Poll of the Day > Oh boy... Remember Epstein?

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Gaawa_chan
07/20/20 3:26:20 AM
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https://twitter.com/AdamJLowy/status/1285029994079686661

*facepalm* Can we just eat the rich? Please?

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KJ StErOiDs
07/20/20 3:28:23 AM
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Very familiar name but I'd honestly have to Google it.

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Gaawa_chan
07/20/20 3:31:42 AM
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KJ StErOiDs posted...
Very familiar name but I'd honestly have to Google it.
I couldn't think of a title, tbh. XD

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Zeus
07/20/20 6:11:07 AM
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Almost certainly seems like a false connection, considering that he would have been a judge on countless other cases and most of those would be more pertinent considering the defendant is still alive.

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streamofthesky
07/20/20 8:22:13 AM
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https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/husband-son-of-federal-judge-shot-at-their-new-jersey-home/2521283/

More recently, Salas has presided over an ongoing lawsuit brought by Deutsche Bank investors who claim the company made false and misleading statements about its anti-money laundering policies and failed to monitor high-risk customers including convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein.

Preliminary indications are that the husband answered the door and was shot multiple times; the son came running to the door and was shot as well before the gunman (who was potentially dressed as some kind of delivery driver) fled, the sources said. Judge Salas was believed to be in the basement at the time of the shooting, and she was not injured

The motive wasn't immediately clear. Law enforcement officials said one theory was a possible home invasion robbery gone wrong, but stressed all theories were still on the table.

Yeah... dude dresses as a delivery man, rings / knocks on the door, and immediately opens fire on the person who answers the door and another person who runs in. Then leaves.
Totally sounds like someone attempting a home invasion. Everyone knows that thieves just love it when they can add a murder wrap to their charges whenever possible!
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BUMPED2002
07/20/20 8:56:56 AM
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Trump owes this same bank over $300M in outstanding loans. Hmmm is there a connection here?

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WhiskeyDisk
07/20/20 9:17:49 AM
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Zeus posted...
Almost certainly seems like a false connection, considering that he would have been a judge on countless other cases and most of those would be more pertinent considering the defendant is still alive.

This, but also ffs

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Music_Rock_Cat
07/20/20 10:46:49 AM
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Epstein wasn't that cool of a person

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zebatov
07/20/20 11:23:14 AM
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When is it not a coincidence or conspiracy anymore?

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Yellow
07/20/20 1:38:17 PM
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I don't think anyone actually believed Epstein hanged himself. XD

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Zeus
07/20/20 1:54:23 PM
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streamofthesky posted...
Yeah... dude dresses as a delivery man, rings / knocks on the door, and immediately opens fire on the person who answers the door and another person who runs in. Then leaves.
Totally sounds like someone attempting a home invasion. Everyone knows that thieves just love it when they can add a murder wrap to their charges whenever possible!

For a hit, that's really fucking sloppy, though. It was done in an obvious manner and he left a witness alive.

Yellow posted...
I don't think anyone actually believed Epstein hanged himself. XD

Let's see.... guy tries to kill himself in prison via hanging and fails. Then he's found dead hanging in his cell? Guess that's gotta be murder! No doubt about it! After all, there were no signs or suggestions that it could be suicide, right? -_-

For a follow-up, are you going to mention that you don't think anybody actually believes Al-Qaeda was behind 9/11?

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DirtBasedSoap
07/20/20 1:55:26 PM
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Yellow posted...
I don't think anyone actually believed Epstein hanged himself. XD
except Zeus lmao

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Zeus
07/20/20 1:58:06 PM
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DirtBasedSoap posted...
except Zeus lmao

And everybody else who also doesn't feel 9/11 was an inside job and thinks that the idea Nixon had Kennedy killed was stupid.

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MasterChiefer
07/20/20 2:08:03 PM
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It will be of interest to see if she takes a leave of absence and if this case gets reassigned to a different judge. Almost a guarantee that a big shady bank like that has judges on its payroll and they wanted one of them handling the case.
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DirtBasedSoap
07/20/20 2:08:24 PM
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completely unrelated. nice try buddy :)

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OhhhJa
07/20/20 2:08:27 PM
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Zeus is really adamant about defending rich pedophiles
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dedbus
07/20/20 2:52:09 PM
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This is him now. Feeling old yet?
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Zeus
07/20/20 3:14:50 PM
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Zeus is really adamant about defending

It's going to take a while to unpack how stupid that accusation is. Considering Epstein has been dead for almost a year now, it's highly unlikely he paid for a hit that only just happened now. Even by the board's usual conspiracy nonsense, that's pretty pathetic.

In general, most of the modern Epstein conspiracy theories are Pizzagate-levels of stupid. And what makes this whole thing even stupider is the ONE person who wasn't shot in the attack was the judge presiding over the case and she was home at the time. Nothing about the claims really hold water.

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OhhhJa
07/20/20 3:21:41 PM
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Zeus posted...
It's going to take a while to unpack how stupid that accusation is. Considering Epstein has been dead for almost a year now, it's highly unlikely he paid for a hit that only just happened now. Even by the board's usual conspiracy nonsense, that's pretty pathetic.

In general, most of the modern Epstein conspiracy theories are Pizzagate-levels of stupid. And what makes this whole thing even stupider is the ONE person who wasn't shot in the attack was the judge presiding over the case and she was home at the time. Nothing about the claims really hold water.
I'm not really even talking about this particular theory about this judge. Just that you're so intent on convincing everyone he definitely committed suicide and that any theory related to epstein must be categorically false despite mountains of evidence painting a picture of this stuff being a pretty huge subculture with politicians and other famous people/public figures around the world. I understand innocent until proven guilty but there's also just sticking your head completely in the sand while it's also up your ass
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Gaawa_chan
07/20/20 3:25:51 PM
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Zeus posted...
It's going to take a while to unpack how stupid that accusation is. Considering Epstein has been dead for almost a year now, it's highly unlikely he paid for a hit

Literally no one here is arguing that Epstein ordered and paid for this hit. This is a strawman.

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wolfy42
07/20/20 3:29:26 PM
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Are rich people like the Wagu beef of Soylent Green or something?

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SpeedDemon20
07/20/20 3:30:43 PM
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wolfy42
07/20/20 3:31:15 PM
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Gaawa_chan posted...
Zeus posted...
It's going to take a while to unpack how stupid that accusation is. Considering Epstein has been dead for almost a year now, it's highly unlikely he paid for a hit

Literally no one here is arguing that Epstein ordered and paid for this hit. This is a strawman.


I'll take this challenge!!!

So what if Epstein isn't really dead, and it was all a setup/fake to make people think he is dead, but instead he went into hiding and has been pulling strings behind the scenes ever since then.

This culminated on him paying for this hit, as revenge, after enough time went by that people wouldn't connect it to him.

There, I said it!!

Muah!!

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Gaawa_chan
07/20/20 3:32:52 PM
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SpeedDemon20 posted...
The hitman was found dead.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/19/us/federal-judge-esther-salas-shooting-investigation/index.html
Lol, of course he was.

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streamofthesky
07/20/20 3:38:18 PM
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SpeedDemon20 posted...
The hitman was found dead.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/19/us/federal-judge-esther-salas-shooting-investigation/index.html

The person suspected of shooting the husband and son of US District Court of New Jersey Esther Salas on Sunday at her North Brunswick home has died of what is believed to be a self-inflicted gunshot wound, according to two law enforcement sources.
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Yellow
07/20/20 3:41:13 PM
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Amazon delivery murder suicide assassination. Tragic, all too common.

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wolfy42
07/20/20 3:42:15 PM
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Yellow posted...
Amazon delivery murder suicide. Tragic, all too common.


From what I heard alot of people working for Amazon want to commit suicide, and why not take someone else out in the process at that point.

Wasn't like a NBA star or something interviewed about how horrid it was working for amazon and he said he wanted to off himself?

Also Murder suicide assassination reminds me of Murder Death Kill....we are so gonna end up with everywhere being taco bell, sigh.

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Yellow
07/20/20 3:47:39 PM
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I mean in all seriousness this was probably just another murder from the same group of millionaire pedos that killed Epstein.

We already know there are people out there who pay for sex with minors, and that Epstein had a sex ring, it's not too far off that those people would murder a couple people to cover their own asses.

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wolfy42
07/20/20 3:55:16 PM
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Yellow posted...
I mean in all seriousness this was probably just another murder from the same group of millionaire pedos that killed Epstein.

We already know there are people out there who pay for sex with minors, and that Epstein had a sex ring, it's not too far off that those people would murder a couple people to cover their own asses.

Good luck to whatever (dead) investigator that wants to get to the bottom of this.


I mean, why would millionares be pedos? Isn't it an extremely rare condition? Also millionares can like get tons of girls easy right? So I mean, I really don't get it. Same with them raping women etc, why? Although millionares are not really that rich anymore, so maybe hundred millionares, but same thing.

Do they mean millionares that have sex with like 16-17 year old girls or something, and not kids? I just can't believe there are tons of people out there that actually want to have sex with pre-pubescent kids, and if it's true, I don't wanna know about it because I don't wanna live in that universe.

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OhhhJa
07/20/20 4:06:32 PM
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wolfy42 posted...
I mean, why would millionares be pedos? Isn't it an extremely rare condition? Also millionares can like get tons of girls easy right? So I mean, I really don't get it. Same with them raping women etc, why? Although millionares are not really that rich anymore, so maybe hundred millionares, but same thing.

Do they mean millionares that have sex with like 16-17 year old girls or something, and not kids? I just can't believe there are tons of people out there that actually want to have sex with pre-pubescent kids, and if it's true, I don't wanna know about it because I don't wanna live in that universe.
Rape is mostly about power for these people. I thought this was common knowledge nowadays
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Zareth
07/20/20 4:08:38 PM
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Yeah I think it's the fact that they can rape a kid and get away with it scott free that gets them off. It's a sick power fantasy.

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wolfy42
07/20/20 4:10:27 PM
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OhhhJa posted...
Rape is mostly about power for these people. I thought this was common knowledge nowadays

I've heard that about rapists, but that doesn't explain wanting to have sex with kids (and still really doesn't explain why they would rape people when they could find people who are submissives etc who would be into the whole rape thing etc).

They are mega rich, have unlimited time, resources etc, they don't need to rape people, even if they like BDSM etc, they could find people into that.

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OhhhJa
07/20/20 4:12:36 PM
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Zareth posted...
Yeah I think it's the fact that they can rape a kid and get away with it scott free that gets them off. It's a sick power fantasy.
It's actually not surprising at all that narcissistic, sociopath billionaires are pedophile rapists really. These people are power tripping egomaniacs. They quite clearly get off on having power over people
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OhhhJa
07/20/20 4:13:46 PM
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wolfy42 posted...
I've heard that about rapists, but that doesn't explain wanting to have sex with kids (and still really doesn't explain why they would rape people when they could find people who are submissives etc who would be into the whole rape thing etc).

They are mega rich, have unlimited time, resources etc, they don't need to rape people, even if they like BDSM etc, they could find people into that.
All you're doing is reposting the same thing in other words. Thats not how the psyche of a rapist works
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wolfy42
07/20/20 4:28:46 PM
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OhhhJa posted...
All you're doing is reposting the same thing in other words. Thats not how the psyche of a rapist works


I guess I'm glad I can't understand the psyche of a rapist then.

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Yellow
07/20/20 4:29:26 PM
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wolfy42 posted...
Isn't it an extremely rare condition?
If you go to any image booru site, you'll see that it's really not. I've heard 1 in 5 men from some study I don't care to look up.

Seriously, if you just divide the number of image posts the sexualize minors by the total number of posts you get roughly how many pedophiles. You don't account for a lot of things, such as porn artists not accounting for the entire population, but you get a rough idea.

I've also heard that pedophiles on average have a lower IQ, which makes me think that caught pedophiles in the criminal system have a lower IQ than the rest of them and make up the entire known demographic.

I also think millionaires see their lives as "I've had everything in life and there's still this one thing I haven't tried, am told I can't have, and therefore want". And there are sooo many men out there that glorify 18 year olds as the most sexy demographic, but then there's no way they would ever go any lower, right? They probably think "I have a million dollars, I can one up these plebs, I'm above their pleb rules"

At least that's why I think there are so many 1%er pedophiles.

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OhhhJa
07/20/20 4:54:02 PM
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wolfy42 posted...
I guess I'm glad I can't understand the psyche of a rapist then.
I mean, thats cool and all but it's pretty basic caveman arguments you're making. "Like why would this rich guy rape someone?! He could get any girl!" Most people understand this isn't how rapists operate. Have you ever known a victim?
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Zeus
07/20/20 4:55:31 PM
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OhhhJa posted...
I'm not really even talking about this particular theory about this judge. Just that you're so intent on convincing everyone he definitely committed suicide and that any theory related to epstein must be categorically false despite mountains of evidence painting a picture of this stuff being a pretty huge subculture with politicians and other famous people/public figures around the world. I understand innocent until proven guilty but there's also just sticking your head completely in the sand while it's also up your ass

Occam's Razor. If a guy tried to commit suicide and is then found dead shortly after through the same method he tried to kill himself -- but was interrupted the first time -- is it more likely the guy killed himself or the Illuminati engaged in some vast international conspiracy to kill him?

Just because there were probably powerful people who benefited from his death doesn't change the facts the matter. Or are you going to write off his first attempt as attempted murder? If so, how are you going to explain him keeping quiet about that attempt?

OhhhJa posted...
I understand innocent until proven guilty but there's also just sticking your head completely in the sand while it's also up your ass

I understand wanting to believe something so badly, but you can find less crazy shit to buy into so you don't shave your head so far up that sand and ass.

Gaawa_chan posted...
Literally no one here is arguing that Epstein ordered and paid for this hit. This is a strawman.

Nate just did with his remark.

SpeedDemon20 posted...
The hitman was found dead.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/19/us/federal-judge-esther-salas-shooting-investigation/index.html

Sounds like the case... just hit a dead end >_>

Yellow posted...
I mean in all seriousness this was probably just another murder from the same group of millionaire pedos that killed Epstein.

We already know there are people out there who pay for sex with minors, and that Epstein had a sex ring, it's not too far off that those people would murder a couple people to cover their own asses.

Good luck to whatever (dead) investigator that wants to get to the bottom of this.

....so instead of killing the person actually overseeing the case -- let alone anybody investigating the case -- they decided to kill a judge's husband (who, by the way, was also a lawyer and was probably working on something) and injure her son.... because reasons?

I guess on the plus side, anybody who also wants somebody dead will always get a free pass when targeting anything even tangentially related to any Epstein investigation because people only see the Epstein angle and immediately write off any other possibility. Regardless, the case she's supposed to be overseeing isn't about the pedo ring but instead a bank's history of shady transactions. The only connection that Douchebank has to Epstein is money-laundering. None of the high-powered individuals involved in the sex trafficking would likely be implicated.

wolfy42 posted...
I mean, why would millionares be pedos? Isn't it an extremely rare condition? Also millionares can like get tons of girls easy right? So I mean, I really don't get it. Same with them raping women etc, why? Although millionares are not really that rich anymore, so maybe hundred millionares, but same thing.

Do they mean millionares that have sex with like 16-17 year old girls or something, and not kids? I just can't believe there are tons of people out there that actually want to have sex with pre-pubescent kids, and if it's true, I don't wanna know about it because I don't wanna live in that universe.

Yeah, Epstein specifically trafficked in underage girls but, afaik, they weren't prepubescent. And it's hard to be sure whether it's specifically because the youth itself was appealing or simply because they were more vulnerable, easier to groom, etc.


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wolfy42
07/20/20 5:00:28 PM
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Yellow posted...
If you go to any image booru site, you'll see that it's really not. I've heard 1 in 5 men from some study I don't care to look up.

Seriously, if you just divide the number of image posts the sexualize minors by the total number of posts you get roughly how many pedophiles. You don't account for a lot of things, such as porn artists not accounting for the entire population, but you get a rough idea.

I've also heard that pedophiles on average have a lower IQ, which makes me think that caught pedophiles in the criminal system have a lower IQ than the rest of them and make up the entire known demographic.

I also think millionaires see their lives as "I've had everything in life and there's still this one thing I haven't tried, am told I can't have, and therefore want". And there are sooo many men out there that glorify 18 year olds as the most sexy demographic, but then there's no way they would ever go any lower, right? They probably think "I have a million dollars, I can one up these plebs, I'm above their pleb rules"

At least that's why I think there are so many 1%er pedophiles.


See I don't consider people who find young women (IE after puberty) pedophiles. They are sick mind you (if the girl is like 13-15 at least, and even 16-18 is pretty rediculous for a grown man), but it's understandable. They can be fully developed and throughout history most women were married etc by the age of 16.

It makes biological sense at least to find them attractive and while a 30 year old dude shouldn't be trying to sleep with 15 year old girls, a 17 year old boy could certainly find a 15 year old girl attractive and want to sleep with her.

So that is different. I can even sorta understand the perspective of millionares wanting the forbidden in that way (and it's totally legal many places, even in the US for girls 16 and up).

That is diff from literally kids who have not hit puberty yet though. That is sick, selfish and I would suggest or would imagine it's similar to finding animals sexually attractive or other kinds of sexual attraction that isn't normal, and not common therefore. It doesn't make ANY sense from a biological standpoint (IE continuing the species).

I hope/think that it's just the gen population being mad at the 1% that makes them think so many are pedophiles, cause it doesn't make sense, and again, who wants to live in a universe where that is true.

It's already a sad universe where we have to worry about that at all with our kids, it's changed the freedoms children have, the ways adults can interact with them etc already. If so many of the rich are actually that way, would that mean so many more men would act similarly if they had the money/power to do so?

I can't believe that.

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Zeus
07/20/20 5:10:34 PM
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Yellow posted...
If you go to any image booru site, you'll see that it's really not. I've heard 1 in 5 men from some study I don't care to look up.

Seriously, if you just divide the number of image posts the sexualize minors by the total number of posts you get roughly how many pedophiles. You don't account for a lot of things, such as porn artists not accounting for the entire population, but you get a rough idea.

I've also heard that pedophiles on average have a lower IQ, which makes me think that caught pedophiles in the criminal system have a lower IQ than the rest of them and make up the entire known demographic.

I also think millionaires see their lives as "I've had everything in life and there's still this one thing I haven't tried, am told I can't have, and therefore want". And there are sooo many men out there that glorify 18 year olds as the most sexy demographic, but then there's no way they would ever go any lower, right? They probably think "I have a million dollars, I can one up these plebs, I'm above their pleb rules"

At least that's why I think there are so many 1%er pedophiles.

Which feels like a great example of throwing darts while blindfolded.

Yellow posted...
If you go to any image booru site, you'll see that it's really not. I've heard 1 in 5 men from some study I don't care to look up.

Seriously, if you just divide the number of image posts the sexualize minors by the total number of posts you get roughly how many pedophiles. You don't account for a lot of things, such as porn artists not accounting for the entire population, but you get a rough idea.

Three problems:

1) The most basic issue is that the minor/major designation has nothing to do with development and is an arbitrary number. Oftentimes somebody who's 17 -- and thereby illegal -- will look roughly the same when they turn 18. And, of course, because people develop at different rates, a 17 y/o (or even a 16 y/o or 15 y/o) may look older than a girl in her early 20s. There's a very strong chance that pretty much everybody who has ever looked at photos in their life has been attracted who they didn't realize was under the age of 18. By your logic, that makes everybody on the planet a pedophile.

2) You're basing your dumbshit theory on reactions to images where the people likely don't know the age of the person portrayed.

3) You're wrongly assuming that the internet population actually correlates with the general population, which is generally doesn't.

And that's not even getting into the fact that pedophilia relates to PREpubescent minors, not adolescents.

Yellow posted...
I've also heard that pedophiles on average have a lower IQ, which makes me think that caught pedophiles in the criminal system have a lower IQ than the rest of them and make up the entire known demographic.

Your claim is likely true for every fucking crime on the planet (although high IQ doesn't necessary mean that a person is smart enough to get away with something that a lower IQ could) and is a moronic way of evaluating anything.

Yellow posted...
I also think millionaires see their lives as "I've had everything in life and there's still this one thing I haven't tried, am told I can't have, and therefore want". And there are sooo many men out there that glorify 18 year olds as the most sexy demographic, but then there's no way they would ever go any lower, right? They probably think "I have a million dollars, I can one up these plebs, I'm above their pleb rules"

At least that's why I think there are so many 1%er pedophiles.

So many? Honestly, it's not many compared to the general population. When a rich person gets busted doing anything, we tend to sensationalize the crime more, but that's not the same thing as suggesting that they're any more likely than the general population to engage in any crime.

1%ers are like anybody else in most regards. They can just afford to hire better lawyers when they do get caught.

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wolfy42
07/20/20 5:12:21 PM
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Zeus posted...
Yeah, Epstein specifically trafficked in underage girls but, afaik, they weren't prepubescent. And it's hard to be sure whether it's specifically because the youth itself was appealing or simply because they were more vulnerable, easier to groom, etc.


See that is my problem, I don't think you should call guys who sleep with underage girls pedophiles, I get that the definition is "someone who is sexually attracted to children", so in theory underage girls qualify (cause they are still children till they reach the age of consent/maturity), but even that number is variable depending where you are.

Pedophiles should be restricted to those who are attracted to pre-pubescent children.

Sex trafficking is a whole nother story and if those under age girls were forced into having sex, that is horrible (although forcing anyone into sex is horrible). Still, you should deferentiate between under age girls, and actual children, because when I hear that most of the rich are pedophiles, I think that means they want to have sex with pre-pubescent kids, which is crazy.

It's wrong for them to go to other countries etc where the age of consent is younger or non-existant to have sex with very young women, and it's disturbing as well (considering how much power they have), but it's WAY worse if they all wanna have sex with undeveloped kids. One makes them disgusting, the other makes them monsters.

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OhhhJa
07/20/20 5:13:18 PM
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Zeus posted...
Occam's Razor. If a guy tried to commit suicide and is then found dead shortly after through the same method he tried to kill himself -- but was interrupted the first time -- is it more likely the guy killed himself or the Illuminati engaged in some vast international conspiracy to kill him?

Just because there were probably powerful people who benefited from his death doesn't change the facts the matter. Or are you going to write off his first attempt as attempted murder? If so, how are you going to explain him keeping quiet about that attempt?
There's also the independent autopsy where the guy concluded that it was extremely unlikely that the way his neck broke could've been done by someone hanging themselves. At least familiarize yourself with all the facts before trying to pretend you're an expert. There's also the odd coincidence that all the guards just went AWOL or passed out and the cameras coincidentally malfunctioned. These things coupled with the independent autopsy... You'd have to be really dense to accept that he committed suicide without question. I mean... christ... lmao

Zeus posted...
I understand wanting to believe something so badly, but you can find less crazy s*** to buy into so you don't shave your head so far up that sand and ass.

Sorry, I just actually have wrinkles in my brain
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OhhhJa
07/20/20 5:14:41 PM
#44:


wolfy42 posted...
See that is my problem, I don't think you should call guys who sleep with underage girls pedophiles, I get that the definition is "someone who is sexually attracted to children", so in theory underage girls qualify (cause they are still children till they reach the age of consent/maturity), but even that number is variable depending where you are.

Pedophiles should be restricted to those who are attracted to pre-pubescent children.

Sex trafficking is a whole nother story and if those under age girls were forced into having sex, that is horrible (although forcing anyone into sex is horrible). Still, you should deferentiate between under age girls, and actual children, because when I hear that most of the rich are pedophiles, I think that means they want to have sex with pre-pubescent kids, which is crazy.

It's wrong for them to go to other countries etc where the age of consent is younger or non-existant to have sex with very young women, and it's disturbing as well (considering how much power they have), but it's WAY worse if they all wanna have sex with undeveloped kids. One makes them disgusting, the other makes them monsters.
Dude some of these girls were as young as 12. Thats not simply underage ffs
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Zareth
07/20/20 5:23:17 PM
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Why am I not surprised that Zeus thinks Epstein killed himself.

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Zeus
07/20/20 5:24:56 PM
#46:


OhhhJa posted...
There's also the independent autopsy where the guy concluded that it was extremely unlikely that the way his neck broke could've been done by someone hanging themselves. At least familiarize yourself with all the facts before trying to pretend you're an expert.

Pretend that I'm an expert? You mean like the guy who did that independent autopsy? He's a celebrity forensic pathologist whose career is built around attracting headlines by making controversial claims. And if you actually bothered reading his findings instead of parroting headlines (and apparently exaggerating claims as well?), you'd see how flimsy his argument was.

And again, Occam's Razor -- was the guy who ALREADY tried to kill himself through that same method more likely to have killed himself or some shadowy international cabal? And do you believe that the prior suicide attempt was real or faked? And if it was faked, why didn't Epstein speak out then? And after all this time, why is the strongest "evidence" you have something that countless pathologists have mentioned is consistent with suicide as well?

After this, maybe you can bring out all of those experts who argued that the fires weren't hot enough to melt steel beams.

OhhhJa posted...
There's also the odd coincidence that all the guards just went AWOL or passed out and the cameras coincidentally malfunctioned. These things coupled with the independent autopsy... You'd have to be really dense to accept that he committed suicide without question. I mean... christ... lmao

>Believes batshit insane conspiracy theory
>Calls others dense

Don't you have a pizza to pick up?

OhhhJa posted...
Sorry, I just actually have wrinkles in my brain

Which go nice with all of the wrinkles in your "theories"

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wolfy42
07/20/20 5:34:24 PM
#47:


OhhhJa posted...
Dude some of these girls were as young as 12. Thats not simply underage ffs


That is extreme, but, as an example, my friend david's sister had her first child at 13 (named tina), her mother had her at 13 and her mothers mother had her mother at 13. I didn't grow up in a very good neighborhood, and it was fairly common for girls to get pregnant by the age of 13.

As far as I know most didn't get pregnant from adults at least, but the point is, to have a child by 13 you pretty much had to be sexually active at 12, so it can't be that rare.

I'm certainly not saying that adults should sleep with 12 year olds, or even 14-15 year olds, but It's also not that uncommon for sex to be happening at that age already (at least in poorer areas/societies etc).

It should be called something else when having sex with someone who is post-puberty. I also don't think it should be considered rape as long as they were willing, it should be a crime, but rape should be restricted to those who force themselves apon another person.

I would instead make it so if you have sex with someone under the age of consent, that is what your charged with (not raping them), unless you did both (in which case you get charged for both). The whole concept that they can't make a legal contract or are old enough to give consent is ridiculous. They CAN give consent, and they certainly are old enough to NOT give consent.

Can a 17 year old girl give consent to a 17 year old boy? Yes. Can that same girl NOT give consent...and therefore it's rape if the boy has sex with her? I certainly hope so. Therefore, the idea that a 17 year old girl can't give consent to a 24 year old guy (especially if she appears to be older than 18), is crazy, and it should not be considered rape.

We need to focus on actual pedophiles who find pre-pubescent kids attractive. We can stil have laws protecting children under the age of consent (I certainly wouldn't want some guy trying to seduce my daughter when she was 14 for instance if I had one, and I would probably kill him if he did), but that is a way different crime.

I'd make it illegal more because fathers are gonna take the law into their own hands if you don't heh. Seriously, if some 20+ year old dude slept with most fathers daughters when they were still younger than 18......there would be alot of fathers in prison for manslaughter I would imagine heh.

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OhhhJa
07/20/20 5:40:01 PM
#48:


Zeus posted...
Pretend that I'm an expert? You mean like the guy who did that independent autopsy? He's a celebrity forensic pathologist whose career is built around attracting headlines by making controversial claims. And if you actually bothered reading his findings instead of parroting headlines (and apparently exaggerating claims as well?), you'd see how flimsy his argument was.

And again, Occam's Razor -- was the guy who ALREADY tried to kill himself through that same method more likely to have killed himself or some shadowy international cabal? And do you believe that the prior suicide attempt was real or faked? And if it was faked, why didn't Epstein speak out then? And after all this time, why is the strongest "evidence" you have something that countless pathologists have mentioned is consistent with suicide as well?

https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/jeffrey-epstein-autopsy-baden-homicide-suicide-906192/

I say with skepticism that traditionally I do not see this described extent of injury with suicides, she says. These are definitely highly atypical and highly concerning.

Yet another medical expert just lying for publicity!

Zeus posted...
After this, maybe you can bring out all of those experts who argued that the fires weren't hot enough to melt steel beams
You are so mad about this lol

Zeus posted...
>Believes bats*** insane conspiracy theory
>Calls others dense
I mean... the guards DID allegedly fall asleep and the cameras DID "malfunction." I dont see how thats a conspiraxy theory. These are consistent with what every news outlet was posting.

Zeus posted...
Don't you have a pizza to pick up?
You are so upset lmao

Zeus posted...
Which go nice with all of the wrinkles in your "theories"
Oh man... sick burn dude
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ParanoidObsessive
07/20/20 5:49:47 PM
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Yellow posted...
I've also heard that pedophiles on average have a lower IQ, which makes me think that caught pedophiles in the criminal system have a lower IQ than the rest of them and make up the entire known demographic.

Reminds me of an old psychology joke:

"People with ASPD (Anti-Social Personality Disorder) who have lower IQs become criminals. People with ASPD who have higher IQs become used-car salesmen or politicians."
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Mead
07/20/20 6:01:58 PM
#50:


ParanoidObsessive posted...
Reminds me of an old psychology joke:

"People with ASPD (Anti-Social Personality Disorder) who have lower IQs become criminals. People with ASPD who have higher IQs become used-car salesmen or politicians."

so they become criminals regardless of IQ

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