Poll of the Day > Louisville Police now says that BREONNA TAYLOR was a DRUG TRAFFICKER!!!

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Mayor Greg Fischer is OUTRAGED after a leak in a police memo that says "new" information on the botched no knock raid that killed EMT Breonna Taylor where it now says new evidence obtained in a search warrant and written WEEKS AFTER her death state that she had links to the "main" target of the narcotics probe that prompted the warrant in the first place...that being her EX BOYFRIEND, Jamarcus Glover!!

Critics have accused the police of leaking the memo in a effort to smear Taylor and justify the raid

Greg says "Breonna Taylor's death was a tragedy. It is deeply reckless for this information which represents only a small fraction of the entire investigation to be shared with the media wile the criminal process remains ongoing"

These details were not provided to the judge in a search warrant along with evidence that came to light after her death and does not mention anything about the use of deadly force or whether they violated policy

The 26 y/o was shot 8 times while sleeping in her bed with Kenneth Walker when 3 plain clothes officer executed a no knock arrest at her apartment

Outrage continues over her death who demand justice as Taylor does not have a criminal record but as she had known the convicted drug dealer, Glover since 2016 as Police beleived she had DRUGS or money in her apartment..neither which was there

Glover was already arrested at his home 10 miles away and taken into custody before the raid at her address

The 30 y/o broke his silence and said she had no connection to illegal drug activity as he REFUSED to state that Breonna had something to do with drug trafficking in a plea deal to give him less time

Glover said "The police are trying to make it out to be my fault and turning the whole community out here, making it look like i brought this to her door".

Whose side are you on?

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say she was.

how does that change anything?

She was an EMT, so she literally was a defacto drug trafficker...

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Fam_Fam posted...

say she was.

how does that change anything?

Obviously, that means the cops had an obligation to execute her on sight, excusing them from any sort of responsibility to follow due process.

Who cares, stop making drug trafficking illegal, drugs illegal etc. Freaking stop throwing people in jail for things that don't endanger other people!!!

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Glover was already arrested at his home 10 miles away and taken into custody before the raid at her address. The 30 y/o broke his silence and said she had no connection to illegal drug activity as he REFUSED to state that Breonna had something to do with drug trafficking in a plea deal to give him less time

Just trying to smear the innocent woman they murdered in order to sway public opinion.

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wolfy42 posted...

Who cares, stop making drug trafficking illegal, drugs illegal etc. Freaking stop throwing people in jail for things that don't endanger other people!!!

But then how will the corporations get cheap labor?

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Zareth posted...

But then how will the corporations get cheap labor?

maybe the prisoners should form a union... I mean, they have majority stake so they probably can outvote anything

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Inexcusable. Intolerable. Unforgivable.

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Obviously she must have had a gun or a knife under the covers. They had no choice.

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Obviously the cops are lying.
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Full Throttle posted...

The 30 y/o broke his silence and said she had no connection to illegal drug activity as he REFUSED to state that Breonna had something to do with drug trafficking in a plea deal to give him less time

Can anyone explain to me why we can't charge the DA's here with corruption and obstruction of justice? They are literally trying to make this man say a false statement to smear this woman and presumably help the officers escape justice for murdering her.

Holy hell this corruption is so out in the open and no one will do anything about it.

BlackScythe0 posted...

Can anyone explain to me why we can't charge the DA's here with corruption and obstruction of justice? They are literally trying to make this man say a false statement to smear this woman and presumably help the officers escape justice for murdering her.

Holy hell this corruption is so out in the open and no one will do anything about it.

While I'll admit the intentions were probably corrupt, it's not surface level.

Theoretically, if she was involved, he could have refused because he's not a snitch, not because of police coercion to make a false statement.

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BlackScythe0 posted...

Can anyone explain to me why we can't charge the DA's here with corruption and obstruction of justice? They are literally trying to make this man say a false statement to smear this woman and presumably help the officers escape justice for murdering her.

Holy hell this corruption is so out in the open and no one will do anything about it.

If it wasn't for public pressure her boyfriend would be in prison for attempted murder. As far as they're concerned the cruelty is the point.

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BlackScythe0 posted...

Can anyone explain to me why we can't charge the DA's here with corruption and obstruction of justice? They are literally trying to make this man say a false statement to smear this woman and presumably help the officers escape justice for murdering her.

Holy hell this corruption is so out in the open and no one will do anything about it.

I don't know the details, but basically you need a (willing and able) prosecutor to file an indictment with a grand jury, and for the grand jury to accept it.

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BlackScythe0 posted...

Can anyone explain to me why we can't charge the DA's here with corruption and obstruction of justice? They are literally trying to make this man say a false statement to smear this woman and presumably help the officers escape justice for murdering her.

Holy hell this corruption is so out in the open and no one will do anything about it.

because they probably said something like "Just so you know, if she was involved, and you cooperated and provide testimony to that effect, then we could give you a good deal. Maybe you'd get probation instead of 10 years...keep that in mind. *turns on recording* So, back to our conversation, you've already admitted that you were trafficking drugs. Was Ms. Taylor involved at all in that operation? Yes...could you tell us more about her involvement?"

they aren't instructing them to lie. they are just saying that such a statement would be very good for them, if it were true...

Humans were using the wrong chemicals to alter their state of mind?

Not on my watch! Get 'em boys!

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Fam_Fam posted...

because they probably said something like "Just so you know, if she was involved, and you cooperated and provide testimony to that effect, then we could give you a good deal. Maybe you'd get probation instead of 10 years...keep that in mind. *turns on recording* So, back to our conversation, you've already admitted that you were trafficking drugs. Was Ms. Taylor involved at all in that operation? Yes...could you tell us more about her involvement?"

they aren't instructing them to lie. they are just saying that such a statement would be very good for them, if it were true...

We don't know exactly what was said in the conversation, but we do know they are trying to make a deal for no clear reason. They have no reason to suspect she was involved, and yet they are trying to give him a deal to say a dead woman did something, a "victimless lie"

Full Throttle posted...

Mayor Greg Fischer is OUTRAGED after a leak in a police memo that says "new" information on the botched no knock raid that killed EMT Breonna Taylor where it now says new evidence obtained in a search warrant and written WEEKS AFTER her death state that she had links to the "main" target of the narcotics probe that prompted the warrant in the first place...that being her EX BOYFRIEND, Jamarcus Glover!!

Police beleived she had DRUGS or money in her apartment..neither which was there

Gee, sounds like she was pretty bad at that supposed drug trafficking thing, then, doesn't it?

BlackScythe0 posted...

Can anyone explain to me why we can't charge the DA's here with corruption and obstruction of justice? They are literally trying to make this man say a false statement to smear this woman and presumably help the officers escape justice for murdering her.

Holy hell this corruption is so out in the open and no one will do anything about it.

Prosecutorial immunity.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prosecutorial_immunity

Prosecutorial immunity is the absolute immunity that prosecutors in the United States have in initiating a prosecution and presenting the state's case. "Firming up what had long been held as common practice, the U.S. Supreme Court in 1976 ruled in Imbler v. Pachtman that prosecutors cannot face civil lawsuits for prosecutorial abuses, no matter how severe." Prosecutors have qualified immunity in other activities such as advising police and speaking to the press

https://www.themarshallproject.org/2018/03/13/let-s-put-an-end-to-prosecutorial-immunity

Jabbar Collins languished in jail for over 16 years for a murder he apparently never committed. He was only freed a few years ago when it was revealed at a post-conviction hearing that the main witness at his trial had told the prosecutor that he was pressured by police to lie about Collins involvement in the murder.
The prosecutor, representing the Brooklyn District Attorneys office, never shared that information with Collins lawyeran egregious violation of the law, which requires the government to inform the defense of any exculpatory evidence. At the hearing, the judge who tossed out Collins conviction called the conduct of the prosecutor and the DAs office shameful and a tragedy.

After Collins was released, he brought a civil case seeking monetary damages against his prosecutor, the district attorney, and the City of New York. I was the judge who drew that case. I held that the City could be held liable for its misdeeds but I had to dismiss the case against the prosecutor and district attorney on the grounds of prosecutorial immunity. In my decision, I quoted the binding circuit court precedent I was duty-bound to follow.
According to Taylor v. Kavanagh, based upon Supreme Court law, The falsification of evidence and the coercion of witnesses...have been held to be prosecutorial activities for which absolute immunity applies. Similarly, because a prosecutor is acting as an advocate in a judicial proceeding, the solicitation and subornation of perjured testimony, the withholding of evidence, or the introduction of illegally-seized evidence at trial does not create liability in damages.
The law goes on to say that the rationale for this approach is sound, for these protected activities, while deplorable, involve decisions of judgment affecting the course of a prosecution.

It's fucking ridiculous and shouldn't exist, but it's going to take strong legislative action to end it. Basically, the DA can do whatever the fuck s/he wants in pursuit of a conviction no matter how flagrantly illegal, and never be held legally responsible for said actions, due to the immunity.
And yes, this is (at least as far as "Western Democracies" / "First World Countries" go) a uniquely "American thing".

^What the actual true fuck..

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streamofthesky posted...

It's fucking ridiculous and shouldn't exist, but it's going to take strong legislative action to end it. Basically, the DA can do whatever the fuck s/he wants in pursuit of a conviction no matter how flagrantly illegal, and never be held legally responsible for said actions, due to the immunity.
And yes, this is (at least as far as "Western Democracies" / "First World Countries" go) a uniquely "American thing".

it does sound terrible, but from the sound of it it only applies to civil lawsuits, or does it? can they not still be convicted of a crime? "absolute immunity" sounds like it's just protection for government officials from being sued into oblivion, which might make some sense.

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Sahuagin posted...

it does sound terrible, but from the sound of it it only applies to civil lawsuits, or does it? can they not still be convicted of a crime? "absolute immunity" sounds like it's just protection for government officials from being sued into oblivion, which might make some sense.

Civil liability has a lower bar for success than criminal liability (which for good reason assumes innocence until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt). Which is why you'll see people not get convicted of the crime but still have to pay out in civil court for the same alleged wrongdoing later, afterwards. The bar for that is lower, just that guilt is likely or apparent, without the requirement of a preponderance of evidence.

I admit the sources I find only mention civil liability, but I don't see how someone could be criminally liable but NOT civilly liable when the latter has a lower bar for success. And I've never seen a prosecutor get sent to jail for how s/he handled a trial.

They tried to cut a deal with her ex boyfriend to implicate her in drug dealing but he refused and filed a misconduct lawsuit against the Louisville PD.

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BUMPED2002 posted...

They tried to cut a deal with her ex boyfriend to implicate her in drug dealing but he refused and filed a misconduct lawsuit against the Louisville PD.

They were also attempting to pin her murder on her current BF that thought they were under home invasion and attempted to defend them w/ his gun, iirc.
Felony murder, where you don't even have to be the one that killed the victim, merely the one who "initiated" a crime leading to someone getting killed.
I think the police dropped it under immense public backlash, but he was languishing in prison for a while probably expecting to get railroaded into a lengthy sentence for a crime he didn't commit.

streamofthesky posted...

They were also attempting to pin her murder on her current BF that thought they were under home invasion and attempted to defend them w/ his gun, iirc.
Felony murder, where you don't even have to be the one that killed the victim, merely the one who "initiated" a crime leading to someone getting killed.

Remember, if armed strangers in civilian clothing break into your home in the middle of the night, you shouldn't do anything to protect or defend yourself or escape from them because they might secretly be police officers that have done nothing to identify themselves and are legitimately trying to arrest you and totally won't hurt you if you're fully compliant with everything they say.

This whole thing is so absurd. That entire chain of command belongs in jail.

_AdjI_ posted...

Remember, if armed strangers in civilian clothing break into your home in the middle of the night, you shouldn't do anything to protect or defend yourself or escape from them because they might secretly be police officers that have done nothing to identify themselves and are legitimately trying to arrest you and totally won't hurt you if you're fully compliant with everything they say.

Unless you're a white cop. Then just fire straight through the door at will.

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keyblader1985 posted...

Unless you're a white cop. Then just fire straight through the door at will.

Oh, it goes without saying that cops don't have to comply with any such instructions. Duh.

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streamofthesky posted...

They were also attempting to pin her murder on her current BF that thought they were under home invasion and attempted to defend them w/ his gun, iirc.
Felony murder, where you don't even have to be the one that killed the victim, merely the one who "initiated" a crime leading to someone getting killed.
I think the police dropped it under immense public backlash, but he was languishing in prison for a while probably expecting to get railroaded into a lengthy sentence for a crime he didn't commit.

They probably wouldn't have dropped it if he had actually killed any of them even with public backlash.
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Revelation34 posted...

They probably wouldn't have dropped it if he had actually killed any of them even with public backlash.

If he had killed any of them he would not have lived

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Revelation34 posted...

They probably wouldn't have dropped it if he had actually killed any of them even with public backlash.

Probably not.
But this was extra egregious b/c they were trying to pin HER death on him. That he "instigated" the police shooting and thus her death is his fault.

funny how no one picking the first option posted in the actual topic you cowards

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TheSlinja posted...

funny how no one picking the first option posted in the actual topic you cowards

Probably afraid of getting modded for letting their hate opinions out.

TheSlinja posted...

funny how no one picking the first option posted in the actual topic you cowards

Probably mostly troll votes with like 2 or 3 serious ones

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More patheitic excuses.

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