Current Events > Yaweh, the biblical god of the Old Testament was actually a human hating demon

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YellowSUV posted...

Paragon21XX posted...
There is no real gospel of Judas. It's just fanfiction written 100s of years later, and someone discovered it later on and thought it was real. Hell, this applies to all of the gnostic gospels.

The Gospel of Thomas was written around the same time as the Biblical gospels, where do you place that on the fanfiction scale?

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One of the most legit discussions ive seen on gfaqs in a long time.

BathroomWater posted...

Animist polytheism with hundreds upon hundreds of gods. A trio of goddesses were especially revered, and Allah was included in the pantheon but more as a king god or something akin to that, not the all-encompassing lord of all worlds, one-God that we see today.

Yeah, the Kaaba was even a pre-Islamic shrine which Muhammad converted to a shrine for Allah, for example.
Islam can be understood as synthesizing all the most popular elements of Judaism and Christianity with traditional Arabic beliefs and folklore, really. The two religions had been presented in the Arabian peninsula for centuries at the time of Islam's founding, and Ethiopia even invaded and conquered a Jewish kingdom to put an end to its persecution of Christians(and to get started on persecuting Jews).

@Damn_Underscore

You need to ask yourself what really even is astrology and why does something like astrology even exist. If you're looking to try to explain everything with some kind of universal truth it is this. The universal truth is humans need to know things. As for what they need to know there's a lot of different things they want to know such as what happens after death and what happened at the beginning of the universe. But none of these wants are as pressing as the need to know the future. I do not mean what is the world going to be like in a thousand years either. I am talking about what is going to happen in the next 5 minutes? what is going to happen in the next hour? what is going to happen in the next month?

We have a system for that today it's called science. because of science I know that if I put some seeds in dirt and water it at the end of the year I will have a small shrub or sapling. because of science I know the milk in my fridge will go bad in about 2 weeks. I don't have to guess. At the end of the day, science is about knowing the future based on what's happening now or happened in the past.

the old system for knowing the future was astrology but it wasn't based on things that happened or are happening it was based on the movements of stars many light years away as well as the planets in our solar system. It also obviously did not work very well.

All other religions follow the same pattern they try to find answers for the future. some may copy astrology and some may not but effectively every religion is completely filled with prophecies and dogma required to bring about a specific outcome. the tales of the figures of religion are people who practice this religion showing that their prophecies are true and that their dogma works and that false prophets who do not follow the religion are either con men or just wrong.

these tales are common throughout all different cultures because we made them up because we all have the same basic desire to know the future. As for why anyone would think that showering for 20 minutes a day or the patterns of the Stars would tell you the future, I can't honestly say that you could discount those theories until you've actually tried them. of course we've tried them and they don't work but they are at least worth trying. You would not be a good scientist to simply dismiss a theory like that without actually trying it first. Throwing shit against the wall and seeing what sticks is basically what we've been doing for all human history.

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Foppe posted...

YellowSUV posted...

Paragon21XX posted...
There is no real gospel of Judas. It's just fanfiction written 100s of years later, and someone discovered it later on and thought it was real. Hell, this applies to all of the gnostic gospels.

The Gospel of Thomas was written around the same time as the Biblical gospels, where do you place that on the fanfiction scale?

Only if you trust the reasoning used to date it that early (form criticism). The biggest problem with relying on that method to determine the date a manuscript was originally written is that a lot of the content is more likely to have been from the mid-to-late 2nd century (particularly the passages that support Gnosticism) thus it required cherry-picking some parts of the available manuscript and ignoring others to arrive at the dates of 60 AD to 100 AD for the autographic copy which is either missing or no longer exists.
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