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God_Of_Entirety
02/21/20 8:20:14 PM
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Is it?


Racism as I understand it is literally actions taken to prevent a person from advancing or succeeding in any kind of way based on their race or ethnicity

Correct me if I'm wrong. I just think people are misusing the wurd

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ASithLord7
02/21/20 8:21:29 PM
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A racist joke is racist. This isnt difficult.

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C_Pain
02/21/20 8:22:04 PM
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Racism can include actions but it's about belief.

Even so, if you're joking then you don't actually believe it so it's not racist.

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Turbam
02/21/20 8:22:25 PM
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Depends.
If you're telling a black guy joke and the black guy laughs then it's not racist :V

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Umbreon
02/21/20 8:22:54 PM
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Racism isn't strictly one thing. Jokes insulting someone based on their racist is racist. It doesn't have to literally hold you back in society.


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02/21/20 8:23:07 PM
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God_Of_Entirety posted...
Racism as I understand it is literally actions taken to prevent a person from advancing or succeeding in any kind of way based on their race or ethnicity

Correct me if I'm wrong. I just think people are misusing the wurd

Duscuss

I mean, an offensive joke isn't necessarily about race, nor must a joke about race be offensive.

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NeonOctopus
02/21/20 8:23:17 PM
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God_Of_Entirety
02/21/20 8:24:09 PM
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NeonOctopus posted...
If it's funny it isn't racist.

I'm sorry??
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coh
02/21/20 8:27:58 PM
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Racism is thinking a certain race is inferior
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God_Of_Entirety
02/21/20 8:30:25 PM
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coh posted...
Racism is thinking a certain race is inferior

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God_Of_Entirety
02/21/20 8:43:15 PM
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@Umbreon posted...
Racism isn't strictly one thing. Jokes insulting someone based on their racist is racist. It doesn't have to literally hold you back in society.

Opinions.
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Umbreon
02/21/20 8:46:20 PM
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What is? That racism isn't strictly about being held back in society? Because that is an undeniable fact.


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Freddie_Mercury
02/21/20 8:47:31 PM
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God_Of_Entirety posted...
I just think people are misusing the wurd

God_Of_Entirety posted...
Racism as I understand it is literally actions taken to prevent a person from advancing or succeeding in any kind of way based on their race or ethnicity



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averagejoel
02/21/20 8:50:46 PM
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God_Of_Entirety posted...
Racism as I understand it is literally actions taken to prevent a person from advancing or succeeding in any kind of way based on their race or ethnicity

Correct me if I'm wrong. I just think people are misusing the wurd

Duscuss
that's not all that racism is. jokes can be racist too

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dodgefan91
02/21/20 8:57:32 PM
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A joke can be both racist and funny. A joke can be offensive or in bad taste and still be funny. Just because its funny doesnt remove the negative aspect. That being said, I dont expect jokes to necessarily follow what is socially acceptable. If its funny and it makes me laugh, I can still 100% enjoy a joke without it making me think less of the person telling it.

telling a racist joke doesnt necessarily make the joke teller a racist.
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Trickfinger
02/21/20 9:03:24 PM
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No in the lead.

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hockeybub89
02/21/20 9:05:06 PM
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Just because you tell a joke doesn't mean you don't think what you're saying is true? It might be if you're a professional comedian/actor, but plenty of regular people tell jokes that are just what they think as funny ways of expressing their views. A Holocaust joke doesn't make you a Nazi, but white supremacists make jokes about other races. I don't know where the "Joke = completely ridiculous statement that is always 100% unlike your actual beliefs" idea came from. Bullies make jokes about their victims. It doesn't mean they actually love them. As always, context is key.

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Trickfinger
02/21/20 9:05:42 PM
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hockeybub89 posted...
Just because you tell a joke doesn't mean you don't think what you're saying is true? It might be if you're a professional comedian/actor, but plenty of regular people tell jokes that are just what they think as funny ways of expressing their views. A Holocaust joke doesn't make you a Nazi, but white supremacists make jokes about other races. I don't know where the "Joke = completely ridiculous statement that is always 100% unlike your actual beliefs" idea came from. Bullies make jokes about their victims. It doesn't mean they actually love them. As always, context is key.

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Trickfinger
02/21/20 9:06:05 PM
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@Freddie_Mercury posted...
God_Of_Entirety posted...
I just think people are misusing the wurd

God_Of_Entirety posted...
Racism as I understand it is literally actions taken to prevent a person from advancing or succeeding in any kind of way based on their race or ethnicity


Problem?
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joe40001
02/21/20 9:09:30 PM
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God_Of_Entirety posted...
Racism as I understand it is literally actions taken to prevent a person from advancing or succeeding in any kind of way based on their race or ethnicity

Correct me if I'm wrong. I just think people are misusing the wurd

Duscuss
The issue is there are at least 2 definitions of "racist" that people use interchangeably:

  1. A very bad thing in which people hate, threaten, insult the character of, or impede the success of another person or group just because of their race.
  2. A comment that makes a distinction across race.
It's not uncommon that bad faith people on the left will use definition 2 while implying the pejorative nature of definition 1.

Racism 1 is bad, racism 2 is fine.

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hockeybub89
02/21/20 9:11:55 PM
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Trickfinger posted...
... Your point?
I'm just saying that sometimes people mention something is a joke like that prove that the person doesn't really mean it . As if speaking in a funny way and laughing about it disqualifies you from actually meaning it. Jokes can be mean spirited.

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muchdran
02/21/20 9:26:48 PM
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Is this why comedians stopped going to college campuses?
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averagejoel
02/21/20 9:34:19 PM
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joe40001 posted...
The issue is there are at least 2 definitions of "racist" that people use interchangeably:

1. A very bad thing in which people hate, threaten, insult the character of, or impede the success of another person or group just because of their race.
2. A comment that makes a distinction across race.
It's not uncommon that bad faith people on the left will use definition 2 while implying the pejorative nature of definition 1.

Racism 1 is bad, racism 2 is fine.
you should try using actual characteristics of the thing you're trying to define, rather than defining it as "a very bad thing"

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Trickfinger
02/22/20 7:49:01 AM
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@joe40001
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Feetish
02/22/20 7:51:37 AM
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The trouble with racist jokes is they can be used to passively denigrate other races. The comedian will pass off what they are saying as just a joke but these jokes can spread and become facts.

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02/22/20 8:10:28 AM
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Trickfinger
02/22/20 8:51:56 AM
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Feetish posted...
The trouble with racist jokes is they can be used to passively denigrate other races. The comedian will pass off what they are saying as just a joke but these jokes can spread and become facts.

Examples..
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AmericaTheBrave
02/22/20 8:56:55 AM
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I tell jokes about white people all the time.

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Trickfinger
02/22/20 8:57:14 AM
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lol the poll

suck it, sjws

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ASithLord7
02/22/20 9:00:10 AM
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Trickfinger posted...
lol the poll

suck it, sjws
Lol being racist to own the libs

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EndOfDiscOne
02/22/20 9:06:30 AM
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NeonOctopus posted...
If it's funny it isn't racist.
Correct, but that's because racist jokes aren't funny

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cuttin_in_farm
02/22/20 9:14:16 AM
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All racist joke are racist.

But only some racist jokes are funny.

Not hard.


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joe40001
02/22/20 10:39:04 AM
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averagejoel posted...
you should try using actual characteristics of the thing you're trying to define, rather than defining it as "a very bad thing"
???

That's what the rest of the sentence defines. Did you stop reading 4 words in?

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Trickfinger
02/22/20 10:52:35 AM
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joe vs joel

lets go

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SauI_Goodman
02/22/20 10:53:40 AM
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What do you call two Hispanic guys playing basketball? The same as any other guys playing basketball. One on one.

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Iodine
02/22/20 10:53:47 AM
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cuttin_in_farm posted...
All racist joke are racist.

But only some racist jokes are funny.

Not hard.


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Trickfinger
02/22/20 10:54:27 AM
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SauI_Goodman posted...
What do you call two Hispanic guys playing basketball? The same as any other guys playing basketball. One on one.
booo

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DanHaren2019
02/22/20 10:58:29 AM
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What TC described is technically discrimination but you don't have to discriminate to be racist. You can have prejudice based on race and you'd be racist.
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Trickfinger
02/22/20 11:00:05 AM
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DanHaren2019 posted...
What TC described is technically discrimination but you don't have to discriminate to be racist. You can have prejudice based on race and you'd be racist.
so what are you saying..

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DanHaren2019
02/22/20 11:05:26 AM
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Trickfinger posted...
so what are you saying..

im saying tc is likely racist
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Trickfinger
02/22/20 11:06:11 AM
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DanHaren2019 posted...
im saying tc is likely racist
lol

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KillerKhan420
02/22/20 11:07:06 AM
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I'm not answering the poll because it's too patriarchal. I only have one dad.

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SauI_Goodman
02/22/20 11:08:49 AM
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Trickfinger posted...
booo
I'll be here all night.

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averagejoel
02/22/20 11:47:54 AM
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joe40001 posted...
???

That's what the rest of the sentence defines. Did you stop reading 4 words in?
no, I read the whole thing. but neither of your definitions is useful for anything

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Trickfinger
02/22/20 8:38:50 PM
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@joe40001
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ModLogic
02/22/20 9:37:30 PM
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gamefaqs mods have demonstrated again and again that its ok in some cases, and is entirely dependant on skin tone and culture.


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BruceWayneJr
02/22/20 9:49:21 PM
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KillerKhan420 posted...
I'm not answering the poll because it's too patriarchal. I only have one dad.

I love this.

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joe40001
02/23/20 8:29:29 AM
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averagejoel posted...
no, I read the whole thing. but neither of your definitions is useful for anything

It's pretty clear:
If somebody hates, threatens, insults the character of, or impedes the success of another person or group just because of their race it is 1 kind of racism. This is the racism that is bad and we as a culture we should fight against.

Example of this racism: "We don't want mexican people to be able to live in wealthier neighborhoods because they are all criminals"

Type 2:
Mexican people are more likely to celebrate quinceaneras. Black people often have more curly hair. Many Chinese people often eat rice.

Type 2 are things that technically delineate on the basis of race and thus are technically racist, but they are obviously not a problem.

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