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red13n 02/08/20 2:20:20 AM #352:	The turnout is...not surprising. The democratic party is full of pessimism and Bernie is not an Obama-level speaker that is going to excite a large group. If he were 20 years older I'm sure he could be a bit more upbeat but to the general public he definitely looks and comes off as, well, old. People don't get excited for old people. And it should definitely be noted Russia is still doing a lot to drive up the seedier idiots of Bernie's base to turn off potential voters. Their interference on all sides of the Democratic party is very real. They want division and a Trump re-election. Unfortunately, his re-election is more than probable simply due to the state of the economy. I still think its an easy call to say Trump loses the popular vote by even more this time but scores an electoral college victory. --- "First thing that crosses my mind: I didn't get any GameFAQs Karma yesterday." Math Murderer after getting his appendix removed. <cite>red13n posted [p:934090302] in Politics C... [t:78387079]...</cite> <quote>The turnout is...not surprising. The democratic party is full of pessimism and Bernie is not an Obama-level speaker that is going to excite a large group. If he were 20 years older I'm sure he could be a bit more upbeat but to the general public he definitely looks and comes off as, well, old. People don't get excited for old people. And it should definitely be noted Russia is still doing a lot to drive up the seedier idiots of Bernie's base to turn off potential voters. Their interference on all sides of the Democratic party is very real. They want division and a Trump re-election. Unfortunately, his re-election is more than probable simply due to the state of the economy. I still think its an easy call to say Trump loses the popular vote by even more this time but scores an electoral college victory. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DoomTheGyarados 02/08/20 2:38:08 AM #353:	I dont much mind the turn out. The turn out was a lot younger than in 2016 which is what interests me. although of course I hope numbers go up in other primaries. --- Sir Chris Doom The Kanto Saga - Animated Series - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hH4wNFCrLM <cite>DoomTheGyarados posted [p:934090659] in Politics C... [t:78387079]...</cite> <quote>I dont much mind the turn out. The turn out was a lot younger than in 2016 which is what interests me. although of course I hope numbers go up in other primaries. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KamikazePotato 02/08/20 2:40:56 AM #354:	Stats I saw showed that Bernie had overwhelming support among younger people Most of the people who were newcomers came for Bernie Would be nice if the numbers were higher, but they'd probably be a decent bit worse without Bernie there. --- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. <cite>KamikazePotato posted [p:934090718] in Politics C... [t:78387079]...</cite> <quote>Stats I saw showed that Bernie had overwhelming support among younger peopleMost of the people who were newcomers came for BernieWould be nice if the numbers were higher, but they'd probably be a decent bit worse without Bernie there. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
xp1337 02/08/20 3:04:05 AM #355:	I mean how much is "a lot"? Exit polls: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/02/06/how-age-gap-iowa-caucuses-shifted-since-2016/ Demo \| 2020 \| 2016 17-24 \| 16% \| 10% 25-29 \| 8% \| 8% 30-39 \| 15% \| 14% 40-49 \| 12% \| 10% 50-64 \| 22% \| 30% 65+ \| 27% \| 28% Like, yeah, the 17-24 demo sees a nice bump which seemingly comes at the expense of the 50-64 group but the others are about level. Sanders wins 17-24, 25-29, and 30-39. (25-29 is actually his best age group and is the only one where he - or anyone - wins an actual majority of voters rather than just a plurality.) Buttigieg wins 40-49 (though it's close, only +4) and then 50-64 big (Sanders is at 9% and at least doubled by everyone else in the Top 5.) And of course when you get to the 65+ group which remains the largest slice of the pie there it gets downright ugly. Sanders is at 4% (This is the only group Biden won at 33%) I do think it remains a topic of concern that Sanders continues to get annihilated among older voters. It's expected to a point, yeah, but the margins are just yikes. 50-64 and 65+ are the two largest demos there and combined to half the voters and he is in single digits in both. True that combined 49% is down from 58% in 2016 but Sanders seemingly hung better with Clinton in those groups (50-64: 34%-58%; 65+: 26%-69%) Maybe the most worrying thing is that last graphic in the WaPo article where they bundle Sanders/Warren/Yang vs Buttigieg/Biden/Klobuchar and Team Moderate is outperforming 2016 Clinton against Sanders among both the young voters and the old voters. (The Liberal group slightly wins on 30-39 and 40-49... but those are also the smallest demos with the exception of the smaller-range-than-the-rest 25-29) Again, Iowa is only one data point and I really hope it proves to be an anomaly. I'm just saying I think there is legitimate cause for concern for both the nominee in general and perhaps a bit more for Sanders's theory of the case. --- xp1337: Don't you wish there was a spell-checker that told you when you a word out? <cite>xp1337 posted [p:934091110] in Politics C... [t:78387079]...</cite> <quote>I mean how much is "a lot"? Exit polls: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/02/06/how-age-gap-iowa-caucuses-shifted-since-2016/ Demo \| 2020 \| 2016 17-24 \| 16% \| 10% 25-29 \| 8% \| 8% 30-39 \| 15% \| 14% 40-49 \| 12% \| 10% 50-64 \| 22% \| 30% 65+ \| 27% \| 28% Like, yeah, the 17-24 demo sees a nice bump which seemingly comes at the expense of the 50-64 group but the others are about level. Sanders wins 17-24, 25-29, and 30-39. (25-29 is actually his best age group and is the only one where he - or anyone - wins an actual majority of voters rather than just a plurality.) Buttigieg wins 40-49 (though it's close, only +4) and then 50-64 big (Sanders is at 9% and at least doubled by everyone else in the Top 5.) And of course when you get to the 65+ group which remains the largest slice of the pie there it gets downright ugly. Sanders is at 4% (This is the only group Biden won at 33%) I do think it remains a topic of concern that Sanders continues to get annihilated among older voters. It's expected to a point, yeah, but the margins are just yikes. 50-64 and 65+ are the two largest demos there and combined to half the voters and he is in single digits in both. True that combined 49% is down from 58% in 2016 but Sanders seemingly hung better with Clinton in those groups (50-64: 34%-58%; 65+: 26%-69%) Maybe the most worrying thing is that last graphic in the WaPo article where they bundle Sanders/Warren/Yang vs Buttigieg/Biden/Klobuchar and Team Moderate is outperforming 2016 Clinton against Sanders among both the young voters and the old voters. (The Liberal group slightly wins on 30-39 and 40-49... but those are also the smallest demos with the exception of the smaller-range-than-the-rest 25-29) Again, Iowa is only one data point and I really hope it proves to be an anomaly. I'm just saying I think there is legitimate cause for concern for both the nominee in general and perhaps a bit more for Sanders's theory of the case. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
xp1337 02/08/20 7:07:08 AM #356:	Also, I don't mean to derail from that discussion but as has become typical I have my "I watched the debate 8 hours late and react" post. Probably one of the better debates? I felt I was more engaged with it this time. Anyway, first reaction has to be Steyer was auditioning for the next Snickers commercial, dude was fired up lol. It was like his rage meter was building at the start with no questions coming his way and then he finally went into overlimit, hijacked the discussion and just stayed in it until he finally mellowed a bit on the very last question of the debate. Felt that Warren and Sanders had the best night. Warren's answer on the race questions were the best of the bunch by far IMO and lmao the mic drop she had on Buttigieg to start it off. Sanders was on point too throughout. Biden... was hit or miss.. he spent a good chunk of the debate also fired up but with mixed results. Sometimes I felt the fire and passion landed very well - especially when he brought up the traumatic brain injuries suffered by the soldiers that Trump has been dismissing as "headaches" which I thought was probably the strongest moment of the debate until Warren nailed it later on. OTOH, I feel like sometimes it just came off poorly like with a lot of his "I WAS THE ONE who did X! I WAS THE ONE who did Y!" which even when true it just felt... weird, like getting yelled at. Klobuchar definitely had the most level and steady performance of the moderates IMO and seemed to particularly find her footing in the latter portion of the debate. Steyer was, as I said, fired up and the comedy moment of the debate for me was the raw betrayal he was emitting when Sanders interrupted his trying to grill Biden. lmao "Bernie I hear what you're saying but-!". Yang was pretty much an observer although I feel like he auto-lost for his answer on holding Trump accountable. But the biggest loser of the night IMO was Buttigieg. Everyone was after him again though it felt more subdued than last time around but I think the real damage done was the sequence of the moderator pressing him on disproportionate drug arrests in South Bend despite his repeated attempts to dodge (the rare moderator getting applause moment) and then Warren completing the obliteration with her "No." when she finally gave up and moved onto Warren asking if Buttigieg's answer was substantial. So... tl;dr: Winners: Warren, Sanders Did alright: Klobuchar Did okay, but it was uneven, and for the first time that may not have been enough: Biden You're not yourself when you're hungry: Steyer Attended: Yang Loser: Buttigieg --- xp1337: Don't you wish there was a spell-checker that told you when you a word out? <cite>xp1337 posted [p:934094031] in Politics C... [t:78387079]...</cite> <quote>Also, I don't mean to derail from that discussion but as has become typical I have my "I watched the debate 8 hours late and react" post. Probably one of the better debates? I felt I was more engaged with it this time. Anyway, first reaction has to be Steyer was auditioning for the next Snickers commercial, dude was fired up lol. It was like his rage meter was building at the start with no questions coming his way and then he finally went into overlimit, hijacked the discussion and just stayed in it until he finally mellowed a bit on the very last question of the debate. Felt that Warren and Sanders had the best night. Warren's answer on the race questions were the best of the bunch by far IMO and lmao the mic drop she had on Buttigieg to start it off. Sanders was on point too throughout. Biden... was hit or miss.. he spent a good chunk of the debate also fired up but with mixed results. Sometimes I felt the fire and passion landed very well - especially when he brought up the traumatic brain injuries suffered by the soldiers that Trump has been dismissing as "headaches" which I thought was probably the strongest moment of the debate until Warren nailed it later on. OTOH, I feel like sometimes it just came off poorly like with a lot of his "I WAS THE ONE who did X! I WAS THE ONE who did Y!" which even when true it just felt... weird, like getting yelled at. Klobuchar definitely had the most level and steady performance of the moderates IMO and seemed to particularly find her footing in the latter portion of the debate. Steyer was, as I said, fired up and the comedy moment of the debate for me was the raw betrayal he was emitting when Sanders interrupted his trying to grill Biden. lmao "Bernie I hear what you're saying but-!". Yang was pretty much an observer although I feel like he auto-lost for his answer on holding Trump accountable. But the biggest loser of the night IMO was Buttigieg. Everyone was after him again though it felt more subdued than last time around but I think the real damage done was the sequence of the moderator pressing him on disproportionate drug arrests in South Bend despite his repeated attempts to dodge (the rare moderator getting applause moment) and then Warren completing the obliteration with her "No." when she finally gave up and moved onto Warren asking if Buttigieg's answer was substantial. So... tl;dr: Winners: Warren, Sanders Did alright: Klobuchar Did okay, but it was uneven, and for the first time that may not have been enough: Biden You're not yourself when you're hungry: Steyer Attended: Yang Loser: Buttigieg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HeroDelTiempo17 02/08/20 9:32:53 AM #357:	xp1337 posted... (Unfortunately) back to Iowa. I do think it's somewhat of concern - particularly for Sanders given the emphasis his message places on it - that turnout was basically level with 2016. 176k now versus 171k in 2016. Given a large crux of Sanders's argument is on a "political revolution" and a surge of young and disaffected voters... that objectively did not materialize here. I'm not saying it had to break the 2008 total of 239k but it would have been reassuring to at least see it come somewhat close. I think the turnout is troubling regardless of eventual nominee, I just singled out Sanders there since it's more core to his argument than the others. Hopefully this is just an aberration and we see turnout up in NH and beyond but this was the number I was looking out for almost more than the result once it became clear we basically had a virtual tie Monday night. Overall turnout was similar but the percentage of under 45 voters was up. That means old people didnt show up as consistently but younger voters kept turnout the same. Seems like a good sign to me. Though I guess this is based on the CNN poll, that WaPo one looks a little closer. But yeah it could also be a fluke due to the caucus. --- DPOblivion was far more determined than me. <cite>HeroDelTiempo17 posted [p:934096524] in Politics C... [t:78387079]...</cite> <quote>xp1337 posted... </cite> <quote>(Unfortunately) back to Iowa. I do think it's somewhat of concern - particularly for Sanders given the emphasis his message places on it - that turnout was basically level with 2016. 176k now versus 171k in 2016. Given a large crux of Sanders's argument is on a "political revolution" and a surge of young and disaffected voters... that objectively did not materialize here. I'm not saying it had to break the 2008 total of 239k but it would have been reassuring to at least see it come somewhat close. I think the turnout is troubling regardless of eventual nominee, I just singled out Sanders there since it's more core to his argument than the others. Hopefully this is just an aberration and we see turnout up in NH and beyond but this was the number I was looking out for almost more than the result once it became clear we basically had a virtual tie Monday night.</quote> Overall turnout was similar but the percentage of under 45 voters was up. That means old people didnt show up as consistently but younger voters kept turnout the same. Seems like a good sign to me. Though I guess this is based on the CNN poll, that WaPo one looks a little closer. But yeah it could also be a fluke due to the caucus. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MikeTavish 02/08/20 9:34:41 AM #358:	red13n posted... If he were 20 years older I'm sure he could be a bit more upbeat If only Bernie were 98 years old then he'd really rack in the votes! --- Formerly ff6man. Advokaiser won the guru! Congrats! <cite>MikeTavish posted [p:934096564] in Politics C... [t:78387079]...</cite> <quote>red13n posted... </cite> <quote>If he were 20 years older I'm sure he could be a bit more upbeat</quote> If only Bernie were 98 years old then he'd really rack in the votes! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordoftheMorons 02/08/20 3:59:20 PM #359:	https://twitter.com/thedweck/status/1225962064922832896?s=21 --- Congrats to Advokaiser for winning the CBX Guru Challenge! <cite>LordoftheMorons posted [p:934109337] in Politics C... [t:78387079]...</cite> <quote>https://twitter.com/thedweck/status/1225962064922832896?s=21 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChaosTonyV4 02/08/20 4:01:27 PM #360:	I laughed --- Phantom Dust. "I'll just wait for time to prove me right again." - Vlado <cite>ChaosTonyV4 posted [p:934109412] in Politics C... [t:78387079]...</cite> <quote> I laughed </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kinglicious 02/08/20 4:25:56 PM #361:	https://youtu.be/gyub6M8Qfqs --- The King Wang. Listen up Urinal Cake. I already have something that tells me if I'm too drunk when I pee on it: My friends. - Colbert. <cite>Kinglicious posted [p:934110328] in Politics C... [t:78387079]...</cite> <quote>https://youtu.be/gyub6M8Qfqs </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChaosTonyV4 02/08/20 4:35:38 PM #362:	I think exactly 0 people in this topic will be convinced by Jimmy Dore, but he did make me think of something. He questioned why the vote stopped at 62% for so long with no transparency with what was happening, but didnt we (the US and people in this topic) literally support a coup in Bolivia because of irregularities with a vote count that stopped around 70%? Thats pretty funny. --- Phantom Dust. "I'll just wait for time to prove me right again." - Vlado <cite>ChaosTonyV4 posted [p:934110668] in Politics C... [t:78387079]...</cite> <quote>I think exactly 0 people in this topic will be convinced by Jimmy Dore, but he did make me think of something. He questioned why the vote stopped at 62% for so long with no transparency with what was happening, but didnt we (the US and people in this topic) literally support a coup in Bolivia because of irregularities with a vote count that stopped around 70%? Thats pretty funny. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kinglicious 02/08/20 4:38:13 PM #363:	Oh I know. For me the amusement is that Jimmy Dore is on Tucker and that Tucker is on board with Bernie getting screwed. Bernie supporters agree with tucker confirmed~ --- The King Wang. Listen up Urinal Cake. I already have something that tells me if I'm too drunk when I pee on it: My friends. - Colbert. <cite>Kinglicious posted [p:934110769] in Politics C... [t:78387079]...</cite> <quote>Oh I know. For me the amusement is that Jimmy Dore is on Tucker and that Tucker is on board with Bernie getting screwed. Bernie supporters agree with tucker confirmed~ </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordoftheMorons 02/08/20 6:47:56 PM #364:	Not feeling great about this choice by Biden to go after Pete hard...: https://twitter.com/numbersmuncher/status/1226200604218994689?s=21 --- Congrats to Advokaiser for winning the CBX Guru Challenge! <cite>LordoftheMorons posted [p:934115992] in Politics C... [t:78387079]...</cite> <quote>Not feeling great about this choice by Biden to go after Pete hard...: https://twitter.com/numbersmuncher/status/1226200604218994689?s=21 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Grimlyn 02/08/20 6:52:22 PM #365:	kinda exactly what Biden needs to be doing, good for him --- https://gmun.moe/ffcc GuessMyUserName's account's very own account! <cite>Grimlyn posted [p:934116153] in Politics C... [t:78387079]...</cite> <quote>kinda exactly what Biden needs to be doing, good for him </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MoogleKupo141 02/08/20 6:57:19 PM #366:	LordoftheMorons posted... Not feeling great about this choice by Biden to go after Pete hard...: https://twitter.com/numbersmuncher/status/1226200604218994689?s=21 Im feeling very great about it bury him, joe --- For your BK_Sheikah00. At least Kupo has class and doesn't MESSAGE the people -Dr Pizza <cite>MoogleKupo141 posted [p:934116343] in Politics C... [t:78387079]...</cite> <quote>LordoftheMorons posted...</cite> <quote>Not feeling great about this choice by Biden to go after Pete hard...: https://twitter.com/numbersmuncher/status/1226200604218994689?s=21 </quote> Im feeling very great about it bury him, joe</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik7 02/08/20 6:59:32 PM #367:	Damn Biden definitely invokes Obama a ton eh. --- Xbox Live User Name - Corrik Currently playing: Spider-Man (PS4), Quantum Break (X1) <cite>Corrik7 posted [p:934116436] in Politics C... [t:78387079]...</cite> <quote>Damn Biden definitely invokes Obama a ton eh. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
iiaattgg 02/08/20 7:00:37 PM #368:	LordoftheMorons posted... Not feeling great about this choice by Biden to go after Pete hard...: https://twitter.com/numbersmuncher/status/1226200604218994689?s=21 hot damn --- Sess Of the superuser "merSHINEsess" <cite>iiaattgg posted [p:934116479] in Politics C... [t:78387079]...</cite> <quote>LordoftheMorons posted... </cite> <quote>Not feeling great about this choice by Biden to go after Pete hard...: https://twitter.com/numbersmuncher/status/1226200604218994689?s=21</quote>hot damn </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DoomTheGyarados 02/08/20 7:00:40 PM #369:	I feel like Biden genuinely likes Bernie. Like "Fuck this young guy, I got you Bernie." --- Sir Chris Doom The Kanto Saga - Animated Series - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hH4wNFCrLM <cite>DoomTheGyarados posted [p:934116484] in Politics C... [t:78387079]...</cite> <quote>I feel like Biden genuinely likes Bernie. Like "Fuck this young guy, I got you Bernie." </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KamikazePotato 02/08/20 7:17:39 PM #370:	https://twitter.com/ewarren/status/1225979380939313153 Uuuuuuuuuh... --- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. <cite>KamikazePotato posted [p:934117184] in Politics C... [t:78387079]...</cite> <quote>https://twitter.com/ewarren/status/1225979380939313153 Uuuuuuuuuh... </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KamikazePotato 02/08/20 7:18:39 PM #371:	DoomTheGyarados posted... I feel like Biden genuinely likes Bernie. Like "Fuck this young guy, I got you Bernie." I think all 6 non-Pete candidates would rather have anyone else (except Bloomberg) get the nomination than Pete. --- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. <cite>KamikazePotato posted [p:934117231] in Politics C... [t:78387079]...</cite> <quote>DoomTheGyarados posted... </cite> <quote>I feel like Biden genuinely likes Bernie. Like "Fuck this young guy, I got you Bernie."</quote>I think all 6 non-Pete candidates would rather have anyone else (except Bloomberg) get the nomination than Pete. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DoomTheGyarados 02/08/20 7:26:34 PM #372:	I get warren wants to contrast with Bernie and I guess some pac out there may be helping bernie but uh... Bernie murders everyone on trust so yeah --- Sir Chris Doom The Kanto Saga - Animated Series - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hH4wNFCrLM <cite>DoomTheGyarados posted [p:934117586] in Politics C... [t:78387079]...</cite> <quote>I get warren wants to contrast with Bernie and I guess some pac out there may be helping bernie but uh... Bernie murders everyone on trust so yeah </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DoomTheGyarados 02/08/20 7:27:23 PM #373:	KamikazePotato posted... I think all 6 non-Pete candidates would rather have anyone else (except Bloomberg) get the nomination than Pete. Yeah I was impressed with Joe and Amy's show of party unity last night tbh. Made me respect both of them a lot for standing up for Bernie --- Sir Chris Doom The Kanto Saga - Animated Series - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hH4wNFCrLM <cite>DoomTheGyarados posted [p:934117630] in Politics C... [t:78387079]...</cite> <quote>KamikazePotato posted... </cite> <quote>I think all 6 non-Pete candidates would rather have anyone else (except Bloomberg) get the nomination than Pete.</quote> Yeah I was impressed with Joe and Amy's show of party unity last night tbh. Made me respect both of them a lot for standing up for Bernie </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HeroDelTiempo17 02/08/20 10:05:33 PM #374:	KamikazePotato posted... https://twitter.com/ewarren/status/1225979380939313153 Uuuuuuuuuh... I mean Bernie does technically take money from SuperPACs. There's a nurse's union SuperPAC that supports him and there's also Our Revolution (which Bernie founded) and Sunrise Movement which have endorsed him, and those are those legally classified as those "dark money" social interest organizations. Now, these are all still grassroots or unions so Bernie can still make the claim that it's all grassroots support, and it's probably not nearly as much money as others, but it's still the same kind of legal loopholes to dodge campaign finance shit. That said...this is super pedantic and I'm sure Liz and Klob both have their own variants of it going on. They're all politicians running for president, money in politics is inescapable, and you can't really trust any of them on this. --- DPOblivion was far more determined than me. <cite>HeroDelTiempo17 posted [p:934123745] in Politics C... [t:78387079]...</cite> <quote>KamikazePotato posted... </cite> <quote>https://twitter.com/ewarren/status/1225979380939313153 Uuuuuuuuuh...</quote> I mean Bernie does technically take money from SuperPACs. There's a nurse's union SuperPAC that supports him and there's also Our Revolution (which Bernie founded) and Sunrise Movement which have endorsed him, and those are those legally classified as those "dark money" social interest organizations. Now, these are all still grassroots or unions so Bernie can still make the claim that it's all grassroots support, and it's probably not nearly as much money as others, but it's still the same kind of legal loopholes to dodge campaign finance shit. That said...this is super pedantic and I'm sure Liz and Klob both have their own variants of it going on. They're all politicians running for president, money in politics is inescapable, and you can't really trust any of them on this. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kinglicious 02/08/20 10:09:20 PM #375:	It just feels like they're going for the Warren/Klobuchar ticket. --- The King Wang. Listen up Urinal Cake. I already have something that tells me if I'm too drunk when I pee on it: My friends. - Colbert. <cite>Kinglicious posted [p:934123875] in Politics C... [t:78387079]...</cite> <quote>It just feels like they're going for the Warren/Klobuchar ticket. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HeroDelTiempo17 02/08/20 10:18:30 PM #376:	Kinglicious posted... It just feels like they're going for the Warren/Klobuchar ticket. I still think Warren is preparing to announce Castro as her pick. He endorsed her and has also personally joined her campaign. --- DPOblivion was far more determined than me. <cite>HeroDelTiempo17 posted [p:934124197] in Politics C... [t:78387079]...</cite> <quote>Kinglicious posted... </cite> <quote>It just feels like they're going for the Warren/Klobuchar ticket.</quote> I still think Warren is preparing to announce Castro as her pick. He endorsed her and has also personally joined her campaign. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChaosTonyV4 02/08/20 11:00:40 PM #377:	HeroDelTiempo17 posted... I mean Bernie does technically take money from SuperPACs. There's a nurse's union SuperPAC that supports him and there's also Our Revolution (which Bernie founded) and Sunrise Movement which have endorsed him, and those are those legally classified as those "dark money" social interest organizations. Now, these are all still grassroots or unions so Bernie can still make the claim that it's all grassroots support, and it's probably not nearly as much money as others, but it's still the same kind of legal loopholes to dodge campaign finance shit. That said...this is super pedantic and I'm sure Liz and Klob both have their own variants of it going on. They're all politicians running for president, money in politics is inescapable, and you can't really trust any of them on this. I dont believe either of those are SuperPACs, theyre just PACS. https://giphy.com/gifs/biden-eats-pete-llysxKun2FMgxw2Goc --- Phantom Dust. "I'll just wait for time to prove me right again." - Vlado <cite>ChaosTonyV4 posted [p:934125754] in Politics C... [t:78387079]...</cite> <quote>HeroDelTiempo17 posted... </cite> <quote>I mean Bernie does technically take money from SuperPACs. There's a nurse's union SuperPAC that supports him and there's also Our Revolution (which Bernie founded) and Sunrise Movement which have endorsed him, and those are those legally classified as those "dark money" social interest organizations. Now, these are all still grassroots or unions so Bernie can still make the claim that it's all grassroots support, and it's probably not nearly as much money as others, but it's still the same kind of legal loopholes to dodge campaign finance shit. That said...this is super pedantic and I'm sure Liz and Klob both have their own variants of it going on. They're all politicians running for president, money in politics is inescapable, and you can't really trust any of them on this.</quote> I dont believe either of those are SuperPACs, theyre just PACS. https://giphy.com/gifs/biden-eats-pete-llysxKun2FMgxw2Goc </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Suprak the Stud 02/08/20 11:13:55 PM #378:	LordoftheMorons posted... Not feeling great about this choice by Biden to go after Pete hard...: https://twitter.com/numbersmuncher/status/1226200604218994689?s=21 Whoa. That is one of the better political ads I've seen in some time. I do understand reservations about going after other democrats this hard though because you have to believe this ad is goign to come back if Pete somehow miraculously escapes the primary. DoomTheGyarados posted... I feel like Biden genuinely likes Bernie. Like "Fuck this young guy, I got you Bernie." I do find it interesting Biden has lobbed almost zero attacks on Sanders in spite of the fact that Sanders has been his number one closest competitor for almost the entirety of the race. They have some serious policy disagreements but you haven't seen anything like THIS directed at Sanders. --- Moops? "I thought you were making up diseases? That's spontaneous dental hydroplosion." <cite>Suprak the Stud posted [p:934126235] in Politics C... [t:78387079]...</cite> <quote>LordoftheMorons posted... </cite> <quote>Not feeling great about this choice by Biden to go after Pete hard...: https://twitter.com/numbersmuncher/status/1226200604218994689?s=21</quote> Whoa. That is one of the better political ads I've seen in some time. I do understand reservations about going after other democrats this hard though because you have to believe this ad is goign to come back if Pete somehow miraculously escapes the primary. DoomTheGyarados posted... </cite> <quote>I feel like Biden genuinely likes Bernie. Like "Fuck this young guy, I got you Bernie."</quote> I do find it interesting Biden has lobbed almost zero attacks on Sanders in spite of the fact that Sanders has been his number one closest competitor for almost the entirety of the race. They have some serious policy disagreements but you haven't seen anything like THIS directed at Sanders. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChaosTonyV4 02/08/20 11:27:25 PM #379:	https://twitter.com/erckmelo/status/1226345831671853056?s=21 ouch --- Phantom Dust. "I'll just wait for time to prove me right again." - Vlado <cite>ChaosTonyV4 posted [p:934126684] in Politics C... [t:78387079]...</cite> <quote>https://twitter.com/erckmelo/status/1226345831671853056?s=21 ouch </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DoomTheGyarados 02/08/20 11:35:49 PM #380:	I think there is clearly respect between Biden and Sanders tbh. --- Sir Chris Doom The Kanto Saga - Animated Series - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hH4wNFCrLM <cite>DoomTheGyarados posted [p:934126972] in Politics C... [t:78387079]...</cite> <quote>I think there is clearly respect between Biden and Sanders tbh. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525 02/08/20 11:36:41 PM #381:	Well Biden is a former senator so they were colleagues for a while. --- TheRock ~ I had a name, my father called me Blues. <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:934127005] in Politics C... [t:78387079]...</cite> <quote>Well Biden is a former senator so they were colleagues for a while. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KamikazePotato 02/08/20 11:36:53 PM #382:	Most of the candidates seem to respect each other. Outside of everyone hating Pete, I think Warren has some beef with Sanders and that's about it? --- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. <cite>KamikazePotato posted [p:934127013] in Politics C... [t:78387079]...</cite> <quote>Most of the candidates seem to respect each other. Outside of everyone hating Pete, I think Warren has some beef with Sanders and that's about it? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kinglicious 02/08/20 11:37:10 PM #383:	Just saw the Biden ad. Holy hell is that a scorched earth attack for the Dems we're talking. Republicans may like Pete more in these comparisons but they ain't that electorate. That's the first heavy slap I've heard. --- The King Wang. Listen up Urinal Cake. I already have something that tells me if I'm too drunk when I pee on it: My friends. - Colbert. <cite>Kinglicious posted [p:934127025] in Politics C... [t:78387079]...</cite> <quote>Just saw the Biden ad. Holy hell is that a scorched earth attack for the Dems we're talking. Republicans may like Pete more in these comparisons but they ain't that electorate. That's the first heavy slap I've heard. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik7 02/08/20 11:45:55 PM #384:	Biden is 3rd or 4th in basically every NH poll now. --- Xbox Live User Name - Corrik Currently playing: Spider-Man (PS4), Quantum Break (X1) <cite>Corrik7 posted [p:934127337] in Politics C... [t:78387079]...</cite> <quote>Biden is 3rd or 4th in basically every NH poll now. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Suprak the Stud 02/09/20 12:01:17 AM #385:	Corrik7 posted... Biden is 3rd or 4th in basically every NH poll now. Losing NH was expected but he polls at 10 or 11 in literally every single one of the last of the last polls except for one (where he was 13). Like I wanted Biden to lose but I didn't want him to be embarrassed! --- Moops? "I thought you were making up diseases? That's spontaneous dental hydroplosion." <cite>Suprak the Stud posted [p:934127870] in Politics C... [t:78387079]...</cite> <quote>Corrik7 posted... </cite> <quote>Biden is 3rd or 4th in basically every NH poll now.</quote> Losing NH was expected but he polls at 10 or 11 in literally every single one of the last of the last polls except for one (where he was 13). Like I wanted Biden to lose but I didn't want him to be embarrassed! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Suprak the Stud 02/09/20 12:04:12 AM #386:	Like Biden is 5th (!!!!!!!!) in this poll. https://emersonpolling.reportablenews.com/pr/new-hampshire-2020-tracking-poll-night-7-debate-shifts- (space) momentum-for-candidates-but-sanders-stays-in-strong-position If he finishes 5th expect the media to bury him all the way up to Nevada. He won't get any good coverage at all. --- Moops? "I thought you were making up diseases? That's spontaneous dental hydroplosion." <cite>Suprak the Stud posted [p:934127961] in Politics C... [t:78387079]...</cite> <quote>Like Biden is 5th (!!!!!!!!) in this poll. https://emersonpolling.reportablenews.com/pr/new-hampshire-2020-tracking-poll-night-7-debate-shifts- (space) momentum-for-candidates-but-sanders-stays-in-strong-position If he finishes 5th expect the media to bury him all the way up to Nevada. He won't get any good coverage at all. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik7 02/09/20 12:07:35 AM #387:	Well, that is what I mean. Polling 4th (or 5th) puts him around single digit support. That's baddd. --- Xbox Live User Name - Corrik Currently playing: Spider-Man (PS4), Quantum Break (X1) <cite>Corrik7 posted [p:934128064] in Politics C... [t:78387079]...</cite> <quote>Well, that is what I mean. Polling 4th (or 5th) puts him around single digit support. That's baddd. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HeroDelTiempo17 02/09/20 12:19:26 AM #388:	Biden still seems to be doing okay nationally...and we reaaallly need him to hang on so most of his SC/ST delegates don't go to Buttigieg. --- DPOblivion was far more determined than me. <cite>HeroDelTiempo17 posted [p:934128528] in Politics C... [t:78387079]...</cite> <quote>Biden still seems to be doing okay nationally...and we reaaallly need him to hang on so most of his SC/ST delegates don't go to Buttigieg. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik7 02/09/20 12:27:31 AM #389:	HeroDelTiempo17 posted... Biden still seems to be doing okay nationally...and we reaaallly need him to hang on so most of his SC/ST delegates don't go to Buttigieg. Why would Buttgieg do well in SC with Biden gone? --- Xbox Live User Name - Corrik Currently playing: Spider-Man (PS4), Quantum Break (X1) <cite>Corrik7 posted [p:934128814] in Politics C... [t:78387079]...</cite> <quote>HeroDelTiempo17 posted... </cite> <quote>Biden still seems to be doing okay nationally...and we reaaallly need him to hang on so most of his SC/ST delegates don't go to Buttigieg.</quote>Why would Buttgieg do well in SC with Biden gone? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HeroDelTiempo17 02/09/20 12:43:14 AM #390:	Corrik7 posted... Why would Buttgieg do well in SC with Biden gone? I mean he'd do better unless you think voters would avoid him entirely --- DPOblivion was far more determined than me. <cite>HeroDelTiempo17 posted [p:934129410] in Politics C... [t:78387079]...</cite> <quote>Corrik7 posted... </cite> <quote>Why would Buttgieg do well in SC with Biden gone?</quote> I mean he'd do better unless you think voters would avoid him entirely </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DoomTheGyarados 02/09/20 12:45:27 AM #391:	Have you seen his demo breakdown? <_< --- Sir Chris Doom The Kanto Saga - Animated Series - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hH4wNFCrLM <cite>DoomTheGyarados posted [p:934129502] in Politics C... [t:78387079]...</cite> <quote>Have you seen his demo breakdown? <_< </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CaptainOfCrush 02/09/20 12:51:38 AM #392:	Pete's weakness with minority voters will be highlighted in NV and SC. The momentum he has now (and might maintain through NH) will largely fizzle before Super Tuesday. As an aside, I just realized that I've never known (or cared to remember) the mayor's name in any city I've ever lived in, and each of those cities is larger than South Bend, Indiana. Buttigieg is quite ambitious. --- Yoblazer https://imgur.com/gByqgPg <cite>CaptainOfCrush posted [p:934129689] in Politics C... [t:78387079]...</cite> <quote>Pete's weakness with minority voters will be highlighted in NV and SC. The momentum he has now (and might maintain through NH) will largely fizzle before Super Tuesday. As an aside, I just realized that I've never known (or cared to remember) the mayor's name in any city I've ever lived in, and each of those cities is larger than South Bend, Indiana. Buttigieg is quite ambitious. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DoomTheGyarados 02/09/20 1:12:14 AM #393:	Meanwhile, in "Bernie is right" land. https://www.businessinsider.com/single-payer-system-could-save-us-massive-administrative-costs-2020-1 600B saved in administrative costs. Per. Year. --- Sir Chris Doom The Kanto Saga - Animated Series - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hH4wNFCrLM <cite>DoomTheGyarados posted [p:934130404] in Politics C... [t:78387079]...</cite> <quote>Meanwhile, in "Bernie is right" land. https://www.businessinsider.com/single-payer-system-could-save-us-massive-administrative-costs-2020-1 600B saved in administrative costs. Per. Year. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HeroDelTiempo17 02/09/20 1:26:32 AM #394:	DoomTheGyarados posted... Have you seen his demo breakdown? <_< Do you guys think only black people live in SC, or that zero black people will vote for one of the frontrunners if Biden is absent --- DPOblivion was far more determined than me. <cite>HeroDelTiempo17 posted [p:934130836] in Politics C... [t:78387079]...</cite> <quote>DoomTheGyarados posted... </cite> <quote>Have you seen his demo breakdown? <_<</quote> Do you guys think only black people live in SC, or that zero black people will vote for one of the frontrunners if Biden is absent </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DoomTheGyarados 02/09/20 1:31:05 AM #395:	HeroDelTiempo17 posted... Do you guys think only black people live in SC, or that zero black people will vote for one of the frontrunners if Biden is absent Have you seen Bernie's demos? --- Sir Chris Doom The Kanto Saga - Animated Series - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hH4wNFCrLM <cite>DoomTheGyarados posted [p:934130939] in Politics C... [t:78387079]...</cite> <quote>HeroDelTiempo17 posted... </cite> <quote>Do you guys think only black people live in SC, or that zero black people will vote for one of the frontrunners if Biden is absent</quote> Have you seen Bernie's demos? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HeroDelTiempo17 02/09/20 1:32:22 AM #396:	DoomTheGyarados posted... Have you seen Bernie's demos? ok so you think all black voters will go to bernie? even the more conservative ones? and that pete won't end up getting more delegates than he would with biden splitting them? --- DPOblivion was far more determined than me. <cite>HeroDelTiempo17 posted [p:934130980] in Politics C... [t:78387079]...</cite> <quote>DoomTheGyarados posted... </cite> <quote>Have you seen Bernie's demos?</quote> ok so you think all black voters will go to bernie? even the more conservative ones? and that pete won't end up getting more delegates than he would with biden splitting them? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KamikazePotato 02/09/20 1:34:20 AM #397:	So this is pretty bad https://twitter.com/tripgabriel/status/1226357866568863744 I'll go ahead and quote it because wow Hello fellow IA caucus nerds. Tonight the IDP chair @troymprice sent an internal email that the party attorney says any re-examination of precinct results cannot change the results on caucus math worksheets, even if they are wrong. Quoting the opinion of the IDP attorney: "The incorrect math on the Caucus Math Worksheets must not be changed to ensure the integrity of the process. Most importantly the Worksheet is the caucus chair and secretary's "certification" of the results as required by Iowa Code 43.4(2-3). It is the legal voting record of the caucus, like a ballot. " Here's more from the attorney (someday I'll learn how to tweet a document): "The IDP's role is to facilitate the caucus and tabulate the results. Any judgement of math miscalculations would insert personal opinion into the process by individuals not at the caucus and could change the agreed upon results. That action would be interfering with the caucus' expression of their preferences..." There are various reasons that the worksheets have errors and may appear to not be accurate, however changing the math would change the information agreed upon And certified by the caucus goers...." "If campaigns want further recourse they will need to work all of the way through the process to a Recount where the Presidential Preference Cards are opened and counted." But yeah, there's no chance whatsoever of a conspiracy --- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. <cite>KamikazePotato posted [p:934131041] in Politics C... [t:78387079]...</cite> <quote>So this is pretty bad https://twitter.com/tripgabriel/status/1226357866568863744 I'll go ahead and quote it because wow <quote>Hello fellow IA caucus nerds. Tonight the IDP chair @troymprice sent an internal email that the party attorney says any re-examination of precinct results cannot change the results on caucus math worksheets, even if they are wrong. Quoting the opinion of the IDP attorney: "The incorrect math on the Caucus Math Worksheets must not be changed to ensure the integrity of the process. Most importantly the Worksheet is the caucus chair and secretary's "certification" of the results as required by Iowa Code 43.4(2-3). It is the legal voting record of the caucus, like a ballot. " Here's more from the attorney (someday I'll learn how to tweet a document): "The IDP's role is to facilitate the caucus and tabulate the results. Any judgement of math miscalculations would insert personal opinion into the process by individuals not at the caucus and could change the agreed upon results. That action would be interfering with the caucus' expression of their preferences..." There are various reasons that the worksheets have errors and may appear to not be accurate, however changing the math would change the information agreed upon And certified by the caucus goers...." "If campaigns want further recourse they will need to work all of the way through the process to a Recount where the Presidential Preference Cards are opened and counted."</quote> But yeah, there's no chance whatsoever of a conspiracy </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DoomTheGyarados 02/09/20 1:35:12 AM #398:	Now this is about to be horrible, this is not my view, but being real: You think a conservative (democrat even) black person in South Carolina is voting a gay man to be their President? Frankly I am not sure Pete even gets to 15% if Biden is out in South Carolina, they seem to enjoy Steyer. Right now SC goes Biden - Steyer - Bernie - Warren - Pete Pete's at 5.5% I think Biden gets carved up a lot between the first three and maybe Pete doubles his polling to 11% and that doesn't matter. --- Sir Chris Doom The Kanto Saga - Animated Series - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hH4wNFCrLM <cite>DoomTheGyarados posted [p:934131076] in Politics C... [t:78387079]...</cite> <quote>Now this is about to be horrible, this is not my view, but being real: You think a conservative (democrat even) black person in South Carolina is voting a gay man to be their President? Frankly I am not sure Pete even gets to 15% if Biden is out in South Carolina, they seem to enjoy Steyer. Right now SC goes Biden - Steyer - Bernie - Warren - Pete Pete's at 5.5% I think Biden gets carved up a lot between the first three and maybe Pete doubles his polling to 11% and that doesn't matter. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KamikazePotato 02/09/20 1:40:01 AM #399:	Like, maybe I care about this more than others but that is LITERALLY people being directed to release fraudulent election results. Boils my blood --- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. <cite>KamikazePotato posted [p:934131217] in Politics C... [t:78387079]...</cite> <quote>Like, maybe I care about this more than others but that is LITERALLY people being directed to release fraudulent election results. Boils my blood </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DoomTheGyarados 02/09/20 1:40:41 AM #400:	I have just given up on Iowa at this point because "Fuck Iowa." That is horrible, truly. --- Sir Chris Doom The Kanto Saga - Animated Series - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hH4wNFCrLM <cite>DoomTheGyarados posted [p:934131235] in Politics C... [t:78387079]...</cite> <quote>I have just given up on Iowa at this point because "Fuck Iowa." That is horrible, truly. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik7 02/09/20 2:05:52 AM #401:	HeroDelTiempo17 posted... I mean he'd do better unless you think voters would avoid him entirely Um, Blacks don't like him. Biden is being bolstered there by Blacks. --- Xbox Live User Name - Corrik Currently playing: Spider-Man (PS4), Quantum Break (X1) <cite>Corrik7 posted [p:934131856] in Politics C... [t:78387079]...</cite> <quote>HeroDelTiempo17 posted... </cite> <quote>I mean he'd do better unless you think voters would avoid him entirely</quote>Um, Blacks don't like him. Biden is being bolstered there by Blacks. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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