Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 310: Kanye Believe It?

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StealThisSheen posted...

Yes. So how hard is it to go "Here's Nick Cannon being crazy and invoking the name of an anti-semitic" and let the clip speak for itself? Why be misleading as if it's not already bad enough?

You always complain about sensationalism, so this shouldn't seem like too weird of an argument to you.

I posted someone's Twitter post and laughed at why white people are supposedly racist by a guy clearly being racist about white people. Lol.

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Corrik7 posted...

even the most extreme liberals are denouncing as an anti-Semitic and hurtful to their cause.

kinda weird that the tweeter is going "SO WHEN DOES HE GET CANCELED?!?", though, as if he would never get canceled because tons of people are passionately defending him or something.

like, if almost everyone thinks he's a crazy racist and anti-semite, the answer should be "probably very soon...?"

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I'm not talking about you.

I'm talking about the fact people take stuff like this, and instead of going "Here's Nick Cannon being a fucking whackjob," they sensationalize it in a way that they can go "this is what black people actually think."

And that's a problem.

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Mr Lasastryke posted...

kinda weird that the tweeter is going "SO WHEN DOES HE GET CANCELED?!?", though, as if he would never get canceled because tons of people are passionately defending him or something.

like, if almost everyone thinks he's a crazy racist and anti-semite, the answer should be "probably very soon...?"

Ironically It is probably from hypocrite right wingers who cry cancelling people is stupid also and it shouldn't happen.

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StealThisSheen posted...

I'm not talking about you.

I'm talking about the fact people take stuff like this, and instead of going "Here's Nick Cannon being a fucking whackjob," they sensationalize it in a way that they can go "this is what black people actually think."

And that's a problem.

Uh... The Twitter post says here is Nick Cannon saying stupid shit. Lol.

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Right, but by taking his quotes out of context, as if they weren't already bad enough, it's pushing a bigger narrative.

"Nick Cannon says white people are a little less compassionate because they lack pigment"
is stupid enough.

But when you instead portray it as
"Nick Cannon says white people are "a little less,"
far right idiots are going to grasp on that as part of the bigger narrative they're trying to push.

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StealThisSheen posted...

Right, but by taking his quotes out of context, as if they weren't already bad enough, it's pushing a bigger narrative.

"Nick Cannon says white people are a little less compassionate because they lack pigment"
is stupid enough.

But when you instead portray it as
"Nick Cannon says white people are "a little less,"
far right idiots are going to grasp on that as part of the bigger narrative they're trying to push.

I don't think he means compassionate. He means less as people imo. Resetera denounced his anti-Semitism and posted about 5 percent nation which was enlightening but in their eyes you can't be racist to white people anyways so at least they are consistent on it can't be racism lol.

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Basically, I'm not arguing at all that what he says isn't dumb, crazy, and racist.

I'm just saying let it stand on its own as dumb, crazy, and racist.

Let's not tweak the messaging in ways intended to stir certain people up even more.

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StealThisSheen posted...

The only thing he says about now are that white people are "a little less" compassionate, which is... An opinion?

The "savages" and "closer to animals" comments are talking about the past, because he keeps saying things like "they had to be," and "they built up this warrior, this conquering mentality."

Dunno it sounds like you defended it til I warned ya.

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Corrik7 posted...

I don't think he means compassionate.

"They have the lack of compassion that melanin-melanin comes with compassion. Melanin comes with soul. We call, we call it soul. We soul brothers and sisters. That's the melanin. So the people that don't have it, have-are-are a little, and I'm gonna say this carefully, are a little less. And where the term actually comes from, I'm gonna bring it all the way back around ... To where they may not have the compassion."

He's talking about compassion. Again, dumb, crazy, and racist, but let's just let it stand as what it actually is.

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StealThisSheen posted...

when the context is clearly "a little less compassionate."

I don't think this means the same as lacking compassion due to color of their skin.

He means a little less as a person because they lack compassion / soul. Not that they have a little less compassion. Do you get the difference?

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https://twitter.com/leahgreenb/status/1283204880631463937?s=21

See you in hell Jeff Sessions
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Speaking of dumb, crazy, and racist...

https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1283136059971448832

Transcript

Herridge: Let's talk about George Floyd. You said George Floyd's death was a terrible thing.

Trump: Terrible.

Herridge: Why are African Americans still dying at the hands of law enforcement in this country?

Trump: So are white people. So are white people. What a terrible question to ask. So are white people. More white people by the way. More white people.

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Lectures being online is kind of whatever; some professors can do it great, some can't do it for their life (and it's of course much more difficult to concentrate and somewhat less engaging).

The more important piece is not being able to easily collaborate with your classmates. My last physics class was bad enough working on homework with friends in person. I just gave up on it the second half of the semester

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https://twitter.com/donaldjtrumpjr/status/1283186904998043650?s=21

Calling your kid brother dumb to own the libs

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How dare those liberals bring a child into thi-... wait

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west 2024

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White House trade advisor Peter Navarro, not content to merely be horrendously wrong on trade, is now writing hitpiece opeds about Fauci:

https://twitter.com/chrislhayes/status/1283208842378129414?s=21

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o/u weeks until Fauci is fired/resigns/is reassigned: 2

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I'm pretty certain he can't legally be fired since he's not a political appointee (not that that'll stop Trump from trying).

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LordoftheMorons posted...

I'm pretty certain he can't legally be fired since he's not a political appointee (not that that'll stop Trump from trying).

you are correct, my understanding is he can only be fired for cause

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Trump's just gonna ask Barr to release a statement saying Fauci has resigned since it has worked so well so far

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https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1283119890484867076

what the fuck

Since that link goes to one of nyt's weird continuous update stream things:
https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/14/politics/trump-administration-coronavirus-hospital-data-cdc/index.html

The Times said hospitals are to begin reporting the data to HHS on Wednesday, noting also that the "database that will receive new information is not open to the public, which could affect the work of scores of researchers, modelers and health officials who rely on C.D.C. data to make projections and crucial decisions."

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one day, the virus numbers will just disappear, like a miracle

Edit: Yeah, NYT broke it off into its own article, found it on the main page.

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damn conservative cancel culture is out of control

https://twitter.com/phil_lewis_/status/1283208952319287297

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Damn they got him too. Free Nick.

PS: I haven't verified but I have heard Twitter is pretty hard defending him saying he was only telling the truth.

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"The league's June 7 memo listed the following as considerations for high-risk individuals:
African American, Hispanic or Pacific Islander
BMI 28
Sleep apnea
Hypertension
Altered immunity
Diabetes mellitus
Cardiac disease"

Wait what? First of all, that is probably 60% of the league if not more on bmi due to muscle mass.

2nd, being a minority is an opt out reason? What? Lol.

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HeroDelTiempo17 posted...

damn conservative cancel culture is out of control

lmaoo

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https://twitter.com/IvankaTrump/status/1283221019684110337

wat

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Is that the sequel to the Trump taco bowl tweet

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Grimlyn posted...

https://twitter.com/IvankaTrump/status/1283221019684110337

wat

Is this a crime?

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Yes. Yes it is.

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Yes. Yes it is.

An employee shall not use his public office for his own private gain, for the endorsement of any product, service or enterprise, or for the private gain of friends, relatives, or persons with whom the employee is affiliated in a nongovernmental capacity, including nonprofit organizations of which the employee is an officer or member, and persons with whom the employee has or seeks employment or business relations.

https://www.fda.gov/media/104757/download

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Dark Young Link posted...

An employee shall not use his public office for his own private gain, for the endorsement of any product, service or enterprise, or for the private gain of friends, relatives, or persons with whom the employee is affiliated in a nongovernmental capacity, including nonprofit organizations of which the employee is an officer or member, and persons with whom the employee has or seeks employment or business relations.

Ivanka Trump at her ethics hearing:
https://i.imgur.com/z61R5JM.gif

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Does Ivanka Trump have a "public office"?

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Senior Advisor to the President

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Wild rule. Pretty much every school board member and commissioner or etc I have ever seen is in deep shit based on that.

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StealThisSheen posted...

Senior Advisor to the President

Is that a public office? They have be in control of some sovereignty and able to make orders I believe for it to be considered a public office.

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Corrik7 posted...

Is that a public office? They have be in control of some sovereignty and able to make orders I believe for it to be considered a public office.

The only reason Kellyanne Conway was considered to have not broken the law was because they decided she "accidentally" advertised instead of doing it intentionally. If it applies to her, it would apply to Ivanka. It's any employee of the Executive.

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Says Kelly Anne Conway was in consideration for a violation because she was a paid federal employee and thus it consititutes using government money for advertising

This says...

Ivanka Trump is now officially an employee of the U.S. government. The White House announced Wednesday that she will take no pay and serve as an assistant to the president.

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Doesn't matter if she "takes no pay" or not, she's still an employee. The law doesn't specify "paid" employee.

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StealThisSheen posted...

Doesn't matter if she "takes no pay" or not, she's still an employee.

It does matter according to the Conway situation.

So then the question again becomes does she hold public office?

Because trust me, we aren't gonna be firing irs members who say they like taco bell on their facebooks. Lol.

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Also she's absolutely taking pay.

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The complaint accuses Conway of violating laws prohibiting the use of public office for private gain and using public funds for purposes they were not intended.

These were the complaints made against her.

She wasn't using public funds. So the question is if she has public office she used for private gain.

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Dark Young Link posted...

Also she's absolutely taking pay.

https://www.closerweekly.com/posts/does-ivanka-trump-get-a-salary-154859/

From the government she isn't. And likely for a reason because of her deals and such she has for her actual income.

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Whoever I have ignored must be talking like Goya isn't making big donations to the Trump campaign, which is very funny

Corrik7 posted...

It does matter according to the Conway situation.

So then the question again becomes does she hold public office?

Because trust me, we aren't gonna be firing irs members who say they like taco bell on their facebooks. Lol.

The law is literally

An employee shall not use or permit the use of his Government position or title or any authority associated with his public office to endorse any product, service or enterprise.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/5/2635.702

Whatever you're reading that says you must be paid is incorrect.

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And if you click "Employee" there:

Status as an employee is unaffected by pay or leave status or, in the case of a special Government employee, by the fact that the individual does not perform official duties on a given day.

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And sorry to triple post, but

There's a big difference between an IRS worker tweeting "I love Taco Bell" and Ivanka literally tweeting Goya's advertising slogan with a picture of herself showing off the product.

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StealThisSheen posted...

And sorry to triple post, but

There's a big difference between an IRS worker tweeting "I love Taco Bell" and Ivanka literally tweeting Goya's advertising slogan with a picture of herself showing off the product.

Anyone arguing in good faith knows this.

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