Board 8 > Ace Attorney Trilogy Topic 4- It's Detective Gumshoe, Pal

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Alive
1. Han
2. Chris
3. Scare
4. MZero
5. Sultan
6. Lea
7. Red
8. Puns
9. 5tar
10. Sbell
11. IGCD
12. greengravy
13. Corrik
14. Ulti
15. Lolo

Dead
1. Death - LD1 (Manfred von Karma, SCUM Roleblocker)
2. Crescent - KN1 (Turner Grey, TOWN Doctor)
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Tag

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Eh, I'm going to sleep.

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Thrilling chat

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I dont really see why Scare is so fixated on Sultan. Like Sultan has looked I didnt tell better than he did last game. His style has been a bit all over but his angle and approach has been pretty consistent. My main issue with him last game was that he jumped away from any resistance on his thoughts. This time he isnt doing anything like that.

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Im pretty sure either Corrik or Mzero are lying. What are the chances that we have 3 town trackers?
I guess I can buy puns tracking SBell because he was the only one making any defense of death (death included) though maybe you could argue there were better options.
I can maybe even buy Corrik as a second tracker following Han because of Hans reluctance to end early. Maybe, his defense of puns makes me more willing to believe him but his if I out town power then so fuck its his fault for not kissing my ass is ludicrous.
This brings me to MZero whos argument is basically same. Its lazy and unnecessary, mzero is notoriously low activity and I feel like he could be simply tying himself to Corrik as an easy out. Seems the least plausible of all the scanner claims. Especially when it seems pointless to even bother claiming it.
Are there a lot of untrackable roles for both alignment?

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Neither I nor Corrik claimed tracker, or even investigative

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Morning.

Did anything come out of the late night chats?

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The more scare posted last night the worse i felt about him. Im not saying this as a counter to him coming after me but more so he is doing it in a manner to create a possible miss lynch it seems. Scare tried this a couple games ago a d got caught as scum. Im still not super sold on his not going after han after making such a big deal about how han cant be trusted and resorted to oh well maybe he is just 3rd party then seems like maybe he was going to bus han but then decided to stray away from that? Could be wrong but its a good reason not to go after someone right away if you think they might be 3rd party but that sorta came out of the blue and was hard to even really find beacuse he was so Han is bad han is bad then was like oh wait maybe he is just 3rd party. Then he decided to go back to sheeping chris again reminding me of his play form i think it was eff 2019.

His attack on me is that my vote on death felt "bussy"

He failed to mention that i said death seemed like a good option and i was going to get back to it when i was less busy BUT DAY ENDED BEACUSE HIS HAMMER before i got the chance to come back and exsplain so he uses that as saying oh he would have took his vote off... no no i wouldnt have scare good try.

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In conclusion i still think it is more the possible that scare and han are linked

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##vote:Han

for now. After doing that iso on han yesterday i feel like han is a good option.

Though with so many trackers claimed it will be worth going back to look at them a bit later and try amd sort that out. Mzero might be the hardest to look at considering their is so little to go on

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Ah fuck I posted nonsense last night

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MZero11 posted...

Neither I nor Corrik claimed tracker, or even investigative

I thought you claimed to have followed or watched or tracked or whatever the correct term is. It seems to change from one game to the next.

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

Mzero might be the hardest to look at considering their is so little to go on

I agree so instead of letting him skirt by why dont we try and create some instead of just going mzero *shrug*

Zero do you feel like Han is lying about being untargetable.


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What? I didnt say that your vote on death looked like a bus
I argued the opposite that if you're scum you would have probably ended up moving the vote but the day ended early

And you STILL didng read that my comments on Han were a FLAVOR BREAD CRUMB which has been stated multiple times

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Sultan is just straight up talking out of his ass. Its insultaning and I expect better by now

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Fastbreak posted...

Sultan is just straight up talking out of his ass. Its insultaning and I expect better by now

Haha I hope this was deliberate

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5tarscream posted...

I thought you claimed to have followed or watched or tracked or whatever the correct term is. It seems to change from one game to the next.

I agree so instead of letting him skirt by why dont we try and create some instead of just going mzero *shrug*

Zero do you feel like Han is lying about being untargetable.

I believe Corrik said targeted, as did I. I don't feel like it's beneficial or wise to claim my role at the moment

Yes, I think Han is lying. I mean, I got an action failed message and that's why I voted him to start the day. Then I saw someone else claim to have targeted him with the same result, so the confirmation bias is real.

Then we have the issue of red, but even if he did something to stop me that doesn't explain Corrik's result. It's possible my action double failed lol

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Also Han said I was "clearly lying" and yet no vote

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I wasnt asking for you to reveal your power. I was asking about what you think the result meant for Han. You say you got a action failed result back and thats why you voted Han but that suggests that you didnt even entertain the possibility that he could be town power like Corrik did. Like Corrik looked bad to me for his willingness to claim power himself and at the same time potentially out Han as town power cos he was mad. You look even worse for doing the same thing but with way less thought process than Corrik showed.
Like Corrik was like ok my action failed maybe a, b, c was the cause. You went my action failed must be a.

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##vote: mzero

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Ok so my mental health is at a real low, but I'll try to play it out. My job sent me home because I literally....ugh, yeah, I look like I'm half dead.

This community is my friends so I'm sorry for bringing it up, but my parents are out of town and I dont know who to talk to. Just venting.

I haven't really read for 12 hours so...I'll read at some point but I was out of my mind last night.

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I don't like the Mzero vote tbh. I think Mzero has nothing to gain by outing himself as a power role against Han when he did. It's just a disagreement on mentality.

Puns is still scum btw. As the guy who nailed the mafia roleblocker, I ask you allow me a heat check.

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greengravy294 posted...

Ok so my mental health is at a real low, but I'll try to play it out. My job sent me home because I literally....ugh, yeah, I look like I'm half dead.

This community is my friends so I'm sorry for bringing it up, but my parents are out of town and I dont know who to talk to. Just venting.

I haven't really read for 12 hours so...I'll read at some point but I was out of my mind last night.

Just vote Puns and get some rest.

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I fucked up. I hit the notification for the last topic and didn't finish reading everything now I cant remember where I was. What page was Red's reveal on? That is the last thing I concretely remember reading.

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Nevermind, I responded to that I'll just hit last post by me.

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Two people are claiming blocked with a dead scum RB.

Theres confirmed liars here. Things are not adding up.

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Thats kind of my point though I feel like there is no point to the play as town in my mind. Like I dont get why he didnt question Han thoroughly or even Corrik to see if maybe Corrik was lying. He just blindly accepted that they both made identical plays and the only solution is Han is scum.

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The thing to remember 5tar is you don't always need a point as town to make a play. However you have to ask what's the point as scum? There are naturally a limited number of town power roles so for him to go out of his way to be aggressive against Han with their roleblocker dead... I don't see why he would ever feel the need to step into the middle of a fight?

You have to keep in mind Mzero and Corrik are very different players.

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3 claims regarding RB, and a RB is dead

Almost home.

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Ulti deliberately stated crescent wasnt blocked either or whatever he said.

It doesnt add up

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Ulti feeding us info like crescent doc saved Chris and wasn't blocked is so unnecessary and meaningless.

I'd be down with a puns lynch Chris.

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yes, but he's still remarking *about* a block


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like..okay, two people are independently saying "i was roleblocked" when there's a dead scum blocker

and ulti saying "no roleblock happened" which is unnecessary and useless but adding it into a caveat....it tells me theres a town rb

like what, how many have claimed? was it 6 people? AND there's a town roleblocker too that's been exposed?

??


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5tarscream posted...

I wasnt asking for you to reveal your power. I was asking about what you think the result meant for Han. You say you got a action failed result back and thats why you voted Han but that suggests that you didnt even entertain the possibility that he could be town power like Corrik did. Like Corrik looked bad to me for his willingness to claim power himself and at the same time potentially out Han as town power cos he was mad. You look even worse for doing the same thing but with way less thought process than Corrik showed.
Like Corrik was like ok my action failed maybe a, b, c was the cause. You went my action failed must be a.

Um if I thought it "must be a" I would have revealed my result. Obviously I didn't think it was damning by itself. I was reading him scum anyway, and by voting him I was hoping to geta stronger read and maybe even a claim, at which point my info is a lot more useful. He claimed not untargetable, which is the only reason I revealed my result

Your attack makes no sense here man

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UltimaterializerX posted...

Oh, and you can add that Crescent doc saved Chris last night and was not roleblocked.

he said, directly, there was no roleblock

two players are saying they were roleblocked

there's liars here. hello?

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like fuck, i cant be the only person thats concerned about the consistencies


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Gravy, Ulti was just saying Crescent was not blocked last night.

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MZero11 posted...

Um if I thought it "must be a" I would have revealed my result. Obviously I didn't think it was damning by itself. I was reading him scum anyway, and by voting him I was hoping to geta stronger read and maybe even a claim, at which point my info is a lot more useful. He claimed not untargetable, which is the only reason I revealed my result

Your attack makes no sense here man

Mzero is very much correct.


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5tarscream posted...

Thats kind of my point though I feel like there is no point to the play as town in my mind. Like I dont get why he didnt question Han thoroughly or even Corrik to see if maybe Corrik was lying. He just blindly accepted that they both made identical plays and the only solution is Han is scum.

First of all, you should know I don't have a lot of time to go back and forth with Han due to time zones. He mostly ignored my initial vote too.

Secondly, what was I going to question him about that would be related at all to my action failing? He already claimed it's not his role, what else am I waiting for at that point?

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and this roleblocker debacle is incredibly important. people should be talking about this. this is fucking important. actual irrefutable inconsistencies with claimed power is super, super, important

think about it.

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DoomTheGyarados posted...

Gravy, Ulti was just saying Crescent was not blocked last night.

yes which means he's saying there's a roleblocker out there!

death was dead day 1, he couldnt have roleblocked.

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like read into what he's implying.

i do not trust any word of these three players. im super confused.

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like break it all down chris. there's an inconsistency. someone HAS to be deliberately lying out of Corrik, MZero and Ulti. otherwise things do not add up.

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My action failed, I wasn't roleblocked. I mean, unless HB doesn't differentiate between the two

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MZero11 posted...

My action failed, I wasn't roleblocked. I mean, unless HB doesn't differentiate between the two

That's claiming being roleblocked.

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Your action failing is directly related to who you target.

You being roleblocked is an action taken on you.

There must be a line between the two.

Han says he's not untargetable. That leaves room for the possibility that sometimes he's not untargetable. So Han is probably commuter and we now know he peaced out last night so Han likely going to die tonight.

Very possible both mzero and Corrik targeted Han night 1. Question is why and with what.

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Also Ulti said he could confirm Crescent's action and result with 100% accuracy. First of all, that means he would know if she wasn't blocked. Second of all, he's probably full of stuff. Third of all, he's probably scum anyway

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Like okay, mzero, I will just make up a hypothetical situation. i have ran untargetable before, or something. my memory is shit. i think it was infinity series mafia...?

You have a scum untargetable. this means they are a super godfather. They cannot be looked into, <i>ever</I>. Say 5 people target him, and a roleblock happens as well. Are you saying the Super Godfather can be outed by the one person actually being roleblocked being like "oh my message is different lol".

I went into this logic last night. It's an insane waste of time. >_>

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like if im wrong id eat my shoe, but the message is just like so irrelevant


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I got an failed action message targeting Spiral with my Lightning Rod in fuck 2016 mafia and he was scum. I don't remember his exact role though

I think it happened in Dances with Dragons too when I targeted dowolf woth my role scan and somehow got lynched for it (he was also scum but it was some weird faction power)

The point every time I've gotten an action failed message it was because I targeted scum

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