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theAteam 06/30/20 2:31:22 PM #153:	People stopped caring. My gf's parents are both doctors working in hospitals and they stopped wearing masks around other people (outside the hospital). They just don't care anymore. I imagine there's a lot of people like that. --- Buffalo Bills <cite>theAteam posted [p:941482859] in So covid i... [t:78814060]...</cite> <quote>People stopped caring. My gf's parents are both doctors working in hospitals and they stopped wearing masks around other people (outside the hospital). They just don't care anymore. I imagine there's a lot of people like that. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Antifar 06/30/20 2:31:29 PM #155:	shockthemonkey posted... We also didnt see the anticipated spike after beaches opened, right? Werent there a lot fewer cases that were traced to beaches and public pools than what we expected once a lot of those opened for Memorial Day? Yeah. Everybody (myself included) saw Florida's beaches still open in late March, or the Wisconsin elections and assumed it was a covid bomb waiting to go off. It didn't, really. --- kin to all that throbs <cite>Antifar posted [p:941482867] in So covid i... [t:78814060]...</cite> <quote>shockthemonkey posted...</cite> <quote>We also didnt see the anticipated spike after beaches opened, right? Werent there a lot fewer cases that were traced to beaches and public pools than what we expected once a lot of those opened for Memorial Day? </quote> Yeah. Everybody (myself included) saw Florida's beaches still open in late March, or the Wisconsin elections and assumed it was a covid bomb waiting to go off. It didn't, really.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheGoldenEel 06/30/20 2:32:22 PM #156:	legendary_zell posted... People have not cited any sources in this topic. People are largely viewing it as a political ink blot test for your vision of society. If you dislike the left/protests, you blame them with no evidence. If you think it's due to Republicans, you blame them with no evidence. That doesn't mean some of these groups aren't more to blame than others, but the baseless speculation isn't helping. Bro TheGoldenEel posted... Health officials link surge in coronavirus cases in Pittsburgh area to bars, not protests https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/505142-health-officials-link-surge-in-coronavirus-cases-in-pittsburgh-area-to?amp Protests in Seattle and elsewhere dont appear to be driving coronavirus surge, researchers say https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/health/protests-in-seattle-and-elsewhere-dont-appear-to-be-driving-virus-surge-researchers-say/?amp=1 Parties Not Protests Are Causing Spikes In Coronavirus https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/06/24/883017035/what-contact-tracing-may-tell-about-cluster-spread-of-the-coronavirus Black Lives Matter protests may have slowed overall spread of coronavirus in Denver and other cities, new study finds https://coloradosun.com/2020/06/30/police-protests-coronavirus-spread/ COVID-19 has not surged in cities with big protests, but it has in states that reopened early. Here are some possible reasons. https://www.inquirer.com/health/coronavirus/coronavirus-no-spike-cities-despite-protests-big-surge-in-states-that-reopened-20200627.html?outputType=amp More reported COVID-19 cases linked to bars than protests, officials say https://www.klkntv.com/more-reported-covid-19-cases-coming-from-bars-than-protests-officials-say/ Did protests spread the coronavirus? Here are the Utah numbers and the national research. https://www.sltrib.com/news/2020/06/27/how-much-did-protests/ --- The words of The Golden Eel have been revealed... Games: http://backloggery.com/wrldindstries302 \\ Music: http://www.last.fm/user/DrMorberg/ <cite>TheGoldenEel posted [p:941482914] in So covid i... [t:78814060]...</cite> <quote>legendary_zell posted... </cite> <quote>People have not cited any sources in this topic. People are largely viewing it as a political ink blot test for your vision of society. If you dislike the left/protests, you blame them with no evidence. If you think it's due to Republicans, you blame them with no evidence. That doesn't mean some of these groups aren't more to blame than others, but the baseless speculation isn't helping.</quote> Bro TheGoldenEel posted... </cite> <quote>Health officials link surge in coronavirus cases in Pittsburgh area to bars, not protests https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/505142-health-officials-link-surge-in-coronavirus-cases-in-pittsburgh-area-to?amp Protests in Seattle and elsewhere dont appear to be driving coronavirus surge, researchers say https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/health/protests-in-seattle-and-elsewhere-dont-appear-to-be-driving-virus-surge-researchers-say/?amp=1 Parties Not Protests Are Causing Spikes In Coronavirus https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/06/24/883017035/what-contact-tracing-may-tell-about-cluster-spread-of-the-coronavirus Black Lives Matter protests may have slowed overall spread of coronavirus in Denver and other cities, new study finds https://coloradosun.com/2020/06/30/police-protests-coronavirus-spread/ COVID-19 has not surged in cities with big protests, but it has in states that reopened early. Here are some possible reasons. https://www.inquirer.com/health/coronavirus/coronavirus-no-spike-cities-despite-protests-big-surge-in-states-that-reopened-20200627.html?outputType=amp More reported COVID-19 cases linked to bars than protests, officials say https://www.klkntv.com/more-reported-covid-19-cases-coming-from-bars-than-protests-officials-say/ Did protests spread the coronavirus? Here are the Utah numbers and the national research. https://www.sltrib.com/news/2020/06/27/how-much-did-protests/</quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mr_Rian 06/30/20 2:32:40 PM #157:	legendary_zell posted... People have not cited any sources in this topic. I mean, there was a post with a bunch of links cited on like the first page or so, wasn't there? --- Holy crap! How have I not set a signature for the message boards yet? <cite>Mr_Rian posted [p:941482932] in So covid i... [t:78814060]...</cite> <quote>legendary_zell posted...</cite> <quote>People have not cited any sources in this topic.</quote> I mean, there was a post with a bunch of links cited on like the first page or so, wasn't there?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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soulunison2 06/30/20 2:35:45 PM #159:	shockthemonkey posted... We also didnt see the anticipated spike after beaches opened, right? Werent there a lot fewer cases that were traced to beaches and public pools than what we expected once a lot of those opened for Memorial Day? californias spike can be traced to Memorial Day weekend <cite>soulunison2 posted [p:941483064] in So covid i... [t:78814060]...</cite> <quote>shockthemonkey posted... </cite> <quote>We also didnt see the anticipated spike after beaches opened, right? Werent there a lot fewer cases that were traced to beaches and public pools than what we expected once a lot of those opened for Memorial Day?</quote> californias spike can be traced to Memorial Day weekend </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Bleuets 06/30/20 2:36:28 PM #161:	Mr_Rian posted... I mean, there was a post with a bunch of links cited on like the first page or so, wasn't there? he means real sources, not kltvn the local Nebraska new station or an article that claims protests are actually slowing down the spread of the virus . are we fucking serious? <cite>Bleuets posted [p:941483103] in So covid i... [t:78814060]...</cite> <quote>Mr_Rian posted... </cite> <quote>I mean, there was a post with a bunch of links cited on like the first page or so, wasn't there?</quote> he means real sources, not kltvn the local Nebraska new station or an article that claims protests are actually slowing down the spread of the virus . are we fucking serious? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EvilutionV316 06/30/20 2:37:31 PM #162:	States opening too early and mass protests. --- "GameFAQs isn't going to be merged in with GameSpot or any other site. We're not going to strip out the soul of the site." - CJayC - 06/03/03 <cite>EvilutionV316 posted [p:941483155] in So covid i... [t:78814060]...</cite> <quote>States opening too early and mass protests. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TheGoldenEel 06/30/20 2:39:48 PM #164:	Bleuets posted... he means real sources, not kltvn the local Nebraska new station or an article that claims protests are actually slowing down the spread of the virus . are we fucking serious? I gave a range of sources, all of them cite studies and hard numbers. My reason for showing a range of sources is because people like yourself would probably write off npr as liberal propaganda or some shitId expect local news in Nebraska and Utah to skew more right to give some perspective --- The words of The Golden Eel have been revealed... Games: http://backloggery.com/wrldindstries302 \\ Music: http://www.last.fm/user/DrMorberg/ <cite>TheGoldenEel posted [p:941483270] in So covid i... [t:78814060]...</cite> <quote>Bleuets posted... </cite> <quote>he means real sources, not kltvn the local Nebraska new station or an article that claims protests are actually slowing down the spread of the virus . are we fucking serious?</quote>I gave a range of sources, all of them cite studies and hard numbers. My reason for showing a range of sources is because people like yourself would probably write off npr as liberal propaganda or some shitId expect local news in Nebraska and Utah to skew more right to give some perspective </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
soulunison2 06/30/20 2:40:23 PM #165:	shockthemonkey posted... But from the beaches opening or people throwing indoor parties? I know there was a small spike after Easter and Im absolutely just thinking out loud but mostly seems like the outdoor gatherings arent nearly as dangerous. all of the Above Technically the small spike was occurring during a shelter in place so most parties werent properly held <cite>soulunison2 posted [p:941483294] in So covid i... [t:78814060]...</cite> <quote>shockthemonkey posted... </cite> <quote>But from the beaches opening or people throwing indoor parties? I know there was a small spike after Easter and Im absolutely just thinking out loud but mostly seems like the outdoor gatherings arent nearly as dangerous.</quote> all of the Above Technically the small spike was occurring during a shelter in place so most parties werent properly held </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
legendary_zell 06/30/20 2:40:28 PM #166:	Mr_Rian posted... I mean, there was a post with a bunch of links cited on like the first page or so, wasn't there? I mean in terms of the actual practical arguments people have made. People aren't citing those sources or acknowledging them. It's just a fight of assertion vs assertion in the actual debate. No one blaming the protests has any support whatsoever for that idea. No one who is blaming Republicans has supported their ideas either. It is pretty clear at this point that the protests are not causing it and that it's happening in both red and blue states. This is not to make a both sides argument, it's to encourage people to draw their arguments from evidence and defend them with evidence. I think that'll lead pretty directly to the right conclusions: the people blaming the protests being discredited, and young people also taking responsibility for spreading and not just blaming Republicans and boomers (who SHOULD be saddled with disproportionate blame). Essentially, I believe the evidence shows this is a total system failure that springs from a lot of points. --- I gotta be righteous, I gotta be me, I gotta be conscious, I gotta be free, I gotta be able, I gotta attack, I gotta be stable, I gotta be black. <cite>legendary_zell posted [p:941483297] in So covid i... [t:78814060]...</cite> <quote>Mr_Rian posted... </cite> <quote>I mean, there was a post with a bunch of links cited on like the first page or so, wasn't there?</quote> I mean in terms of the actual practical arguments people have made. People aren't citing those sources or acknowledging them. It's just a fight of assertion vs assertion in the actual debate. No one blaming the protests has any support whatsoever for that idea. No one who is blaming Republicans has supported their ideas either. It is pretty clear at this point that the protests are not causing it and that it's happening in both red and blue states. This is not to make a both sides argument, it's to encourage people to draw their arguments from evidence and defend them with evidence. I think that'll lead pretty directly to the right conclusions: the people blaming the protests being discredited, and young people also taking responsibility for spreading and not just blaming Republicans and boomers (who SHOULD be saddled with disproportionate blame). Essentially, I believe the evidence shows this is a total system failure that springs from a lot of points. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 06/30/20 2:40:33 PM #167:	Bleuets posted... he means real sources, not kltvn the local Nebraska new station or an article that claims protests are actually slowing down the spread of the virus . are we fucking serious? It's from an NBER paper... It's easily the most reputable source that's been posted... --- But to you who are listening I say: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:941483302] in So covid i... [t:78814060]...</cite> <quote>Bleuets posted... </cite> <quote>he means real sources, not kltvn the local Nebraska new station or an article that claims protests are actually slowing down the spread of the virus . are we fucking serious?</quote> It's from an NBER paper... It's easily the most reputable source that's been posted... </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Bleuets 06/30/20 2:41:02 PM #168:	TheGoldenEel posted... I gave a range of sources, all of them cite studies and hard numbers. My reason for showing a range of sources is because people like yourself would probably write off npr as liberal propaganda or some shitId expect local news in Nebraska and Utah to skew more right to give some perspective I mean, you have an article that says protests are actually slowing down the virus... you think that isnt a tad bit biased? <cite>Bleuets posted [p:941483326] in So covid i... [t:78814060]...</cite> <quote>TheGoldenEel posted... </cite> <quote>I gave a range of sources, all of them cite studies and hard numbers. My reason for showing a range of sources is because people like yourself would probably write off npr as liberal propaganda or some shitId expect local news in Nebraska and Utah to skew more right to give some perspective</quote> I mean, you have an article that says protests are actually slowing down the virus... you think that isnt a tad bit biased? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DevsBro 06/30/20 2:42:26 PM #169:	AsucaHayashi posted... meanwhile the new list of countries able to travel to the EU: how does it feel to be lumped in with russia and brazil? Either good or bad depending on what these three colors mean. --- 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 <cite>DevsBro posted [p:941483395] in So covid i... [t:78814060]...</cite> <quote>AsucaHayashi posted... </cite> <quote>meanwhile the new list of countries able to travel to the EU: how does it feel to be lumped in with russia and brazil?</quote>Either good or bad depending on what these three colors mean. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheGoldenEel 06/30/20 2:43:37 PM #170:	Bleuets posted... I mean, you have an article that says protests are actually slowing down the virus... you think that isnt a tad bit biased? You are welcome to provide counterpoints right now I am posting articles with scientific studies and hard data, and your response has been I dont believe that maybe give even a single shred of actual evidence to back up your claim --- The words of The Golden Eel have been revealed... Games: http://backloggery.com/wrldindstries302 \\ Music: http://www.last.fm/user/DrMorberg/ <cite>TheGoldenEel posted [p:941483457] in So covid i... [t:78814060]...</cite> <quote>Bleuets posted... </cite> <quote>I mean, you have an article that says protests are actually slowing down the virus... you think that isnt a tad bit biased?</quote>You are welcome to provide counterpoints right now I am posting articles with scientific studies and hard data, and your response has been I dont believe that maybe give even a single shred of actual evidence to back up your claim </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 06/30/20 2:43:48 PM #171:	Balrog0 posted... It's from an NBER paper... It's easily the most reputable source that's been posted... It's plausible, in that the generally-younger people out protesting would be more likely to develop an active immunity than old fatasses loafing at the tavern. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:941483464] in So covid i... [t:78814060]...</cite> <quote>Balrog0 posted... </cite> <quote>It's from an NBER paper... It's easily the most reputable source that's been posted...</quote>It's plausible, in that the generally-younger people out protesting would be more likely to develop an active immunity than old fatasses loafing at the tavern. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
InfinityMonster 06/30/20 2:44:21 PM #172:	We don't know anything definitively. Florida and Texas opened up way before the protests, so the spread definitely seems slow and can't be ruled out if they're now spiking. People were getting the virus in January and February, but the spread and deaths didn't become really serious till the end of March and going forward. And yeah, most young people are asymptomatic so I don't see them all running out and getting tested. What's the number of protestors around the country? About a million or so. --- "It lies between the pit of man's fears and the summit of his knowledge" <cite>InfinityMonster posted [p:941483485] in So covid i... [t:78814060]...</cite> <quote>We don't know anything definitively. Florida and Texas opened up way before the protests, so the spread definitely seems slow and can't be ruled out if they're now spiking. People were getting the virus in January and February, but the spread and deaths didn't become really serious till the end of March and going forward. And yeah, most young people are asymptomatic so I don't see them all running out and getting tested. What's the number of protestors around the country? About a million or so. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Bleuets 06/30/20 2:45:44 PM #173:	TheGoldenEel posted... You are welcome to provide counterpoints right now I am posting articles with scientific studies and hard data, and your response has been I dont believe that maybe give even a single shred of actual evidence to back up your claim I believe mass gatherings caused a spike in corona... my gosh guys I better provide you proof of that I know my logic is way out there! <cite>Bleuets posted [p:941483547] in So covid i... [t:78814060]...</cite> <quote>TheGoldenEel posted... </cite> <quote>You are welcome to provide counterpoints right now I am posting articles with scientific studies and hard data, and your response has been I dont believe that maybe give even a single shred of actual evidence to back up your claim</quote> I believe mass gatherings caused a spike in corona... my gosh guys I better provide you proof of that I know my logic is way out there! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheGoldenEel 06/30/20 2:47:18 PM #174:	Bleuets posted... I believe mass gatherings caused a spike in corona... my gosh guys I better provide you proof of that I know my logic is way out there! maybe provide even a single shred of evidence backing up your claim --- The words of The Golden Eel have been revealed... Games: http://backloggery.com/wrldindstries302 \\ Music: http://www.last.fm/user/DrMorberg/ <cite>TheGoldenEel posted [p:941483619] in So covid i... [t:78814060]...</cite> <quote>Bleuets posted... </cite> <quote>I believe mass gatherings caused a spike in corona... my gosh guys I better provide you proof of that I know my logic is way out there!</quote>maybe provide even a single shred of evidence backing up your claim </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sir Will 06/30/20 2:47:20 PM #175:	NM4 posted... Because literally every state opened too early. Many weren't closed properly in the first place. Nor did your government properly take care of people affected by the shut downs so they could be done properly. And now it's work or starve. Plus the politicization of masks and idiots not taking things seriously. --- River Song: Well, I was off to this gay gypsy bar mitzvah for the disabled when I thought 'Gosh, the Third Reich's a bit rubbish, I think i'll kill the Fuhrer' <cite>Sir Will posted [p:941483621] in So covid i... [t:78814060]...</cite> <quote>NM4 posted...</cite> <quote>Because literally every state opened too early. </quote> Many weren't closed properly in the first place. Nor did your government properly take care of people affected by the shut downs so they could be done properly. And now it's work or starve. Plus the politicization of masks and idiots not taking things seriously.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Bleuets 06/30/20 2:50:09 PM #176:	TheGoldenEel posted... maybe provide even a single shred of evidence backing up your claim look at a map of the states my dude. Theres your evidence. Oh wait I forgot, you dont believe thats from mass gatherings, thats from people who went to Olive Garden right? <cite>Bleuets posted [p:941483768] in So covid i... [t:78814060]...</cite> <quote>TheGoldenEel posted... </cite> <quote>maybe provide even a single shred of evidence backing up your claim</quote> look at a map of the states my dude. Theres your evidence. Oh wait I forgot, you dont believe thats from mass gatherings, thats from people who went to Olive Garden right? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dragon239 06/30/20 2:50:15 PM #177:	Literally argument from incredulity. --- https://imgur.com/nkZgO <cite>Dragon239 posted [p:941483772] in So covid i... [t:78814060]...</cite> <quote>Literally argument from incredulity. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheGoldenEel 06/30/20 2:52:28 PM #178:	Bleuets posted... look at a map of the states my dude. Theres your evidence. Oh wait I forgot, you dont believe thats from mass gatherings, thats from people who went to Olive Garden right? Ah yes, Arizona, a state well known for civil rights activism --- The words of The Golden Eel have been revealed... Games: http://backloggery.com/wrldindstries302 \\ Music: http://www.last.fm/user/DrMorberg/ <cite>TheGoldenEel posted [p:941483883] in So covid i... [t:78814060]...</cite> <quote>Bleuets posted... </cite> <quote>look at a map of the states my dude. Theres your evidence. Oh wait I forgot, you dont believe thats from mass gatherings, thats from people who went to Olive Garden right?</quote>Ah yes, Arizona, a state well known for civil rights activism </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
COVxy 06/30/20 2:55:28 PM #179:	Questionmarktarius posted... It's plausible, in that the generally-younger people out protesting would be more likely to develop an active immunity than old fatasses loafing at the tavern. Reading the abstract of that paper, I think the claim was that there was no evidence of a resurgence of covid following the protests, but evidence of more stay-at-home behavior from nonprotesters, suggesting that the net effect was either 0 or undetectable. --- =E[(x-E[x])(y-E[y])] <cite>COVxy posted [p:941484009] in So covid i... [t:78814060]...</cite> <quote>Questionmarktarius posted... </cite> <quote>It's plausible, in that the generally-younger people out protesting would be more likely to develop an active immunity than old fatasses loafing at the tavern.</quote> Reading the abstract of that paper, I think the claim was that there was no evidence of a resurgence of covid following the protests, but evidence of more stay-at-home behavior from nonprotesters, suggesting that the net effect was either 0 or undetectable. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
COVxy 06/30/20 2:56:13 PM #180:	Bleuets posted... look at a map of the states my dude. Theres your evidence. Oh wait I forgot, you dont believe thats from mass gatherings, thats from people who went to Olive Garden right? Nature is not self evident. There's a reason science is not a game of pure deduction. --- =E[(x-E[x])(y-E[y])] <cite>COVxy posted [p:941484042] in So covid i... [t:78814060]...</cite> <quote>Bleuets posted... </cite> <quote>look at a map of the states my dude. Theres your evidence. Oh wait I forgot, you dont believe thats from mass gatherings, thats from people who went to Olive Garden right?</quote> Nature is not self evident. There's a reason science is not a game of pure deduction. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
onedarksoul 06/30/20 2:58:56 PM #181:	Deaths are way down. --- Finish a game? Add it to our list! Beat 1,000 games: https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/213-nonstop-gaming-general/78785005 <cite>onedarksoul posted [p:941484172] in So covid i... [t:78814060]...</cite> <quote>Deaths are way down. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 06/30/20 2:58:57 PM #182:	COVxy posted... Reading the abstract of that paper, I think the claim was that there was no evidence of a resurgence of covid following the protests, but evidence of more stay-at-home behavior from nonprotesters, suggesting that the net effect was either 0 or undetectable. huh. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:941484173] in So covid i... [t:78814060]...</cite> <quote>COVxy posted... </cite> <quote>Reading the abstract of that paper, I think the claim was that there was no evidence of a resurgence of covid following the protests, but evidence of more stay-at-home behavior from nonprotesters, suggesting that the net effect was either 0 or undetectable.</quote>huh. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
onedarksoul 06/30/20 3:02:15 PM #183:	hockeybub89 posted... If only protesters weren't practicing social distancing and consistently wearing masks, you might have a point. This is collective American stupidity. You can't blame one group or thing. Chicago: https://twitter.com/JoshuaPotash/status/1277375967103778817 LA: https://twitter.com/hollandcourtney/status/1277994709269401602 "social distancing" So disingenuous. --- Finish a game? Add it to our list! Beat 1,000 games: https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/213-nonstop-gaming-general/78785005 <cite>onedarksoul posted [p:941484320] in So covid i... [t:78814060]...</cite> <quote>hockeybub89 posted... </cite> <quote>If only protesters weren't practicing social distancing and consistently wearing masks, you might have a point. This is collective American stupidity. You can't blame one group or thing.</quote>Chicago: https://twitter.com/JoshuaPotash/status/1277375967103778817 LA: https://twitter.com/hollandcourtney/status/1277994709269401602 "social distancing" So disingenuous. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Romes187 06/30/20 3:04:16 PM #184:	onedarksoul posted... Chicago: https://twitter.com/JoshuaPotash/status/1277375967103778817 LA: https://twitter.com/hollandcourtney/status/1277994709269401602 "social distancing" So disingenuous. I mean if masks really help stop the spread for that then CA shouldn't be closing beaches over the holiday weekend (not sure if newsom rescinded that order or not so forgive me...i cannot keep up with the pace of the news) <cite>Romes187 posted [p:941484394] in So covid i... [t:78814060]...</cite> <quote>onedarksoul posted... </cite> <quote>Chicago: https://twitter.com/JoshuaPotash/status/1277375967103778817 LA: https://twitter.com/hollandcourtney/status/1277994709269401602 "social distancing" So disingenuous.</quote> I mean if masks really help stop the spread for that then CA shouldn't be closing beaches over the holiday weekend (not sure if newsom rescinded that order or not so forgive me...i cannot keep up with the pace of the news) </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Balrog0 06/30/20 3:10:58 PM #186:	onedarksoul posted... Deaths are way down. There are record deaths in 7 states from what I read --- But to you who are listening I say: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:941484692] in So covid i... [t:78814060]...</cite> <quote>onedarksoul posted... </cite> <quote>Deaths are way down.</quote> There are record deaths in 7 states from what I read </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 06/30/20 3:13:14 PM #187:	Balrog0 posted... There are record deaths in 7 states from what I read It was hospitalizations although deaths are up for the first time in weeks Sorry it was hospitalizations https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/06/23/coronavirus-live-updates-us/ --- But to you who are listening I say: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:941484819] in So covid i... [t:78814060]...</cite> <quote>Balrog0 posted... </cite> <quote>There are record deaths in 7 states from what I read</quote> It was hospitalizations although deaths are up for the first time in weeks Sorry it was hospitalizations https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/06/23/coronavirus-live-updates-us/ </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Romes187 06/30/20 3:14:55 PM #188:	shockthemonkey posted... If there was no noticeable spread from protesters, and the protests also kept people in their homes who would have otherwise gone out and spread, then the protests were a net negative. I think. I'm sure those grandmas the protesters killed are very thankful of the fact that it was a net negative <cite>Romes187 posted [p:941484907] in So covid i... [t:78814060]...</cite> <quote>shockthemonkey posted... </cite> <quote>If there was no noticeable spread from protesters, and the protests also kept people in their homes who would have otherwise gone out and spread, then the protests were a net negative. I think.</quote> I'm sure those grandmas the protesters killed are very thankful of the fact that it was a net negative </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Romes187 06/30/20 3:16:11 PM #189:	Balrog0 posted... It was hospitalizations although deaths are up for the first time in weeks Sorry it was hospitalizations https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/06/23/coronavirus-live-updates-us/ yeah this was always an interesting stat does that mean people dying on the bed needing a vent and dropping like flies or does it mean a bunch of younger people with mild symptoms are going to the hospital because they are scared it'll be worse but it doesn't end up being worse we'll know if the deaths start spiking i guess <cite>Romes187 posted [p:941484973] in So covid i... [t:78814060]...</cite> <quote>Balrog0 posted... </cite> <quote>It was hospitalizations although deaths are up for the first time in weeks Sorry it was hospitalizations https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/06/23/coronavirus-live-updates-us/</quote> yeah this was always an interesting stat does that mean people dying on the bed needing a vent and dropping like flies or does it mean a bunch of younger people with mild symptoms are going to the hospital because they are scared it'll be worse but it doesn't end up being worse we'll know if the deaths start spiking i guess </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Bleuets 06/30/20 3:16:19 PM #190:	shockthemonkey posted... If there was no noticeable spread from protesters, and the protests also kept people in their homes who would have otherwise gone out and spread, then the protests were a net negative. I think. basically its saying: its not the protestors who have the rona, its the people not protesting who have it. Protests actually helped out by keeping the people who have the rona indoors. um yea, thats your scientific resource you all keep harping. And Im a conspiracy theorist for not believing that... <cite>Bleuets posted [p:941484981] in So covid i... [t:78814060]...</cite> <quote>shockthemonkey posted... </cite> <quote>If there was no noticeable spread from protesters, and the protests also kept people in their homes who would have otherwise gone out and spread, then the protests were a net negative. I think.</quote> basically its saying: its not the protestors who have the rona, its the people not protesting who have it. Protests actually helped out by keeping the people who have the rona indoors. um yea, thats your scientific resource you all keep harping. And Im a conspiracy theorist for not believing that... </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeus 06/30/20 3:18:06 PM #191:	TheGoldenEel posted... Health officials link surge in coronavirus cases in Pittsburgh area to bars, not protests https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/505142-health-officials-link-surge-in-coronavirus-cases-in-pittsburgh-area-to?amp Protests in Seattle and elsewhere dont appear to be driving coronavirus surge, researchers say https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/health/protests-in-seattle-and-elsewhere-dont-appear-to-be-driving-virus-surge-researchers-say/?amp=1 Parties Not Protests Are Causing Spikes In Coronavirus https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/06/24/883017035/what-contact-tracing-may-tell-about-cluster-spread-of-the-coronavirus Black Lives Matter protests may have slowed overall spread of coronavirus in Denver and other cities, new study finds https://coloradosun.com/2020/06/30/police-protests-coronavirus-spread/ COVID-19 has not surged in cities with big protests, but it has in states that reopened early. Here are some possible reasons. https://www.inquirer.com/health/coronavirus/coronavirus-no-spike-cities-despite-protests-big-surge-in-states-that-reopened-20200627.html?outputType=amp More reported COVID-19 cases linked to bars than protests, officials say https://www.klkntv.com/more-reported-covid-19-cases-coming-from-bars-than-protests-officials-say/ Did protests spread the coronavirus? Here are the Utah numbers and the national research. https://www.sltrib.com/news/2020/06/27/how-much-did-protests/ The media and alt-news are going super-fucking hard on denying that BLM protests are the cause. However, more importantly, like others have noted it's probably just more testing since iirc hospitalizations haven't increased at the same rate as new cases. --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| There are precious few at ease / With moral ambiguities / So we act as though they don't exist. <cite>Zeus posted [p:941485070] in So covid i... [t:78814060]...</cite> <quote>TheGoldenEel posted... </cite> <quote>Health officials link surge in coronavirus cases in Pittsburgh area to bars, not protests https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/505142-health-officials-link-surge-in-coronavirus-cases-in-pittsburgh-area-to?amp Protests in Seattle and elsewhere dont appear to be driving coronavirus surge, researchers say https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/health/protests-in-seattle-and-elsewhere-dont-appear-to-be-driving-virus-surge-researchers-say/?amp=1 Parties Not Protests Are Causing Spikes In Coronavirus https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/06/24/883017035/what-contact-tracing-may-tell-about-cluster-spread-of-the-coronavirus Black Lives Matter protests may have slowed overall spread of coronavirus in Denver and other cities, new study finds https://coloradosun.com/2020/06/30/police-protests-coronavirus-spread/ COVID-19 has not surged in cities with big protests, but it has in states that reopened early. Here are some possible reasons. https://www.inquirer.com/health/coronavirus/coronavirus-no-spike-cities-despite-protests-big-surge-in-states-that-reopened-20200627.html?outputType=amp More reported COVID-19 cases linked to bars than protests, officials say https://www.klkntv.com/more-reported-covid-19-cases-coming-from-bars-than-protests-officials-say/ Did protests spread the coronavirus? Here are the Utah numbers and the national research. https://www.sltrib.com/news/2020/06/27/how-much-did-protests/</quote> The media and alt-news are going super-fucking hard on denying that BLM protests are the cause. However, more importantly, like others have noted it's probably just more testing since iirc hospitalizations haven't increased at the same rate as new cases. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
legendary_zell 06/30/20 3:18:44 PM #192:	onedarksoul posted... Chicago: https://twitter.com/JoshuaPotash/status/1277375967103778817 LA: https://twitter.com/hollandcourtney/status/1277994709269401602 "social distancing" So disingenuous. Protesting against state violence and societal oppression outside, with masks, is not the same as going to the beach with no masks or even with masks. Stopping one requires a widespread violation of the first amendment and probably high levels of police violence. The other means you can't go for a swim. Don't pretend this is about the protests. You'd hate them if scientists eradicated the very concept of disease tomorrow. These are blatant false equivalences. --- I gotta be righteous, I gotta be me, I gotta be conscious, I gotta be free, I gotta be able, I gotta attack, I gotta be stable, I gotta be black. <cite>legendary_zell posted [p:941485093] in So covid i... [t:78814060]...</cite> <quote>onedarksoul posted... </cite> <quote>Chicago: https://twitter.com/JoshuaPotash/status/1277375967103778817 LA: https://twitter.com/hollandcourtney/status/1277994709269401602 "social distancing" So disingenuous.</quote> Protesting against state violence and societal oppression outside, with masks, is not the same as going to the beach with no masks or even with masks. Stopping one requires a widespread violation of the first amendment and probably high levels of police violence. The other means you can't go for a swim. Don't pretend this is about the protests. You'd hate them if scientists eradicated the very concept of disease tomorrow. These are blatant false equivalences. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Romes187 06/30/20 3:19:25 PM #193:	legendary_zell posted... Protesting against state violence and societal oppression outside, with masks, is not the same as going to the beach with no masks or even with masks. Stopping one requires a widespread violation of the first amendment and probably high levels of police violence. The other means you can't go for a swim. Don't pretend this is about the protests. You'd hate them if scientists eradicated the very concept of disease tomorrow. These are blatant false equivalences. here's the thought process I don't care for fyi <cite>Romes187 posted [p:941485120] in So covid i... [t:78814060]...</cite> <quote>legendary_zell posted... </cite> <quote>Protesting against state violence and societal oppression outside, with masks, is not the same as going to the beach with no masks or even with masks. Stopping one requires a widespread violation of the first amendment and probably high levels of police violence. The other means you can't go for a swim. Don't pretend this is about the protests. You'd hate them if scientists eradicated the very concept of disease tomorrow. These are blatant false equivalences.</quote> here's the thought process I don't care for fyi </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheGoldenEel 06/30/20 3:19:52 PM #194:	Bleuets posted... basically its saying: yo its not the protestors who have the rona, they actually helped out by keeping the people who have the rona indoors. um yea, thats your scientific resource you all keep harping. And Im a conspiracy theorist for not believing that... The argument is that, the Venn diagram of people who socially conscious enough and people who will take covid seriously and wear masks and voluntarily self isolate after participating in a high risk activity is closer to a circle than the Venn diagram of people who want to party at bars and people who take covid seriously etc. once again though you have not provided any evidence to your claim, Im sure youll continue to do that while covering your ears to actual facts --- The words of The Golden Eel have been revealed... Games: http://backloggery.com/wrldindstries302 \\ Music: http://www.last.fm/user/DrMorberg/ <cite>TheGoldenEel posted [p:941485136] in So covid i... [t:78814060]...</cite> <quote>Bleuets posted... </cite> <quote>basically its saying: yo its not the protestors who have the rona, they actually helped out by keeping the people who have the rona indoors. um yea, thats your scientific resource you all keep harping. And Im a conspiracy theorist for not believing that... </quote>The argument is that, the Venn diagram of people who socially conscious enough and people who will take covid seriously and wear masks and voluntarily self isolate after participating in a high risk activity is closer to a circle than the Venn diagram of people who want to party at bars and people who take covid seriously etc. once again though you have not provided any evidence to your claim, Im sure youll continue to do that while covering your ears to actual facts </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Bleuets 06/30/20 3:20:45 PM #195:	legendary_zell posted... Protesting against state violence and societal oppression outside, with masks, is not the same as going to the beach with no masks or even with masks. Stopping one requires a widespread violation of the first amendment and probably high levels of police violence. The other means you can't go for a swim. Don't pretend this is about the protests. You'd hate them if scientists eradicated the very concept of disease tomorrow. These are blatant false equivalences. I agree my dude, protests are important. You dont have to sell me on that, youre right. Now what Im arguing is, as good a cause as it is, its still going to cause the virus to spread. but apparently Im a conspiracy theorist for even suggesting that so dont take my word for it <cite>Bleuets posted [p:941485168] in So covid i... [t:78814060]...</cite> <quote>legendary_zell posted... </cite> <quote>Protesting against state violence and societal oppression outside, with masks, is not the same as going to the beach with no masks or even with masks. Stopping one requires a widespread violation of the first amendment and probably high levels of police violence. The other means you can't go for a swim. Don't pretend this is about the protests. You'd hate them if scientists eradicated the very concept of disease tomorrow. These are blatant false equivalences.</quote> I agree my dude, protests are important. You dont have to sell me on that, youre right. Now what Im arguing is, as good a cause as it is, its still going to cause the virus to spread. but apparently Im a conspiracy theorist for even suggesting that so dont take my word for it </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Bleuets 06/30/20 3:23:12 PM #196:	TheGoldenEel posted... The argument is that, the Venn diagram of people who socially conscious enough and people who will take covid seriously and wear masks and voluntarily self isolate after participating in a high risk activity is closer to a circle than the Venn diagram of people who want to party at bars and people who take covid seriously etc. once again though you have not provided any evidence to your claim, Im sure youll continue to do that while covering your ears to actual facts I mean, wheres the evidence that suggests your Venn diagram theory? Basically this is straight out saying: oh you like to go out and party? You must not be a supporter of the protests. maybe thats true, but this is pure speculation for someone so hating on me for not providing facts. <cite>Bleuets posted [p:941485245] in So covid i... [t:78814060]...</cite> <quote>TheGoldenEel posted... </cite> <quote>The argument is that, the Venn diagram of people who socially conscious enough and people who will take covid seriously and wear masks and voluntarily self isolate after participating in a high risk activity is closer to a circle than the Venn diagram of people who want to party at bars and people who take covid seriously etc. once again though you have not provided any evidence to your claim, Im sure youll continue to do that while covering your ears to actual facts</quote> I mean, wheres the evidence that suggests your Venn diagram theory? Basically this is straight out saying: oh you like to go out and party? You must not be a supporter of the protests. maybe thats true, but this is pure speculation for someone so hating on me for not providing facts. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
R_Jackal 06/30/20 3:27:16 PM #197:	I really don't think the actual protests did any harm, but the looting and rioting likely did. Granted it was likely balanced a bit by forcing some to stay indoors. But I also accept that it's really fucking hard to prove anything during that one way or the other. I also think reopening bars and beaches--entertainment spots that are absolutely unnecessary was a far bigger cause though. Ultimately however I think the biggest cause for spikes is because we were being half-assed on testing beforehand. <cite>R_Jackal posted [p:941485320] in So covid i... [t:78814060]...</cite> <quote>I really don't think the actual protests did any harm, but the looting and rioting likely did. Granted it was likely balanced a bit by forcing some to stay indoors. But I also accept that it's really fucking hard to prove anything during that one way or the other. I also think reopening bars and beaches--entertainment spots that are absolutely unnecessary was a far bigger cause though. Ultimately however I think the biggest cause for spikes is because we were being half-assed on testing beforehand. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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legendary_zell 06/30/20 3:33:08 PM #200:	Romes187 posted... here's the thought process I don't care for fyi In what way is it not true? I'm not even opposed to beaches opening and people being allowed to have fun, as long as it's outside, since that seems to make a big difference, and it can be done safely. My problem is with being asked to not go to the beach vs not to protest being compared or saying supporting one and not the other is hypocritical. --- I gotta be righteous, I gotta be me, I gotta be conscious, I gotta be free, I gotta be able, I gotta attack, I gotta be stable, I gotta be black. <cite>legendary_zell posted [p:941485561] in So covid i... [t:78814060]...</cite> <quote>Romes187 posted... </cite> <quote>here's the thought process I don't care for fyi</quote> In what way is it not true? I'm not even opposed to beaches opening and people being allowed to have fun, as long as it's outside, since that seems to make a big difference, and it can be done safely. My problem is with being asked to not go to the beach vs not to protest being compared or saying supporting one and not the other is hypocritical. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Antifar 06/30/20 3:33:22 PM #201:	Zeus posted... However, more importantly, like others have noted it's probably just more testing since iirc hospitalizations haven't increased at the same rate as new cases. The positive rate for tests has gone up, and so has hospitalization, though not yet at the same rate. --- kin to all that throbs <cite>Antifar posted [p:941485571] in So covid i... [t:78814060]...</cite> <quote>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote>However, more importantly, like others have noted it's probably just more testing since iirc hospitalizations haven't increased at the same rate as new cases.</quote> The positive rate for tests has gone up, and so has hospitalization, though not yet at the same rate.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheGoldenEel 06/30/20 3:34:36 PM #202:	Bleuets posted... I mean, wheres the evidence that suggests your Venn diagram theory? Basically this is straight out saying: oh you like to go out and party? You must not be a supporter of the protests. maybe thats true, but this is pure speculation for someone so hating on me for not providing facts. I have provided facts repeatedly, Check the research paper cited in that article about covid in Denver heres the thing: nearly everyone was concerned that protests would increase the spread of covid. Myself included. But people collectively decided that black lives were something worth protesting for despite that. The majority of people wore masks so heres how science works though: you create a hypothesis, in this case protests will be superspreading events, and you do studies and collect data to test that hypothesis and what has been concluded, based on these studies, is that that hypothesis was incorrect, and that protests DID NOT significantly contribute to spreading covid so whats going on here, is you dont believe a conspiracy theory, you just havent caught up with the newly presented data that shows that what you believe is incorrect, despite it being what conventional logic would suggest and indeed did appear to be the case, prior to actually collecting and analyzing the data --- The words of The Golden Eel have been revealed... Games: http://backloggery.com/wrldindstries302 \\ Music: http://www.last.fm/user/DrMorberg/ <cite>TheGoldenEel posted [p:941485638] in So covid i... [t:78814060]...</cite> <quote>Bleuets posted... </cite> <quote>I mean, wheres the evidence that suggests your Venn diagram theory? Basically this is straight out saying: oh you like to go out and party? You must not be a supporter of the protests. maybe thats true, but this is pure speculation for someone so hating on me for not providing facts.</quote>I have provided facts repeatedly, Check the research paper cited in that article about covid in Denver heres the thing: nearly everyone was concerned that protests would increase the spread of covid. Myself included. But people collectively decided that black lives were something worth protesting for despite that. The majority of people wore masks so heres how science works though: you create a hypothesis, in this case protests will be superspreading events, and you do studies and collect data to test that hypothesis and what has been concluded, based on these studies, is that that hypothesis was incorrect, and that protests DID NOT significantly contribute to spreading covid so whats going on here, is you dont believe a conspiracy theory, you just havent caught up with the newly presented data that shows that what you believe is incorrect, despite it being what conventional logic would suggest and indeed did appear to be the case, prior to actually collecting and analyzing the data </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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