Board 8 > Ace Attorney Trilogy Topic 4- It's Detective Gumshoe, Pal

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Bossman_Coolguy posted...

Like okay, mzero, I will just make up a hypothetical situation. i have ran untargetable before, or something. my memory is shit. i think it was infinity series mafia...?

You have a scum untargetable. this means they are a super godfather. They cannot be looked into, <i>ever</I>. Say 5 people target him, and a roleblock happens as well. Are you saying the Super Godfather can be outed by the one person actually being roleblocked being like "oh my message is different lol".

I went into this logic last night. It's an insane waste of time. >_>

Gravy under that situation I'd say yes.

If 5 people target untargetable and 1 is roleblocked. There will be 4 failed messages and 1 rb message.

But what do I know.

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Upon further review I was roleblocked in DWD mafia when I targeted dowolf

F2016 was indeed a failed action message though!

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*Puts on host hat*

Your roleblock and untarget hit message should be the same as host

*takes host hat off*

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Listen if you aren't going to take my word for it, take Chris' word for it. Untargetable players (commuter/UT/etc? is there an etc?) do not get exposed by Word of God, aka role interactions.

The only way you get a differing message is like what MZero said...maybe? I don't remember the game. I don't remember shit in general. This is just dumb.

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Anyway.

You literally have a contradiction here. Let's figure this out. Ulti is saying there's a roleblocker still alive. They can't roleblock both Corrik and MZero.

Unless Ulti is lying, and there is no roleblocker. Then you have two players...that were somehow roleblocked? Huh?

It's a Gordian knot.

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Ok then my logic is just wrong.

With that said.

Lynchung Ulti ya?

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I just looked up Spiral's role, and he Ninja Roleblocker, and was immune to redirects after the second mislynch. So I guess he wasn't untargetable, just unredirectable

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OR there is one roleblocker, and one player is lying out of corrik or mzero


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Bossman_Coolguy posted...

Anyway.

You literally have a contradiction here. Let's figure this out. Ulti is saying there's a roleblocker still alive. They can't roleblock both Corrik and MZero.

Unless Ulti is lying, and there is no roleblocker. Then you have two players...that were somehow roleblocked? Huh?

It's a Gordian knot.

You are forgetting both mzero and Corrik targeted the same person so Han must be in your equation.

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Like I could see geting a roleblocked message targetting an untargetable

But getting an action failed message from a roleblock seems weird

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Also I would take anything Ulti says with a boulder of salt. It's wifom at best and pure bull honkey at worst

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Obellisk posted...

You are forgetting both mzero and Corrik targeted the same person so Han must be in your equation.

I don't think Han lied about not being untargetable. Like fairly sure. It's pretty easy to prove too!

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If we are to simply disregard everything Ulti said, then why not simply disregard everything Corrik has said? Corrik's a notorious liar and changes his claims all the time.

Thing is, there is partial collaboration here that we ***have*** to take in account everything everyone said. So there are no takesies backsies. So we can't just conveniently disregard Ulti.

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Like tell me why I should trust you Mzero after you said I shouldn't believe Ulti. He gave incomplete info (but you can infer into it; I did at least). Corrik gave incomplete info. And you did too. I don't understand why you are so inflexible. Your theory is wrong. <_<

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Mzero you are wrong.

Please accept this.

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Because Ulti claimed to know Crescent's action and result, be 100% confirmable, that scum killing him would be a terrible idea, and basically everything short of claiming Town Jesus

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Oh my god guys Ulti is town vanilla just trying to draw a night kill despite being super low effort because he's lost his will to play mafia.

Now let's murder puns

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DoomTheGyarados posted...

Mzero you are wrong.

Please accept this.

What part am I wrong about? I'm willingly to budge on the roleblocked vs action failed thing but I refuse to take Ulti seriously

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MZero11 posted...

What part am I wrong about? I'm willingly to budge on the roleblocked vs action failed thing but I refuse to take Ulti seriously

First, latter doesn't matter much

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and that he said she was not roleblocked.

ulti is many things. so is corrik. they will say whatever, whenever. but i have to take in account what he said and parse that information because it directly involves FOUR other players in this game (mystery roleblocker, han, corrik, mzero).

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The more I see gravy post the more I want to murder puns

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why do you not care about an inconsistency?

if ulti is just vanilla, and isn't implying there's a roleblocker, why are two people saying they were both blocked?

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Bossman_Coolguy posted...

and that he said she was not roleblocked.

ulti is many things. so is corrik. they will say whatever, whenever. but i have to take in account what he said and parse that information because it directly involves FOUR other players in this game (mystery roleblocker, han, corrik, mzero).

I mean, red already claimed to know why my action failed but not why Corrik's failed, so if there is a mysterious roleblocker it's probably red. The question is, is Corrik lying or is Han lying? I think it's Han

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i must have missed what red said. let me take a gander

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..ah shit, i see it now

lol

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yeah alright if red and mzero are linked and can prove it, then corrik is absolutely confirmed scum


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Bossman_Coolguy posted...

why do you not care about an inconsistency?

if ulti is just vanilla, and isn't implying there's a roleblocker, why are two people saying they were both blocked?

Well, Ulti only brought that up after Corrik already claimed his failed action anyway >_>

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just gotta let the provables sort themselves out, scum is forced to resolve it for us too

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MZero11 posted...

Well, Ulti only brought that up after Corrik already claimed his failed action anyway >_>

Right. But it turns out what he said was right.

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Ha ha ha, Corrik claiming that my vote on death is within my range as scum... He's not wrong.

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##unvote


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i made a cool flowchart of claimed actions

puns --------> sbell <-------- no one

mzero / corrik --------> han

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red chris

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ulti (maybe?)

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okay that didnt work



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The number or power claims has me so confused. Im willing to listen to reason if everyone thinks Im wrong about mzero. I still feel like either Corrik or mzero are lying.
Are there any town untargetable roles?

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commuter.

red says he can prove mzero, so a commuter/ut isn't what happened

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basically mzero counterclaimed corrik in a sense, since theres 2 claimed roleblocks and....one person who could.

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Ok. So it seems Corrik is most likely the liar here?
mzero can you tell me why you think Han is lying and Corrik isnt?

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For the record 0% chance I let you guys try to sort out this claimed power mess day 2.

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im fairly certain im right

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You can be right but we're lynching Puns today

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corrik is 100% confirmed scum...

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5tarscream posted...

Ok. So it seems Corrik is most likely the liar here?
mzero can you tell me why you think Han is lying and Corrik isnt?

Well first of all, Corrik literally claimed the exact same thing that happened to me, so that helps. Like if Corrik said he lent Han money and he didn't pay back, and Han claimed he never borrowed money from Corrik, and I also lent money to Han and never got paid back, I would be more inclined to believe Corrik

Also, I know Corrik is a known liar, but randomly claiming a failed action is weird. Like if it was a scan or something, I could see it. It doesn't make a lot of sense to me to fake that as it's not really damning (Han could have easily claimed commuter) and could easily be disproven.

Finally, I read Han as scum regardless, and I think Corrik has looked better this game

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Bossman_Coolguy posted...

commuter.

red says he can prove mzero, so a commuter/ut isn't what happened

Both could be true, actually. I could have been double blocked lol

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That makes a lot of sense.

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MZero11 posted...

Also, I know Corrik is a known liar, but randomly claiming a failed action is weird.

chris was heavily implying a scan on him so it wasnt exactly random

even then...and no one has actually answered me: why would town power out themselves and say they were blocked? there's no benefit to it besides to sow confusion and keep yourself alive.

at least your pointless claiming is a counter of sorts. i don't know how you don't see it.

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Fastbreak posted...

What? I didnt say that your vote on death looked like a bus
I argued the opposite that if you're scum you would have probably ended up moving the vote but the day ended early

And you STILL didng read that my comments on Han were a FLAVOR BREAD CRUMB which has been stated multiple times

Fastbreak posted...

He said it was for pressure and we beheaded the day. It's possible he didnt intend to keep the bus and just looked good for you

Youre a filthy liar i might have looked to hard at this but this is what i was refering to. This is what you said and you also said i was more then capable of busing... so no you didnt argue the opposite that was Chris who said that i wouldnt do that


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im officiially exhausted, dunno how you guys can play mafia more than once every year.

well, it might have to do with my mental state but...yeah

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I just blow up scum and play games

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i dunno im pretty depressed and i just realized i might just be summarily fired tomorrow

just need to vent, im sorry.

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