Jesus, but any other character in the OT just gets the one. the entire "bible" as we know it is a mess, cobbled together around the sensibilities of a very tiny slice of time despite it asserting itself as a definitive work for all time afterwards, and there being dozens of contradictory and contemporary texts and alternate drafts to just about any book of the bible. Just don't ditch the Tas parts, or ...the Raistlin parts either, I can handle pretty much everything else (ok, leave in the Fizban parts too, but most of those involve Tas anyway). --- Tacobot 3000 "Saving the world from not having tacos." Glowing Elephant "Stonehedge was a sex thing." <cite>wolfy42 posted [p:945833226] in It's shock... [t:79038465]...</cite> <quote>WhiskeyDisk posted... </cite> <quote>without the apocrypha, you're forced to take the text at face value. don't get me started on the Council of Nicea...imagine Taking say, the entire Dragonlance series, and just ripping out pages and entire chapters of already established canon and saying this is what the authors intended...and that series was written by 2 people, not dozens. We get 4 PoV books with very minor differences concerning Jesus, but any other character in the OT just gets the one. the entire "bible" as we know it is a mess, cobbled together around the sensibilities of a very tiny slice of time despite it asserting itself as a definitive work for all time afterwards, and there being dozens of contradictory and contemporary texts and alternate drafts to just about any book of the bible.</quote> Just don't ditch the Tas parts, or ...the Raistlin parts either, I can handle pretty much everything else (ok, leave in the Fizban parts too, but most of those involve Tas anyway). </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FatalAccident 10/14/20 2:38:20 AM #48:	@Wanded literally sees life through a prism of left and right lol talk about brainwashed by American politics lmao --- walks away <cite>FatalAccident posted [p:945833447] in It's shock... [t:79038465]...</cite> <quote>@Wanded literally sees life through a prism of left and right lol talk about brainwashed by American politics lmao </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Wanded 10/14/20 2:38:37 AM #49:	shadowsword87 posted... What's being talked about is not rewriting history, yes it is, i talked about leftist history revision and you responded to me talking about it, that's what started this convo, i'm not talking about if he's good or bad or lawful neutral or bugs bunny You said culumbus paraded the natives in cages until they died, do you have a source which confirms this? because that's not true and proof you have been misled by leftist history revision, you heard that nonsense somewhere, where? who put those false facts inside you and why? --- Puss in Boots was a good movie and it deserves more recognition <cite>Wanded posted [p:945833449] in It's shock... [t:79038465]...</cite> <quote>shadowsword87 posted... </cite> <quote>What's being talked about is not rewriting history,</quote>yes it is, i talked about leftist history revision and you responded to me talking about it, that's what started this convo, i'm not talking about if he's good or bad or lawful neutral or bugs bunny You said culumbus paraded the natives in cages until they died, do you have a source which confirms this? because that's not true and proof you have been misled by leftist history revision, you heard that nonsense somewhere, where? who put those false facts inside you and why? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Wanded 10/14/20 2:40:02 AM #50:	FatalAccident posted... @Wanded literally sees life through a prism of left and right lol talk about brainwashed by American politics lmao oh, it's not the leftists who have been taking down and desecrating culumbus statues for a few years now? --- Puss in Boots was a good movie and it deserves more recognition <cite>Wanded posted [p:945833474] in It's shock... [t:79038465]...</cite> <quote>FatalAccident posted... </cite> <quote>@Wanded literally sees life through a prism of left and right lol talk about brainwashed by American politics lmao</quote>oh, it's not the leftists who have been taking down and desecrating culumbus statues for a few years now? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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