Board 8 > Do you think coronavirus is now a bigger news story than 9/11 was?

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I was too young to really grasp the news around 9/11. This though, this shit I grasp, and I hate that I do.

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9/11 affected America and killed 1/3 of the people coronavirus has so far. Corona is still accelerating further away and is a global news story.

Obviously corona is bigger.

Get your head out your ass america.

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I remember when 9/11 happened there were people on the radio from NPR to Sports talk discussing that Irony and Comedy would be changed forever. It wasn't. But thats how insane people felt, that the world couldn't laugh again.

We had comics where Spiderman failed to be there for 911.

Now the difference is sports didnt cancel then

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American arrogance over 9000 here.

Yes of course. This has the entire world involved.

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Coronavirus is going to end up as a footnote when people realize its not as big a deal as they are making it out to be

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911 started a war and affected people for well over a decade.

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Very shocked at these results.

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The Casual Revolution of 2007

some say it still continues to this day

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People don't grasp how 9/11 affected EVERYTHING not just America. This is big too but I dunno. 9/11 was INSANE as well.

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I don't know if it is yet but I think it might wind up that way

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This won't beat out 9/11 in the long term.

9/11 permanently changed western society by enabling the surveillance state. It made airports, concert venues, and schools miserable and took away our sense of privacy.

It also inspired the horrible foriegn policy and multiple wars that affected the entire globe, as well as the waves of xenophobia that have officially risen to power in the past five years

Long term? This virus might just make people more cool with hanging out online or working from home.

It's a more personal story. So I guess ultimately it's a silly question.

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Coronavirus is a big story, but it has to change something in the way we go about things in a pretty major way far into the future for it to surpass 9/11.

Coronavirus has a bigger short term impact because it's changed how people are going about the day to day. Let's say this lasts for like a year (even 6 months). I'd say then it's probably the bigger story. But in reality, we'll probably not know the real impact of the pandemic until several years from now when we can look back and see the actual changes it brought about.

I think because 9/11 was a sudden, shocking impact and Coronavirus has had a more gradual ramp-up you think about them a bit differently.

I'd say Coronavirus is the bigger story now but it's a hard call to make because 9/11 was such an immediate shock.

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I'm voting NO for now, but it could easily get there.


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Right NOW, yes.

9/11 changed things for years to come, but it didn't damn near shut down the world the way coronavirus has.

Now, whether coronavirus will turn out to have the long-term impact 9/11 did, who knows.

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I think it will be.
The biggest difference won't be the disease but the shift on globalism, especially with China.

A rise of nationalism and goods produced nationally will occur for at least two generations. That's huge.

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MegamanX posted...

Now the difference is sports didnt cancel then

Not true! Baseball stopped for awhile, leading to the World Series ending in November (shout out to my DBacks)

To answer the question, it's not even close, and the people saying 9/11 only affected America are wrong. Covid-19 is closer to the 2009 swine flu but with more social media and panic

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I dont expect non-Americans to share the same sentiments as Americans with this question. Perhaps even rightly so.

In 20 years you're STILL gonna be x ray scanned at the airport

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MZero11 posted...

To answer the question, it's not even close, and the people saying 9/11 only affected America are wrong. Covid-19 is closer to the 2009 swine flu but with more social media and panic

Okay sure to the first part of the sentence, but people just saying corona is close to the swine flu are just as big a problem as the people in panic because they're not taking it serious enough. The world has basically closed down, it's nothing like that.

To the topic question, it really depends on how you understand "bigger news story". I doubt the everlasting impact of this will reach what 9/11 did, but this has a lot higher death date and has the whole world allowed.

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Pokewars and banananor are dead-on here IMO. 9/11 absolutely had massive implications across the globe; the people voting for it here aren't just being "jingoistic American swine" or whatever.

That having been said, I agree with Ngamer that the gap in influence still has time to shrink.

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9/11 raised gas prices to $5 a gallon for a day. I think the initial reaction was that the United States was being invaded.

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cyan1001 posted...

Coronavirus is going to end up as a footnote when people realize its not as big a deal as they are making it out to be

MZero11 posted...

To answer the question, it's not even close, and the people saying 9/11 only affected America are wrong. Covid-19 is closer to the 2009 swine flu but with more social media and panic

Um... Are you guys in an alternative earth or something? How are you posting on our message boards??

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If the world literally ended today, 9/11 wins

2 months from now Coronavirus probably wins
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Caveat to that: Thats assuming the world didnt end today because of Coronavirus <_<
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Didn't care for 9/11 because it was an American thing. I care for this now a lot since it is a global thing.

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Its too soon to really know. As of right now its 9/11. Ask again in a year.

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Safer_777 posted...

Didn't care for 9/11 because it was an American thing. I care for this now a lot since it is a global thing.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reactions_to_the_September_11_attacks

God I hope you're too young to remember. Or just a bad troll.

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It was an American thing. Americans died in a terrorist attack that a terrorist organization did. It affected very few countries. I know that you Americans think you are in the center of the world but you aren't you know. For example in my country sure there was some worrying but that was it.
But now? It affects everyone. So there you go.

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Many of the security measures people are talking about were commonplace outside of the US in the 90s and earlier in many countries. The Iraq War it led to is a much much bigger story than 9/11, with a much bigger impact. Or the Syrian Civil War for that matter. The global financial crash is also a bigger story. And if you want tragedies there is the 2004 boxing day tsunami that killed over 200,000 people. Hell, the Yugoslav wars lasted for ten years, killed ~150,000 people, displaced 4,000,000 and completely restructured that area. Oh, and the fall of the Soviet Union!

This idea that 9/11 is the most important thing ever is as Ameri-centric as it gets.

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People are answering for themselves personally. 9/11 affected them more than the CV.

Safer_777 posted...

It was an American thing. Americans died in a terrorist attack that a terrorist organization did. It affected very few countries. I know that you Americans think you are in the center of the world but you aren't you know. For example in my country sure there was some worrying but that was it.
But now? It affects everyone. So there you go.

One problem:
I'm Canadian. It did affect the world. Quit being naive to suggest it was solely an American thing.

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@Lightning_Strikes I agree. I know that Americans(and apparently Canadians)think that day was the worst ever but let's be real here. It was bad sure but a lot more events were and are much worse.
We had a Civil war until like 20 years ago as you said(Yugoslav Wars)but fuck them right?Their problem. Or the Syrian Civil war but fuck them too right? I don't see USA intervening there.
Guess there is not much to earn there so they stay out of this. Real noble.

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Yeah, people tend to imagine that the everlasting impact of 9/11 in America has been of the same size globally, which is nowhere near true. It's definitely somewhere in between the extremes made in this topic. Lightning Strikes has some good examples of things that at least here in Europe was basically just as big a deal as 9/11. That said, there was definitely more than just some worrying over here.

The things about coronavirus is that it's actually just pausing everything in the world little by little. We're not just paying our respect to the many that has died of it so far and scaredly continuing our own lives. Countries are closed for every single person and we don't know how long it might continue to f*** everything that was supposed to happen over. For sure nothing has been like that in my time.

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Hearing the older adults discussing this how major it is and how they've never experienced anything like it, really put it into perspective for me.

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I was an adult during 9/11, and while it was certainly a big deal, I have to say it pales in comparison to what's happening now.

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I was living in Chile and I distinctly remember my elementary school basically pausing all classes when 9/11 happened. A teacher wheeled in a TV so we could all watch the news. It was a huge deal even in my corner of the world.

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Coronavius affects the entire world, there's a death toll everyday by the thousands, economy is crashing everywhere, the world is paused, everybody and every surface is a potential threat and not just some islamic looking dude, and it'll be like that for a while.

There is no contest here.

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One has cancelled several competitions, delayed several movie releases and menaces to crash the economy worldwide, so...

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GildedFool posted...

9/11 affected America and killed 1/3 of the people coronavirus has so far. Corona is still accelerating further away and is a global news story.

Obviously corona is bigger.

Get your head out your ass america.

Do you have like

Zero comprehension of cause and effect

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9/11 caused a war that we are still dealing with, and spending so much money on.

Coronavirus though might actually get people to learn that you aren't as independent as you think.

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Metal_DK posted...

9/11 caused a war that we are still dealing with, and spending so much money on.

Coronavirus though might actually get people to learn that you aren't as independent as you think.

Okay, you absolutely cannot pull the money argument against corona when it's basically just beginning and the whole world is in a finalcial crisis.

I'm sure 9/11 "learned" people some things too. I mean, I appreciate optimism in general, but use that to be happy you clearly haven't been affected all too much instead.

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Metal_DK posted...

9/11 caused a war that we are still dealing with, and spending so much money on.

Implying that the fallout to Corona 6-24 months (if not, earlier or already) from now won't lead to to diplomatic tensions between nations that could eventually result in war.

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9/11

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You have to be shitting me.

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paulg235 posted...

Implying that the fallout to Corona 6-24 months (if not, earlier or already) from now won't lead to to diplomatic tensions between nations that could eventually result in war.

Hence the now distinction in the topic question
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yes

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paulg235 posted...

Implying that the fallout to Corona 6-24 months (if not, earlier or already) from now won't lead to to diplomatic tensions between nations that could eventually result in war.

fair enough, it could happen

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