Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 312: The Stimulacrum

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xp1337 posted...

MLB's "no bubble, let's yolo this" strategy going swimmingly.

The Miami Marlins had 3 positive cases, had a team meeting and decided "yeah, let's play", played the Philadelphia Phillies, and today it turns out they're (Marlins) up to 11 positive cases. Both the Marlins' game against the Baltimore Orioles and the Phillies' games against the Yankees now postponed.

I was borderline on whether MLB could pull this off but didn't expect it to get this bad this quickly. Guess my instinct that the NBA being the only ones with a realistic chance of finishing their season might hold up.

Professional athletes are at zero risk from COVID. Getting herd immunity early will be a competitive advantage.


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SmartMuffin posted...

Professional athletes are at zero risk from COVID. Getting herd immunity early will be a competitive advantage.

We had an MLB pitcher have heart problems because of this... dude can you stop being a monster? Like, hello?

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xp1337 posted...

MLB's "no bubble, let's yolo this" strategy going swimmingly.

The Miami Marlins had 3 positive cases, had a team meeting and decided "yeah, let's play", played the Philadelphia Phillies, and today it turns out they're (Marlins) up to 11 positive cases. Both the Marlins' game against the Baltimore Orioles and the Phillies' games against the Yankees now postponed.

I was borderline on whether MLB could pull this off but didn't expect it to get this bad this quickly. Guess my instinct that the NBA being the only ones with a realistic chance of finishing their season might hold up.

Season is not over. 2 games are postponed. Shit happens and it was always a possibility of postponing games. Why do you act like the season is over because an organization got positives?

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PerfectChaosZ posted...

I think people wanted to look into it more and not be like oh four black people in a row hanged? Must be a rash of suicides! Just off the cuff like you did. The worst thing an investigation does is yup it was suicide. The worst thing your do nothing approach is that a murderer gets away. And then only a literal psycho would come with a wide smile and be like looks like it was just suicide :D

But look who Im talking to.

Re-read the exchange. It was the exact opposite. I was the one who said you should wait for more details and you shouldn't assume people were lynched. This conversation pressed into multiple topics. Wang said it was likelier to be suicides. An argument ensued over that. I brought facts to support suicide was likelier while also maintaining we should wait for autopsy reports and more details.

You literally just described the behavior on the other side and pinned it to me.

But look who I am talking to. People who make wild claims to try and support untrue narratives because it is what they want it to be. Then can't even man up and admit they were wrong when they are.

Oh and let's not forget how just prior to the conclusions jumped on this being lynchings was people berating wang for jumping to a conclusion.


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I didn't say it was over, but I definitely think that's where we're heading.

If the Marlins are at 11 positive player cases (+ some coaches) can they be expected to field a team that upholds competitive integrity in the next 10-14 days? Do they just postpone every game they play in that span? If they just pull in a ton of walk-ons so they can nominally put a team on the field but in reality is basically a AA team just to keep the gears turning what are you doing to the competitive integrity of the game?

I'm not sure what MLB does regarding this incident. I think there's a decent chance they try to power through rather than deal with the embarrassment of pulling the plug this soon and after the first major incident but there's pretty much no way this is the last time something like this'll happen.

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xp1337 posted...

If they just pull in a ton of walk-ons so they can nominally put a team on the field but in reality is basically a AA team just to keep the gears turning what are you doing the competitive integrity of the game?

They just need Shane Falco.

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xp1337 posted...

I didn't say it was over, but I definitely think that's where we're heading.

If the Marlins are at 11 positive player cases (+ some coaches) can they be expected to field a team that upholds competitive integrity in the next 10-14 days? Do they just postpone every game they play in that span? If they just pull in a ton of walk-ons so they can nominally put a team on the field but in reality is basically a AA team just to keep the gears turning what are you doing the competitive integrity of the game?

I'm not sure what MLB does regarding this incident. I think there's a decent chance they try to power through rather than deal with the embarrassment of pulling the plug this soon and after the first major incident but there's pretty much no way this is the last time something like this'll happen.

Yes, they can still field a team. Or they can just play make ups later after quarantines if they are in playoff contention.

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Woj reported that the players association was the ones who were against the bubbles also that MLB tried to incorporate.

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Apparently players are stupid.

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I referred to MLB in that context as the collective sport of baseball and not the league offices specifically. The MLBPA rejecting a bubble is dumb and they should be called out for it.

If they found it too inconvenient or too cumbersome due to the increased roster sizes compared to the NBA then that's a sign that maybe you shouldn't be playing the season if you're unable/unwilling to take the safety precautions.

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xp1337 posted...

I referred to MLB in that context as the collective sport of baseball and not the league offices specifically. The MLBPA rejecting a bubble is dumb and they should be called out for it.

If they found it too inconvenient or too cumbersome due to the increased roster sizes compared to the NBA then that's a sign that maybe you shouldn't be playing the season if you're unable/unwilling to take the safety precautions.

In my opinion, the reasoning for them being against it was obvious.

MLB wanted 3 bubble areas, Arizona, Florida, and another I forget based on their spring training leagues and such. I think Texas.

However, the players were so much for more money that I think it is likely they turned this down because they wanted to try and maximize their money (hoping fans would be allowed) and for convenience (not being in the bubble itself).

That said, I can't imagine anyone thought there would be zero outbreaks all season. Just have to move forward using their plans they have in place for this contingency. Wait for 2 negatives on anyone who hasn't come back positive and move forward with the players negative and backups/AAA prospect call ups.

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In fairness to the players the owners were constantly trying to screw the players out of money so I get that part too.

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https://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2020/07/27/rrepublicans-stimulus-proposal-1200-checks-smaller-unemployment-aid/

Still have no idea how 70% is based.

On my pre-wage increase last year rate? My post-wagw increase rate? My post wage increase this year rate? My highest quarter? My 2019 income divided by 52? Like? Lol. I don't get it.

In some of these scenarios it will be like $900 to get me to 70% wage replacement.

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Corrik7 posted...

https://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2020/07/27/rrepublicans-stimulus-proposal-1200-checks-smaller-unemployment-aid/

Still have no idea how 70% is based.

On my pre-wage increase last year rate? My post-wagw increase rate? My post wage increase this year rate? My highest quarter? My 2019 income divided by 52? Like? Lol. I don't get it.

In some of these scenarios it will be like $900 to get me to 70% wage replacement.

You mean republicans create more work and more issues? Shocking.

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i don't think anyone knows how they're calculating it and won't until they release the text

Saw a WaPo article about it saying some in the GOP were talking about putting an income cap on it so presumably that implies it doesn't necessarily have one right now but who knows. CNBC articles from Thursday were speculating they might try to implement it in a flat payment like they are now using either average or median worker income (depending on what number they use that could mean anywhere from like $180-$300/week) but the reporting today that they want $200/week for 2 months while states somehow update their systems to accomodate whatever 70% system they decide on appears to imply it's not a flat payment to all but individualized somehow.

Seeing how the GOP is complaining about $600 being too high and wanting to slash it down to $100 or $200 I would have to imagine they cap it somewhere, and probably in a pretty draconian way but who knows.

Still feel like this ends up being all scrapped and the compromise deal with the House ends up at like $400/week.

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xp1337 posted...

i don't think anyone knows how they're calculating it and won't until they release the text

Saw a WaPo article about it saying some in the GOP were talking about putting an income cap on it so presumably that implies it doesn't necessarily have one right now but who knows. CNBC articles from Thursday were speculating they might try to implement it in a flat payment like they are now using either average or median worker income (depending on what number they use that could mean anywhere from like $180-$300/week) but the reporting today that they want $200/week for 2 months while states somehow update their systems to accomodate whatever 70% system they decide on appears to imply it's not a flat payment to all but individualized somehow.

Seeing how the GOP is complaining about $600 being too high and wanting to slash it down to $100 or $200 I would have to imagine they cap it somewhere, and probably in a pretty draconian way but who knows.

Still feel like this ends up being all scrapped and the compromise deal with the House ends up at like $400/week.

I could see them agreeing to a 600 a week extension for 2 months while states upgrade system to a 70% system.

I don't think anyone is really against a % system (though I would argue maybe 80% is fairer), if it weren't for the computer system problems that Mnuchin himself said was an issue.

But, they could have already had them working on this in the past few months. This is just dumb scrambling.

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Corrik7 posted...

https://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2020/07/27/rrepublicans-stimulus-proposal-1200-checks-smaller-unemployment-aid/

Still have no idea how 70% is based.

On my pre-wage increase last year rate? My post-wagw increase rate? My post wage increase this year rate? My highest quarter? My 2019 income divided by 52? Like? Lol. I don't get it.

In some of these scenarios it will be like $900 to get me to 70% wage replacement.

So you're getting a raise. Given how much money we've printed since March, I think that's fair.

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So 538 has Trump's approval rating finally fall below 40%. He's at 39.9% approval and 55.9% disapproval.

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https://www.politico.com/amp/news/2020/07/27/bernie-supporters-medicare-single-payer-381972

Bernie Sanders delegates mount convention rebellion over 'Medicare for All'

At least 360 Democratic delegates, mostly his supporters, have signed a pledge to oppose the Democratic platform unless it endorses single-payer.

Lets goooooo

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They aren't his supporters at that point.

Yeah. If you don't agree with every single thing a person says or does, or don't really support them. We should all blindly agree with whatever the person we support says, just like Trumps base.

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Despite their frustration with Biden, progressive leaders behind the pledge all said they are voting for Biden and working to elect him. RootsAction.org, for instance, noted that it is planning to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars on an effort to persuade swing-state progressives who are on the fence to get behind Biden.
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"We're going to fight like hell for Biden. And there's no contradiction between doing that and supporting this pledge," Solomon said.

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Peaceful protest is the right of the people, so yeah carry on.

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https://twitter.com/abc/status/1287816414615801859?s=21

I suppose the Lincoln Project has successfully taken all the respectability politics people away from his base at this point
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Leafeon13N posted...

They aren't his supporters at that point.

Ive legitimately spent 5 minutes trying to figure out what to say to this.

Ive got nothin.

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https://www.politico.com/news/2020/07/27/drugmakers-trump-meeting-canceled-382847

Trump the democrat.

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Corrik7 posted...

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/07/27/drugmakers-trump-meeting-canceled-382847

Trump the democrat.

From the spokesperson for a pharmaceutical industry group:

The presidents plan to import policies from socialized health care systems abroad is disrupting our work [on Covid-19 therapies] and diverting our focus away from those life-saving efforts," the spokesperson said. "We remain willing to discuss ways to lower costs for patients at the pharmacy counter. However, we remain steadfastly opposed to policies that would allow foreign governments to set prices for medicines in the United States."

It's not a Democratic policy. Joe Biden would never support it. It's a socialist policy. Directly piggybacking off the work of countries with socialized healthcare. Thank you President Trump for doing more for the working class in 4 years than the Democratic Party has done since 1980.

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I do think it is slightly disingenuous to frame it as "Bernie supporters" when Bernie himself has pivoted away from stuff like this. Like all power to the delegates but the man himself doesn't really factor into things or deserve any credit for this. As GMUN pointed out, many are still supporting Biden. The only reason to invoke his ghost is to get one last round of complaining about Bernie and the general progressive base.

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HeroDelTiempo17 posted...

I do think it is slightly disingenuous to frame it as "Bernie supporters" when Bernie himself has pivoted away from stuff like this. Like all power to the delegates but the man himself doesn't really factor into things or deserve any credit for this. As GMUN pointed out, many are still supporting Biden. The only reason to invoke his ghost is to get one last round of complaining about Bernie and the general progressive base.

They are delegates who are pledged to Bernie right? Assuming that's the case, the descriptor is extremely on-point.

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If Sanderss primary voters stay home on Election Day out of pique, that could damage Bidens chances, especially in must-win swing states.
Nina Turner, a co-chair of the Sanders campaign, told me she has no appetite for the choice she faces: Its like saying to somebody, You have a bowl of shit in front of you, and all youve got to do is eat half of it instead of the whole thing. Its still shit.

From an article on the Atlantic.

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https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/27/politics/senate-republican-stimulus-proposal/index.html

The weird part is that the unemployment boost is literally not that much money. Even with 6 months at $600 a week per person unemployed, it is only like 300 billion. Which is a lot less than some of these other costs we have seen.

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/07/27/senate-coronavirus-legislation-heals-act/?outputType=amp

Ok so the federal assistance would cap at $500 extra under the 70% plan.

Stimulus check formula is exactly the same as last time. Except for...

There are some new restrictions in the GOP plan, such as blocking dead people and prisoners from receiving the benefit, and tweaking the eligibility of dependents so they can access the $500 supplement even if they are older than 17.

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The better idea would be to make it $500 a week until October 5th and if they can't get their computers in line by then they can do a waiver to keep it flat and have to drop it to $200.


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want some levity?

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/27/us/politics/trump-yankees-fauci.html

When Trump announced that the Yankees asked him to throw out the first pitch on August 15... they hadn't. He just declared they had because he was jealous of Fauci getting attention for throwing out the first pitch on Opening Day.

WH Aides had to scramble because Trump is apparently already booked on 8/15 which presumably led to his cancellation.

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Corrik7 posted...

The better idea would be to make it $500 a week until October 5th and if they can't get their computers in line by then they can do a waiver to keep it flat and have to drop it to $200.

Right?

Fuck cops.

https://twitter.com/daeshikjr/status/1287288994057732098?s=09

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xp1337 posted...

want some levity?

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/27/us/politics/trump-yankees-fauci.html

When Trump announced that the Yankees asked him to throw out the first pitch on August 15... they hadn't. He just declared they had because he was jealous of Fauci getting attention for throwing out the first pitch on Opening Day.

WH Aides had to scramble because Trump is apparently already booked on 8/15 which presumably led to his cancellation.

Yes and no. He had an open invite to do so whenever he wanted to. He wasn't specifically asked for that date though.

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Trump is now retweeting attacks on Fauci, and going back to pushing hydroxychloroquine:

https://twitter.com/UrbanAchievr/status/1287950547903971328

The doctor he's promoting is definitely a normal, sane person:

https://twitter.com/willsommer/status/1287959557541593089

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The "organization" in that HCQ is a complete fabrication btw. Breitbart created "American Frontline Doctors" a week or so ago.

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https://twitter.com/willsommer/status/1287959557541593089?s=21

this would be really funny if there werent a bunch of people actually believing her

https://twitter.com/stella_immanuel/status/1287899007243747330?s=21

she wants your piss
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LordoftheMorons posted...

Trump is now retweeting attacks on Fauci, and going back to pushing hydroxychloroquine:

https://twitter.com/UrbanAchievr/status/1287950547903971328

The doctor he's promoting is definitely a normal, sane person:

https://twitter.com/willsommer/status/1287959557541593089

As there are now so many people making fake screenshots on Twitter, please link Trump's Twitter directly to cite his tweets. Plus, that ensures we see the full context.

HeroicCrono posted...

As there are now so many people making fake screenshots on Twitter, please link Trump's Twitter directly to cite his tweets. Plus, that ensures we see the full context.

They're retweets. And the context is Trump retweeting 10 insane hydroxy tweets in a row.

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https://twitter.com/brianklaas/status/1288041664091754497

Senate R's are focused on the real issue and have set aside $686M for another fancy military jet, within the Corona relief bill.

I never want to hear "how will we pay for it" about anything ever again.

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Jesus, this woman is a complete lunatic

https://twitter.com/willsommer/status/1288084302169874432

I'd recommend reading the full article; the tweets don't do it justice

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https://mobile.twitter.com/CNN/status/1288132122109079552

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https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/78866171/942670883

How fucking dare he use non-lethal techniques to incapacitate a violent terrorist.

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DoomTheGyarados posted...

Peaceful protest is the right of the people, so yeah carry on.

Let me know when you see a peaceful protester

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did you delete that message yourself or was it modded very quickly
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MoogleKupo141 posted...

did you delete that message yourself or was it modded very quickly

Deleted as I decided he's not worth engaging at this point. It is absolutely disgusting how little regard he has for black lives and there is a special place in hell for him. I hope he's there quickly.

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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

Im pretty sure the exact argument was that its extremely bizarre to be 100% certain black men being hung from trees NOW in 2020 was not lynching, not that it was impossible.

Maybe it's because we live in reality

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