Poll of the Day > To those who say #cancelrent

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You should sign over your stimcheck to your landlord. They dont get paid unless you get paid. They dont kick you out for the sake of being mean it is a business. The using of the quarentine to cheap out is absurd. Instead talk to your landlord and see if arrangements can be made. If not then make sure your not getting your security deposit back

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Im not aware of anyone on potd saying to cancel rent

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Mead posted...

Im not aware of anyone on potd saying to cancel rent

A few people iirc were talking at one point about people not being able to afford to continue to pay rent without income of their own.

The $1200 stimulus won't cover much for long for a lot of people.

Wow, that was barely even English.

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faramir77 posted...

Wow, that was barely even English.

landlords make money off of other people's labor, so they don't need to learn any useful skills like actual communication :)

Haha you know language correction has a correlation to penis size and bank account. Both are in the negative. But hey you do you as she won't. Anyway back on topic.

Yeah mead it has shown up usually for people who tend to be anarchy everything or those say that everyone should be in lock down. However its got so bad that it is starting to generate enough waves on twitter and newspapers are starting to report on.

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ScritchOwl posted...

Haha you know language correction has a correlation to penis size and bank account. Both are in the negative.

Factually untrue.

I didn't correct you and I have a deficit in both those areas.

I was sort of following along until you made it personal.

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ScritchOwl posted...

You should sign over your stimcheck to your landlord. They dont get paid unless you get paid. They dont kick you out for the sake of being mean it is a business. The using of the quarentine to cheap out is absurd. Instead talk to your landlord and see if arrangements can be made. If not then make sure your not getting your security deposit back

I think a decent landlord will ask their tenants to pay what they can at the moment and decent tenants will pay what they can at the moment .

Unfortunately there are some disrespectful people out there , so both some tenants and some landlords will try to cheat their way through .

It's not just tenants that can harm . Actually some states or provinces or regions have special relief rules in place right now , placed there to make it a bit easier for landlords who struggle with "unwilling to pay" tenants , but those not-thought-through rules also have negative impact on good people which suffer because their landlords used those rules to just get easy money , kicking them out just on a whim , lot's of stories in my town , let me tell ya .

Maybe where you live landlords are not mean and they don't kick respectful people out , but it happens in other places .
And most of the time on many places anywhere in the world , landlords won't look at your situation , they will only look for your payment , a friend just told me about a hard time he had with his landlord and it was awful.

I do agree on one thing ...a lot of people use the current situation to cheat and they act without respect and both tenants and landlords should be more respectful .


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Over charging and undermaintaining. Should have been charging a practical amount to begin with and tenants could afford to set aside emergency funds for situations like this. They brought this upon themselves.

ScritchOwl posted...

To those who say #cancelrent, you should sign over your stimcheck to your landlord. They dont get paid unless you get paid. They dont kick you out for the sake of being mean it is a business. The using of the quarentine to cheap out is absurd. Instead talk to your landlord and see if arrangements can be made. If not then make sure your not getting your security deposit back

I think many of those people didnt want rent to be cancel, but all housing payments. Like rent and mortgage. That way, nobody had to pay for anything. If that were the case, it would be fine for the landlord to not have to worry about your rent payment.

Also, what you said is kinda dumb, anyway. The people who cant afford rent, probably can.the because of a reason. Meaning that they still need their stimulus check. It probably means that even with the stimulus check, they might not be able to pay, anyway...
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Mead posted...

Im not aware of anyone on potd saying to cancel rent

I dont know about PotD, but CE was talking about it a while ago...
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Mead posted...

Im not aware of anyone on potd saying to cancel rent

what if i say it, but then i just go ahead and pay my rent anyways?

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ScritchOwl posted...

Haha you know language correction has a correlation to penis size and bank account. Both are in the negative. But hey you do you as she won't. Anyway back on topic.

what

Definitely taking financial advice from a guy that can barley form coherent sentences.

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POTD had multiple topics discussing not paying rent, but Mead probably had those people on ignore or some shit.

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#cancelrent is the juvenile equivalent of wanting to speak to the manager. Straight up acting like Karens.... dissatisfied with the price and quality of a purchase you already agreed to and therefore it should be free. And just like a Karen they've deluded themselves into thinking that they're morally superior to those whom they wish to steal from. Misguided altruism, because facing the reality that one is a cheap SOB is the only thing more difficult than paying bills

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Aculo posted...

what if i say it, but then i just go ahead and pay my rent anyways?

it will be another reminder you're a fantastic provider for your family, and showing your daughter a true gentleman, ok?

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Cancel rent is on the same level as demands for "reparations". No self respecting person with any level of class or decency is calling for either.


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There was a topic about that on here awhile ago, but yeah, everyone seemed pretty logical (yeah I know, I was shocked too) about it.

The push was to, like Linkpizza said, stop all mortgage and tax payments for the duration, along with rent.

This would prevent anyone from losing money right now and is a MUCH better idea then just handing out free money to people.

The main difference is that money would be coming out of the states, and they REALLY like all that money lol.
Well the states and the banks (and the gov doesn't really have any control over them so it's kinda impossible to
force them to stop charging mortgage payments right now).

Without that, you can not stop rent without harming home owners, possibly significantly. There are some extremists (usually those in their 20's who feel like it's not fair they can't own homes and that boomers have everything), that do suggest everyone just not pay rent because those evil landlords don't deserve it.

Many have no clue about mortgages, HoA fees, taxes every year, insurance etc that home owners/landlords pay. Even if you try and explain it, they just don't care. There are of course many people out there who are rich, own multiple buildings (or buildings with multiple apartments) and just make a large profit off their tenants. Somehow the idea has gotten into some peoples minds that ALL landlords are like that though, which is not the case.

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wolfy42 posted...

There was a topic about that on here awhile ago, but yeah, everyone seemed pretty logical (yeah I know, I was shocked too) about it.

The push was to, like Linkpizza said, stop all mortgage and tax payments for the duration, along with rent.

This would prevent anyone from losing money right now and is a MUCH better idea then just handing out free money to people.

The main difference is that money would be coming out of the states, and they REALLY like all that money lol.
Well the states and the banks (and the gov doesn't really have any control over them so it's kinda impossible to
force them to stop charging mortgage payments right now).

Without that, you can not stop rent without harming home owners, possibly significantly. There are some extremists (usually those in their 20's who feel like it's not fair they can't own homes and that boomers have everything), that do suggest everyone just not pay rent because those evil landlords don't deserve it.

Many have no clue about mortgages, HoA fees, taxes every year, insurance etc that home owners/landlords pay. Even if you try and explain it, they just don't care. There are of course many people out there who are rich, own multiple buildings (or buildings with multiple apartments) and just make a large profit off their tenants. Somehow the idea has gotten into some peoples minds that ALL landlords are like that though, which is not the case.

This is exactly what I was getting at. Especially the rolling fees part. If a landlord is not receiving rent their income is gone. So basically your asking the government to take there money and income while expecting them to provide the same services. This would be like the government issuing a furlough to maintenance companies (road, municpal utilities) while they are on the hook for maintenance. Just think what landlords are liable over. This is why you pay rent. If you mortgage your liable for maintaing the yard, ac/heat, sewage , any and all connections past you meter, structure repairs.


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ScritchOwl posted...

This is exactly what I was getting at. Especially the rolling fees part. If a landlord is not receiving rent their income is gone.

damn, im sure people who can't pay their rent have no idea what that feels like. why doesnt the landlord just get a real job

Good to see reasonable takes being presented here... as opposed to the Politics board, where a similar topic devolved into the majority of users claiming that all landlords are leeching scum and that the idea of rent is essentially immoral.

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OniRonin posted...

damn, im sure people who can't pay their rent have no idea what that feels like. why doesnt the landlord just get a real

Having issue it deleted job not trying to edit your quote.
How is being a landlord not a job?

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ScritchOwl posted...

Having issue it deleted job not trying to edit your quote.
How is being a landlord not a job?

because it doesnt involve work. i own a house and have rented a room out to ppl in the past. it was like 0 effort on my part. and because im not a psychopath, i wouldn't have kicked anyone out if they couldn't pay. especially not in a pandemic! i already have a real job i can use to pay the mortgage

ScritchOwl posted...

How is being a landlord not a job?

idk, but if thats a real job, so is being a career politician.

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ScritchOwl posted...

How is being a landlord not a job?

I think he means getting a job other than being a landlord. On CE, there was a similar line of thinking. Basically, a landlord shouldn't have to depend on rent to make money. If that's the case, it basically them buying something they can't afford. The whole thing was that if a landlord couldn't survive one month without rent, then they probably shouldn't have bought the building because they can't afford it. Because it they couldn't afford that, then they probably couldn't afford other things needed. Like if a repair needed to be done on the house and stuff. And if they couldn't survive a month without rent, how would they survive when somebody move out or whatever. I do personally think landlords should have another source of income instead of relying purely on rent money. Especially since rent could legally be stopped to them if they leave a tenant in unlivable conditions or whatever...
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LinkPizza posted...

I think he means getting a job other than being a landlord. On CE, there was a similar line of thinking. Basically, a landlord shouldn't have to depend on rent to make money. If that's the case, it basically them buying something they can't afford. The whole thing was that if a landlord couldn't survive one month without rent, then they probably shouldn't have bought the building because they can't afford it. Because it they couldn't afford that, then they probably couldn't afford other things needed. Like if a repair needed to be done on the house and stuff. And if they couldn't survive a month without rent, how would they survive when somebody move out or whatever. I do personally think landlords should have another source of income instead of relying purely on rent money. Especially since rent could legally be stopped to them if they leave a tenant in unlivable conditions or whatever...

I definitely uderstand the misgivings for a slum lord. The problem that people have is that people cannot seperate the 64 year old steel worker who bought 4 properties after retiring from a physically demanding job who will do the repairs himself (r.i.p. Mr Allen my former landlord) to the houses does wellfare checks on people who have health risk or are elderly versus Screwem Inc who has 40 apartment buildings, only contact point is voicemail, and the property manager only shows up to post notes on your door instead of knocking. A landlord should do maintenance on your house, check for code violations, and contact the residents. If they fail to do these things they run a risk of fines in excess of what they hypothetical rent is. Especially since alot of municipalities can and do fine per day out of ordinance.

Same with career politicians. We have quite a few jobs that are essentially that. Judges, middle management, upper management, police captains(and up), and so on. These jobs are basically providing lip service above and below you. The amount of work is little but without full time oversight by them the wheels fall off the machine. By onestly nobody would do those jobs without a paycheck unless they were getting bribes..........hey wait a minute! No but seriously the jobs labeled as beurocrat are often needed just because people are sheep. Most people cannot function without supervision in atleast one daily function.

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On one hand, I get that suspending rent isn't like suspending mortgage payments in that rent is a payment for a service that you're continuing to use (whereas a mortgage is a payment plan on a product you've purchased), so they aren't as comparable as people like to act like they are. On the other hand, everybody is losing income over this crisis and I don't see why landlords should be any different. Give them stimulus cheques as well and waive whatever taxes and mortgage payments are needed to keep a roof over their heads and food on their tables, and let them weather the storm with the rest of us. Maybe work out some plan whereby commercial tenants pay a percentage of their usual rent equal to the percentage of their usual business that they're able to maintain, since that's just fair, but otherwise there's no reason for landlords to expect to continue making the same amount of money they did when the country as able to work normally.

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ScritchOwl posted...

I definitely uderstand the misgivings for a slum lord. The problem that people have is that people cannot seperate the 64 year old steel worker who bought 4 properties after retiring from a physically demanding job who will do the repairs himself (r.i.p. Mr Allen my former landlord) to the houses does wellfare checks on people who have health risk or are elderly versus Screwem Inc who has 40 apartment buildings, only contact point is voicemail, and the property manager only shows up to post notes on your door instead of knocking. A landlord should do maintenance on your house, check for code violations, and contact the residents. If they fail to do these things they run a risk of fines in excess of what they hypothetical rent is. Especially since alot of municipalities can and do fine per day out of ordinance.

I do agree that there's a lot of unfair anti-landlord sentiment behind this idea. There are a lot of terrible landlords out there, certainly, but to screw all of them over based on that isn't fair to the ones that do treat their tenants well and take responsibility for their properties, and I think people need to separate themselves from that anger before making these suggestions. "They should just get a real job and suffer being broke in the mean time if they really depend on that rent so much" is not a healthy attitude, nor is it proper justification for sweeping rent cancellation measures. Landlords need money to survive, too. That money shouldn't necessarily have to come from their tenants during such a time of mass unemployment, and falling below their normal income levels shouldn't be a problem provided their basic needs are taken care of, but some compassion for landlords is still warranted.

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If there was some kind of universal income, at a basic level, I feel like that would help out both renters and property owners

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dedbus posted...

Should have been charging a practical amount to begin with and tenants could afford to set aside emergency funds for situations like this. They brought this upon themselves.

So if someone cant afford milk from the grocery store right now, its Krogers fault for not having priced it lower all along.

Your logic is juvenile.

BeerOnTap posted...

So if someone cant afford milk from the grocery store right now, its Krogers fault for not having priced it lower all along.

Your logic is juvenile.

the price of milk is a lot different from the price of a house as it turns out

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BeerOnTap posted...

So if someone cant afford milk from the grocery store right now, its Krogers fault for not having priced it lower all along.

Your logic is juvenile.

imagine making that argument and then calling someone juvenile in the same post lmao

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TheWitchMorgana posted...

the price of milk is a lot different from the price of a house as it turns out

Ok then break it down to the base commodity as food. It cost roughly $0.50 to $1.00 a day to feed a person basic nutrition for a day which is pretty much rice and protein. If following @BeerOnTap on taps logic you couldn't afford that its not krogers fault. That sounds correct.

Sorry hit save by mistake

But there are alot of things that aren't affordable ask the homeless people who cant ask for food stamps due to no residence. Or run away kids kicked out for being lgbt. Just because its more doesnt mean its not the same failure of society

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ScritchOwl posted...

It cost roughly $0.50 to $1.00 a day to feed a person basic nutrition for a day

lmao

maybe if you ate once a day

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A box of rice is 50c and so is beans so yeah thats per day its not glamorous but its something.

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ScritchOwl posted...

A box of rice is 50c and so is beans so yeah thats per day its not glamorous but its something.

youre going to feel like shit all the time if youre eating rice and beans only.

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I'd be fine with the idea of cancelling all rent claims if it went simultaneously in hand with suspensions on mortgages and a hold on all property taxes.

So long as a landlord is still expected to pay taxes or make payments on their property, I see zero reason why their tenants should fuck them over by cutting off their income while they're still expected to fulfill their own commitments.

"Fuck the guy in the middle" is fine if you're not the guy in the middle. But it's pretty shitty if you are.
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DirtBasedSoap posted...

youre going to feel like shit all the time if youre eating rice and beans only.

Exactly and thats why homeless people dumpster dive. But someone who has never experienced poverty says why dont you buy food its cheap. Just like telling a low income family so what the epi-pen is $300-800 just dont feed your kid peanut butter. Affordability isn't the same as accessibility to the cash to get the item.

Of course you are picturing a karen saying that.

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Rent-seeking should be criminalized, and not for anything to do with the pandemic. There's a large body of research detailing its negative economic and social effects.

Of course, parasitic lawmakers have every incentive not to crack down on parasitism.
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DirtBasedSoap posted...

youre going to feel like shit all the time if youre eating rice and beans only.

Rice and beans shouldn't be the only thing you eat, but it can be a staple. I bought a 50 lb of rice when I entered grad school for $15...wasn't bad. There's a ton of things you can do with it. Paid $30 on some bulk spices that lasted me years before tossing them in a move.

Chicken quarters are a couple bucks for 10 lbs also. Fruit and veggies can be gotten frozen in large bags. It's really not that expensive to have a good diet and good meals. The trick is to buy what's cheap, buy staples, and then figure out what to make from what you have.

Splatterhouse5 posted...

Rent-seeking should be criminalized, and not for anything to do with the pandemic. There's a large body of research detailing its negative economic and social effects.

Of course, parasitic lawmakers have every incentive not to crack down on parasitism.

Renting is the cheapest way to live for most people.

blu posted...

Renting is the cheapest way to live for most people.

People dont see that though. They either dont understand maintenance, lawn care, HOA, taxes and esgrow. Or they dont understand the other side bear repellant, ammo, morphine, needles, fishing line, and a cart of some sort(this is a requirement for being homeless in ca)

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Id get tired on rice and beans after week if that was all I ate. Even with other foods, I could probably eat it a little longer. But Id still get tired to the point that I wouldnt eat...
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ScritchOwl posted...

Exactly and thats why homeless people dumpster dive. But someone who has never experienced poverty says why dont you buy food its cheap. Just like telling a low income family so what the epi-pen is $300-800 just dont feed your kid peanut butter. Affordability isn't the same as accessibility to the cash to get the item.

Of course you are picturing a karen saying that.

I didnt until you said that...

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ScritchOwl posted...

Ok then break it down to the base commodity as food. It cost roughly $0.50 to $1.00 a day to feed a person basic nutrition for a day which is pretty much rice and protein. If following @BeerOnTap on taps logic you couldn't afford that its not krogers fault. That sounds correct.

meanwhile, a landlord has to pay $0.50 to $1.00 to themselves a day. won't somebody think of the landlords

OniRonin posted...

meanwhile, a landlord has to pay $0.50 to $1.00 to themselves a day. won't somebody think of the landlords

By your logic I am going to borrow your car, drive it, eat arby's messiest sandwich, spill drinks on the floor and demand you fill it up with gas as I need it. Also you get paid zero dollars. Also I wrecked it and gave your insurance info and parked it in a handicap spot for 2 weeks. Regardless of how bad I treated it you have to take me to court to give it back while all I lost was a one time deposit of 75 dollars.

The landlords put alot of faith in you ans have to pay and work to maintain the property. Its not like an airbnb

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Mr Hangman posted...

They get one of those checks too, you obsequious pawn.

Yes the do but we are talking rent money pretentious jackabite!

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