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Ryan__Leaf
03/30/20 8:28:04 PM
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His sole purpose was to keep Adam and Eve enslaved in the Garden of Eden when the serpent saved them. Yaweh was all about death and destruction.

Jesus Christ on the other hand was all about love and forgiveness, if you believe in the Trinity he was son of a totally different father God and not Yaweh.

Or maybe I smoke too much weed I don't know

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pikachupwnage
03/30/20 8:30:27 PM
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Ryan__Leaf posted...
"Or maybe I smoke too much weed I don't know"

Yeah that

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Ryan__Leaf
03/30/20 8:31:13 PM
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pikachupwnage posted...
"Or maybe I smoke too much weed I don't know"

Yeah that

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eston
03/30/20 8:31:57 PM
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malenz
03/30/20 8:32:51 PM
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God is an asshole. He won't accept our forgiveness until Jesus literally forced Him to by dying on the fucking cross.

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Crazyman93
03/30/20 8:34:31 PM
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Ryan__Leaf posted...

Or maybe I smoke too much weed I don't know

That. Though you are coming close to Cathar doctrine. A heresy so reviled in its day, the commander at the gate said "kill them all and let God sort it out."
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uwnim
03/30/20 8:37:22 PM
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Try Gnosticism, tc.

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Tyranthraxus
03/30/20 8:38:13 PM
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If you get high enough, this happens



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mustachedmystic
03/30/20 8:38:58 PM
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eston posted...
Maybe everyone else doesn't smoke enough weed

Some of us can't smoke anymore.

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ZeroX91
03/30/20 8:44:37 PM
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I mean if you wanna go real deep down the rabbit hole certain sects believed YHVH was a victorious Lucifer based off how bipolar the fucker is and Satan litterally just meaning adversary.

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EmbraceOfDeath
03/30/20 8:52:40 PM
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Ryan__Leaf posted...
His sole purpose was to keep Adam and Eve enslaved in the Garden of Eden when the serpent saved them. Yaweh was all about death and destruction.

Jesus Christ on the other hand was all about love and forgiveness, if you believe in the Trinity he was son of a totally different father God and not Yaweh.

Or maybe I smoke too much weed I don't know
You're pretty much right.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demiurge#Yaldabaoth

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Wewillrocku
03/30/20 8:54:58 PM
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if you believe in the Trinity
lol.

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Phantom36
03/31/20 5:38:01 PM
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In Genesis, what is supposed to be a singular god entity says WE decided to make man in OUR image, plural. There's only one possible explanation!


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Laserion
03/31/20 5:40:53 PM
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This sounds like Gnosti...
uwnim posted...
Try Gnosticism, tc.

OK.
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Sariana21
03/31/20 5:41:16 PM
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Judas Iscariot is the true hero of the New Testament. If he hadn't revealed the location of Jesus and the Apostlles, the arrest would not have happened, Jesus would not have hanged on the cross, and the Resurrection would not have occurred.

Judas sacrificed his own reputation for the sake of humanity's collective soul. We should be thanking him every day.

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Phantom36
03/31/20 5:55:34 PM
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Sariana21 posted...
Judas Iscariot is the true hero of the New Testament. If he hadn't revealed the location of Jesus and the Apostlles, the arrest would not have happened, Jesus would not have hanged on the cross, and the Resurrection would not have occurred.

Judas sacrificed his own reputation for the sake of humanity's collective soul. We should be thanking him every day.

That's actually an interesting thought

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Damn_Underscore
03/31/20 5:59:23 PM
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And this is why the Colts drafted Peyton Manning
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coinstarcad
03/31/20 6:00:46 PM
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But God already knew Judas would do what he did. So there.
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Zikten
03/31/20 6:25:33 PM
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according to the Gospel of Judas, Jesus TOLD Judas to "betray" him. also Judas was Jesus's favorite disciple. and he received special extra wisdom the others didn't. they were jealous and made up scandalous lies about Judas later. lies that made it into the bible
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Laserion
03/31/20 6:26:04 PM
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Creation was a mistake, and this "Creator God" stole power from a higher... Godthingie, and locked it out. Now this higher Godthingie is slowly hacking into this creator god's material world to get it all back. All It needs is for matter to become sentient enough to see beyond its walls and escape/return. Sending the serpent to Adam and Eve is part of that plan, and sending then Jesus is also part of that plan.
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Ultima Dragon
03/31/20 6:31:32 PM
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The Old Testament God and New Testament God seem like two totally different Gods, for sure.

It's also interesting to look at those things from a different perspective. Like Lucifer as the lightbringer.

What seems more sinister? Wanting to keep humans in a cage and ignorant and worshipping you for all eternity? Or setting them free and sharing with them knowledge of themselves and the world around them?

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iPhone_7
03/31/20 6:53:55 PM
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Interesting concept. The (actually) bad deity won and tricked everyone into thinking the (actually) good deity was the bad one.

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EverDownward
03/31/20 7:01:52 PM
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or maybe you're looking a bit too deep into gnostics and should first read the book of jude that decried the coming corruption of the church here: https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Jude&version=NABRE

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MrMallard
03/31/20 7:17:12 PM
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I dunno, isn't Yahweh the Jewish term for God? Seems kinda prickly to single that one out.

Old Testament, Catholic/Christian God is, for the sake of Christianity, known as God. So I mean sure, God is an asshole. Yahweh, by virtue of being the same figure in a different interpretation of the mythos, might share traits with the Christian God. But there are different events and interpretations of Yahweh in Judaism, most of them translated directly from texts as old as dirt rather than the multiple translation butcherings that modern Christian bibles are descended from, as well as events and beliefs that the Jewish faith believes in that Christianity doesn't. So Yahweh probably isn't synonymous with the Christian God like this topic is getting at.

Then you have Allah, who's the Muslim interpretation of the Abrahamic God. I doubt anyone on this board would conflate Allah and the beliefs of Islamic people with the Christian God, or vice versa.

Old God in the Christian faith isn't necessarily Yahweh, Middle or Post-Jesus God isn't necessarily Allah. All three are distinct interpretations of the same mythical figure, not evolutionary steps in the same united being.

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Keith_Valentine
03/31/20 7:19:01 PM
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iPhone_7 posted...
Interesting concept. The (actually) bad deity won and tricked everyone into thinking the (actually) good deity was the bad one.

Ive thought this. Take for an example the concept of Hell. If you read Revelations, it is actually sadistic. Humanity and all life tormented and killed by the millions, demons and angels of death roaming the world reaping souls, dissidents cast into fire forever to burn in constant torment. The winner of the battle between ultimate deities casts the loser into fire where they burn forever because they cant die. Which i believe is a reference to casting one of the gods into the Sun itself. What if the Sun is actually powered by the incredible energy of an alien god that is trapped inside of it? What if angels left heaven to fall in love with humans and have kida we refer to as nephilim. Maybe the leader of these angels was named Azazel and is locked in a pit in the center of the Earth by Apollyon.

And the one sitting in Heaven is actually a god of death and pain who overthrew the original Creator out of jealousy. Because hes powerful but he cannot create, only destroy, and thats why life is always more powerful than death and birth is a miracle. And why good always overpowers evil in popular culture, because darkness cant exist when light shines on it. Like using the truth to expose a piece of shit. But this fake god is harvesting souls and gathering power for a final battle for control of the world, because it wants to cast us all into the void.

What if Lucifer the fallen angel is actually a "female" and the creator God is in love with her and cant bring himself to destroy her? They said Lucifer was the most beautiful angel of all, we dont know hes a man, and the greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didnt exist. The dark is gaining more and more power, maybe they think they can finally take god out because Lucifer is a crazy bitch with daddy issues. Like a gf who hates you for being strong and cant help but try to break you, the way a kid constantly tests the parent unless they are firmly disciplined.
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Paragon21XX
03/31/20 7:24:09 PM
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Zikten posted...
according to the Gospel of Judas, Jesus TOLD Judas to "betray" him. also Judas was Jesus's favorite disciple. and he received special extra wisdom the others didn't. they were jealous and made up scandalous lies about Judas later. lies that made it into the bible

There is no real gospel of Judas. It's just fanfiction written 100s of years later, and someone discovered it later on and thought it was real. Hell, this applies to all of the gnostic gospels.

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ElatedVenusaur
03/31/20 7:24:59 PM
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Yazidism has a unique twist: the Earth is ruled over by a being known as Taws Melek or the Peacock Angel. When God creates the angels, He instructs them to bow before no other being but God.
When God creates Adam, He instructs the angels to bow before him. Only the Peacock Angel refuses, and when asked why, he argues that to bow before Adam would be to disobey God's previous order. For his wisdom, God rewarded the Peacock Angel with dominion over Earth and humans, and tasks him to guide them.
The Peacock Angel, if you haven't already guessed, is typically identified with Satan/Lucifer/Iblis, but here he is recast as the first among the angels as opposed to an evil adversary.

Also, it's worth mentioning that "Satan", in the original conception, was more title than name. The Jews envisaged the Satans as participating in judging souls: it was their duty to declaim a soul's sins and test their faith, more so for the sake of the mortal than for Yaweh, of course.

Lastly, SMTIV: Apocalypse takes things in an interesting direction...
Lucifer is, unwittingly, still a servant of YHVH: he is the scourge YHVH uses to drive humans to him and to punish the sinful. Lucifer could never actually threaten YHVH: only humans are capable of downing him; this is why Krishna and the Divine Powers needed Flynn. When both Lucifer/Walter and Merkabeh/Jonathan are defeated in YHVH's realm, they regain their consciousnesses and fuse to form Satan in order to battle YHVH.
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Keith_Valentine
03/31/20 7:29:48 PM
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Sariana21 posted...
Judas Iscariot is the true hero of the New Testament. If he hadn't revealed the location of Jesus and the Apostlles, the arrest would not have happened, Jesus would not have hanged on the cross, and the Resurrection would not have occurred.

Judas sacrificed his own reputation for the sake of humanity's collective soul. We should be thanking him every day.

Hes not a hero, hes a bitch who did it for money. Jesus orchestrated his own downfall, Judas was a useful idiot and a clout chaser.
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Wewillrocku
03/31/20 7:50:05 PM
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Keith_Valentine posted...
Hes not a hero, hes a bitch who did it for money. Jesus orchestrated his own downfall, Judas was a useful idiot and a clout chaser.
jesus was a blasphemer who accused god of sin as soon as he was about to die in that myth.

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Tyranthraxus
03/31/20 7:54:39 PM
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Zikten posted...
according to the Gospel of Judas, Jesus TOLD Judas to "betray" him. also Judas was Jesus's favorite disciple. and he received special extra wisdom the others didn't. they were jealous and made up scandalous lies about Judas later. lies that made it into the bible

Judas was his favorite so hard that he explicitly names Peter as his favorite.

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Paragon21XX
03/31/20 8:01:01 PM
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Wewillrocku posted...
jesus was a blasphemer who accused god of sin as soon as he was about to die in that myth.
Reciting Psalm 22 is a sin? News to me.

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ZEROWOLF
03/31/20 8:02:56 PM
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So how did people decide God was the good one and Lucifer was the bad one again?

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MachineJaipur
03/31/20 8:04:10 PM
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has TC been reading the Joy of Satan
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Solar_Crimson
03/31/20 8:04:57 PM
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Sariana21 posted...
Judas Iscariot is the true hero of the New Testament. If he hadn't revealed the location of Jesus and the Apostlles, the arrest would not have happened, Jesus would not have hanged on the cross, and the Resurrection would not have occurred.

Judas sacrificed his own reputation for the sake of humanity's collective soul. We should be thanking him every day.
And yet, according to Dante, he's one of three individuals who are being chewed like gum by Satan for all eternity.

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Wewillrocku
03/31/20 8:15:11 PM
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Paragon21XX posted...
Reciting Psalm 22 is a sin? News to me.
the asswipe who wrote that was also a blasphemer.

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EverDownward
03/31/20 8:15:40 PM
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Solar_Crimson posted...
And yet, according to Dante, he's one of three individuals who are being chewed like gum by Satan for all eternity.
...is The Divine Comedy canon?

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ScazarMeltex
03/31/20 8:16:35 PM
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EverDownward posted...
...is The Divine Comedy canon?
No

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Paragon21XX
03/31/20 8:17:00 PM
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EverDownward posted...
...is The Divine Comedy canon?
Every bit as canon as the Gnostic Gospels.

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Prestoff
03/31/20 8:19:10 PM
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malenz posted...
God is an asshole. He won't accept our forgiveness until Jesus literally forced Him to by dying on the fucking cross.

He's even more of an asshole for enacting a zero tolerance policy because he made a dumbshit that listened to a talking snake.

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03/31/20 8:22:18 PM
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EverDownward
03/31/20 8:36:00 PM
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Paragon21XX posted...
Every bit as canon as the Gnostic Gospels.
I'll take that as "very heretical, and not canon in the least." Which makes sense. Bible is the only genuine canon, and only peripheral material like Kierkegaard for if you want a bit more perspective.

I still like Paradise Lost, though. Too bad the sequel never made the same sort of splash.

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KYOJIROKAGENUMA
03/31/20 9:55:26 PM
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ElatedVenusaur posted...
Yazidism has a unique twist: the Earth is ruled over by a being known as Taws Melek or the Peacock Angel. When God creates the angels, He instructs them to bow before no other being but God.
When God creates Adam, He instructs the angels to bow before him. Only the Peacock Angel refuses, and when asked why, he argues that to bow before Adam would be to disobey God's previous order. For his wisdom, God rewarded the Peacock Angel with dominion over Earth and humans, and tasks him to guide them.
The Peacock Angel, if you haven't already guessed, is typically identified with Satan/Lucifer/Iblis, but here he is recast as the first among the angels as opposed to an evil adversary.

Also, it's worth mentioning that "Satan", in the original conception, was more title than name. The Jews envisaged the Satans as participating in judging souls: it was their duty to declaim a soul's sins and test their faith, more so for the sake of the mortal than for Yaweh, of course.

Lastly, SMTIV: Apocalypse takes things in an interesting direction...
Lucifer is, unwittingly, still a servant of YHVH: he is the scourge YHVH uses to drive humans to him and to punish the sinful. Lucifer could never actually threaten YHVH: only humans are capable of downing him; this is why Krishna and the Divine Powers needed Flynn. When both Lucifer/Walter and Merkabeh/Jonathan are defeated in YHVH's realm, they regain their consciousnesses and fuse to form Satan in order to battle YHVH.

Man I really need to go through and play the SMT series...


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ElatedVenusaur
03/31/20 10:10:36 PM
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KYOJIROKAGENUMA posted...
Man I really need to go through and play the SMT series...
The series does a few different things with its Law vs. Chaos dynamic, and the creators seem to really like Mastema, as he features prominently in Strange Journey and SMT IV.
Mastema is sort of a proto-Lucifer in Jewish traditions, and both games have him ostensibly aligned with God.
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synth_real
03/31/20 11:49:03 PM
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Keith_Valentine posted...
What if Lucifer the fallen angel is actually a "female"
Lucifer is definitely a strong masculine presence, a beautiful man but still male. I'd respect your angle a little more if you knew enough about the topic to work in his strong association with the planet Venus

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discodancer77
03/31/20 11:54:32 PM
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Finally, some info about SMT V

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synth_real
04/01/20 12:38:14 AM
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Ultima Dragon posted...
The Old Testament God and New Testament God seem like two totally different Gods, for sure.
That's because the story of Jesus was stolen entirely from the Mithras mystery cults that came from Persia. The entire story of both of them is actually an astrological allegory for the movement of the sun through the twelve signs of the Zodiac. This is why he had 12 disciples, their personalities are from their respective Zodiac sign.

His birth is celebrated on December 25th because it's three days after the Winter Solstice (the shortest day of the year) which is when the days start getting longer again. He was born between the signs of Sagittarius (the horse) and Capricorn (the goat) hence "born in a manger." 30 years later (actually 30 degrees of the sky when the sun enters Aquarius the water bearer) he met John the Baptist and was baptized in water. Then, when the sun enters Pisces, he recruited 12 fishermen as his disciples. The miracles he began performing after this were all symbolic of the sun as a bringer of abundance and health. The Last Supper is actually the harvest, and the 30 pieces of silver Judas betrayed him for (actually a pretty paltry sum even then) is the harvest moon. He was betrayed at the end of the time of Virgo in the garden of Gethsemane, a word that means "oil press," they grew olives in this garden, hence they made virgin olive oil there. Then, Jesus faced judgement under the sign of Libra, was scourged and paraded through the streets during the sign of Scorpio, which is called the persecuter. Finally, he was crucified under the sign of Sagittarius, who in addition to being a horse is also an archer and symbolic of Death, he died on the day of the Winter Solstice, went down to Hell for the three shortest days of the year, and was resurrected when the days started getting longer again.

Every time you praise Jesus, you're really just worshipping the Sun.

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malenz
04/01/20 12:39:25 AM
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Prestoff posted...
He's even more of an asshole for enacting a zero tolerance policy because he made a dumbshit that listened to a talking snake.
oh sorry jesus? you don't like being my son? why don't you cry about it: god

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