Board 8 > Coronavirus Topic 10

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Try to keep debate centered around the Coronavirus itself. Discuss testing, outbreaks, trends, safety regulations, vaccines, treatments, personal experiences with the disease, or so on.

This again is the counter I use.

https://youtu.be/NMre6IAAAiU

As you can see in it today, South Africa and India have been moving up quickly in cases, in addition to some of the usual players like Brazil and USA.

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A couple of people I have seen that tested positive recently are the Oklahoma governor, Russell Westbrook and Harrison Barnes, the Pac-12 commissioner, the Arizona Cardinals owner (I think).

We have yet to see anyone really famous succumb to the virus, which if someone did I think that the narrative to the every day person could change because it hits home moreso. However, famous people are getting the disease.

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https://www.wsj.com/articles/israelis-fear-schools-reopened-too-soon-as-covid-19-cases-climb-11594760001

Israel wondering if schools opening caused outbreaks. In a blow to those who think reopening schools is a good idea.

On the flip side, Belgium has criticized not reopening schools by saying abuse of children is rising dramatically.

Here is a graph of cases after reopening of schools for some countries.

https://i.imgur.com/K2YLGRn.png

Vertical lines are reopening dates.

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Also, Walmart requiring masks for all shoppers now.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-07-15/walmart-to-require-all-u-s-customers-wear-masks-as-of-july-20

Expect to see the complaining to amplify on social media very soon


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Wear

Your

Damn

Masks

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Masks have been made mandatory in shops within England starting next Friday. I was wearing a mask anytime I went to a grocery/convenience store anyway (outside of a couple of times, including today as I forgot to put it on before entering), so this doesn't really change anything for me individually.

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Just got my test done. The sensation of putting that thing deep in your nose truly is odd. My symptoms besides coughing and congestion only lasted for like four days so I think I'm probably negative, but it could just be a really mild case.

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Pretty well! They did better than a few of countries that had strict lockdowns.

"sweden did great because they're not the country that did the absolute worst in the world"? this is really the argument you're going with?

How do you explain that exactly if lockdowns are a magic panacea which definitely work?

nice straw man

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Mr Lasastryke posted...

this is really the argument you're going with?

Do you need to ask?
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Not sure if my cousins wedding is cancelled or not due to new pa guidelines.

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Corrik7 posted...

https://www.wsj.com/articles/israelis-fear-schools-reopened-too-soon-as-covid-19-cases-climb-11594760001

Israel wondering if schools opening caused outbreaks. In a blow to those who think reopening schools is a good idea.

On the flip side, Belgium has criticized not reopening schools by saying abuse of children is rising dramatically.

Here is a graph of cases after reopening of schools for some countries.

https://i.imgur.com/K2YLGRn.png

Vertical lines are reopening dates.

Yeah, looking at that graph (assuming the scale is not really off between countries) whatever happened in Israel doesn't seem to be linked to schools, or if so there's something particularly off about how schools are opening there.

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Yesmar_ posted...

Yeah, looking at that graph (assuming the scale is not really off between countries) whatever happened in Israel doesn't seem to be linked to schools, or if so there's something particularly off about how schools are opening there.

Large number of infected are kids and staff. I read something like 1400 kids and 600 staff members. Don't quote me on those numbers.

Oh 1335 and 691. Is in article itself.

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Can someone give me a non-political explanation as to why women's soccer was allowed to start up a month ago, but we're still insisting college football definitely will be to unsafe to start two months from now?

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Because college football involves more players than soccer at closer average proximity than soccer.

It is exponentially harder to operate safely.

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I imagine there's more push back from college football players than women's soccer players to play.

What's the political explanation?


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Like men's soccer is also currently playing...

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SmartMuffin posted...

Can someone give me a non-political explanation as to why women's soccer was allowed to start up a month ago, but we're still insisting college football definitely will be to unsafe to start two months from now?

football players actively try to make physical contact with each other while soccer players are generally more separate?
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soccer players make contact too, though.

if men's soccer is indeed also playing, i don't think this is a "political" thing, but it seems pretty dumb to go "well soccer is kinda safe so that's ok now."

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i had some semi large fatigue about a week ago, but I seem fine now. Still more or less staying in my apartment by myself though, only been outside once to buy groceries. Wear masks please.

Also was lucky and they had like 4 containers of chlorox wipes left so I was able to pick one up.

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Mr Lasastryke posted...

soccer players make contact too, though.

Not with the regularity that happens in football. Not even close.

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red13n posted...

Not with the regularity that happens in football. Not even close.

sure, but the players make enough contact for me to think that it's not a great idea to already allow soccer matches to happen. it's not football but it's not golf either.

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Soccer players are spread out along the entire field for much of the game.

Football players spend every play literally all huddled together trying to grapple with each other.

There's a pretty decent difference.

Like, neither should be happening, but equating the two is also silly.

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NWSL is in a bubble, similar to MLS and NBA. That is the reason they are playing now.

College Football isnt going to happen because you cant put them in a bubble, and its hard to tell 99% of a student body that it isnt safe to be on campus and then say except you football guys. We need you to make us money badly

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StealThisSheen posted...

Like, neither should be happening, but equating the two is also silly.

yeah, this is what i think about it.

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StealThisSheen posted...

Soccer players are spread out along the entire field for much of the game.

Football players spend every play literally all huddled together trying to grapple with each other.

There's a pretty decent difference.

Like, neither should be happening, but equating the two is also silly.

A football team also has like 3 times the personnel (players, coaches, staff) as the average soccer team. Ballpark numbers of course. But just in terms of players, a soccer team dresses ~20 active players, while a football team dresses ~60 or so.

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Yeah, the NBA, MLS and NHL are all playing (or planning to play) in hub cities. College football can't really do that.

Still waiting for SmartMuffin's political angle

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Professional sports are interesting to me.

I think there is an understanding that there is an element of "not safe" to them. But also that getting live sports off the ground and on TV could play a critical role in getting people to stay the fuck home. So I think there is definitely some merit in asking them to play at some risk to themselves if they are willing.

That said, college sports where the players are already being exploited should absolutely not be attempting to play right now.

The NFL is also likely too high risk to get off the ground but I expect them to make the least effort to make play safe.

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red13n posted...

Professional sports are interesting to me.

I think there is an understanding that there is an element of "not safe" to them. But also that getting live sports off the ground and on TV could play a critical role in getting people to stay the fuck home. So I think there is definitely some merit in asking them to play at some risk to themselves if they are willing.

That said, college sports where the players are already being exploited should absolutely not be attempting to play right now.

The NFL is also likely too high risk to get off the ground but I expect them to make the least effort to make play safe.

Imagine telling people who want to play they shouldn't be playing now and it possibly being able to cost them millions of dollars at the next level.

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Corrik7 posted...

Imagine telling people who want to play they shouldn't be playing now and it possibly being able to cost them millions of dollars at the next level.

are they going to share with the rest of the team?

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red13n posted...

are they going to share with the rest of the team?

I would assume all the other players that want to play are also going to be doing their best to try and make a career at the next level also.

Under your philosophy they shouldn't be allowed to attempt to make their dreams come true.

I mean, imagine how much money Joe Burrow would have lost if they didn't have a season last year.

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Corrik7 posted...

I would assume all the other players that want to play are also going to be doing their best to try and make a career at the next level also.

Under your philosophy they shouldn't be allowed to attempt to make their dreams come true.

No, under my philosophy the dream isn't going to come true for most of them.

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charmander6000 posted...

Still waiting for SmartMuffin's political angle

College football is the least woke of all sports and is enjoyed primarily by poor southerners, not northern elites.

Almost everything about how these shutdowns have been targeted has basically been class and tribal warfare.

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charmander6000 posted...

Yeah, the NBA, MLS and NHL are all playing (or planning to play) in hub cities. College football can't really do that.

Still waiting for SmartMuffin's political angle

He doesnt want a political answer here because he already knows it, but doesnt want to admit it. If people would take this seriously, wear a damn mask, and think about others instead of just themselves, we could have this under control and things like college football wouldnt be in jeopardy.

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SmartMuffin posted...

College football is the least woke of all sports and is enjoyed primarily by poor southerners, not northern elites.

Almost everything about how these shutdowns have been targeted has basically been class and tribal warfare.

I legitimately have no idea what youre talking about here. What other aspect of the shutdowns do you see as targeted class warfare?

also they brought back nascar already and thats the poorest southernest thing around
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As someone near Penn state university in Pennsylvania I can assure you economies of entire counties are based on college football and its not a southern thing. I personally stand to lose hundreds of thousands of dollars when PSU doesn't play.

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Samurai7 posted...

As someone near Penn state university in Pennsylvania I can assure you economies of entire counties are based on college football and its not a southern thing. I personally stand to lose hundreds of thousands of dollars when PSU doesn't play.

Well, Internet guru, red, said that financial dream of making hundreds of thousands of dollars isn't going to come true for you because he said so. His word matters more than those who wish to compete and those whose livelihoods matter on it, with the players willingness to play.

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Corrik7 posted...

Well, Internet guru, red, said that financial dream of making hundreds of thousands of dollars isn't going to come true for you because he said so. His word matters more than those who wish to compete and those whose livelihoods matter on it, with the players willingness to play.

then pay the players.

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I'm not necessarily opposed to no college football, but i am worried that centre county will have a complete collapse

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SmartMuffin posted...

College football is the least woke of all sports and is enjoyed primarily by poor southerners, not northern elites.

Imagine being this delusional and paranoid that'd you'd actually believe sports lockdowns are being targeted towards specific groups of people.

https://thespun.com/college-football/the-10-most-powerful-fan-bases-in-college-football

Nothing says "poor southerner" like Ohio State and Notre Dame I guess.
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I'd be surprised if college football goes ahead (or completes the season) purely because of the sheer number of players they would have to keep tabs on.

105 players per college (not including staff). 130 teams even if you restrict it to just top division. And you're dealing with unpaid college kids rather than (theoretically) more mature adults whose earnings depend on it.

I just don't trust college kids not to mess it up when you're dealing with that many.

I said primarily, not exclusively.

The point is that New York and DC are college football dead-zones, and that's where all the political and journalist class lives.

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"The point is"

... what?

I mean no seriously, what does how NY/DC operate have to do with women's soccer and college football shutdowns being proof of "class and tribal warfare"?
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MoogleKupo141 posted...

also they brought back nascar already and thats the poorest southernest thing around

But the reptilian elites planted the noose in there to make NASCAR look bad man.
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ShatteredElysium posted...

I'd be surprised if college football goes ahead (or completes the season) purely because of the sheer number of players they would have to keep tabs on.

105 players per college (not including staff). 130 teams even if you restrict it to just top division. And you're dealing with unpaid college kids rather than (theoretically) more mature adults whose earnings depend on it.

I just don't trust college kids not to mess it up when you're dealing with that many.

I'd be surprised if they didn't. I would also be surprised if Clemson and LSU and Alabama didn't have covid parties to get immunity for their teams for the season.

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ok I was trying to look up exactly who makes the decision for whether or not college football will happen and found this quote that maybe explains a different between college football and womens soccer

College football remains a four-touchdown underdog, thanks to individual campuses, academic requirements and the inability to take 13,000 FBS players and put them in a bubble. If the NBAs ability to play in a bubble that reportedly costs $150 million is being regarded as tenuous, the chances of college football being played in some recognizable form in the fall are similar to attempting to keep a candle lit while walking 10 miles in a hurricane.

there are too many college football players to keep isolated in the way theyre doing it for other sports
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The other fun part is there is no actual guy in charge of college football, so its going to be a random assortment of ideas and cancelations that will be impossible to force between all the teams

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College football seems poised for intraconference home and away schedules this year.

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Muffin is honestly correct when he says college football is the most "republican" or "conservative" or whatever of the 6 major sports leagues people watch (NFL, NBA, NHL, MLB, NCAAF, NCAAB. If you include MLS for 7 its still obviously the most conservative). Also Notre Dame and Ohio State are pretty shitty examples against his point, as Notre Dame is a Christian school and people dont realize how redneck and backwoods Ohio is. Especially the southern part of the state and western parts.

I mean since social media revolutionized recruiting in 2007 as well, the most powerful schools have pretty much been entirely in the SEC (Bama, LSU, Florida, UGA, Auburn), Clemson (south carolina), Ohio State, and like the occasional Oregon or something, and Oregon had Nike bankrolling it.

http://www.thepostgame.com/blog/dish/201303/how-politics-correlate-sports-interests

Pretty interesting breakdown.

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I dont dispute his idea of the demographics of college footballs fanbase

I dispute that it has anything to do with why they wont play this season
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