Poll of the Day > "Antifa"

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Cannot be found.

https://www.npr.org/2020/06/09/873278314/no-sign-of-antifa-so-far-in-justice-department-cases-brought-over-unrest

Shocked. I've said it like 50 times, the unruly protesters aren't going by "antifa", they're not even organized, but the conspiracy theorists get their brain on one thing and obsess over it.

They must be hiding!

How does the country defeat a terrorist group that apparently does not exist, anyway?

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Obviously, they exist. If youre dressed in black, youre antifa... Everyone knows that!
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Donald Trump firing "William Barr" for doing a bad job. That's not a joke, it's a prediction.

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According to the FBI antifa groups make up around 2% of domestic terror incidents

The rest is white supremacy groups and the alt-right

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Mead posted...

According to the FBI antifa groups make up around 2% of domestic terror incidents

The rest is white supremacy groups and the alt-right

I'm shocked there are even any.

Antifa is something you put in your Twitter name because you want to be "hardcore", like socialist. None of these kids know what socialism is, or at least I don't hear them asking for the nationalization of the workforce.

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Yellow posted...

I'm shocked there are even any.

Antifa is something you put in your Twitter name because you want to be "hardcore", like socialist. None of these kids know what socialism is, or at least I don't hear them asking for the nationalization of the workforce.

Thing is, modern capitalism IS pretty much utopian communism - production is typically in the hands of the workers and there's very little daily influence on you from the state (things like quotas, mandatory healthchecks and such), you give in to the system according to your ability (IE: gain money, spend money) and receive according to your need (taxes paying for roads, disability care, nature preservation, etc)

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What a surprise

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Lokarin posted...

Thing is, modern capitalism IS pretty much utopian communism - production is typically in the hands of the workers and there's very little daily influence on you from the state (things like quotas, mandatory healthchecks and such), you give in to the system according to your ability (IE: gain money, spend money) and receive according to your need (taxes paying for roads, disability care, nature preservation, etc)

you really need to stop believing stuff you watch on youtube

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Lokarin posted...

Thing is, modern capitalism IS pretty much utopian communism - production is typically in the hands of the workers and there's very little daily influence on you from the state (things like quotas, mandatory healthchecks and such), you give in to the system according to your ability (IE: gain money, spend money) and receive according to your need (taxes paying for roads, disability care, nature preservation, etc)

Well Democracy in the workplace is a concept, but that is given to shareholders typically.

There's a difference between Socialism and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Co-determination

Socialism is basically this; you inject so much community control it makes the company too weak to compete, so I stand by regulations and unions being the best way to go. Those are much more controlled and apply to all companies the same way. They make worker interests a priority while keeping them from gutting the company. I mean Joe is a hard worker, sure, but I wouldn't put him in charge of finances. Joe wants a $50 raise.

Communism comes in after Socialism as a way to attempt to fix the broken structure that is Socialism, and before you know it the country is struggling to manually breathe and control things that they can't handle.

Germany has Co-determination, which is a hybrid of workplace Democracy and private leadership. I couldn't tell you how well it works, I'm not really an expert, but it sounds like some sort of compromise.

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Antifa isn't a thing it's a boogeyman term to apply to every one who dislikes trump

I don't believe that "antifa" actually exist.

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imagine being pro fascist

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@Lokarin

But I get what you're saying with "pure" Capitalism being Communism for the elite. It just turns out the rich totally oppressing people makes a slightly more stable society than totally gutting the successful... until the poor revolt and we start at Socialism again.

Regulations and Unions are better

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Why is the President allowed to say that Antifa was the culprit in an actual press conference, (let alone on Twitter where hes never held accountable) with no proof at all?

this should be illegal

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FrozenBananas posted...

Why is the President allowed to say that Antifa was the culprit (in an actual press conference, let alone on Twitter where hes never held accountable) with no proof at all?

this should be illegal

Hey we tried to impeach him. Blame the half of the country that still lives like it's the 1970s.

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Judgmenl posted...

I don't believe that "antifa" actually exist.

I mean... they do regardless of what you believe. They have social media and I've personally had multiple fb friends say they are antifa

Yeah but your friends aren't terrorists.

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You mean a group with no formal structure, membership, or leadership and therefore no real presence can't be tied to it?! Many of the same violent agitators involved in Antifa riots are also participating in BLM riots. However, the excuse here apparently is, "Well, right now they're not Antifa, they're BLM!" Also, BLM *also* doesn't have a formal membership or structure because it's also not a traditional organization. Both are labels used as self-identification by many of the same far-left radicals.

Mead posted...

According to the FBI antifa groups make up around 2% of domestic terror incidents

The rest is white supremacy groups and the alt-right

[Citation badly needed for bullshit claim.]

And you have to do some Olympic-level mental gymnastics to justify a claim that ridiculously false, considering that the most deadly act of domestic terrorism -- the Pulse Night Club shooting -- happened just within the past 5 years. And the most infamous modern example of domestic terrorism was the Boston Bombing which happened 7 years ago. I guess Omar, Dzhokhar, and Tamerlan are all very White supremacist-sounding names. >_>

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im pro-tifa. shes pretty

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weekend warriors. they're back at their parents. gotta get ready for summer school, ok?

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In celebration of P4G coming out on steam



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Zeus posted...

[Citation badly needed for bullshit claim.]

https://www.gao.gov/assets/690/683984.pdf#page34

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Fake news

If there was no Antifa, the CHAZ would not exist.
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Zeus posted...

[Citation badly needed for bullshit claim.]

Antifa not mentioned
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domestic_terrorism_in_the_United_States

Antifa not mentioned
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_the_United_States

It might be bullshit @Mead , but only because I doubt it's that high. I don't think there's ever been an antifa terrorist attack.

This is the most violent thing Antifa has done.
https://nypost.com/2019/10/23/antifa-protester-gets-18-months-for-beating-up-trump-supporter/

And this is the most terroristic
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2018/11/08/mob-tucker-carlsons-home-antifa-break-door-chant-fox-host/1927868002/

Go through the list.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antifa_(United_States)#Notable_actions

Playground bullies at worst. They are largely used as a political tool to condone cracking down on civil rights protests, which is why they virtually stopped existing in 2019 and are completely irrelevant in modern BLM.

Compare this to the countless acts of violence done by actual domestic terrorist groups (you know the one I'm talking about)... something you can't list on a Wikipedia page.

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Mead posted...

https://www.gao.gov/assets/690/683984.pdf#page34

Case in point, CTRL + F antifa on that page.

I can name the "terrorist attacks" on my finger.

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Yellow posted...

It might be bullshit @Mead , but only because I doubt it's that high. I don't think there's ever been an antifa terrorist attack.

I heard the claim on one of the pod save America podcasts, I may have misunderstood it though, I admittedly wasnt able to find a source that showed those exact numbers

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I hate it when people I listen to don't cite their sources. (YouTubers)

I get it's a lot to handle when making content, but get someone else to do it at least? I mean, they want me to make their case to someone else, right? That's the whole point of what they're doing.

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OhhhJa posted...

multiple fb friends say they are antifa

Can't anyone just say they're antifa, though? I can say I'm part of the anything on facebook without proof...

Yellow posted...

Yeah but your friends aren't terrorists.

Also, this... Unless you're saying youu're friends with terrorists, that is...
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Antifa is a lot like Gamergate, it started with a bunch of people supporting it and calling themselves Anitfa/Gamergaters, then when people started getting super pissed at it they all went "lol dudes what are you talking about Antifa/Gamergate isn't even a thing."

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OhhhJa posted...

I mean... they do regardless of what you believe. They have social media and I've personally had multiple fb friends say they are antifa

I mean this is technically social media, so I could say I'm a cis dude.

Doesn't make it true though.

LinkPizza posted...

Can't anyone just say they're antifa, though? I can say I'm part of the anything on facebook without proof...

Also, this... Unless you're saying youu're friends with terrorists, that is...

All I'm saying is that they do clearly exist. And when I was saying that they have social media, I was referring to antifa themselves, not my fb friends

Antifa is totally something they should be afraid of and concerned about, just like Benghazi, pizzagate, Burisma, and that damn migrant caravan that seems to only head towards the US right before an election. . .

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ChaosAzeroth posted...

I mean this is technically social media, so I could say I'm a cis dude.

Doesn't make it true though.

The difference between a belief and a physical state.
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benghazi ain't goin away!

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Mead posted...

Antifa is totally something they should be afraid of and concerned about, just like Benghazi, pizzagate, Burisma, and that damn migrant caravan that seems to only head towards the US right before an election. . .

dont forget Obamagate, the greatest political crime in American history

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FrozenBananas posted...

dont forget Obamagate, the greatest political scam in American history

It's so great nobody can quite name what it is.

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That's also what any hypothetical nephews/nieces would call Tifa Lockhart.

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OhhhJa posted...

I mean... they do regardless of what you believe. They have social media and I've personally had multiple fb friends say they are antifa

I can see why people think "antifa" doesn't even exist: it's not an unreasonable thing to think. Antifa aren't a monolithic group with a centralized leadership. They're people who share a loose set of beliefs and exchange tactics for civil disobedience with one-another. That said to say they aren't organized in any respect isn't accurate either. Going after "antifa" really means going after groups like BAMN. It means learning a new set of social groups for each city and state.

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Kyuubi4269 posted...

The difference between a belief and a physical state.

Maybe but my point is I could say anything on social media.

Although I thought the people were saying they're a part of a group, which technically is a physical entity. The problem therein is that afaik there isn't an organized group. So using people saying that as proof it's an organized group is faulty. That was my understanding of the issue with it at least.

Of course this creates the whole just anti fascism vs Antifa, like... If Antifa isn't actually a group, and it's meant to be a combination of anti fascism, does that mean that anyone who is anti fascism is technically Antifa? Or does it require a certain code of thought and/or behavior?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antifa_(United_States)

ChaosAzeroth posted...

Although I thought the people were saying they're a part of a group, which technically is a physical entity.

A number is a group, groups aren't inherently physical.

ChaosAzeroth posted...

So using people saying that as proof it's an organized group is faulty.

I don't think anybody thinks it's an organisation, it's just an internet ideology.

ChaosAzeroth posted...

Of course this creates the whole just anti fascism vs Antifa, like... If Antifa isn't actually a group, and it's meant to be a combination of anti fascism, does that mean that anyone who is anti fascism is technically Antifa? Or does it require a certain code of thought and/or behavior?

It's a matter of expressed beliefs vs practices. For example, if BLM people declare they're for peaceful protest of brutality against black people then turn around and incite a race war, BLM becomes a racist group in practice, regardless of their claims.

People are hypocrites so antifa are people who claim to be anti facism but employ fascist action.
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OhhhJa posted...

All I'm saying is that they do clearly exist. And when I was saying that they have social media, I was referring to antifa themselves, not my fb friends

But you said multiple Facebook friends claim to be antifa. Thats what I was talking about when I said you could say anything on Facebook. I could claim Im part of any group and it would be just as valid. Even if its not true. Also, I dont think social media makes them valid either. You can make a page for anything. And anyone can make it. So, I dont really see that as proof of anything. Im not saying they dont exist. I have no idea if they do. But I dont think having social media and some friends claiming to be them means it 100% exist. Again, they could exist. I just dont see those things as proof in my eyes...

Kyuubi4269 posted...

A number is a group, groups aren't inherently physical.

But if hes talking about the people in a group, they are physical entities, right?
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LinkPizza posted...

But if hes talking about the people in a group, they are physical entities, right?

Yes, but that doesn't make the group a physical entity, it's only valid conceptually.
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

Yes, but that doesn't make the group a physical entity, it's only valid conceptually.

But the group is only a group if those physical entities are there, so I dont see how the group wouldnt be physical...
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LinkPizza posted...

I have no idea if they do

OhhhJa posted...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antifa_(United_States)

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You're not looking hard enough. They are the majority of the violent people out there. They won't say they are, but they are.

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SirPikachu posted...

They are the majority of the violent people out there.

Source?

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I understand labels, but can we all accept we're a crap civilization still, and we're all fighting over the same thing? Most just want the power and to be right.
Some of us just want to be left alone and we'll leave you alone. Some of us will stand up if we have to, but otherwise we'll do no harm.

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