Current Events > I am cracking up at all these outlandish stories about 'Oh he's not gonna leave'

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The minute Trump loses the election on NOV 3rd (or 4th if it goes late night), he'll start tweeting "THYIS IS A SHAM I'M TAKING ACTION TO MAKE SURE SLEEPY JOE DOESN'T GET MY HOUSE"

What y'all gotta understand is that is it. He's just some old grumpy man with a phone making calls to politicians after thatpoint. "MITCH! Rig it for me! Cmon man!" This would be Mitch's response - and probably any major GOPer -

"You lost, I have an entire Republican machine to churn on. Thanks for the SCOTUS judges and the tax cuts"

The fact people think Lindsay Graham or Mitch or any of these spineless people is gonna go apeshit and start guarding the White House for him is hilarious. He loses - and is instantly a lame duck who leaves in about 60 days.

People here thinking there is some "underlying" loyalty to him crack me up - he is their boss and nothing more. They are nice to him because he is their boss.

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After NOV 4th it's just some old rich guy who is leaving in 60 days. The military ain't going to guard him. The Governors ain't gonna guard him. Mitch McConnell ain't gonna guard him.

MAYBE Ron DeSantis will - but that's not enough.

PS: Trump won't ever go to jail...BUT his children could. Bet on that.

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If they can invalidate Trump's loss they can invalidate the losses of their senators

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If you think Trump is leaving office I want what you're smokin. Literally no one's gonna stop him

Lysandear posted...

If you think Trump is leaving office I want what you're smokin. Literally no one's gonna stop him

You're right. It'll go to the Suprme Courst and the ruling will look like this:

"Welp, President Trump is not leaving so we officially declare him Supreme Chancellor and I guess he just owns the White House now. We hereby grant this stay indefinitely"

^ I make myself laugh, lmao. This is what y'all actually believe will happen. "WELP! HE'S NOT LEAVING SO WE HEREBY SAY HE IS ALL POWERFUL"

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Unironically that

He has made a joke out of the US political system for the past 4 years, has plenty of politicians and plenty of the population behind him.

I could see some sort of "we need to postpone the vote until corona is over" thing happening. If it goes through the broken legal system, Americans won't get off their asses about it.

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AFrench2 posted...

You're right. It'll go to the Suprme Courst and the ruling will look like this:

"Welp, President Trump is not leaving so we officially declare him Supreme Chancellor and I guess he just owns the White House now. We hereby grant this stay indefinitely"

Its going to be more like
"In the interest of 'preserving the integrity of the US election' in the eyes of the world and the people, we hereby declare the ballots counted after the day of Nov 3 to be illegal"

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I'll let y'all discuss amongst yourselves - but I just leave it at that. I am cracking up at this belief.

"He won't leave the lawn, guys...welp guess he is all powerful now." <- SCOTUS 2020 ruling "Trump v. America"

ALIEN_WORK2HOP posted...

He has made a joke out of the US political system for the past 4 years, has plenty of politicians and plenty of the population behind him.

I could see some sort of "we need to postpone the vote until corona is over" thing happening. If it goes through the broken legal system, Americans won't get off their asses about it.

Actually in all honesty - the Senate has been the joke. Trump is Trump. We all know Trump.

You do realize he would be impeached by now if the Senate wasn't a joke, right?

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so this guy's what rod or somethin

Lysandear posted...

so this guy's what rod or somethin

*Believes the law is that if a guy doesn't leave the front lawn of the WH, he is granted Jafar-like powers by a genie SCOTUS*

*Mocks other people*

You're a joke of a political mind

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yeah youre posting insane-o cartoonish tangents so it's not lookin good for the whole not-rod case

He doesn't have to win, he'll just appoint electors that will ignore the vote for him

He'll certainly do anything he can to undermine the results if he loses, but the people who lambast him for being a nitwit but also expect him to pull some 4D chess maneuver to never leave are silly.

nemu posted...

He'll certainly do anything he can to undermine the results if he loses, but the people who lambast him for being a nitwit but also expect him to pull some 4D chess maneuver to never leave are silly.

no one expects this. he's told us in plain english what his plan is. stack the electors, stack the court, discount mail-in. literally 1D

your words are shit as always

I could honestly see him throwing a fit, abandoning the office early and not waiting until 2021.

He might demand a few recounts first.

Lysandear posted...

no one expects this. he's told us in plain english what his plan is. stack the electors, stack the court, discount mail-in. literally 1D

your words are shit as always

And none of that is the silly "they'll have to drag him screaming out of the White House" or "he'll forcibly occupy the White House" nonsense that some people have been peddling. It's not like there isn't cause for concern if he actually muddles the legal system to such an extent, but those are two different things.

The debate will be glorious.

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It's reassuring to know conservatives don't have a monopoly on nightmare scenario craziness. "He's not going to leave office willingly," sounds like something a staunch right-winger would've said about Obama.

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FortuneCookie posted...

It's reassuring to know conservatives don't have a monopoly on nightmare scenario craziness. "He's not going to leave office willingly," sounds like something a staunch right-winger would've said about Obama.

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Except Trump himself has been publicly claiming it?

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TheGoldenEel posted...

Except Trump himself has been publicly claiming it?

dont you understand? both sides are crazy, and i'm not crazy, so through transitive property i'm the smartest person out of all sides

FortuneCookie posted...

It's reassuring to know conservatives don't have a monopoly on nightmare scenario craziness. "He's not going to leave office willingly," sounds like something a staunch right-winger would've said about Obama.

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EXACTLY. I agree completely. We mock Conservatives for not wearing masks or not believing in vaccines or blah blah.

But my side is sitting here saying if an old man does not want to leave the White House, he is thereby granted a free SCOTUS hearing and becomes Supreme Chancellor.

Like what the hell? LMAO

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I remember when Bush, Clinton, Bush, and Obama weren't going to leave office.

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Once his term is officially over, he'll just be escorted out by security. Might make a debacle over it, but it won't amount to much more than that if it even goes that far.

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Were_Wyrm posted...

I remember when Bush, Clinton, Bush, and Obama weren't going to leave office.

Did they state for years they would be opposed to leaving

Did they refuse to acknowledge their potential future losses

"It's fine, Trump's an idiot, even if he won there's not much he'll be able to do"
"It's fine, I.C.E is just an anti-immagrant organization they'll ust send those people back to their home countries"
"It's fine, Trump can't ban muslims forever"
"It's fine, Corvid won't be that bad even with Trump around"
"It's fine, Even if Trump wanted to he can't interfere in the investigations"
"It's fine, the court decided Trump's tax returns have to be seen even his two judges ruled against him"
"It's fine, even if Trump's a power hungry toad even he can't spread his influence over all our legal services they have more honor than that!"
"It's fine, the people will see Trump for what he is after his down playing of a deadly virus, corrupt attempts to extort other countries for personal gain and installing corrupt figure heads into various parts of the government"
"It's fine, look at all the people going to jail under Trump, that means he's running out of henchmen and nobody else will be willing to cover for him."
"It's fine, impeachment proceedings are underway once those are public even Republicans won't protect him anymore."
"It's Fine, even if Trump controls the senate, the supreme court and the justice department once he loses he has no way of retaining power and he'll be dragged out of office kicking and screaming"

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Lysandear posted...

dont you understand? both sides are crazy, and i'm not crazy, so through transitive property i'm the smartest person out of all sides

AFrench2 posted...

EXACTLY. I agree completely. We mock Conservatives for not wearing masks or not believing in vaccines or blah blah.

But my side is sitting here saying if an old man does not want to leave the White House, he is thereby granted a free SCOTUS hearing and becomes Supreme Chancellor.

Like what the hell? LMAO

Like I said, the right doesn't have a monopoly on crazy. Though I think it might be fair to say you two were driven crazy by conservatives. So you could technically still tie it back to them if you wanted.

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If there's any danger in November, it's in people not showing up to vote or in Trump finding a way to rig the election. He's not going to turn the US into a dictatorship and remain in office if voted out. He may have stated as such, but he doesn't have the power to do so. The army isn't going to side with him.

It would be amazing though if he were the first president forcibly removed from office. <_<

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Hes going to flee to somewhere without extradition.

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FortuneCookie posted...

If there's any danger in November, it's in people not showing up to vote or in Trump finding a way to rig the election. He's not going to turn the US into a dictatorship and remain in office if voted out.

Yeah I know, that is what I said in my OP verbatim. If he loses the vote he's just some lame duck nobody who will be gone in 60 days from NOV...who cares? Just some dude

I ALSO expect a ban from Twitter once he loses.

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like, I have my doubts that there enough shitty republicans in the government to actually support a coup from trump, but he is literally saying he will do it and actively laying the groundwork to do it as we speak

so to act like this is some crazy conspiracy theory is ridiculous

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FortuneCookie posted...

Like I said, the right doesn't have a monopoly on crazy. Though I think it might be fair to say you two were driven crazy by conservatives. So you could technically still tie it back to them if you wanted.

it's dishonest snakery to compare peoples' legitimate fears, based on the president's unabashed admittance of his intentions, to republican outcry over mustard and black people.

TheGoldenEel posted...

like, I have my doubts that there enough shitty republicans in the government to actually support a coup from trump, but he is literally saying he will do it and actively laying the groundwork to do it as we speak

so to act like this is some crazy conspiracy theory is ridiculous

it's straight up gaslighting and it's infuriating

Anyone talking to Trump's administration right now while he is President with lots of power and saying "yes sir, we will absolutely go to a Statewide vote if you lose our great state of Michigan and overturn the popular vote" will all be saying this on Election Night after 10pm:

"Donald Trump? Don't know him, a low level guy in the Administration. Got coffee I think"

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Lysandear posted...

it's dishonest snakery to compare peoples' legitimate fears, based on the president's unabashed admittance of his intentions, to republican outcry over mustard and black people.

No it's not dishonest to call you out as laughable for the belief that the Headline NOV 4th will read

"Old man yells at Cloud - won't leave WH - America now Dictatorship under Viceroy Trump"

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shockthemonkey posted...

Seriously, hes been saying exactly what he plans to do. Theres no need to come up with weird conspiracies. Hes going to sow doubt about the elections results and try to use every dirty trick to get the electoral votes he can to win it, or at least make it contested enough that the power hungry Republican Party backs him 100%. Hes not playing any sophisticated games; people would just rather pretend that we dont have to worry about it because they havent experienced anything like this before.

excuse me, i think what you meant to do was call me crazy and ignore the hundred times it's been pointed out that this is what the president is literally admitting to and attempting

you know, like a smart, sane person would, apparently

Does he even give a fuck? He got what he wanted.

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We literally have a senator who just introduced a bill to explicitly limit how many votes are counted


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lol

if you've paid attention to trump at all over the past 4 years, you'd easily predict he'd say "we'll see" because that is what he always says about fucking everything this isn't even hard and its tiring explaining to people who think trump is an idiot that trump is in fact an idiot. Typical CEO move - leave all options on the table. Stupid as shit to say ...wow fucking shocker trump said something stupid.

i dont understand how you can just ignore facts and act like the smart one. it really makes no sense. we're not just going off of him saying we'll see, he and other officials are supplementing that with action

So TC is for some reason continuing a discussion started two days ago with the posting of this article. Antifar posted it here. I posted it on 261:

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2020/11/what-if-trump-refuses-concede/616424/

If there's a decisive Biden win on Election Night, we will likely avert these "outlandish stories" that TC is talking about. Without a leg to stand on, neither Congress nor the SCOTUS will back him. Trump will refuse to concede (note that this is not a question), but Biden will be sworn in on Inauguration Day.

Problem is this is not a normal election cycle. We're in the midst of a pandemic and an unprecedented amount of mail-in ballots, which will be tallied late. They always are tallied late, and we're going to be getting a LOT more of them this year.

Unless you've been staring at a brick wall for the last several months, you'll know that Trump has been doing everything he can to delegitimize mail-in ballots. He has said in public and very specifically that the result should be declared "on Election Night".

There is a possibility as precincts start reporting that there could be a "red mirage", an appearance that Trump will have more votes going into the close of Election Night. If that happens, then things get interesting, and by interesting, I mean freaking scary.

The Interregnum (the time between Election Day and Inauguration Day) has the potential to be where Trump plays his dirtiest cards, which can include attempting to declare mail-in ballots as fraudulent and not to be counted, which can be done because not all of them are filled correctly. There could be some shit done with electors, which would be influenced by the local legislature and governors.

It's a long article, and there's a long list of things that could happen, some of which Trump has said he will do. Others have been contacted (yes, people who are not Trump), like Republican Party leaders in various states, and none have said that any option is off the table.

So in short, TC is downplaying a legitimate threat.

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Here's a fun question for everyone

let's say the results are fuzzy and we don't quite know who won come january

is it better to keep the incumbent in, or bring the new person in? Let's try and remove ourselves from this election and talk in the abstract so hopefully partisanship goes away here cuz its a somewhat interesting question.

obv either way its a bad situation. but what do you think is the best action to take. Remember, we don't know who is in power in this situation and its all hypothetical.

TheGoldenEel posted...

We literally have a senator who just introduced a bill to explicitly limit how many votes are counted

From OP:
People here thinking there is some "underlying" loyalty to him crack me up - he is their boss and nothing more. They are nice to him because he is their boss.


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From OP:
People here thinking there is some "underlying" loyalty to him crack me up - he is their boss and nothing more. They are nice to him because he is their boss.


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Romes187 posted...

Here's a fun question for everyone

let's say the results are fuzzy and we don't quite know who won come january

is it better to keep the incumbent in, or bring the new person in? Let's try and remove ourselves from this election and talk in the abstract so hopefully partisanship goes away here cuz its a somewhat interesting question.

obv either way its a bad situation. but what do you think is the best action to take. Remember, we don't know who is in power in this situation and its all hypothetical.

The only reason the results would be fuzzy is the incumbent actively using his power to undermine the results of the election (which he is currently doing)

if the results are fuzzy people will literally take to the streets

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the president is not the boss of senators

AFrench2 posted...

From OP:
People here thinking there is some "underlying" loyalty to him crack me up - he is their boss and nothing more. They are nice to him because he is their boss.

From OP:
People here thinking there is some "underlying" loyalty to him crack me up - he is their boss and nothing more. They are nice to him because he is their boss.

They have loyalty to their party and their party only, to think they wouldnt do underhanded bullshit to stay in power is literally just ignoring their history of voter suppression, gerrymandering, etc

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