Board 8 > Jojo Mafia Topic 6: Stone Ocean

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Hbthebattle
05/29/20 3:35:39 PM
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Not Dead Yet
1. Damion
2. Lea
3. Plum
4. Ben
5. Han
6. Death
7. Abacus
8. Sultan
9. Corrik
10. Sceptile
11. Chang
12. Bolt
Dead
1. LD1 - Red - Diavolo, SCUM Godfather Ninja
2. LD2 - Scare - Satoru Akefu, SCUM Calamity Bringer
3. LD3 - Puns - Narancia Ghirga, TOWN Tracker
4. KD3 - IGCD - Yasuho Hirose, TOWN Vanilla
5. KN3 - MZero - Josuke Higashikata, TOWN Bomb Defuser

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to autolynch. Day ends in about 28 hours, 30 minutes.
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fire_bolt
05/29/20 3:36:14 PM
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Hbthebattle
05/29/20 3:40:37 PM
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Oat Hells
[2] - Sceptile - Lea, (Plum), Chang
[2] - Damion - Sultan, Plum
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htaeD
05/29/20 3:54:16 PM
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I dont mind which one we lynch myself much, both have their pros and cons.
But we should decide as a unit.
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ViolentAbacus
05/29/20 3:55:43 PM
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htaeD posted...
I dont mind which one we lynch myself much, both have their pros and cons.
But we should decide as a unit.

Pretty much this.

I'm sort of leaning towards Sceptile though for the pure fact that it doesn't even really seem like they want to be here.

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fire_bolt
05/29/20 4:00:00 PM
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htaeD posted...
But we should decide as a unit.


Agreed. He's might thoughts on the subject, for what they are worth.

I think most of town agrees we're lynching either Scept or Damion today. I don't think I've seen anyone arguing for anything else so far. Both seem like solid lynches. We don't have any reason to doubt Abacus and Chang seems believable to me as well.

So if all of that is true, lynching Scept seems to be the action with the most added value. If we lynch Damion and kill scum the bonus is helping to test the cop, but if we lynch Scept at all, scum or not town gains a vig shot. I fully expect Scept to flip scum at this point, and hopefully we can use that vig shot to still test the cop. Unless someone can make an argument for not lynching Scept at all, today is the day we lynch Scept.

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##Vote: Scept

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htaeD
05/29/20 4:11:59 PM
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The only argument is that Damion Might be bomblayer
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Corrik7
05/29/20 4:15:11 PM
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Chang being scum guessing right to kill Mzero last night doesn't make sense. Because in that scenario scept was the third party but if scept is laying bombs for scum he can't be third party as well. So, it doesn't work


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ViolentAbacus
05/29/20 4:19:19 PM
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##Vote: Scept

May change this by the end of the day (if he hasn't been lynched by then) but they have acted a lot more suspicious and even if they are town, Scept really doesn't seem to want to be here/putting in next to no effort so at least they won't have to check in?

Damion still has a very small chance of being framed (or someone affecting my read), and while I can't think of anything within the JoJo Flavor that would give someone a framing power, I would rather go more with the person who put in little amount of effort - especially if Chang gets a bullet to shoot Damion.

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DamionDL
05/29/20 4:45:37 PM
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Obviously I'm fine lynching scept. If I'm your highest scumspect then shoot me Chang. The biggest issue I have is that I know it's the wrong move and when I flip town that gives scum the opportunity to push on Abacus.

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masterplum
05/29/20 5:16:18 PM
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masterplum
05/29/20 5:19:28 PM
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Yeah ok we can kill sceptile. I think the odds that Chang is scum who gets a power is low enough we can do that.

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PunishedBen
05/29/20 5:22:32 PM
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05/29/20 5:23:15 PM
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htaeD
05/29/20 5:26:19 PM
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Well lets not put him at -1 so Damion can hammer him for the fun of it.
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masterplum
05/29/20 5:26:44 PM
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##unvote
##vote sceptile

That puts him to 6. Im cool ending today

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masterplum
05/29/20 5:27:05 PM
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ViolentAbacus
05/29/20 5:28:16 PM
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I'd prefer to end early today. I have more free time this weekend than usual.

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fire_bolt
05/29/20 5:32:46 PM
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Pretty sure Han mentioned wanting to end around 8 EST so that we can reset to a proper 24 hour day?
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changmas
05/29/20 5:37:42 PM
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as far as strategy goes if we do hammer i'm ok with dying in a 1 for 1 as this is presumably the only day/night left where I can even use this power. But if we could try to redirect the roleblock away from me that would be ideal.

and just so there is no confusion if i end up dead in the morning: i am 100% targeting damion so if some other shenanigans occur just know that I aimed at him.

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htaeD
05/29/20 5:43:21 PM
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Ending today sure. But just dont give any random suspect a chance to troll us by cutting of discussion.
Not that we seem to talk much anymore.
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htaeD
05/29/20 5:44:18 PM
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Also Corrik if Damion doesnt die tonight and we have 2 town nightkills, I know who to blame.
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ViolentAbacus
05/29/20 5:46:13 PM
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htaeD posted...
Ending today sure. But just dont give any random suspect a chance to troll us by cutting of discussion.
Not that we seem to talk much anymore.

I'm always here to talk/respond because I don't do anything exciting. But yeah, it's been fairly quiet the last few days.

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DamionDL
05/29/20 5:47:00 PM
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I'm not hammering unless everyone is cool with it

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ViolentAbacus
05/29/20 6:02:31 PM
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DamionDL posted...
The biggest issue I have is that I know it's the wrong move and when I flip town that gives scum the opportunity to push on Abacus.

I want to believe you, but, basing it off the flavor I have a hard time finding any characters who fit the roll of framer. There may be potentially two. One is a minor character of Part 5, and can't imagine a player would be them considering everyone has been a MC. The other is the villain of Part 6 and I can't imagine his power would be that.. But I could be wrong.

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HanOfTheNekos
05/29/20 6:04:50 PM
#28:


I have a fear that Chang is Scum, shoots someone other than Damion, and then tries to pin it on Corrik who would be Town.

But then again, if Corrik is Scum, he redirects the kill unless he goes for a long game.

I'm willing to accept Chang's claim for now, apologize for dunking Red and Scare and denying him a shot before, and express my continued disappointment that Puns was lynched.

See you tomorrow maybe but probably not lol.

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HanOfTheNekos
05/29/20 6:05:34 PM
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ViolentAbacus posted...
I want to believe you, but, basing it off the flavor I have a hard time finding any characters who fit the roll of framer. There may be potentially two. One is a minor character of Part 5, and can't imagine a player would be them considering everyone has been a MC. The other is the villain of Part 6 and I can't imagine his power would be that.. But I could be wrong.

Don't fall for flavor traps. If the host wanted, the Scum could have Bulbasaur with Instant Transmission - SCUM Framer.

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HanOfTheNekos
05/29/20 6:06:46 PM
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I think the most likely thing at the moment is that Scept and Damion are both Scum, and there is a last Scum who is trying to work this situation to the best of their ability so they can look good moving forward after these two get lynched.

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ViolentAbacus
05/29/20 6:07:31 PM
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HanOfTheNekos posted...
Don't fall for flavor traps. If the host wanted, the Scum could have Bulbasaur with Instant Transmission - SCUM Framer.

I'm keeping an open mind, and I'm open to the possibility to him being framed. But the more people die and flavors are revealed it seems like the host is at least keeping fairly well consistent to the flavor abilities.

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ViolentAbacus
05/29/20 6:07:58 PM
#32:


That being said, I was suspicious of Damion since day 1 when he kept hopping around with votes.

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HanOfTheNekos
05/29/20 6:08:02 PM
#33:


Sure. But creativity knows no bounds.

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HanOfTheNekos
05/29/20 6:08:36 PM
#34:


I just want both of them dead and to pop Scum so I can sit back and papa Chris will be proud of me

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HanOfTheNekos
05/29/20 6:11:25 PM
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Gimme a minute to lay out last thoughts in event I die

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HanOfTheNekos
05/29/20 6:15:10 PM
#36:


Actually, can one person unvote for a minute?

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ViolentAbacus
05/29/20 6:15:56 PM
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masterplum
05/29/20 6:19:04 PM
#38:


Yeah same here.

If we get down to one scum left remember that bussing is a thing, and active scum is a thing. This applies specifically to Ben. I dont think he is most likely scum now but he is by far most likely to win if he is scum right now.

If we are left with a bomber try to figure out why the bomber is bombing the way they did. They probably initially looked for scum and may have swapped to killing town. Try to identify who matches up voting and suspicion patterns with that.

Corrik still could lie about everything as either alignment. Dont base a lynch entirely on what he says. Back it up with evidence

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Corrik7
05/29/20 6:20:02 PM
#39:


Yikes

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masterplum
05/29/20 6:20:23 PM
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Corrik7
05/29/20 6:21:21 PM
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masterplum posted...
You chose this path
I didn't choose anything. God fated me for this path since before my even conception. Blame him.

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fire_bolt
05/29/20 6:24:14 PM
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Corrik7 posted...

I didn't choose anything. God fated me for this path since before my even conception. Blame him.


"I didn't choose the scumlord life, the scumlord life chose me."

Anyway, I'm out for the night. Stream time. I'm running SMB3 Any% warpless (badly) this evening
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Hbthebattle
05/29/20 6:26:20 PM
#43:


Goatals
[5] - Sceptile - Lea, (Plum), Chang, Bolt, (Abacus), Ben, Plum
[1] - Damion - Sultan, (Plum)

It takes 7 votes to autolynch. Day ends in approximately 25 hours, 30 minutes
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HanOfTheNekos
05/29/20 6:28:20 PM
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Damion
This guy is probably just Scum. As I've said every day. If there is a Framer, then they would be someone who thinks it would be necessary to make a guy who is dead to rights look bad, which is a bad play. We don't need a Scum scan on Damion to lynch him, and frankly, I'm modestly disappointed that that's what Abacus gave us.

Lea
Good girl Lea. She's done the right thing most every day. But her claim makes less sense is Chang is telling the truth. Would she really just have a role that is a red herring to a Tracker? Lea, what were your claimed targets each night?

Plum
Plum is Town.

Ben
Ben has enabled me this game and thought along my head so he's probably Town, but I would include him with Lea in an endgame poe at the moment.

Han
Han Solo. I'm captain of the Millennium Falcon.

Death
Didn't act N1 apparently. That's his only defense. Given what Damion and Scept pop, we will need to consider Death's lynch afterwards, most likely.

Abacus
To be Scum, Abacus had to have accidentally hinted he was Cop, then have his team tell him to go all in on it. Would explain why he hasn't been blocked more than once. But then again, nobody else has claimed to be blocked?

Sultan
Pretty sure this is just Town Sultan, guys.

Corrik
Corrik's claim is incredibly safe. That's what gives me the most doubt. He didn't claim 'I redirected Sultan to Han', which may or may not be able to be misproven. And that's why we need to put a big stamp of doubt on Corrik. If there IS a Doctor in the game... maybe don't claim yet, but be aware that Corrik's existence as protection falls apart a bit if there is a Doctor in the game. And as always - a redirector who can make Scum shoot themselves is incredibly incredibly incredibly incredibly strong. But he seemed Townish on day 1, so who knows.

Sceptile
Poor Sceptile has been ready to be lynched every day and I kept swerving it away from him. I'm a bastard. :)

Chang
Chang didn't do a whole lot, but his role is essentially what Lea had last game? What if Chang is just a third party killer who gets a kill if he guesses the lynch right? Was Chang on Puns? Did Chang want Puns dead yesterday? Either way, he's put himself into the spotlight which is a dangerous play, and if he is a Scummie, likely won't hide for long.

Bolt
If Bolt opens the game as Scum saying he has no faith in B8 Towns, then sees me call out 4 of the Scumteam right away, does he align with me like Lea did and play the long game? That'd be shrewd, but I don't think it's too likely.

tl;dr - here are my groupings of poe, from now to last

Damion
Sceptile

(this group resolves because powers - people in them aren't necessarily scummy)
Abacus
Corrik
Chang

Death
Lea
Ben
Sultan
Bolt

Plum

Han


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HanOfTheNekos
05/29/20 6:28:52 PM
#45:


##Vote: Sceptile

I am alright with hammer whenever. If you want to hold onto it for a bit, go ahead. Just do me a favor and hammer before an hour passes.

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PunishedBen
05/29/20 6:31:06 PM
#46:


HanOfTheNekos posted...
I think the most likely thing at the moment is that Scept and Damion are both Scum, and there is a last Scum who is trying to work this situation to the best of their ability so they can look good moving forward after these two get lynched.

HanOfTheNekos posted...
I think the most likely thing at the moment is that Scept and Damion are both Scum, and there is a last Scum who is trying to work this situation to the best of their ability so they can look good moving forward after these two get lynched.
Probably Corrik. All he has to do is not redirect chang and he's "confirmed town"!

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htaeD
05/29/20 6:46:53 PM
#47:


Didn't act N1 apparently. That's his only defense. Given what Damion and Scept pop, we will need to consider Death's lynch afterwards, most likely.


I am pretty sure I have my own charm to speak for me as well.
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htaeD
05/29/20 6:48:46 PM
#48:


Speaking from past experience
If the bomblayer is Not scum, they would want them to stay alive as long as possible while trying to lay low.
But that doesnt narrow the options down much.
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changmas
05/29/20 6:51:59 PM
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The one mildly concerning idea here to me is actually that scum has stopped roleblocking Abacus because Corrik is actually messing with his results instead. It's potentially risky, because they don't know who Abacus will target each night, but let's say Corrik is scum Redirector and last night he redirected Abacus into either himself or his scum teammate. He doesn't know who Abacus would investigate precisely, so it could backfire if Abacus actually chose to investigate Corrik but he can essentially manipulate the result of Abacus' scan at will if he chooses to do so. And if he did that last night...then Damion would theoretically be innocent.

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