Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 321: RIP RBG; OMG FML

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It's still amazing to me that people like McSally and Gardner, who have less than a 30% chance of retaining their seats, just run out head first into the fray to support this nomination.

Especially since Colorado is pretty solid blue at this point.

You think they'd at least half-ass try and save their jobs.

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"it affects virtually nobody"

how long until Herman Cain retweets this one

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TheRock1525 posted...

It's still amazing to me that people like McSally and Gardner, who have less than a 30% chance of retaining their seats, just run out head first into the fray to support this nomination.

They know they'll lose, so they'll go down grabbing as much power as they possibly can. Especially McNeverelectedinthefirstplace.

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Grimlyn posted...

how long until Herman Cain retweets this one

too soon :(

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In case you thought ICE couldnt get any worse

https://twitter.com/mattkatz00/status/1308035466470592512?s=21

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TheRock1525 posted...

It's still amazing to me that people like McSally and Gardner, who have less than a 30% chance of retaining their seats, just run out head first into the fray to support this nomination.

Especially since Colorado is pretty solid blue at this point.

You think they'd at least half-ass try and save their jobs.

Is it amazing? Solidifying the Supreme Court for decades or maybe winning re-election, its a no brainer

Taswell posted...

Is it amazing? Solidifying the Supreme Court for decades or maybe winning re-election, its a no brainer

Well theyve sold out every other principle they had to support Trump these past four years out of fear of losing those seats so youd think that maybe they wouldnt want to throw them away now!

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Republicans don't get elected by compromising. They win elections by delivering what they promised.

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LordoftheMorons posted...

Well theyve sold out every other principle they had to support Trump these past four years out of fear of losing those seats so youd think that maybe they wouldnt want to throw them away now!

The 2016 decision was not a principle, that was rank hypocrisy. This decision is principle - they are going to finally deliver what they have promised conservative voters for decades.

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I literally passed out today for a few minutes as a result of blood rushing to my head from being so furious, so I'm going to have to avoid this topic and social media for a while.

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TheRock1525 posted...

It's still amazing to me that people like McSally and Gardner, who have less than a 30% chance of retaining their seats, just run out head first into the fray to support this nomination.

Especially since Colorado is pretty solid blue at this point.

You think they'd at least half-ass try and save their jobs.

They literally are already gonna lose. Why wouldn't they?

That said, they would lose the republican support by not supporting it. Like, why in the world would they cater to liberals when they need independents and conservatives to win their elections?

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Taswell posted...

Is it amazing? Solidifying the Supreme Court for decades or maybe winning re-election, its a no brainer

They could have set themselves up to do both.

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Corrik7 posted...

They literally are already gonna lose. Why wouldn't they?

Gardner's position isn't much worse than 2016 Trumps. I mean, it will be now but a more neutral approach would have helped.

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LordoftheMorons posted...

Well theyve sold out every other principle they had to support Trump these past four years out of fear of losing those seats so youd think that maybe they wouldnt want to throw them away now!

Trump has said hes filling the seat, theyre serving him AND their ideology right now.

Pressuring or focusing on the hypocrisy of filling the seat is pointless and bad strategy, what people should be doing instead is pressuring Democrats to provide what they plan to do about it.

The problem is that if the Dems threaten to kill the filibuster and pack the court, and someone like Susan Collins takes a neutral stance and ultimately votes no when the actual vote comes (since it seems like they'll have the votes anyway), Collins could hang onto Maine and make it nearly impossible for the Dems to grab a Senate majority.

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Good point, maybe shaming Republicans will stop them from being awful this time.

TheRock1525 posted...

The problem is that if the Dems threaten to kill the filibuster and pack the court, and someone like Susan Collins takes a neutral stance and ultimately votes no when the actual vote comes (since it seems like they'll have the votes anyway), Collins could hang onto Maine and make it nearly impossible for the Dems to grab a Senate majority.

50 seats is a majority with the White House and no filibuster!

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Here's all Dems need to do.

Do what the people who elected them want them to do, and fuck over the Republicans hard.

Easy.

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At this point I would not be surprised if the Biden campaign makes a genuine olive branch offer of bipartisanship on the nomination if Republicans wait.

Taswell posted...

At this point I would not be surprised if the Biden campaign makes a genuine olive branch offer of bipartisanship on the nomination if Republicans wait.

And then say 'just kidding' and nominate whoever he wants.

DO IT BIDEN.

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The olive branch should be Merrick Garland

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Not_an_Owl posted...

50 seats is a majority with the White House and no filibuster!

If they don't win Maine, they likely don't take the Senate. They probably settle for taking North Carolina, Colorado, and Arizona while losing Alabama. They could take one of Georgia, Montana, or Iowa but they're all underdogs in those three races, with only Iowa being towards the toss-up area (and trending away from it, sadly).

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I think the only think that could remotely make me reconsider my Biden vote would be him trying to 'reach across the aisle'.

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DoomTheGyarados posted...

And then say 'just kidding' and nominate whoever he wants.

DO IT BIDEN.

Thatd be fantastic, but his history says hed be seriousand current Trumpified Republicans wouldnt accept it anyway.

https://tinyurl.com/ycqb48kv

lmao

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I believe Biden said in a recent speech that there would be consequences if Republicans jammed in a SC justice before or after the election. And he's also on record supporting statehood for Puerto Rico and DC.

I don't think he'll agree to packing the courts, though, but he may change his mind on the filibuster.

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TheRock1525 posted...

I believe Biden said in a recent speech that there would be consequences if Republicans jammed in a SC justice before or after the election. And he's also on record supporting statehood for Puerto Rico and DC.

I don't think he'll agree to packing the courts, though, but he may change his mind on the filibuster.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/07/14/joe-biden-2020-filibuster-360587

I mean...

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DoomTheGyarados posted...

And then say 'just kidding' and nominate whoever he wants.

DO IT BIDEN.

BAH GAWD THAT'S AOC'S MUSIC

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If Biden wins and the Democrats somehow take the Senate, they need to ram through every possible goddamn thing they can without regard to a single opinion from the GOP. Anything less is a disservice to this country. It's already going to take decades to revert all the damages, and that's assuming Trump is contained to four years.

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How difficult would it conceivably be for Congress to grant DC statehood if both the Senate and House are Dem controlled?

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It is my understanding that if they are ok with just completing nuking the filibuster, it would be fairly trivial.

I don't think they're taking the senate though. And if they did you would need people like Machin/Sinema to go along with it.

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Corrik7 posted...

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/07/14/joe-biden-2020-filibuster-360587

I mean...

His attitude still is bipartisanship first. If he wins and the Dems take the Senate, they might opt to kill it right away.

Keep in mind they don't even have to kill it to turn DC and Puerto Rico into states, and that would be a bigger gain long term than even a SC seat.

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It really annoys me that DC statehood is framed as a partisan issue (though, yeah, obviously I understand the partisan consequences). There's just no rational excuse for disenfranchising DC's residents.

(Also a lot of the arguments Republicans make against it boil down to "DC's residents aren't responsible enough to govern themselves unlike the real Americans of Wyoming or wherever" which sounds kind of racist in the context of DC being majority minority!)

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LordoftheMorons posted...

It really annoys me that DC statehood is framed as a partisan issue (though, yeah, obviously I understand the partisan consequences). There's just no rational excuse for disenfranchising DC's residents.

(Also a lot of the arguments Republicans make against it boil down to "DC's residents aren't responsible enough to govern themselves unlike the real Americans of Wyoming or wherever" which sounds kind of racist in the context of DC being majority minority!)

In most countries, the capital becomes disproportionately powerful compared to the rest of the country. Look at Paris, London, Beijing, Moscow, Tokyo, etc. The US avoids it by denying representation to the capital.

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LordoftheMorons posted...

Also a lot of the arguments Republicans make against it boil down to "DC's residents aren't responsible enough to govern themselves unlike the real Americans of Wyoming or wherever"

I've never heard this argument (thankfully). All I've heard is the same tired crap about the land area being too small to justify statehood, which is unsurprising from a group who still value land and land ownership over people.

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I mean we all know bipartisanship won't work. It seems likely they will waste at of time making a big show of attempted bipartisanship then go "welp we tried" and then nuke the filibuster.

The alternatives are they either pass terrible compromise bills or literally nothing at all. Which, I wouldn't put pass the Dems but even they have to realize how terrible that would be for them.

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Also, can I just say that as a personal anecdote that at work the past two days, I've seen far more Joe Biden hats and shirts than Trump stuff? Including a literal parade of cars driving by my work with Biden signs on the side of them?

And I live in central Florida.

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I posted about this before, but there's a disaster waiting to happen in PA with secrecy envelopes:

https://www.inquirer.com/politics/election/pennsylvania-naked-ballots-supreme-court-philadelphia-20200921.html

In last Novembers municipal election under the old absentee system 197 out of 3,086 absentee ballots in Philadelphia lacked secrecy envelopes. Thats 6.4%, and Deeley said that number will be even higher this year. People who voted absentee under the old system in a municipal general election in deeply Democratic Philadelphia are more likely to be highly engaged voters. And people are more likely to make mistakes when using a voting method for the first time.
For a lot of people, this is going to be their first experience voting by mail, said Delaware County Councilwoman Christine Reuther. They didnt vote absentee, they didnt vote in the primary, and this whole thing is going to seem really strange to them.
About 5% of mail ballots returned in Mercer County, north of Pittsburgh, were thrown out in the primary for not having a secrecy envelope. Almost half of total rejected votes were naked ballots, making it the single largest reason for discounting votes.
Its a significant number based on the recent history of the closeness of elections in Pennsylvania, said Jeff Greenburg, who stepped down as Mercer Countys elections director at the end of July.

The state legislature could fix it and let the naked ballots be counted, but it's controlled by Republicans so I highly doubt that's happening. Hopefully a public education campaign can mitigate it, but if Biden narrowly loses PA this might very well be the reason.

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What the fuck is Pennsylvania doing? In Washington state if you forget the secrecy envelope we count your ballot anyway, we don't care, the directions even explicitly say "if you don't use the secrecy envelope your vote will still be counted"

like come the fuck on get with it other states

Paratroopa1 posted...

What the fuck is Pennsylvania doing? In Washington state if you forget the secrecy envelope we count your ballot anyway, we don't care, the directions even explicitly say "if you don't use the secrecy envelope your vote will still be counted"

like come the fuck on get with it other states

That's what they had been doing, but the Trump campaign sued to invalidate those votes

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christ I hate this fascist shithole

TheRock1525 posted...

Also, can I just say that as a personal anecdote that at work the past two days, I've seen far more Joe Biden hats and shirts than Trump stuff? Including a literal parade of cars driving by my work with Biden signs on the side of them?

And I live in central Florida.

I expected RBG's death to galvanize the GOP by giving them a win, but as far as I can tell that effect has been dwarfed by the number of Democrats who are supremely pissed off. It's honestly the most upset I've seen the base in the last four years, which is saying something.

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It makes me mad that dems aren't already galvanized

Me too but I can also give them some slack. It's hard to be mad for four years straight. Takes a lot out of you.

I judge the people still going 'same shit different sides' enlightened centrist types far, far more harshly. Facism-enabling cowards.

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Democratic senators are already saying they won't support packing the court.

Republicans deserve this country tbh

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And Im back.

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TheRock1525 posted...

His attitude still is bipartisanship first. If he wins and the Dems take the Senate, they might opt to kill it right away.

Keep in mind they don't even have to kill it to turn DC and Puerto Rico into states, and that would be a bigger gain long term than even a SC seat.

I love when the framing is a political gain.

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LordoftheMorons posted...

Just an absolutely awful human being

https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1308209927274536961?s=21

...you'd have to be motherfucking dense to vote for trump at this point.

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Bloomberg is paying off FL fines/court fees:

https://twitter.com/philiprucker/status/1308369679266787334?s=21

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Corrik7 posted...

I love when the framing is a political gain.

And why should Rock be held to a higher standard than literal United States Senators?

If they are going to twist themselves into knots to justify the supreme court nomination after "setting the precedent" in 2016, I fail to see Rock wanting PR and DC statehood as being a terrible thing. Especially since there are very compelling non-political reasons for them to warrant statehood as well.

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