Poll of the Day > imagine how crazy the riots will be if Trump wins

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imagine how crazy the riots would be if Trump loses.

Either way America is ******

If he wins you wont see riots, youll see a full blown revolt

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im heading back to the indian reservation during the election. yall do what yall gonna do.

I'd say I'm moving to Canada, but...

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Mead posted...

If he wins you wont see riots, youll see a full blown revolt

It's cute that you believe that.
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I don't really imagine we'll see riots either way. You'll probably see a protest march or two (and it's funny that pundits, SJWs, etc, have attacked Trump for not honoring the day of the Women's March when it was largely created and timed to disrespect him) if Trump wins again -- and honestly, I think that's going to become a thing when *any* Republican wins now because people saw they could get media coverage with their grievances -- but but I doubt you'll see even that if Biden wins.

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ParanoidObsessive posted...

It's cute that you believe that.

mark my words

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when* he wins
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Zeus posted...

I don't really imagine we'll see riots either way.

I mean, there wouldn't riots in the sense that the news reporting in front of a smoldering city isn't a riot either.

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I wouldn't expect much by way of riots if Trump loses. The occasional heavily-armed group occupying some sort of public space for a time to "peacefully demonstrate their rights" without actually doing anything or having any reason to fear how police might respond to such actions because reasons, but probably not many riots. Most of the people supporting him don't actually care about him being president, they just care about "triggering the libs," and they can do that just as well with no effort by doing nothing.

Now, Trump himself? That's going to be a truly spectacular temper tantrum. Bonus points if Twitter bans him and triggers an even greater meltdown.

Mead posted...

mark my words

I'll mark them like I've marked all the other people who've said they'd riot or leave the country if [insert candidate here] won over the last 20 years or so.

Or like the protests from a few months ago that have already more or less burned out, in spite of all the people swearing they never would and how they were going to totally change the world this time.

After a few decades of living though this sort of thing, you start to get a bit more blase about it. People always scream and holler and complain, right up to the moment where they actually have to do something meaningful, at which point they just shrug and move on with their life, because it's easier than actually making a difference.

It's why "slacktivism" is so popular - it gives you the endorphin rush and smug sense of moral superiority without having to do any of the actual work or many any of the actual sacrifices you'd need to do as a real activist.

Like I said in the last topic talking about Boomers and Millennials, people always seem to forget that the Boomers WERE the socially-conscious crusaders back in the 60s, the ones convinced they were going to change the world for the better. But the idealists are usually the ones who get embittered and jaded the worst, and become exactly what they've fighting against.

Plus a change...
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ParanoidObsessive posted...

I'll mark them like I've marked all the other people who've said they'd riot or leave the country if [insert candidate here] won over the last 20 years or so.

Or like the protests from a few months ago that have already more or less burned out, in spite of all the people swearing they never would and how they were going to totally change the world this time.

After a few decades of living though this sort of thing, you start to get a bit more blase about it. People always scream and holler and complain, right up to the moment where they actually have to do something meaningful, at which point they just shrug and move on with their life, because it's easier than actually making a difference.

It's why "slacktivism" is so popular - it gives you the endorphin rush and smug sense of moral superiority without having to do any of the actual work or many any of the actual sacrifices you'd need to do as a real activist.

Like I said in the last topic talking about Boomers and Millennials, people always seem to forget that the Boomers WERE the socially-conscious crusaders back in the 60s, the ones convinced they were going to change the world for the better. But the idealists are usually the ones who get embittered and jaded the worst, and become exactly what they've fighting against.

Plus a change...

We are in a very different situation as a society that we have been at any other point in living memory. I dont think you or anyone else can accurately predict what is going to happen based on recent historical norms

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Guys I'm not sure if PO realizes that there has been social change in America since 1960.

I think it's also a tad naive to look at this summer's protests as an isolated incident and not an escalation of ten years of BLM + 4 years of anti Trump protests.

Idk if a Trump reelection would trigger it, but I wager this summer was only a taste of what's gonna come. In the same way that anti Obama hysteria led to the current GOP, something is gonna happen if these protests keep getting bigger with no results.

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Regardless of riots, things will just settle back down like it never happened just like every time a black man gets strangled to death on camera by a cop.

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Blightzkrieg posted...

Guys I'm not sure if PO realizes that there has been social change in America since 1960.

I think it's also a tad naive to look at this summer's protests as an isolated incident and not an escalation of ten years of BLM + 4 years of anti Trump protests.

Idk if a Trump reelection would trigger it, but I wager this summer was only a taste of what's gonna come. In the same way that anti Obama hysteria led to the current GOP, something is gonna happen if these protests keep getting bigger with no results.

Yup. Thinking this is just gonna pass is the sign someone isnt paying attention.

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I highly suspect this is just gonna pass and I'm inclined to agree with PO's viewpoint which is unusual. The combination of disorganization and people having too much to lose is likely to stop anything too major from happening. It'll be a huge deal at the time but months will go by without any real solution and people will get tired of hearing about it and then something new will come along and the vast majority of people will swap over to being outraged about that.

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YoukaiSlayer posted...

I highly suspect this is just gonna pass and I'm inclined to agree with PO's viewpoint which is unusual. The combination of disorganization and people having too much to lose is likely to stop anything too major from happening. It'll be a huge deal at the time but months will go by without any real solution and people will get tired of hearing about it and then something new will come along and the vast majority of people will swap over to being outraged about that.

Whats gonna pass. Trump getting elected? Feels like you're vague intentionally.

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So many of the issues people are outraged about nowadays lead back to Trump and his administration though. Theres just no hope that this country can start to become less dramatically polarized as long as that man is in office

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Mead posted...

We are in a very different situation as a society that we have been at any other point in living memory.

We really aren't, but people in the moment always believe that. Because humans in general tend to be egocentric/ethnocentric as fuck, and always see themselves at the center of the universe.



Mead posted...

I dont think you or anyone else can accurately predict what is going to happen based on recent historical norms

I've predicted the outcome of pretty much every Presidential election in the US for the last 28 years, plenty of social movements and shifts of the last two decades or so, and almost every facet of the governmental and societal response to Covid since it started. I also predicted exactly what was going to happen for the last few sweeping social movements or protests.

And I don't even consider myself all that skilled at predicting social trends. Just paying attention and applying a little common sense can go a very long way.

It really isn't hard to predict things at all as long as you take basic human nature into account, and have a fairly firm grasp of the important variables involved. The only real curveball is when something comes completely out of nowhere, but even then you can pretty easily predict where it's going to go afterward.

The people who get blindsided by the future are usually the people who had extremely unrealistic expectations about the future in the first place.



Blightzkrieg posted...

Guys I'm not sure if PO realizes that there has been social change in America since 1960.

I'm not sure if you realize that the social change in the 1960s and since hasn't been a steep steady upwards line towards universal enlightenment, but is a wonky wobbly curve where some things get better, others get worse, reactionary thinking kicks in and some things backslide, perspectives shift, and overall a lot of things just stay exactly the same no matter how positive the wide-eyed idealists are that THIS is going to be the generation that really fixes everything.

I'm also not sure if you realize that there's been a greater trend towards slow pacification of civil dissent over the years. Years ago idealists predicted that the Internet would usher in a new age of informed voters and dissemination of information that would empower the public like never before, but in practice the signal:noise ratio has desensitized people to the sheer amount of information (and the validity of it), and created more and more distractions to the point where people are easily distracted and diverted from any meaningful form of resistance (something which, in spite of Mead's skepticism, a number of technological futurists were predicting as early as the 1980s). Protests don't really mean much when protesters get bored after a few weeks and disperse. Movements don't accomplish much when they're little more than a punchline even a few years later. Hashtags on Twitter

The main reason why so many people these days have grown disillusioned towards strikes and protests as an agent of change is because so few people involved in them have the commitment to actually follow through to a meaningful conclusion. It's the same reason why Internet outrage culture can accomplish minor "victories" in the short-term but make little lasting change in the long term - when you're looking for a new thing to be pissed about every 15 minutes, you don't devote the time and energy to any ONE specific thing long enough for your outrage to really matter. And governments and businesses are fully aware that all they really have to do is outlast the current tantrum because most people will have forgotten about it soon enough.

When you assume there's going to be massive protests and rebellions and negative reaction, you're basing your assumption on the amount of outrage you read or hear online. But almost all of that is hot air from anonymous strangers in the comfort of their own home, and very few of those people would ever make the actual effort to try and fix the things they rail about, especially if it would require more effort and risk than just typing a hashtag and posting memes. THAT'S what keeps the status quo so powerful.

Honestly, we almost certainly wouldn't have seen BLM protests and reactions as strongly as we did this year if they weren't in tandem with the greater anxiety/stir-crazy mindset engendered by Covid quarantining in general, which left people wound up and ready to blow for almost any trigger. But even that pent-up energy can only last so long before it burns out (which it mostly has by this point, at least in the more dynamic sense). It usually lasts long enough to spur a few minor concessions, a few token gestures, and a tiny bit of "positive change" - just enough to help defuse the situation. And then "business as usual" kicks in and the status quo is, for the most part, unchanged.

If Trump wins a second term (which isn't guaranteed, though Trump losing by a landslide also isn't as sure-fire an outcome as some anti-Trump people would like to believe, either), we'll likely see the exact sort of reaction we saw the first time he got elected, with a slightly higher incidence of protests or demonstrations... which will last for a very short period of time before everyone gets tired, slides back into apathetic grumpiness, and the status quo keeps chugging along.

I know there's a strong desire for people - especially for younger people - to optimistically believe that they're living in times that will be forever remembered as the progressive and enlightened period where everyone started getting their shit together and fixing all the injustices of the world. But after you've lived through a few periods like that and have seen how those moments sputter and fade, and that very little changes all that much in the long run, and that progress tends to be a slow plod forward rather than an explosive revolution, you get a bit more realistic about the future.

It also doesn't really help that most "revolutions" in history usually leave people much worse off than when they started. That helps fuel the cynicism a bit as well. "The road to Hell is paved with..." etc etc.
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FrndNhbrHdCEman posted...

Whats gonna pass. Trump getting elected? Feels like you're vague intentionally.

The outrage over trump winning or the BLM riots. Take your pick. People are far too comfortable to go war over this stuff in numbers large enough to make a difference and even IF you did, it'd go terribly. We are long past the time when you can really fight against the government in direct conflict. A "revolution" that actually was big enough to be threatening would get annihilated by the military.

Now lots of protesting and minor rioting for a few months? That could easily happen, but that accomplishes virtually nothing. All the social change that happens isn't the result of quick violent movements, it's the result of continuous subtle social change. Roughly 40% of our dumbass countrymen support trump. You can't alienate that large of a group and hope to affect real positive change and you can't change their mind by yelling at them about how dumb they are. You need to descalate conflict, get them to put their defenses down, and then gradually sway them towards a more reasonable line of thinking. However, thats the opposite of what is happening. If anything the divide between republicans and democrats is only increasing.

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ParanoidObsessive posted...

I'm not sure if you realize that the social change in the 1960s and since hasn't been a steep steady upwards line towards universal enlightenment, but is a wonky wobbly curve where some things get better, others get worse, reactionary thinking kicks in and some things backslide, perspectives shift, and overall a lot of things just stay exactly the same no matter how positive the wide-eyed idealists are that THIS is going to be the generation that really fixes everything.

This is a nonsensical take even by your standards PO. You can't acknowledge there has been significant social change (and I did not imply a need for this to be positive) and then handwave it into actually being no change. "We have more in common with 1960 than we do a completely unrelated utopian society" is not a meaningful position to take.

There is definitely more talk of change then there is change, but that's again a really simplistic and non meaningful take.

Change happens, but it happens slowly rather than all at once. That's why there needs to be a concerted effort (even inter generational effort) to ensure it happens in the right direction. If you're looking for a single monumental change instantly reforming society, then you don't understand society.

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His fake news poll numbers were down, are they back up again? -_- That would make them real news.

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Mead posted...

If he wins you wont see riots, youll see a full blown revolt

No one has the balls to do that

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Yellow posted...

No one has the balls to do that

Collectively, people have a way of finding their balls when theyre backed up into a corner

Trump won in 2016 largely because a lot of people in power underestimated how angry and frustrated many Americans were. That sentiment is a mild simmer compared to how many people are on the verge of losing everything today.

The prospect of another 4 years of trump is more than a lot of people will be willing to tolerate

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Well if he wins and it was legit there will probably be the typical rioting and die-down

If he postpones and rigs it then sure let's hope something interesting happens

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Mead posted...

Collectively, people have a way of finding their balls when theyre backed up into a corner

Trump won in 2016 largely because a lot of people in power underestimated how angry and frustrated many Americans were. That sentiment is a mild simmer compared to how many people are on the verge of losing everything today.

The prospect of another 4 years of trump is more than a lot of people will be willing to tolerate

Out of curiosity, how has Trump personally impacted you on a day to day basis? The economy was doing great until we allowed the coronavirus to completely ruin it. Most people were making more money and living better lives than ever before.

MartianManchild posted...

Most people were making more money and living better lives than ever before.

*citation needed

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MartianManchild posted...

The economy was doing great until he allowed the coronavirus to completely ruin it.

ftfy

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Mead posted...

ftfy

True. He should have kept everything open like he originally wanted to.

democrats pushed for hard shutdowns, even for places that could do minimal to no contact
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MartianManchild posted...

True. He should have kept everything open like he originally wanted to.

millions would be dead, the economy would be in shambles because people would be too afraid to even go out, and hospitals would struggle to provide care for anyone since no mitigation would have been done to flatten the curve

not to mention the many millions more that would contract the virus and recover only for many to suffer ongoing issues like scarred lung tissue and infections, blood clots, and even brain lesions

if you think things are bad now then you really dont understand how badly they would have been if trump and the other anti-mask mouthbreathers has gotten their way

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Mead posted...

millions would be dead, the economy would be in shambles because people would be too afraid to even go out, and hospitals would struggle to provide care for anyone since no mitigation would have been done to flatten the curve

not to mention the many millions more that would contract the virus and recover only for many to suffer ongoing issues like scarred lung tissue and infections, blood clots, and even brain lesions

if you think things are bad now then you really dont understand how badly they would have been if trump and the other anti-mask mouthbreathers has gotten their way

*citation needed

People will be super angry for a couple weeks, then once they realize it doesn't effect them directly they'll get bored of it and move on until the next outrage the media reports on pops up.

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MartianManchild posted...

*citation needed

common sense and reality dude

look at places that have taken the virus seriously and compare it to places that havent

china and South Korea should have been devastated when you look at their population density in a lot of areas that got hit by the virus, they acted quickly though and took it seriously, meanwhile the fatman in chief spent months calling it a hoax, doing nothing, making excuses, whining, and promising it would go away magically

wake up already

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Like the Confederates. Sounds kinda treasonous.

about a month ago the news station i was listening to talked about reports from china on how it handled infected.... i wouldn't say they handled it well.

thats not even taking into consideration how they fucked up in the beginning by hiding it
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Remember that time a city trashed itself because their team WON the Super Bowl?

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It sure isn't going to be known on election night.

With the sheer number of projected mail-in votes, it will be weeks before they have a winner. Prepare for the rhetoric to really ramp up over those weeks, because the news media will probably 'declare' a winner on election night just like they did for GWB in 2000 before the votes are in.

Both sides are prepping their excuses.

I am sure the usuals from BLM and Antifa are going to steal/break shit and then claim they were peaceful protesters.

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Look at the meltdowns on YouTube the last time he won. Look at how many people said theyd leave but didnt/couldnt because theyre stuck in a dead-end society. Hes going to win, because the alternative is much worse.

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zebatov posted...

Look at the meltdowns on YouTube the last time he won. Look at how many people said theyd leave but didnt/couldnt because theyre stuck in a dead-end society. Hes going to win, because the alternative is much worse.

https://youtu.be/wDYNVH0U3cs?t=3

Trump winning or not will change very little in my life, but I want to continue seeing lefties losing their collective minds about everything. Even things Drumpf is not responsible for!

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The_tall_midget posted...

I am sure the usuals from BLM and Antifa are going to steal/break shit and then claim they were peaceful protesters.

I don't care if people's lives take a turn for the worse because I want to own the libs.

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The_tall_midget posted...

https://youtu.be/wDYNVH0U3cs?t=3

Trump winning or not will change very little in my life, but I want to continue seeing lefties losing their collective minds about everything. Even things Drumpf is not responsible for!

I used to like watching leftists have total melt downs over the most stupid shit but today I just can't stand them anymore. The level of cringe is too powerful for me to handle anymore.

Mead posted...

If he wins you wont see riots, youll see a full blown revolt

Depends on what you mean. Riots, yes. Full-blown revolt? Again, that would need to be defined.

Although I wouldn't doubt it, since a Trump victory at this point would almost certainly mean it was rigged or cheating was involved, assuming nothing cataclysmic (and it would have to be at this point) happens between now and November to boost Trump and/or sink Biden. And considering Trump and some of his allies have already admitted trying to cheat the 2020 election on live TV, it'd be a pretty easy fuse to light for massive unrest. Made doubly easier that unrest has basically been the ongoing state of 2020.

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xjayguyx posted...

I used to like watching leftists have total melt downs over the most stupid shit but today I just can't stand them anymore. The level of cringe is too powerful for me to handle anymore.

NO! You're going to watch a dumb bitch go into a business she believed was related to black culture and then scream at the employees because it's owned by asians and you're going to like it! Followed by BLM/Antifa terrorists burning/rioting/stealing shit and then calling themselves peaceful protesters!

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Mead posted...

If he wins you wont see riots, youll see a full blown revolt

Possible if he were to win despite the will of the American people again.

BlackScythe0 posted...

Possible if he were to win despite the will of the American people again.

Considering his plant for Postmaster General has been doing away with ballot-sorting machines, and his rhetoric about voting by mail being a bad thing (as well as the USPS in general), it won't surprise me.

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MartianManchild posted...

*citation needed

No that's actually 100% correct look at Brazil

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Not that I needed it, but there's another reason why Trump must lose.

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