Board 8 > Jojo Mafia Topic 6: Stone Ocean

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PunishedBen posted...

Persistent would mean it can't be doc saved

Considering the bomb goes off during lynch Doc couldn't do anything regardless but the RB point is solid. I forgot Big Changas has those possibly
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I don't know, I still really want to believe everyone not Corrik is town. But I can't explain why damion was persistent

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Also we still have a lot of unexplained no kills.

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I was roleblocked last night. *Shakes head*

I redirected Damion to Lea the prior night.

I tried to redirect Abacus to Firebolt last night.

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Chang, Abacus, Sultan, me, and whoever abacus scanned last night are confirmed town.

Last scum is likely Death.

Mass claim is obvious.

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I guess I could re-read the end of the days and it become super obvious. But what is the fun in that.

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Leanansidhe posted...

Personally I'd block Corrik

Ok, so that checks out. Corrik was RB'd and someone died so it isn't him.

Lea wants out of this game so bad I say we let her.

##Vote: Lea
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Now that we know they did have actual night kills. Everyone saved night 1, night 2, are town. Whoever saving them is town. Etc.

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Corrik7 posted...

Chang, Abacus, Sultan, me, and whoever abacus scanned last night are confirmed town.

Last scum is likely Death.

Mass claim is obvious.

I can confirm that Death is NOT scum, or at least appears to be.


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Good.

Scum you are checkmated, do you wish to concede?

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Sooo

Who isnt town confrimed now

Lea
Plum
Ben
Bolt
Corrik

Or am i wrong

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Corrik7 posted...

I was roleblocked last night. *Shakes head*

I redirected Damion to Lea the prior night.

I tried to redirect Abacus to Firebolt last night.

This is true. I did roleblock Corrik.

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fire_bolt posted...

Um. That's kinda the opposite of what you should have taken away from that flip. If there wasn't a redirector in the game there'd be no need for Damion to have been Persistent except perhaps as a red herring. And if scum team had the redirector on their team then there would also be no need for Damion to have been Persistent. If anything Damion's flip practically confirms Corrik as at least not scum, although IDK if there would have been 5 scum and a neutral too. Unless someone counter claims him believably Corrik is off the radar atm

FWIW I thought about this line of logic but since Corrik would have the strongest ability I opted to roleblock him anyway to confirm him, assuming that Abacus was checking Death.

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It should be:

plum
Ben
bolt

and technically Lea (?) although it seems very unlikely

Although I'm not sure how exactly fake roles work as scum. I feel like someone mentioned before that scum gets like a list of fake claims or something? or maybe i misunderstood some point. is there any way Lea would have enough information on Day 1 as scum to claim that?

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Actions everyone?

It occured to me there is a chance Chang is scum, but we should be able to figure that out based on actions

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Chang who did you select today?

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(I missed the new page when I asked for actions, but I don't think Chang revealed who he picked to lynch today)

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I picked Death. I dont think its worth it to lynch someone we believe to be town just to get another roleblock though.

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Okay, that should pretty cut and dry confirm Corrik town then. I do worry that there's another innocent scanning scum as Abacus is still alive. Or it's just Bolt

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Ok, I've been mulling it back and forth but I think we have this game 100% locked up if I claim and just direct you guys what to do.

I've saved roughly 7 thousand night kills this game. I would have to check my PM's to make sure but I believe the order of saves was

N1 Han (Abacus Juke)
N2 Abacus (Lol got scum with the juke back)
N3 Han
N4 Han
N5 Chang

I was pretty much one level above scum thinking the entire game

Ultra 100% Confirmed towns:
2. Plum
5. Abacus (Scum tried to kill him)
7. Corrik (Scum shot while he was roleblocked)

These dudes would require a second godfather or something crazy if Lea is scum
1. Lea
4. Death
6. Sultan

This guy could be scum but if you just follow the plan it will be super obvious
8. Chang

outStANDing
3. Ben
9. Bolt

So this is what we are going to do.

We lynch Ben (Or Bolt if Chang picked bolt today). His post about how he thinks corrik could still be scum despite him being super ultra confirmed town was awful. Last in a long line of awful posts. I think he is most likely to be scum.

Tonight I'm saving Chang. Chang is going to pick Bolt.
Worst Case Scenario: 7 people left

Tomorrow you lynch Bolt. Chang will block Lea and picks someone not mortally confirmed. If anyone dies Lea is confirmed town. If nobody dies then you just lynch the person that Chang picked and play again.

Worst case scenario: 5 people left

At this point absolute worst case scenario you are left with

Lea (Mortally confirmed RB'd and night kill went through)
Corrik (Mortally confirmed RB'd and night kill went through)
Abacus (Mortally confirmed saved by the doctor and a night kill didn't go through D2)
Sultan
Death

You just lynch those two and win.

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Leanansidhe posted...

Pretty bad take, when there's clearly a protection role around

Good point

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And by the way if Chang will run out of people to block if he is scum. If you run out of people not mortally confirmed then chang is scum backup RB or something. You kill him and win

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The only other way this goes wrong is if scum has an unroleblockable role, but that seems extremly farfetched with a ninja godfather.

I suppose if you kill bolt and ben you can start considering corrik could be that but I think that is extremely unlikely.

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That plan seems so solid to me that I pretty much agree with it.

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Chris will be so proud of my sacrifice ;0;

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Ahh so plum is the doc.. okay so its bolt then.

##Vote:Bolt

didnt like this dude and probably for good reason

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It really doesn't matter between Bolt and Ben, Chang, just pick the otherone.

Abacus, scan.... Lea I guess?

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Actually I think Lea's sarcasm is real. Scan Chang just in case

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I keep double checking my logic but the only way this possibly goes wrong is if the last scum is both unroleblockable and scans innocent.

There's just no way

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I dont see an issue with it either. And I feel like I don't have a say as to whether we lynch me or Bolt first, but obviously I prefer Bolt so that the game potentially ends quicker!

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I'm fully on board for this plan.

##Vote: Bolt

and I will predict that we lynch Ben tomorrow.

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Corrik should also redirect Ben away from you tonight just in case

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Nah, Corrik can redirect sultan or something. If its Ben we win anyways. Might as well hedge against the 1% chance

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changmas posted...

Corrik should also redirect Ben away from you tonight just in case

Ouch. It's okay, we'll all be laughing about this in dead town chat tomorrow

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I would vote but one of the odd ways we lose is if the last scum is like sultan and someone gets modkilled.

so Ill vote tomorrow morning.

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If you guys need to lynch me today then so be it. Or you could just lynch Ben and win. Unless he's got some sort of super scum power he should honestly just concede now, there's no recovering this game for scum I think
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Hold the phone. Not that I think it will change the outcome, but what is the case for Sultan being town? I get the logic for Lea, Death, and Changas. And I get who Ben and I are under suspicion. I don't get why Sultan is getting a pass? Like I'm fine with getting mislynched today as long as we win tomorrow but I don't want this going totally sideways because we made a bad assumption.

With that possibility in mind, I'd prefer not to be mislynched today.

masterplum posted...

We lynch Ben ). His post about how he thinks corrik could still be scum despite him being super ultra confirmed town was awful. Last in a long line of awful posts. I think he is most likely to be scum.

Frankly, this. If I was scum I could have tried to throw Corrik to the lynch mob today due to all the odd circumstances around him... Just like Ben did. Instead I tried to confirm him as town, something that would absolutely be a bad play if I was scum
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fire_bolt posted...

Hold the phone. Not that I think it will change the outcome, but what is the case for Sultan being town? I get the logic for Lea, Death, and Changas. And I get who Ben and I are under suspicion. I don't get why Sultan is getting a pass? Like I'm fine with getting mislynched today as long as we win tomorrow but I don't want this going totally sideways because we made a bad assumption.

With that possibility in mind, I'd prefer not to be mislynched today.

Frankly, this. If I was scum I could have tried to throw Corrik to the lynch mob today due to all the odd circumstances around him... Just like Ben did. Instead I tried to confirm him as town, something that would absolutely be a bad play if I was scum

Abacus checked Sultan two nights ago.


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changmas posted...

Abacus checked Sultan two nights ago.

Gotcha

Yeah, then we lynch Ben and win today, folks.

##Unvote
##Vote: Ben
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Abacus, good move.

Chang, why did you roleblock Corrik when Damions flip meant a redirector likely really existed?
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Bolt trying to deflect onto confirmed town me doesnt sit well with me. O mean could be honest mistake but we have constantly went over the confirms

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Not going to lie. Scum not rolling over and dying makes me mildly nervous there might be something weird like an unblockable scum. If Corrik is actually redirector that doesnt seem impossible. That would be an absurd amount of town power.

Abacus I wouldnt scan Ben. Ben is going to die either way. Scan Corrik or Chang or someone where if it is them we are potentially in trouble


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I think the plan should be to end the day tonight, but I do want the full 24 hours to make sure I didnt miss something

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Will do, won't say which (just in case), but have an idea.

Also, I'm fine with lynching Bolt first - but do feel it's more likely Ben... Which means it's probably not Ben... (I'm terrible)

Anyway, will vote w/ the majority a little later!


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