Board 8 > oh hell yeah ffvii is on switch (playthrough?)

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That cave had a really high random encounter rate and seemed pretty twisty/windy - was getting worried. Then my boys Tseng and Rude (and a new one, Elena) appear in a rather comic sequence. Aw yeah.

On the other side, I wander into some sort of resistance. I agree to help them out, and the dude in charge of it describes a ton of logistics (hiring soldiers, what each type of unit does, having to take out opposing leaders, etc. etc. etc.) but it turns out what he really wants is money. I wind up giving them all my money and they're still not ready to start the fight. Welp.

Then I head over to what seems to be the only other place accessible in this map, the mining town of Jinon on the northwestern shore. There's some sort of side area, and the moment I go there I see a little girl Priscilla playing with Mr. Dolphin... and then promptly beset by a gigantic mutant fish (hey Mako). It's actually a pretty tough boss but I quell it, and now it's party-time.

One thing that I've liked a lot about leaving Midgar is getting more smallfolk's views of things. Most just want peace and prosperity. Some are pro-Shinra and some are anti-Shinra for the conveniences and oppression/environmental damage they bring. Some are curious about Midgar itself. But overall, the world feels lived-in.

(Also I totally went into Tifa's room. Don't know if this grants affection points or anything.)

Currently I'm rolling with two lineups. I pair Barret with Aeris, Tifa with Red.
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Going into Tifa's room actually makes you lose affection points, especially if you find the orthopedic underwear!

Also, the Fort Condor stuff is completely optional. I never bother with it because it costs too much money. You can come back to it later when you're a bit more financially secure if you want.

Also, Cloud/Tifa/Barret for life

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oh, very important question

i got attacked by yuffie on the way to jinon. then i said we could do a rematch and she disappeared. is she going to reappear?
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SeabassDebeste posted...

oh, very important question

i got attacked by yuffie on the way to jinon. then i said we could do a rematch and she disappeared. is she going to reappear?

Shell randomly appear in a forest. You can recruit her immediately.

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Yeah, Yuffie randomly appears in forests. Once you beat her, you're given a series of choices, and you have to make the right ones to get her to join your party. If you get it wrong, she runs off and you have to run around in a forest until you find her again.

It feels like it takes me an hour to get her to appear, but everyone else seems to get her to show up quickly.

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lol god damn it

is it only that one forest? because i definitely just crossed to a new continent...
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It's literally any forest. Her chances of showing up vary by location. There's one forest where she literally has a 98% chance of showing up if you haven't gotten her by that point.

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Okay, so apparently it's minigame season. After already having resuscitated Priscilla, I now have to time a button-press so that Mr. Dolphin kicks Cloud up to the sky. There's a breathtaking shot of the airship as we start moving around and... get recruited into the Shinra corps. I utterly fail at marching for a long time before realizing that I'm not allowed to run or something. It's still not entirely clear. I do enjoy these goofy sections, though this one feels a bit long.

In a weird little alcove, I'm actually able to shop around and stuff. I discover Rude in a shady basement gambling. Everyone in Jinon appears to compete hard at selling wares. We get up close to Rufus Shinra several times. It seems clear he doesn't think as highly of Heidegger as his father did. It also appears that he is trying to lay a trap for us and Sephiroth. Well, the bait works - a hilarious dressup (Red XIII as a "sailor" absolutely slew me) means that our party infiltrates the ship to cross the river, and when we run to the basement, we find Sephiroth exploding through. (The guy seems a bit disoriented. Weird for our first real-time glimpse at him!)

A piece of the weird tentacle creature known as Jenova stays behind. When I do a scan, he's got 4000 HP, which is IIRC around how much Midgar Zolom had, and I briefly think that I'm supposed to (plot-wise) lose to her. But several limit breaks and Cure spells later, I do manage to edge by her. (BTW, am I the only one who hoards MP other than Cure and mostly uses them during big battles/when it's to the rock/paper/scissors advantage? Cloud's Ice or Bolt does more damage than his Attack, but it's by like 25-30%, so I wind up using Attack most. In any case, Cloud's mainly casting Quake here, since I superstitiously believe it stronger than Ice. Party here was Red XIII/Tifa.

We wind up in a beach town with a thriving tourism industry and run into Hojo, who is still interested in science but seems placated in exile with a bunch of bikinied women instead. Lots of talk around the town about the Golden Saucer playground, so we take a mountain pass via a scary section. Here, I go with Barret/Aeris and man, the enemies here seem to provide a lot of experience - by the time I get through the passes, they've grown three or for levels. My Ice, Lightning, and Restore materias level up so now I can use Ice2, Bolt2, and Cure2, though as stated above, that will likely be reserved for boss battles mainly. (I also don't steal the "treasure" of two little chicks. Wonder what the "reward" for that is, or if there even is one.)

The mountain pass leads through to the Golden Saucer area, but the town around it is decrepit. Apparently there was some major incident, and Barret of all people was to blame. I head outside to save and swap to the Aeris/Red XIII pairing again. They're a little underleveled (and with all the materia, are now underhealthed as well) but I think we'll be okay. I'm pairing Tifa's Restore materia with All. Very excited about being able to cure everyone on demand for now.
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You should be using Enemy Skills liberally and seeking to learn new ones

Great materia

but yeah don't be afraid to use magic when the situation calls for it

the reward for stealing the treasure is 10 Phoenix Downs or something like that, but you get a nice affection point boost for whoever's in your party at the time if you leave it alone

and yeah you should always have a Restore paired with All

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LeonhartFour posted...

You should be using Enemy Skills liberally and seeking to learn new ones

is this one i can buy

i always blow my cash on armor and never have enough for materia. earth is the only one i've bought since restore i think. maybe the "heal" but it seems to suck
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you should've found at least one by now

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rip me :(
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well there are four total throughout the game and I'm pretty sure only one of them is permanently missable

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welp died to a random encounter and lost a lot of progress lll
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SeabassDebeste posted...

welp died to a random encounter and lost a lot of progress lll

Mine froze after I spent an hour on 3x grinding everyone's limit breaks.


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SeabassDebeste posted...

is this one i can buy

i always blow my cash on armor and never have enough for materia. earth is the only one i've bought since restore i think. maybe the "heal" but it seems to suck

Heal is so-so. After you level it up once you can use Esuna but until then it's just Poisona which only cures poison.

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Always save often

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I'm gonna pass this advice, there is a point where you get a submarine

there is a horrible magic pixel (polygon?) at the Junon docks where the sub will get stuck and you can never undock it again.

of all of the years of playing FFVII, I barely discovered this during my PS4 playthrough

AND apparently its known. I asked about it on the FFVII boards

you can possibly miss out on an important key item that you need to progress in the game if you do this immediately

you also miss out on the Gelinka, some huge materia, and one of the fights with the weapons too

I got so desperate that I was pressing all kinds of buttons and shit trying to get it out, I even recorded it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2aLIWvYEBM

EVEN MORE desperate, I discovered a bunch of weird glitches trying to undock it, LIKE MAKING MY CHOCOBO CARRY THE SUB
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nyJigP2oUo0


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Into the Golden Saucer we go, and we discover that Barret's backstory on guilt is more survivor's guilt than anything active. Fine, whatever.

We're immediately price-gouged at the theme park; they want 3000 gil to enter immediately, which we're able to cough up. But we have zero GP so we're basically unable to attend any attraction. Cait Sith winds up joining our party - I actually really like his character design, though Manipulate seems kind of like a weird ability. After popping through a few of the doors, I wind up finding a trail of bodies riddled with bullet-holes and getting tossed into a desert prison.

The desert prison has Barret explain that the other dude with the gun-arm is Dyne. He also (shockingly) turns out to be the "boss" here, and after a beautiful walk through the desert (about four separate monotonous, walk-sideways screens) we run into the man himself. Barret beats him in a duel, and we learn the truth of Marlene's parentage. (Like in Apollo Justice with Trucy's age, no one commented on Marlene being white.) Feels bad about the broken man.

While Barret's story isn't exactly thrilling, Dyne's breaking down is a good encapsulation of the way Shinra seems to have broken down every town around. After an insanely unnotable Chocobo race (the second Automatic go just wins), we cruise south to another blighted town, this one devastated by a meltdown of a reactor core. An old woman and his daughter-in-law mourn a loss; two people ask about another SOLDIER recruit, Zack. Tifa is shaken, but she clams up. Cloud prods a little, gently - it's great how far

Before that, we see a hilarious conversation between Reno and Rude, where they gossip about which of the girls in Cloud's party they like. (Reno x Tifa OTP.) We also battle; targeting Reno exclusively works out pretty well, since he runs off and then I need to do nothing whatsoever to Rude. Eagerly awaiting further development in their love polygon.

We don't engage with Tseng and Scarlet, a weapons dev for Shinra, who appear at the Gagonga reactor's ruins. There seems to be... little point in coming to this place at all? No one actually tells me explicitly what to do next, but I eventually decide that I probably want to move on. Another river-crossing has me near some city, where the hovercraft breaks down. Seems a decent point to save for now.

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* In case anyone is interested in what killed me/what progress I lost: I lost the entire time in the desert, the battle with Dyne, and the Chocobo race. I died because three of these dinosaur things on the world map (facepalm) Petrified everyone. WHOOPS.

* Titan materia, DAMN.

* Can't help feeling like I missed something at Gongaga... but I can't go there for a while now.
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TheRock1525 posted...

Mine froze after I spent an hour on 3x grinding everyone's limit breaks.

my game has randomly died twice.

Punnyz posted...

there is a horrible magic pixel (polygon?) at the Junon docks where the sub will get stuck and you can never undock it again.

i took a reset after i got stuck behind zack's mom (lol) and wound up doing some replay too
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SeabassDebeste posted...

though Manipulate seems kind of like a weird ability.

it's useful for learning Enemy Skills because you can't get enemies to use healing/support skills on you without it

SeabassDebeste posted...

* Can't help feeling like I missed something at Gongaga... but I can't go there for a while now.

nah as long as you found the Titan materia you got all there is to find in Gongaga

you don't actually have to go there, it's totally optional

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LeonhartFour posted...

it's useful for learning Enemy Skills because you can't get enemies to use healing/support skills on you without it

nah as long as you found the Titan materia you got all there is to find in Gongaga

you don't actually have to go there, it's totally optional

Don't you get Aerith's final limit break from Gongaga?

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TheRock1525 posted...

Don't you get Aerith's final limit break from Gongaga?

No, you get it from the blacksmith's shack, but it's pretty close to Gongaga.

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Relatively short update - have discovered Red XIII's hometown! (I do now remember his saying this would be his final destination.) Nanaki leaves almost immediately, which is unfortunate since I've just loaded him with good materia, but that's a good hint that he will be coming back.

The music in Cosmo Canyon is fantastic, one of my favorite tunes I have . We explore it and it seems like one of the nicest places there is - intellectual, beautiful, soaring in heights. (Walking up and down the mountain is fun, just to see its different tiers from the outside.) Red XIII turns out to be 48, which translates to around 16 in his species, and he (like so many others!) has daddy issues.

At the top of the canyon, we assemble a party to view an explanation of Lifestream, and how by mining for materia, the planet is very literally doomed. Grim, but a good way to make the abstract stakes more concrete. It's also a pretty dope museum exhibit; would totally go to a museum to see that 360 IMAX presentation IRL.

I like this campfire scene a lot. Aeris is wondering about the role of the Ceta and how her being one of them is supposed to manifest in her powers - which she doesn't really feel like she has. Barret muses how he had promised Biggs/Wedge/Jessie to take them to Cosmo Canyon. Great idea; I'd love for my boss to take me to this area. While Red XIII is positioned at the middle, he won't talk until you've heard everyone else's musings, which is a great touch.

After naptime, we re-form a party (Red XIII/Tifa) and prepare to head up again. People suggest it's dangerous, so I'm saving, and that's it for the moment.

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* A Turtle Paradise poster! We last saw this on that 5 gil kid's wall.

* Nanaki being last of his kind... :(

* Bugenhagen floating amuses him.

* Also forgot that Cait Sith dropped a hint when I was over with Reno and Rude that he might be the mole. IIRC from my run way back, he is the mole, though this point is never treated with any weight. To be seen I guess.
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Just be warned, the upcoming dungeon is considered one of the worst ones in the game.

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slipped on some mud, got some materia

unsure how to progress
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yeah this dungeon sucks

hope you have an X-Potion handy

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That dungeon is an ugly one, but fortunately not as bad as advertised other than that one segment where I literally couldn't cross back to society. Lots of guys that cast death, lots of five-snakes-at-once appearances, and lots of hideous giant spiders, though. The boss is tough and provides me with a fun excuse to use all my MP on my summons - Ifrit, Chocobo, Shiva, and Titan all go to town, along with massive limit breaks. (Poor Red XIII is actually the weakest, especially his Limit Break...) It's a bold move to put a relatively tough boss at the end of such a long dungeon with no save point. I could imagine myself being super-pissed if I'd died and had to go through all that again.

These are apparently the ghosts of warriors past, including Nanaki's father Seto. Coming to grips with his parentage is a nice Nanaki moment before it's time to go back to our main quest.

The next place we hit is Cloud's hometown, Nibelheim, where... people all act like Cloud's memory is all a lie. Tifa is able to corroborate when I bring her to the Inn (had otherwise planned on Cait Sith/Aeris), though she disappointingly doesn't react to her own house. The town seems to be plagued with hooded cultists who worship Sephiroth and anticipate the "reunion." One of them hints that Sephiroth is in the mansion, so we pay it a visit and... wait, he is there. He doesn't murder us but instead tells us that he's headed north of Nibelheim, so we poke around and find records of two escapees - an ex-SOLDIER (who was shot) and someone else still at large.

The ex-SOLDIER... has to be Sephiroth, I think. He was stated to be dead. No idea about the second at the moment. Also not entirely sure who they were escaping from. Anyway, loading up with Cait Sith and Aeris and headed north now into the mountains.

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* Our two encounters with Sephiroth in person have actually been kinda harmless so far. He just sees us and then runs off. It's the stuff he's done off-screen/in the past that has been most bloody and intimidating.

* Thinking over what I would've done if I'd died to that boss - I think I might have gone through the dungeon with random encounters turned off. No interest in re-fighting all the trash just to heal back up at the end, ya dig? I'm already liberally using the 3x speed when I'm backtracking or when I'm fighting enemies where I'll essentially just mash A. (Aeris rejoining my party, esp in the back row, will slow this roll a bit...)

* I haven't seen "This guy are sick" or "Let's mosey," which makes me paranoid that I've missed them somehow. I saw both last time!
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SeabassDebeste posted...

The boss is tough

And dies instantly to an X-Potion since it's undead lawl

SeabassDebeste posted...

He doesn't murder us but instead tells us that he's headed north of Nibelheim, so we poke around and find records of two escapees - an ex-SOLDIER (who was shot) and someone else still at large.

The ex-SOLDIER... has to be Sephiroth, I think. He was stated to be dead. No idea about the second at the moment. Also not entirely sure who they were escaping from. Anyway, loading up with Cait Sith and Aeris and headed north now into the mountains.

yeah the game will answer this later

I can point out when the answer is available because it's actually an optional missable scene

also you can get Vincent now so you might want to do that before you leave Nibelheim

SeabassDebeste posted...

* I haven't seen "This guy are sick" or "Let's mosey," which makes me paranoid that I've missed them somehow. I saw both last time!

you did miss "This guy are sick"

that happens in the Sector 5 slums if you try to go into a tunnel where a clearly sick person is being kept

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also did you get Yuffie yet?

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LeonhartFour posted...

And dies instantly to an X-Potion since it's undead lawl

oh wow, and the game actually provides in the room right before it!

LeonhartFour posted...

you did miss "This guy are sick"

that happens in the Sector 5 slums if you try to go into a tunnel where a clearly sick person is being kept

oops. :(

LeonhartFour posted...

yeah the game will answer this later

I can point out when the answer is available because it's actually an optional missable scene

also you can get Vincent now so you might want to do that before you leave Nibelheim

yeah, do so, i do want to find out

how do i get vincent again? i def used a guide last time i did it

no to yuffie, maybe it's time to wander some forests
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Well, if you wait until you get out of the mountains, the forest I mentioned with the 98% chance of her showing up is right after you get past that part.

And yeah, I would definitely look up a guide to find out how to get Vincent. You have to unlock the safe in the Shinra Mansion, and the clues to the combination are scattered in hidden places around it. I can just give you the combo if you want it.

In case you want it: Right 36, Left 10, Right 59, Right 97.

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I'll try for 15 minutes to see if I can figure out a single clue tonight. If I can't, I'll read it!
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i was able to get vincent. it took me way too long to realize i had to get the key from the unlocked safe...

dude is a badass. i love shooting using him - very reno-ish (which makes sense) and i'm also reminded of the awesome rufus shinra. the info about lucrecia is interesting. did cloud imply that sephiroth is only five years old, though?

that actually wound up being all i played. this excursion caused cloud to level up 5-6 levels from 28 or 29 to 34. i'm gonna roll with barret (29) and vincent (33) in tow.

will save yuffie til she's a sure thing.
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SeabassDebeste posted...

did cloud imply that sephiroth is only five years old, though?

a lot of stuff about Sephiroth's origins are pretty poorly translated in FFVII

I can explain more about it when it's appropriate

also just FYI I'd switch out Vincent before you fight the boss in Mt. Nibel

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LeonhartFour posted...

also just FYI I'd switch out Vincent before you fight the boss in Mt. Nibel

i'll swap him out at the next save point!

there is a save point in nibel, right?
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SeabassDebeste posted...

i'll swap him out at the next save point!

there is a save point in nibel, right?

Right before the boss, IIRC.

Or just don't use his limit break. That's the punchline, after all.

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Yep, save point right before the boss: https://lparchive.org/Final-Fantasy-VII/Update%2040/34-E40_031.jpg

Just don't get too close to the giant scorpion, and you should be fine.

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Thenenen posted...

Right before the boss, IIRC.

Or just don't use his limit break. That's the punchline, after all.

Well, it makes things more difficult when a full Limit gauge takes away your regular attack option!

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just to be clear, it's cool if i use his limit break up until the boss, right?
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Yeah, it's just that Vincent's Limit Break transforms him into a monster that you lose control of, and it has a fire attack, which heals the boss since it absorbs fire.

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welp i dropped down a chute immediately and overwrote my save

looks like i can't go back now to visit the other chutes full of goodies
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LeonhartFour posted...

Yeah, it's just that Vincent's Limit Break transforms him into a monster that you lose control of, and it has a fire attack, which heals the boss since it absorbs fire.

I completely forgot about this when I fought it like a moron.

I also learned something I never knew: heading into Mt Corel there's a bird's next on the railroad tracks where you can get 10 Phoenix Downs if you fight the mother.

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TheRock1525 posted...

I completely forgot about this when I fought it like a moron.

I also learned something I never knew: heading into Mt Corel there's a bird's next on the railroad tracks where you can get 10 Phoenix Downs if you fight the mother.

yeah he mentioned that before

the affection point boost is worth more than the 10 Phoenix Downs!

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yeah i can count on one hand the number of phoenix downs i've used this game

i've saved in the middle of mt nibel. there are lots of paths and i kinda want to explore each of them. i killed the scorpion and have swapped so i'm now running red xiii/barret. cait sith is probably next on the rotation.

have accessed the world map on the other side of mt nibel and decided against it. then i discovered that reactor in the heart of the mountain, but took the cave behind it and wound up back in that tumble-down-pipes room. i immediately tumbled down and missed all the treasure again...

saved there for now
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A bit to report!

So, I guess due to the significance imbued on the last Mt. Nibel trip, I was expecting something that... uh, didn't happen. I circle it a few more times and walk into the reactor only to realize that there's no plot-significant event there. At least I get reps on Barret and Red XIII, I guess. (BTW, did I mention that Red XIII has some uber-weapon attached that makes his attacks as powerful as Cloud's despite being like 5 levels behind?)

I spend a few minutes in the next forest apprehending Yuffie. This time I want to catch her for real and not screw up, so I save after defeating her and ... oh hey, touching the savepoint makes her disappear. DAMMIT. She appears about every third battle, and the next time I get all the way down to asking her name before she splits again. Finally, a third attempt succeeds. Genki Girl characters like Yuffie can be super-annoying, but when they're executed well (and man, that line is fine) they're consistently strong for me. Yuffie so far is hitting positive notes.

We roll up to the next town, and it clearly does progress the plot - it's a rocket launch pad area. People in it aren't that destitute, but they're generally bummed and bored since they all moved there to work on the aborted project. Shera shows us a Tiny Bronco but forbids us to ride in it. We climb the leaning rocket to find Cid, who's got a boring character design/backstory (though shera's "Dedication" is hilarious) but an awesome spear and a speech pattern that's amusing, if grating. His theme song is also hella good, though we only hear it briefly.

After some extremely rudely ordered tea, Rufus Shinra drops by, along with ex-Shinra-space-dude Palmer, who prefers his tea with lard. When it turns out that Shinra is being an even bigger bunch of jerks, demanding the Tiny Bronco, we instead hijack it, defeating Palmer (lots of HP, not a lot of bite on his attacks) along the way. It's a pretty comical escape, especially when Cid decides to join with an "eh, why not." (We're also able to revisit the rocket launch pad town right after, where amusingly nothing has changed.)

We (Cloud/Cid/Yuffie) explore a little bit down the river and find a bridge, where suddenly Yuffie abandons us to two Shinra soldiers. We dispatch them easily, but ... she's gone. With our materia. I have no idea where to head, wandering everywhere and actually using healing items since I can't lean on Restore materia.

I wind up in a Chinese-themed town called Wutai, where I do find Yuffie. I don't even bother exploring, I'm so caught up in finishing this silly sidequest, where we find that her dad Godo is a pretty Big Deal there, but that he's got his tail between his legs after losing a battle to Shinra. We actually encounter Yuffie there, but she runs off again, and all our explorations - including up a many-faced-Buddha-mountain yield nothing. She does briefly appear when we open a treasure chest with one materia in it... specifically to steal it and disappear again.

Will probably scale the mountain a second time when I resume. Dunno what else to do. Can't go up the tower without Yuffie.

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* There are a lot of areas where the directions on the joystick align wrong, and it annoys the hell out of me! This was the absolute worst in the Chocobo farm, but it ain't great here either...!

* All these summons just look phenomenal in any era. Just used Odin for the first time.

* Turks drinking aw yeah.
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The boss in Wutai is tough with no materia. I'd recommend bringing Barret and using Mind Blow to drain its MP.

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Tag

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Wutai has my head spinning. I search round and round (including multiple trips up Mt. Dachao) before finding her in the house with the old grandpa and the young kid behind a screen. She runs and we next find her in a pot outside the bar. Cloud and co hilariously seal off her exits, but as soldiers and troops move in, she tricks us into pulling a lever.

It seems like an obvious trap, so instead of pulling the left lever, I pull the right. That's a trap. Yuffie bolts and I unpull the lever... and find out both levers are traps. "Oops."

The following search is the most agonizing yet, probably. Trips into every house (again), back up Mt Dachao and attempted into the tower, and I'm losing it until I finally randomly ring a gong. A door opens and it's... Don Corneo??? And he's got both Elena and Yuffie. We give chase, but wind up attacking Shinra soldiers instead. They're easily dispatched, but they stall our chase.

Reno and Rude offer "not help," telling us to go to the "most obvious" place, which isn't obvious at all, though we manage to bumble our way FINALLY up the mountain. For some reason we STILL can't cross the lava, but finally we find Don Corneo, who serves us up an aerial boss.

Barret was default-in-my-party, since he was the dude who showed up after Yuffie left. Presumably Cloud and Cid can't hit it, so I just rely on those random "cast X spell" items, X Potions, and limit breaks to outlast it. (Barret's Mindblow did come in handy.) Reno and Rude provide the final blow to the horny Don. I love the Turks' attitude toward work-life balance. #goals

Yuffie protests that she could've won the the fight (demonstrating it physically) and then gives us a mess of materia back. We're about to leave before I remember the tower, so I head back (with Yuffie) and she gets her ass kicked on floor 1. I retry and win floor 1, but it's really by the skin of my teeth, so I don't push further for now.

Rolling with Tifa and Cait Sith to wherever is next.

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* "Listen, Yuffie. I don't care about the history of Wutai or your feelings." For some reason the "listen, Yuffie" gets me, put before the "I don't care" part.

* Mt Dachao has to become passable at some point, right?
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SeabassDebeste posted...

Rolling with Tifa and Cait Sith to wherever is next.

Now this'll be interesting. I hope you don't remember the next step from your last run... I wonder how a blind player handles that part, I remember some real global wandering on my part, though that was 22 years ago...

Also Yuffie would've messed up your materia order when she gave it to you but sounds like you switched characters anyways so that prob sorted it out (though Cloud's might be messed still)