Board 8 > Jojo Mafia Topic 6: Stone Ocean

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Abacus is 1000% confirmed

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masterplum posted...

Corrik redirect Chang plz

what does him redirecting my prediction even accomplish?

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masterplum posted...

Abacus is 1000% confirmed

Yes. So is chang.

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Corrik7 posted...

Yes. So is chang.

He really isn't. He could be a scum version of what he claimed

And then you would prove you actually can redirect

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masterplum posted...

He really isn't. He could be a scum version of what he claimed

And then you would prove you actually can redirect

I'll be redirecting who I think is scum to another scum suspect. To hopefully eliminate the mislynch pool, while finding the last scum, while leaving power roles alive.

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About to get off work. Will still be here as much as I can til 7, but less active.

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Everyone has checked back in. I'm content if we hammer soon.

##Vote: Ben
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Same! I want to be with Han once more

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If Fire is scum, not only would he not give up. He would still feel he could win.

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Corrik7 posted...

If Fire is scum, not only would he not give up. He would still feel he could win.

From this far behind? I definitely would not be feeling like I could win. Like, even if we mislynch and there's a night kill tonight it is still 6 to 1 tomorrow with over half of town being confirmed. Mislynch again? 4 to 1 the next day and *everyone* left is confirmed. I don't have the force of personality here to pull a surprise win if it gets down to me vs Chang/Abacus/Death/Sultan. I might play the game out because I felt obligated to my team mates but in no universe do I think I could spin a win out of that. I don't even know if I'd be in here kicking and screaming from this far behind unless I had some sort of scum ultra role that could secure the win somehow.
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This is why corrik is not fun to play with

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You would think you could convince a miracle mislynch versus me lol

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Side note: If I had control of the scum night kill there's no way Corrik is still alive right now, especially if I bought the redirector claim. And Corrik knows this
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Plum says I am not fun to play with because I won't redirect a confirmed town because he told me to. Like, Plum, if you wanted to have 2 player slots and roles, you could have asked HB. He might have allowed it.

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fire_bolt posted...

Side note: If I had control of the scum night kill there's no way Corrik is still alive right now, especially if I bought the redirector claim. And Corrik knows this

You bought it so little that you assumed I retracted it when I never did.

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If I was scum I'd have more impetus to believe it than as a vanilla townie
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If I was scum town I'd have already won

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Don't be intellectually dishonest here, Corrik. We both know that as Town I'm not going to believe anything you say until I have incontrovertible proof supporting it. Hell, I don't necessarily buy your claim even now. Like my worst case scenario game is one where you're our only Cop and I spend the first 2 days trying to lynch you
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my then changed to town. My phone knows I'm town

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Honestly, plum being doctor seems a bit much. I didn't think one existed.

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Corrik7 posted...

Honestly, plum being doctor seems a bit much. I didn't think one existed.

Well once we found out the bomber could only kill one person with bombs, the bomb defuser looked a whole lot weaker.

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Corrik7 posted...

Honestly, plum being doctor seems a bit much. I didn't think one existed.

No night kill on Night 1 OR 2 but there's no doc/bodyguard? I'm sorry the game is boring you but c'mon
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Corrik7 posted...

Honestly, plum being doctor seems a bit much. I didn't think one existed.

... You just thought scum kept no killing for funsies?

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masterplum posted...

... You just thought scum kept no killing for funsies?

I assumed the one shot was an extra kill and all their regular night kills were bombs on town people that hadn't exploded yet cuz we hadn't been mislynching. Obviously ended up being wrong.

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My role is so brokeningly strong that I didn't think an actual doctor existed. I thought it was me and Mzero.

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Votals
[3] - Ben - (Lea), (Bolt), (Bolt), (Lea), Chang, Abacus
[3] - Bolt - Sultan, (Lea), (Chang), Corrik, Lea
[0] - Lea - (Bolt)
[0] - Corrik - (Lea), (Chang), (Lea), (Bolt)

Day ends in 28 hours
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Corrik7 posted...

I assumed the one shot was an extra kill and all their regular night kills were bombs on town people that hadn't exploded yet cuz we hadn't been mislynching. Obviously ended up being wrong.

Corrik7 posted...

Honestly, plum being doctor seems a bit much. I didn't think one existed.

????????

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Has Corrik successfully redirected anyone yet? Trying to remember.

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masterplum posted...

????????

I think he's speaking meta commentary on the setup itself, not doubting your role. He just worded it in the absolute worst way.

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masterplum posted...

????????

I think the game is broken now, and I didn't think we actually had a doctor prior?

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masterplum posted...

Has Corrik successfully redirected anyone yet? Trying to remember.

As far as I'm aware, there hasn't been a confirmed case outside of what Corrik has said. I can't say for sure though.

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masterplum posted...

Has Corrik successfully redirected anyone yet? Trying to remember.

ViolentAbacus posted...

As far as I'm aware, there hasn't been a confirmed case outside of what Corrik has said. I can't say for sure though.

It actually doesn't matter if he's redirector or not, though. I roleblocked him last night, and scum still killed Han.

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Assume for a second Corrik is Scum Redirector. Is there some way his Redirect could bypass Chang's RB to redirect Chang to someone else, thus returning a successful result to Chang but also letting Corrik get a night kill in? Cuz the main argument for Corrik not being scum right now is that a night kill went thru when he was supposed to be blocked
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changmas posted...

It actually doesn't matter if he's redirector or not, though. I roleblocked him last night, and scum still killed Han.

We are in what if scums 5th role is powerful / we have too much town power territory right now

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Town isn't very powerful if I am scum. What makes town powerful is my broken role.

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If there is only 1 scum left, we have 3 mislynches left.
I feel that we are at the point where it doesnt matter what we can imagine, I cannot see how scum wins anymore.
Especially not when Abacus will get another scan off.

What I am worried about is Corrik redirecting Abacus again.
I'd much rather he'd be proven by a scan than through his power.
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Leanansidhe posted...

Won't try to redirect Chang

Also

Did try to redirect Abacus

Wonder what it means

Redirecting Chang might actively hurt Town. Assume Ben/Bolt gets mislynched today. Chang can safely predict the other gets lynched tomorrow and get an RB just in case something goes awry.

Town Corrik absolutely has enough ego to assume he'd be better off deciding who the cop scans than leaving it to the newbie cop. And I think he claimed he tried to redirect to me? Yeah, that's a town Corrik move for sure. Either kill me or clear me because if Town knew I was Town right now the game is probably over on the spot.

Corrik is a lot of things. Arrogant, conceited, narcissistic. But the one thing he's not? A bad player. Its why I'm hyper paranoid of him. Sure, he has off games but everyone does. And its still possible he's playing us, scumlord that he is. Like I am wont to say, I'll trust Corrik when I read his flip and filter everything he's said through that lens afterwards.
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fire_bolt posted...

Assume for a second Corrik is Scum Redirector. Is there some way his Redirect could bypass Chang's RB to redirect Chang to someone else, thus returning a successful result to Chang but also letting Corrik get a night kill in? Cuz the main argument for Corrik not being scum right now is that a night kill went thru when he was supposed to be blocked

Yes, that's possible actually. It depends on the ordering of actions. If redirect takes precedence over roleblocking then he could redirect my roleblock to someone else and essentially be impossible to redirect. This would also change my prediction, though.

HOWEVER, It would be extremely bold and risky of Corrik to do this and then claim he was roleblocked before I said anything. If I had targeted anyone else with my roleblock, he would instantly be dead to rights. It would have to be the absolute last hail mary.

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essentially be impossible to roleblock*

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Leanansidhe posted...

Perhaps, but I thought blocking Corrik was the consensus

Probably, but I very nearly changed my mind during the night. I'm just gonna ask Hb if he's allowed to clarify for me the result of a roleblocker and a redirector both targeting each other.

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He would also have to guarantee that my roleblock redirected into Town Vanilla too, as failing to do that would also give him away.

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changmas posted...

He would also have to guarantee that my roleblock redirected into Town Vanilla too, as failing to do that would also give him away.

Yeah but that is suuuuuper easy to do at this point. Remember, if Corrik is scum then he knows the rest of us are town. And while he might not have known Plum was doc both Death and I had claimed Vanilla already
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Abacus should just check Corrik tonight then.

Starting to feel like this is scum bolt trying to sow discord and get a Ben -> Corrik lynch two days in a row to save himself and prolong the game, though.

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I am, and I cannot emphasize this enough, Town. Perhaps one day the Mafia gods will smile on me and let me on the scum team but until that day it is my cross to bear that I will be constantly misunderstood and suspect when all I do 24/7 is try to hunt scum \_()_/
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firebolt, you have to understand that at this point it all comes down to Process of Elimination.
Your play is not being questioned here.
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