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Tyranthraxus
09/14/20 7:18:12 PM
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LordFarquad1312 posted...
"BuT thE cCp is EutHanizIng MusLImS"

Why are we giving the USA a free pass again?

In fact, since the CCP disappears dissenters, it makes sense for the populace not to rise against them. What is the excuse for the "land of the free and the home of the brave"?

We are not only protesting against this shit (illegal in China) but we've already elected people to Congress who are actively fighting against this like AOC who has otherwise voted against good bills because they continued to fund this garbage.

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Proto_Spark
09/14/20 7:22:58 PM
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holy **** I didn't even know the ICE detention centres were still around. I thought they had kind of died down after the news surrounding it slowed down. Is it still the people from like 2 years ago?

Why haven't we done anything yet?
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Ruvan22
09/14/20 7:33:56 PM
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I'm sorry Antifar - I followed you because I liked reading your posts, but this is just too depressing...
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IShall_Run_Amok
09/14/20 7:42:31 PM
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monkmith posted...
...so we are as bad as the chinese...
Always have been.

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WingsOfGood
09/14/20 8:54:26 PM
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thronedfire2 posted...
uhh..normal surgeries are expensive because they're done in hospitals, not internment camps.

I'm sure if you needed your appendix out they'd take it on the cheap

Wonder what doctor is doing these dirt cheap and without anesthesia.

Tbh this sounds like a liberal version of qanon.
I don't see any legit news source reporting it.
Just like the daily beast.

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Bishop9800
09/14/20 9:44:53 PM
#60:


WingsOfGood posted...
Tbh this sounds like a liberal version of qanon.
I don't see any legit news source reporting it.
Just like the daily beast.


https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/ice-nurse-revealed-georgia-detention-215816246.html

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Tyranthraxus
09/14/20 9:47:12 PM
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WingsOfGood posted...
Wonder what doctor is doing these dirt cheap and without anesthesia.

Tbh this sounds like a liberal version of qanon.
I don't see any legit news source reporting it.
Just like the daily beast.

What's a legitimate news source?

Serious question.

Is it any of these?

https://theintercept.com/2020/09/14/ice-detention-center-nurse-whistleblower/

Or

https://www.ajc.com/news/whistleblower-blasts-georgia-immigration-detention-centers-covid-19-response/G32IMGY3CBHRZF5G32GCNE6L5E/

Or

https://www.vice.com/amp/en_us/article/93578d/staggering-number-of-hysterectomies-happening-at-ice-facility-whistleblower-say

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ScazarMeltex
09/14/20 9:47:18 PM
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I came in here tonight to make a topic about his, but topic searched and found this. People need see this shit is happening. This is literal Nazi shit. Everyone involved in this needs to go down. Hard.

People need to remember that the Nazis didn't start with mass murders. They started small with shit like this. When people started dying and local law enforcement looked into it (this was before the Nazis had a stranglehold on provincial governments and complete control of law enforcement) and we transferred then killed. The following is from the wiki on Dachau. It breaks down the entire situation pretty well. I've read a ton of the stuff it's sourced from, it's pretty fucking grim stuff. Rise and Fall of the Third Reich gets into a ton of this stuff as well.

Shortly after the SS was commissioned to supplement the Bavarian police overseeing the Dachau camp, the first reports of prisoner deaths at Dachau began to emerge. In April 1933, Josef Hartinger, an official from the Bavarian Justice Ministry and physician Moritz Flamm, part-time medical examiner, arrived at the camp to investigate the deaths in accordance with the Bavarian penal code. They noted many inconsistencies between the injuries on the corpses and the camp guards' accounts of the deaths. Over a number of months, Hartinger and Flamm uncovered clear evidence of murder and compiled a dossier of charges against Hilmar Wckerle, the SS commandant of Dachau, Werner Nrnbergk the camp doctor and Josef Mutzbauer, the camp's chief administrator. In June 1933, Hartinger presented the case to his superior, Bavarian State Prosecutor, Karl Wintersberger. Initially supportive of the investigation, Wintersberger became reluctant to submit the resulting indictment to the Justice Ministry, increasingly under the influence of the SS. Hartinger reduced the scope of the dossier to the four clearest cases and Wintersberger signed it, after first notifying Himmler as a courtesy. The killings at Dachau suddenly stopped (temporarily), Wckerle was transferred to Stuttgart and replaced by Theodor Eicke. The indictment and related evidence reached the office of Hans Frank, the Bavarian Justice Minister, but was intercepted by Gauleiter Adolf Wagner and locked away in a desk only to be discovered by the US Army. In 1934, both Hartinger and Wintersberger were transferred to provincial positions. Dr. Flamm was no longer employed as a medical examiner and was to survive two attempts on his life before his suspicious death in the same year. Flamm's thoroughly gathered and documented evidence within Hartiger's indictment ensured that it achieved convictions of senior Nazis at the Nrnberg trials in 1947. Wintersberger's complicit behaviour is documented in his own evidence to the Pohl Trial.

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-Unowninator-
09/14/20 9:56:59 PM
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God fucking damnit! Why can't we just destroy these places? I'd love to do it, if I were actually able.
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WingsOfGood
09/14/20 10:00:50 PM
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Machete
09/14/20 10:02:41 PM
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Poop2 posted...

trump is a criminal

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Tyranthraxus
09/14/20 10:05:13 PM
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WingsOfGood posted...
Never heard of the first two. Wouldn't really call Vice a legit news source lol.

Ajc is the most respected southern newspaper. They're like the new York times of the south.

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ScazarMeltex
09/14/20 10:06:45 PM
#67:


Tyranthraxus posted...
Ajc is the most respected southern newspaper. They're like the new York times of the south.
Stop responding to that dude. He is clearly intellectually dishonest and not engaging in good faith.

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WingsOfGood
09/14/20 10:10:48 PM
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ScazarMeltex posted...
Stop responding to that dude. He is clearly intellectually dishonest and not engaging in good faith.

Wait for sources other than vice is bad faith? Surely you don't get your news from Vice.

Btw guardian just got in on this. They would be a good source.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/sep/14/ice-detainees-hysterectomies-medical-neglect-irwin-georgia
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ScazarMeltex
09/14/20 10:11:44 PM
#69:


WingsOfGood posted...
Wait for sources other than vice is bad faith? Surely you don't get your news from Vice.

Btw guardian just got in on this. They would be a good source.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/sep/14/ice-detainees-hysterectomies-medical-neglect-irwin-georgia
I'm not really interested in taking you seriously since you asked for real sources but didn't know what AJC was.

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WingsOfGood
09/14/20 10:14:42 PM
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ScazarMeltex posted...
I'm not really interested in taking you seriously since you asked for real sources but didn't know what AJC was.

Weird gatekeeping. That not a source I ever seen used on gamefaqs before.

Edit: did a google search and it seems to be used on politics board which I stay away from. Guess you like to troll there.
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Tactical_Spork
09/14/20 10:18:40 PM
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Defending our downplaying this should be bannable.

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Pus_N_Pecans
09/14/20 10:20:33 PM
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mrgoatthief posted...
guys please i don't want to google
If you're serious, it's the removal of the uterus. This information is also in the opening post though.

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StarReaper13
09/14/20 10:23:13 PM
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PoundGarden posted...
You dont honestly think Trump chuggers give any shits about "furners" being cut up against their will do you?
"Shouldna broken th LAW and come over here th RAHT way!!! TRUMP 2020 !!!"
His hardcore supporters will be in favor of this

"NoW tHeY cAn'T hAvE aNcHoR bAbIeS"

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IMNOTRAGED
09/14/20 10:23:42 PM
#76:


mrgoatthief posted...
guys please i don't want to google

It's literally in the article

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Darkraiomb
09/14/20 10:23:44 PM
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mrgoatthief posted...
guys please i don't want to google
Then I'll do it for you: https://lmgtfy.com/?q=What+are+hysterectomies

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Bishop9800
09/14/20 10:29:24 PM
#78:


WingsOfGood posted...


Basically atm only vice and daily beast are recognizable sources.

I would wait for something like USAToday or CNN to pick it up before freaking out.
Otherwise you might very well be conned.

once again.......
https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/ice-nurse-revealed-georgia-detention-215816246.html

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Zikten
09/14/20 10:33:17 PM
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This is sickening
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WingsOfGood
09/14/20 10:40:40 PM
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Bishop9800 posted...
once again.......
https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/ice-nurse-revealed-georgia-detention-215816246.html

Yahoo doesn't write articles, it reposts them. Click your link and it says where it is from. Refinery29.
Fyi, yahoo also has reposted conservative propaganda before.

But like I said, The Guardian is a good source and they picked this one up.
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Rikiaz
09/14/20 10:43:04 PM
#81:


Kaliesto posted...
Saw this on 261; This could get ICE canned.
SHOULD this should get ICE canned. But who knows what will actually happen. Probably nothing.

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Questionmarktarius
09/14/20 11:35:44 PM
#82:


Rikiaz posted...
SHOULD this should get ICE canned. But who knows what will actually happen. Probably nothing.
Same thing that happened to INS, and the Bureau of Immigration before that.
Shuffle some bureaucrats around, change the acronym, and pretend it's different somehow.
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au_gold
09/15/20 12:46:51 AM
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This is sick.

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Zeeak4444
09/15/20 2:14:51 AM
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@WingsOfGood posted...
Yahoo doesn't write articles, it reposts them. Click your link and it says where it is from. Refinery29.
Fyi, yahoo also has reposted conservative propaganda before.

But like I said, The Guardian is a good source and they picked this one up.

here, since you seem to have hours to cry on CE but cant take the two minutes to run a simple check on them I did it for you:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/mediabiasfactcheck.com/atlanta-journal-constitution/%3famp

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Geisterdrache
09/15/20 2:18:35 AM
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Move on from the sources, focus on the genocide

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indica
09/15/20 2:20:55 AM
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Smashingpmkns posted...
This is fucking awful.


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scar the 1
09/15/20 2:32:34 AM
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monkeysRfunny posted...
Isnt China harvesting organs and slaughtering Muslims? So yeah I would think abominable fits rather than worse than China.
It's not like the US are slaughtering any Muslims right?

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YugiNoob
09/15/20 2:38:23 AM
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scar the 1 posted...
It's not like the US are slaughtering any Muslims right?
What in the...do you honestly think that you can compare China and the US when it comes to their treatment of Muslims? Even Trump hasn't thrown 1 million+ Muslims into concentration camps.

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Rathinor
09/15/20 2:51:48 AM
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So Donald Trump lets almost 200 thousand Americans die so he can keep having rallies, calls our military personnel "losers and suckers" and has literal concentration camps running literal Nazi shit and he STILL has an almost 50/50 shot of reelection?

What the FUCK is wrong with this country?
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scar the 1
09/15/20 2:58:25 AM
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YugiNoob posted...
What in the...do you honestly think that you can compare China and the US when it comes to their treatment of Muslims? Even Trump hasn't thrown 1 million+ Muslims into concentration camps.
Uh, yeah? Not only have the US waged several wars in the Middle-East, they're also backing the Saudis' slaughter of Yemeni people (Muslims) and the Israeli apartheid state. China's treatment of the Uighurs is obviously horrific and repugnant but the US probably has the worst track record in the world when it comes to killing Muslims, to the point where Hollywood fetishises it. Any sympathy for the Muslims rings really fucking hollow if you pretend that the US aren't bombing Muslim civilians and actively support wealthy oil states like Saudi Arabia doing massacres and building huge luxury cities with literal slave labor

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YugiNoob
09/15/20 3:12:42 AM
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scar the 1 posted...
Uh, yeah? Not only have the US waged several wars in the Middle-East, they're also backing the Saudis' slaughter of Yemeni people (Muslims) and the Israeli apartheid state. China's treatment of the Uighurs is obviously horrific and repugnant but the US probably has the worst track record in the world when it comes to killing Muslims, to the point where Hollywood fetishises it. Any sympathy for the Muslims rings really fucking hollow if you pretend that the US aren't bombing Muslim civilians and actively support wealthy oil states like Saudi Arabia doing massacres and building huge luxury cities with literal slave labor
Then I suppose we would have to agree to disagree, because I would consider the ways people are tortured, harvested, and killed in China to be far worse than the sheer number of those killed by the US. "Quality" over quantity, in a terrible sort of way.

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scar the 1
09/15/20 3:20:00 AM
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That's a pretty fucking horrendous distinction to make but ok

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YugiNoob
09/15/20 3:25:04 AM
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scar the 1 posted...
That's a pretty fucking horrendous distinction to make but ok
I would just rather have myself and all my immediate family killed in an explosion than just one or two of them have to endure the continued atrocities of one of those internment camps. But you can just stay judgmental and push your own opinion on others; I've noticed that that's all you seem to do. "I don't agree with you so you're wrong".

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monkeysRfunny
09/15/20 3:27:29 AM
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Yeah, I've been reading up on those camps, and sign me up for the family wipe out-age over the torture.

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Ving_Rhames
09/15/20 3:29:38 AM
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Trumps America

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scar the 1
09/15/20 3:32:03 AM
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So, what I did further up was suggest that when it comes to "slaughtering Muslims" the US is the world leader. Which they are. I'm not really interested in "which manner of slaughter is worse" because I don't think Muslims should be slaughtered. And the fact is that the US are slaughtering a lot of Muslims.

Which relates to this topic in the sense that a lot of people seem to think that this latest revelation of mass hysterectomies is "so bad it could be China or the Nazis", while actually, the US has always been so bad it could be China or the Nazis. It's already been pointed out ITT that the Nazis modeled a bunch of their atrocities after American examples.

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monkeysRfunny
09/15/20 3:38:35 AM
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scar the 1 posted...
So, what I did further up was suggest that when it comes to "slaughtering Muslims" the US is the world leader. Which they are. I'm not really interested in "which manner of slaughter is worse" because I don't think Muslims should be slaughtered. And the fact is that the US are slaughtering a lot of Muslims.

Which relates to this topic in the sense that a lot of people seem to think that this latest revelation of mass hysterectomies is "so bad it could be China or the Nazis", while actually, the US has always been so bad it could be China or the Nazis. It's already been pointed out ITT that the Nazis modeled a bunch of their atrocities after American examples.
My post was in response to another post about the treatment of Muslims. So you shouldn't have even replied in the first place then.

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scar the 1
09/15/20 3:42:44 AM
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monkeysRfunny posted...
My post was in response to another post about the treatment of Muslims. So you shouldn't have even replied in the first place then.
So you're fine with taking the stance that "China are much worse because they torture Muslims before killing them, the US just destroys their countries and funds their genocide"?

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monkeysRfunny
09/15/20 3:50:18 AM
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scar the 1 posted...
So you're fine with taking the stance that "China are much worse because they torture Muslims before killing them, the US just destroys their countries and funds their genocide"?
I'm fine with "America is bad, China is worse".

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scar the 1
09/15/20 3:52:06 AM
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Alright then, I still think that's a pretty bad distinction but you do you

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monkeysRfunny
09/15/20 3:53:58 AM
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Alrighty then

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Tyranthraxus
09/15/20 3:55:18 AM
#102:


monkeysRfunny posted...
I'm fine with "America is bad, China is worse".

This is like, the Qanon logic here.

A group of loathsome assholes, in order to justify their own existence, declare that they're not as bad as the cult of satanic baby rapists that they're trying to fight.

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monkeysRfunny
09/15/20 3:58:45 AM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
This is like, the Qanon logic here.

A group of loathsome assholes, in order to justify their own existence, declare that they're not as bad as the cult of satanic baby rapists that they're trying to fight.
Except I'm not trying to justify my (or in this case America's) existence. I'm not passing it off to lighten any well-justified criticism. All I said was that I felt that China treated Muslims worse in response to someone who said otherwise.

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